Imidacloprid

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#22 Nov 11, 2010
Imidacloprid is sold by Bayer under many different names, called Gaucho in France

From the Wikipedia article on Imidacloprid:

Kohinor, Admire, Advantage(Advocate), Gaucho, Mallet, Merit, Nuprid, Prothor, Turfthor, Confidor, Hachikusan, Premise, Prothor, Provado and Winner. It is marketed as pest control, seed treatment, an insecticide spray, termite control, flea control, and a systemic insecticide.

Studies on rats indicate that the thyroid is the organ most affected by imidacloprid. Thyroid lesions occurred in male rats at a Lowest Observed Adverse Effect Level of 16.9 mg/kg/day[2]

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#24 Nov 11, 2010
Look up in google, imidacloprid+poisoning

There have been many cases in India where people used this to poison themselves and commit suicide.

ALso look up imidacloprid and toxicity

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#26 Nov 12, 2010
See advantix red or blue for large dogs, 4 month supply that is 4 pipettes, tubes for 60 dollars at amazon.

Use at your own discretion, advantix has 10% imidacloprid and permethrin

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#27 Nov 13, 2010
See the article of research conducted in Britain--"Susceptibility of British head lice, Pediculus capitis to imidacloprid and fipronil" by A.M.R. Downs and K.A. Stafford which appeared in the medical journal
Medical and Veterinary Entomology (2000)Issue #14, pgs 105-107.

Now this was the year 2000, they conducted tests, research on SCHOOL CHILDREN using imidacloprid and fipronil.

Fipronil is in Frontline Plus which has fipronil and s-methoprene--S-methoprene is a mite growth regulator.

All the mites that were subjected to this could not grow beyond the juvenile stage. They died after reached this stage.

ANYWAYS CAVEATS FROM THE RESEARCH ARTICLE STATED--

1. Head lice had 82% PERMETHRIN resistance in urban centers ie. cities in the UK.

2. Thus, new frontline medications are to be tried and used. They picked the two best, imidacloprid and fipronil.

States that both in the lab killed 100% after 3 days. But if you were lindane resistant, they go with imidacloprid.

3.Some of the school children who were lindane resistant were also resistant to fipronil but that is a small percentage.

4. Fipronil is also more dangerous than Imidacloprid, it gets broken down into a by product of fipronil called desulfinylfipronil which is 10x times more toxic than fipronil.

However, fipronil has low low toxicity so, 10x more is still low.

5. Article left out this fact-- at the time in 2000, they did not know how to administer imidacloprid vs fipronil

Imidacloprid works rapidly and one can shower after 24 hours or so, left to your discretion.

Fipronil--after more research shows that to kill mites and not just fleas, you must leave it on for 72 hours no showering.

Thus schoolchildren--they probably all took a bath after one day or so-- this part I am guessing, I don't really know, it is left unstated in the article.

Caveat emptor--any errors are unintentional-- don't not either use or not use based on my review, my review is simply a good faith attempt to help people who are suffering horribly under this hell and then the lies of the scabicide manufacturers epecially in the countries which they lie and manufacture Hollywood type of results.

Use any of the info at your own discretion. Get the article online for about $20 usd.

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#28 Nov 13, 2010
Now,

I bought Frontline Plus which has fipronil and s-methoprene.

I am receiving soon the Advocate/advantage/Advantix--a ll made by Bayer. But Frontline is cheaper,$30 per application for large dogs.

Advantix is the same as Advocate/Advantage except it has permethrin with imidacloprid whereas the last two have imidacloprid and some type of avermectin or ivermectin or something like this.

I have tried everything under the sun, was using sulfur. I have done sulfur now for 30 days, it burned the hell out of my feet where most of the infection was.

I got tired of going to work and at the end of the day barely able to contain my anxiety from this livingg hell. I thought that well, sulfur did work, I was at about 80%-90% cured and I need minimum 20 days more with an extra 30 more days after that just to be sure.

So when I read TSD's column, I thought "What the hell, this is a much much better alternative! This guy writes about it as if it were a silver bullet for the werewolf."

Now I am not lindane resistant, it just never got rid of all of them for me, but lindane did get rid of all the mites on my head more or less.

I did Iver, Perm, BB, Lindane, everything under the sun, sulfur soap. The only thing(s) that reasonably worked were lindane-- which is much more dangerous than fipronil or imidacloprid and sulfur soap.

But I used sulfur ( precipitated) with peroxide, it burned but worked much more effectively than sulfur and lotion and or alcohol.

So in 10-12 days I will use Frontline again. i have had it on for 2 hours now, they is alot of buzzing in my feet, it makes the mites hyperactive before they die.

Then the S-methoprene causes any of them that didn't die to die within a certain time period.

Look up s-methoprene and fipronil in wikipedia if you like.

ONE LAST THING-- my doctor took a look at this post from TSD, he said that if TSD's flesh was turning black and blue from the mite's dying, TSD probably had in the millions of mites or hundreds of thousands, in order to have partial necrosis of the flesh.

It's just that he is not 70 years old with a failing immunity system, so those areas did not turn into Norwegian scabs.

