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Wanders

United States

#1 Dec 27, 2008
My boyfriend which was really abusive gave me scabies, we shared the tube of Permethrin 5% the first day, spot treated the second day... he was covered in bites on his back... so it just freaked me out and I told him to leave the 3rd day, we had prolly been dating for about 2 months off an on. He told me , he had got them 3 times before... but I just wander if he had ever gotten rid of them. So I used the Nix cream rinse all over my body for the 4th , 5th, and 6th days... I kept these treatments on for at least 24 hours a day before bathing in very hot water and reapplying. Then I ordered the FREEDOM SPOT-ON 45 which is Permethrin 45% , I added just a little bit of baby oil to make it easier to put on the skin. And I put it on for 2 days, skipped a few days, put it one again... and after that put it on about once a week. I keep spraying the house with the Nix Linen Spray... and washing the linens in hot water, and drying the on very hot for about 45min or so just to make sure. I know the Freedom Spot On 45 is suppose not be for humans, but its 9 times stronger than what the doctor prescribed and I just want these things gone. Im dating a new guy, and I am terrified I still might have them and may give them to him. The Freedom 45 doesnt bother me... it doesnt irritate my skin.... other than my face , which I try not to get too much on the face after the first few treatments. Im not really itching at all, but I noticed tonight that I had what seemed to look like new bumps on my bicep. So I'm about to reapply... I have 3 dogs which I really have been trying to avoid contact with... I bath them in a thick flea shampoo bath once a week just to make sure. Any advice would be great... how do I know if I still have these, I know you can itch weeks after the treatment, but the rash like small patch on my arm has me worried.
Wanders

United States

#2 Dec 27, 2008
Ive also been taking very hot baths with about a half gal. of bleach added to the water for 30min at a time. I was thinking I could start adding a bag of shock it (chlorine) to the baths instead.... I just now thought of that, like between the Freedom Spot On 45 treatments....
Wanders

United States

#3 Dec 27, 2008
Oh I forgot to add: After a few treatments on my face with the Freedom 45, I had gotten this tingling burn the next morning... so when I cover my body with the 45, I usually just take the Nix cream rinse and use that to cover my face as a precaution. I have even sprayed the Rid Linen Spray on my body several times a day over top of the 45 just for a little extra defense... Now Ive noticed that my dogs do not scratch in the least, but I still continue with the Flea Baths and try to avoid contact with them as much as possible... I think Im gonna order some tea tree oil online from Puritans Pride just as a precaution since Ive read that several people have tried that. Ive also heard that vinegar can help... but Im not too for sure about walking around smelling like a pickle all day... I bought 6 boxes of the Family sized Nix Cream Rinse and 5 Cans of Rid Linen Spray... Im down to one bottle of cream rinse and 1 can of spray, Im wandering if I should buy more... it only has 1% perm in it... but I would imagine during the none treatment days that it might help with the transfer of any new ones from the eggs... but then again Im not even for sure I still have them... but with the few bumps on my arms Im thinking maybe the eggs did hatch... I just dont know... Im terrified of giving this to someone, I told my best friend about it which she had been staying with me for the last few months, but she has had no itching whatsoever, but she put the 45% treatment on a few times just to make sure.
Scabies3

Deerfield Beach, FL

#4 Dec 27, 2008
you and your dogs are ping ponging the mites back and forth. Be careful with the permethrin. we are supposed to be using the 5% Elimite Cream, and I think it has a PBO in it, which is what helps the permethrin work better (others on here know more about it than I do, so maybe they can chime in here about that PBO stuff). That tingling feeling is not a good thing. Permethrin is a neuro toxin. You should dilute it down to 10% or 5%. I know one poster on here who was using straight 10% permethrin on her head and it wasn't killing the mites, i think because that permethrin didn't have a PBO in it. I think she switched to benzyl benzoate and ivermectin. Ivermectin works great for yourself and your dogs. There is a search box on here, so you can search for ivermectin and read up on it. You will probably come up with more than 10 threads on ivermectin. Definitely the 1% will NOT WORK ON THESE MITES. There are other meds you can use and order. You can use sublimed sulfur, mixed with vaseline or lotion. Eurax. Malathion Lotion. Lindane (careful). Benzyl Benzoate lotion.
Wanders