That is pretty scary. Also, some people if you look on the forums for Frontline and ADvantage/Advocate/Advantix--a ll three from Bayer, they have dogs which are resistant to one ( let's say Advantage ), so they have to switch to Frontline.

I suggest nothing, you the reader are to read and judge for yourself. All the information in this post are merely opinions of an amateur and non-medical person.

Use your own discretion. However, the idea is simply, if you are nearing that hell of "What do I do now, nothing is working?" and imidacloprid/Advantage does not work, then you can still try the other.

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#29 Nov 13, 2010
Finally in the research done in Britain on the school children,--"Susceptibilit y of British head lice, Pediculus capitis to imidacloprid and fipronil" by A.M.R. Downs and K.A. Stafford which appeared in the medical journal
Medical and Veterinary Entomology (2000)Issue #14, pgs 105-107.

They used 20% imidacloprid. TSD used a different percentage.

Caveat emptor
Angel

Dalian, China

#31 Nov 14, 2010
RK in the house wrote:
Look up in google, imidacloprid+poisoning
There have been many cases in India where people used this to poison themselves and commit suicide.
ALso look up imidacloprid and toxicity
TSD said:"DO NOT USE AGRICULTURAL IMID. The "inert" ingredients are highly toxic to mammals - more toxic than the actual insecticide."

I question is if the product used in India for suicide is agricultural grade IMID. The Agricultural IMID is very inexpensive and widely available in many developing country, but it is not the case for the animal grade IMID products, most people in these countries have no access to this product.
Angel

Dalian, China

#32 Nov 14, 2010
I did a round of Advantage (10%IMID, blue for extra-large dogs) treatments several months ago. It worked,but did not cured.

Then I began to try Advantix(8.8%IMID+44% Permethrin), I did a 6-week treatment,used it weekly. It works much better than Advange. Now It has been one and a half month since I stopped the treatment. Now I'm waiting to see the outcome of this treatment. I will post again when I'm sure if I'm cured or not.

I ordered my Advantage/-tix from Australia website. It is manufactured by Bayer Australia company. It seems the Austalian version Advan- are priced lower than their American counterparts.

The Advantix I used is blue for extra-large dogs. It comes in 4g-size pipette. I did the treatment weekly and every time consumed 3 pipettes. This product is designed for spot-on treatment for dogs. According to the directives, administering it on 2-3 spots on the back of the dog secures the whole body being protected against lice, tick, etc.. I don't know the rationale that how it works. I doubt spot-treat does not work for us for scabies treatment, so I applied it whole body like the regular human grade topical scabicide. The dosage is supposed to be based on the body weight, but when I was figuring my dosage, my first consideration is how much it is sufficient to cover the whole body, so I came up with 3 4g as my dosage, which is a bit much for my body weight (54 KG)

I did not get apparent side-effect from the Advantage and Advantix treatments, except a little bit very slight small muscle twitch.
Just Anyone

Central District, Hong Kong

#33 Nov 14, 2010
Angel,

Can you tell us though do you have any more bites or is it all over now ( at least for the present time being )?

If you did not feel you were cured, why did you stop treatment?

All presence of mites for now have disappeared, is that correct? Teh itching, the bites, crawling, crawling in the eyes, in the nose? Is that all gone?
Just Anyone

Central District, Hong Kong

#34 Nov 14, 2010
TSD if you are still out there, can you tell us if you are still cured? Did any of the nodules pop up again?

Angel, where did you buy the Advantix and Advantage? Advantage has avermectin right? and ADvantix has permethrin?

Was there really that much difference?

Just Anyone
Cocaine Mite

Netherlands

#35 Nov 14, 2010
Black spots and bacterial infections?

Zhu has treated several patients with life-threatening infections, some needing breathing tubes and intensive care. "It's quite sad every time they use [cocaine], it happens. They wind up in the hospital for several weeks and almost die. But as soon as they go home and back into that environment, the cycle begins again."

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,859...

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,859...
Ruin

Bettendorf, IA

#36 Nov 14, 2010
I did try this. It did not cure me, but it did make them mad as hell. I think this would work for scabies and some other nasties. My mites are environmental. I have spent over a year battling these monsters. After moving and continual vacuuming I have almost found peace. Vacuum, vacuum, vacuum... I bought a Roomba and a Scooba (floor washing robot). I love them both. I can have them clean the floors in other rooms while I dust and do laundry.
Angel

Shenyang, China

#38 Nov 15, 2010
Just Anyone wrote:
Angel,
Can you tell us though do you have any more bites or is it all over now ( at least for the present time being )?
If you did not feel you were cured, why did you stop treatment?
All presence of mites for now have disappeared, is that correct? Teh itching, the bites, crawling, crawling in the eyes, in the nose? Is that all gone?
Just Anyone wrote:
Angel,
Can you tell us though do you have any more bites or is it all over now ( at least for the present time being )?
If you did not feel you were cured, why did you stop treatment?
All presence of mites for now have disappeared, is that correct? Teh itching, the bites, crawling, crawling in the eyes, in the nose? Is that all gone?
Just Anyone,

It seems I have not got new bites after the treatment,can not be 100% sure,because if you have been suffered scabies for a long time, the skin situation is quite complicated.