United States

#5 Dec 27, 2008
So Ive read and read about the dogs vs humans scabies... is it true that you can get it from you dogs but they are unable to reproduce on humans and usually die within 10 days, and Ive also read on medical sites that human scabies can get on you dogs but also cant reproduce and die off within 2 week? Does anyone know if this is true... so if I have no physical contact with my dogs for like 2 weeks, maybe other than just long enough to give them baths with gloves on, then they will no longer have them? sigh, Im getting really depressed over this, I feel like rubbing bleach all over my body or spraying lysol on myself.
Welty

AOL

#6 Dec 28, 2008
If you got these from your boyfriend, you don't have to worry excessively about getting it from your dogs. You do want to avoid giving them the mites, so hands off, kiss them instead. Yes, sarcoptic mites do cross species lines, but it usually takes a while, months to longer. If you dog had mange first, then I'd worry more about them. The flea baths are good insurance. Watch the clorox baths. You can get excema and it will make it easier for the mites to find hiding places on your skin. Please do not give them to that new boyfriend!!! Do not sleep with someone -believe me, they will break up with you in about a month, and will hate you. Do not! Do not even hold hands, a prime way to transmit this. Wait.
Sam

El Dorado Hills, CA

#7 Dec 29, 2008
Wanders, seriously listen to Scabies3 advice. You are doing more harm than good to yourself. It might not show up now, but later you will regret what you are doing to your skin, body, respiratory, and central nervous system.

Stop everything and just use a mild lotion for 3-4 weeks. If you still get bumps go back to your doctor.
scared

Easthampton, MA

#8 Dec 29, 2008
wander have you tried the sulfur in between your treatments? That might be better for you than what you are doing...
Wanders

United States

#9 Dec 29, 2008
Yea your right, after the first few times of doing that I look like I got sunburn with this reddish look to the skin which dont feel too good. Ive started just taking hot baths with baby oil... to try and restore the moisture I lost from the bleach, I hope in a few days things will go back to normal. Im also taking the antibiotic Avelox which I thought would be good to take a treatment of since Im diabetic, it might help my skin, but it won't hurt. In a few days, Im just gonna go back to doc after I feel better and get Iver and Perm 5% and do this the right way... no more of the at home potion making for me. Though I have thought of adding vinegar to my bath, I dont think that would have any negative effects on my skin, and of course use lots of lotion. I havnt tried the sulfir ointment which 10% sulfur I think... but I think it would be a good idea to use that in between the 5 days off Perm, then back on again... I'd think that would make a big difference. So can you get it from Warl Mart? I havnt looked yet... I was hoping they would have the soap as well... from what I hear it has no side effects and doesnt damage you skin.
scared

Easthampton, MA

#10 Dec 29, 2008
Wanders wrote:
Yea your right, after the first few times of doing that I look like I got sunburn with this reddish look to the skin which dont feel too good. Ive started just taking hot baths with baby oil... to try and restore the moisture I lost from the bleach, I hope in a few days things will go back to normal. Im also taking the antibiotic Avelox which I thought would be good to take a treatment of since Im diabetic, it might help my skin, but it won't hurt. In a few days, Im just gonna go back to doc after I feel better and get Iver and Perm 5% and do this the right way... no more of the at home potion making for me. Though I have thought of adding vinegar to my bath, I dont think that would have any negative effects on my skin, and of course use lots of lotion. I havnt tried the sulfir ointment which 10% sulfur I think... but I think it would be a good idea to use that in between the 5 days off Perm, then back on again... I'd think that would make a big difference. So can you get it from Warl Mart? I havnt looked yet... I was hoping they would have the soap as well... from what I hear it has no side effects and doesnt damage you skin.
I ordered Sulfur Soap and sulfur online...I don't think you can get it at walmart... I got my stuff from sulfursoap.com ..someone on this site recommended it...
Scabies3

Deerfield Beach, FL

#11 Dec 29, 2008
Wanders wrote:
Yea your right, after the first few times of doing that I look like I got sunburn with this reddish look to the skin which dont feel too good. Ive started just taking hot baths with baby oil... to try and restore the moisture I lost from the bleach, I hope in a few days things will go back to normal. Im also taking the antibiotic Avelox which I thought would be good to take a treatment of since Im diabetic, it might help my skin, but it won't hurt. In a few days, Im just gonna go back to doc after I feel better and get Iver and Perm 5% and do this the right way... no more of the at home potion making for me. Though I have thought of adding vinegar to my bath, I dont think that would have any negative effects on my skin, and of course use lots of lotion. I havnt tried the sulfir ointment which 10% sulfur I think... but I think it would be a good idea to use that in between the 5 days off Perm, then back on again... I'd think that would make a big difference. So can you get it from Warl Mart? I havnt looked yet... I was hoping they would have the soap as well... from what I hear it has no side effects and doesnt damage you skin.
you can buy sublimed powder sulfur and mix that with vaseline. 10%-20% sulfur to 90%-80% vaseline; or mix the sulfur with lotion. you can buy the powder from americarx dot com.
Sam

El Dorado Hills, CA

#12 Dec 29, 2008
Wanders, thank you. We can go nuts trying to get rid of this. Skip any sulfur or vinegar (acidic) or anything but quick showers and lotions. Good luck, I think you've got it beat. Try to get your skin back to normal.
Jordan

Cardington, OH

#13 Mar 6, 2009
Wanders wrote:
Yea your right, after the first few times of doing that I look like I got sunburn with this reddish look to the skin which dont feel too good. Ive started just taking hot baths with baby oil... to try and restore the moisture I lost from the bleach, I hope in a few days things will go back to normal. Im also taking the antibiotic Avelox which I thought would be good to take a treatment of since Im diabetic, it might help my skin, but it won't hurt. In a few days, Im just gonna go back to doc after I feel better and get Iver and Perm 5% and do this the right way... no more of the at home potion making for me. Though I have thought of adding vinegar to my bath, I dont think that would have any negative effects on my skin, and of course use lots of lotion. I havnt tried the sulfir ointment which 10% sulfur I think... but I think it would be a good idea to use that in between the 5 days off Perm, then back on again... I'd think that would make a big difference. So can you get it from Warl Mart? I havnt looked yet... I was hoping they would have the soap as well... from what I hear it has no side effects and doesnt damage you skin.
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Ok how can we believe what you say about the freedom 45... u said in the last post u had to stop cuz it made u sick and now you just said it doesnt iritate your skin? you make no sense im on freedom 45 right now, ive only been on it for 12 hours and all my bumps dried up!... you might of diluted it too much with the baby oil... its 45% but if you used a whole bottle of baby oil that would be like 5% permetherin if even that... you also said u bought the stuff for horses... get the dog stuff not the xl and mix it with plant sulfer dust.... that mixture like michelle posts really works!!! also u can mix the permetherin with water and spray it all over... along with lysol and bleach diluted mix... i also bought plastic matress coverss... im Set just some suggestions please dont get offended...
Jordan

Cardington, OH

#14 Apr 16, 2009
Scabies3 wrote:
you and your dogs are ping ponging the mites back and forth. Be careful with the permethrin. we are supposed to be using the 5% Elimite Cream, and I think it has a PBO in it, which is what helps the permethrin work better (others on here know more about it than I do, so maybe they can chime in here about that PBO stuff). That tingling feeling is not a good thing. Permethrin is a neuro toxin. You should dilute it down to 10% or 5%. I know one poster on here who was using straight 10% permethrin on her head and it wasn't killing the mites, i think because that permethrin didn't have a PBO in it. I think she switched to benzyl benzoate and ivermectin. Ivermectin works great for yourself and your dogs. There is a search box on here, so you can search for ivermectin and read up on it. You will probably come up with more than 10 threads on ivermectin. Definitely the 1% will NOT WORK ON THESE MITES. There are other meds you can use and order. You can use sublimed sulfur, mixed with vaseline or lotion. Eurax. Malathion Lotion. Lindane (careful). Benzyl Benzoate lotion.
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pbo is a scientific abbreviation for lead... i dont think they put lead in permetherin cream sorry
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#15 Apr 17, 2009
Jordan wrote:
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pbo is a scientific abbreviation for lead... i dont think they put lead in permetherin cream sorry
Oh Jordan. How are you, buddy?

Piperonyl butoxide (PBO) is a pesticide synergist. It does not, by itself have pesticidal properties. However, when added to insecticide mixtures, typically pyrethrin, pyrethroid, and carbamate insecticides, their potency is increased considerably.[1]

Piperonyl butoxide is a potent cytochrome P450 inhibitor. This family of enzymes act as the principal detoxification pathway for many pesticides. Inhibiting the detoxification pathway allows higher unmetabolised systemic concentrations of the active insecticide to remain within the target animal for a longer period.