I still have the symptons. The scabies symptons are caused by the existance and the activities of the mites under our skin. The mite is very tiny and it is invisible for us. We can only diagnose the situation by the symptons. But the live mites and the dead mites cause the same symtons, that is why even after a successful treatment that all the mites are killed the symptoms do not disapear immediately, because the dead mites body and their fecal are still under our skin. One of the hardest thing for scabies treatment is we can not tell if the symtoms are caused by live mites or dead mites, so we do not know when to stop the treatment, we have to make the decision at our own discretion.

It seems I have got some improvement in my symptoms, but I still need more time tell if I'm cured.
Just Anyone

San Po Kong, Hong Kong

#39 Nov 15, 2010
Angel,

If you like you can click on my profile, see above, RK in the house

Give me your email and I can send more information

By the way, I want to point out that TSD and RUIn used Advantage/Advantix with Imidacloprid.

In the "British head lice..." article, it stated that 30 of 50 head lice were killed with 10% imidacloprid, so they decided to use 20% in their study. 30 of 50 lice killed in the lab, in vitro.

W Fipronil, 50 of 53 head lice were killed with 12 percent fipronil. IN the dog mange medication Frontline, they use 10% fipronil.

This could explain why Ruin did not have success with imidacloprid. Remember how TSD kept high levels of Ivermectin in his blood by taking it every other day...?

Caveat emptor, this in no way is to be tried except by me. One makes one's own decisions and takes one's own risks.
Solution

Mount Morris, MI

#40 Nov 15, 2010
TSD wrote:
I used the standard, however the vet studies I read used the multi, which is the formulation usually used for felines. I tried the standard out of curiousity - really as a test - and found that it works. The reason that I chose it was that it was available in quantities for larger dogs over the counter. Cats tend to be smaller.
It is systemic as well as topical, so I concentrated it on the areas of most severe infection, but also knowing it would be absorbed and become systemic. Areas opened up to shed mites which I did not even know were infected.
I appear to be free of the infection with sites healing. However, I am going to use it one more time tomorrow, which makes a total of

six treatments in six weeks now. I just want to be sure that I am rid of this crap. It i

s very

persistent.
hi. I have it un my fa mce nose and scalp. also eyes. do u think it will help? cancer. star much more! Thanks .
Just Anyone

Central District, Hong Kong

#41 Nov 15, 2010
Angel,

When you did the six weeks, did you use Advantix only or did you do topicals such as BB, Perm, Sulfur every day that you didn't put on the aDvantix?

Also, when you put on the advantix, did you use anything else, any other drug or topical at the same time or if not at the same exact time, concurrently?

Just Anyone
Helping you

Hemet, CA

#43 Nov 15, 2010
Someone on another threat suggested using electricity to zap the creatures......I wonder if that will work.
Angel

Shenyang, China

#45 Nov 16, 2010
By the way, recently, I found Advantix is avaible in Chinese mailand(Bayer sells the UK version Advantix in China), So I think it must be avaible in Hongkong too. You can go to Bayer's website to contact the Bayer animal care for the information where you can get the Advantix in Hongkong.
Angel

Shenyang, China

#46 Nov 16, 2010
Just Anyone wrote:
Angel,
If you like you can click on my profile, see above, RK in the house
Give me your email and I can send more information
By the way, I want to point out that TSD and RUIn used Advantage/Advantix with Imidacloprid.
In the "British head lice..." article, it stated that 30 of 50 head lice were killed with 10% imidacloprid, so they decided to use 20% in their study. 30 of 50 lice killed in the lab, in vitro.
W Fipronil, 50 of 53 head lice were killed with 12 percent fipronil. IN the dog mange medication Frontline, they use 10% fipronil.
This could explain why Ruin did not have success with imidacloprid. Remember how TSD kept high levels of Ivermectin in his blood by taking it every other day...?
Caveat emptor, this in no way is to be tried except by me. One makes one's own decisions and takes one's own risks.
I need to sign up to the Topix community then I can send you message. But I failed the sign up for several times, I will keep trying.

What TSD used is Advantage-standard, he/she did not use Advantix. It seems that Ruin did not make it very clear that what he/she used is Advantage or Advantix.

In TSD's case, although TSD kept high levels of Ivermectin in his blood by taking it .... I think the key contributor for the cure is IMID, not Ivermectin, because the great difference was made only after his IMID treatment
Angel

Shenyang, China

#47 Nov 16, 2010
Just Anyone wrote:
Angel,
When you did the six weeks, did you use Advantix only or did you do topicals such as BB, Perm, Sulfur every day that you didn't put on the aDvantix?
Also, when you put on the advantix, did you use anything else, any other drug or topical at the same time or if not at the same exact time, concurrently?
Just Anyone
I did not use anything else during/before/after the Advantix treatment. 1.5 month before the Advantix I did the Advantage.

Now I'm not using any scabicide, just waiting to see the outcome, I do not want to confuse the situation.

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