Piperonyl butoxide is moderately stable, and is a semisynthetic derivative of safrole.

It is debatable whether the substance is oncogenic, mutagenic, or teratogenic in humans. Its acute oral and dermal toxicity in mammals is low, however it is toxic to fish and potentiates rotenone.[2]

SORRY!!!
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#16 Apr 17, 2009
It looks as though Elimite does not contain a pbo. I am not sure.

ELIMITE®(permethrin) 5% Cream is a topical scabicidal agent for the treatment of infestation with Sarcoptes scabiei (scabies). It is available in an off-white, vanishing cream base. ELIMITE® Cream is for topical use only.

Chemical Name: The permethrin used is an approximate 1:3 mixture of the cis and trans isomers of the pyrethroid 3-(2,2-dichloroethenyl)-2,2-di methylcyclopropanecarboxylic acid,(3-phenoxyphenyl) methyl ester. Permethrin has a molecular formula of C 21 H 20 Cl 2 O 3 and a molecular weight of 391.29. It is a yellow to light orange-brown, low melt-ing solid or viscous liquid.

Active Ingredient: Each gram contains permethrin 50 mg (5%).

Inactive Ingredients: Butylated hydroxytoluene, carbomer 934P, fractionated coconut oil, glycerin, glyceryl monostearate, isopropyl myristate, lanolin alcohols, mineral oil, polyoxyethylene cetyl ethers, purified water, and sodium hydroxide. Formaldehyde 1 mg (0.1%) is added as a preservative.

Last updated on RxList: 12/8/2004
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#17 Apr 17, 2009
It appears that Freedom spot on 45 contains a pbo.

http://pest.ca.uky.edu/EXT/Recs/ENT513-Horses...

INSECT CONTROL FOR HORSES, HORSE BARNS AND STABLES - 2009 Entfact-513
Prepared by Lee Townsend, Extension Entomologist
Several species of nuisance and blood-feeding flies, lice, and ticks attack horses from spring through fall.
Key pests can vary regionally and are greatly affected by seasonal weather. In many cases, the breeding sites or
sources cannot be managed so efforts must be directed at protecting the animals. A wide range of products are
available but most contain only one or two common active ingredients. This publication provides representative
types of products and points to consider in selecting control measures.
While there seems to be a bewildering array of products, the list of active ingredients on each label will
allow you to sort through them and look for similarities and differences. This information appears in a box below
the brand name and includes the common name of the active ingredients (a.i.) and its % concentration. Each
insecticide active ingredient has a common name (e.g. pyrethrins) that will let you recognize exactly what the
product contains. Most have one or more of 3 main active ingredients. Often, additives are included to extend the
length of protection or to provide some other feature to set the product apart from competitors.
The most common active ingredients in products labeled for pest control on horses are pyrethrins and
pyrethroids. Pyrethrins are chemicals with insecticidal properties that are extracted from the flowers of some
species of Chrysanthemum. Pyrethrins provide very quick knockdown of insect pests and are safe for use on
animals. Piperonyl butoxide is a synergist that is included in products to increase effectiveness; however, pyrethrins
are broken down by sunlight so the residual protection lasts for only a few hours. The pyrethroids cypermethrin,
permethrin, and resmethrin are synthetic forms based on natural pyrethrins. They are more stable than pyrethrins so
protection from an application typically lasts for several days. Pyrethrins and pyrethroids work against a wide range
of horse pests from flies and gnats to ticks and lice. They affect the nervous system of these arthropods, sometimes
causing them to leave before they finish feeding.
Representative products in this publication are grouped by application method and listed in increasing
concentration of active ingredient. In general, the higher the concentration of active ingredients in a product, the
longer the protection it affords. Products listed as concentrates must be diluted before use but may provide a more
economical means of pest control in some situations. Check to be sure that the pests you want to control a
Jordan

Cardington, OH

#18 Apr 21, 2009
well i figured out today i never had scabies ive got syphilis with a nasty staph infection. yeay months wasted.
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#19 Apr 21, 2009
Jordan wrote:
well i figured out today i never had scabies ive got syphilis with a nasty staph infection. yeay months wasted.
Wow, I'm sorry about that, Jordan. Are you absolutely sure scabies was not involved here? Get well.
Jordan

Cardington, OH

#20 Apr 21, 2009
its a possibility but staff scabies and secondary sypilis rashes look similar. its alright im on meds its clearing up and im waiting on my test results

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