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Could it be something other than Scabies?

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Scared_to_death

Fort Rucker, AL

#1 Jun 18, 2012
I have seen where some people claim the have used various topical remedies and then have been able to "see" the critters coming out of their skin. From all I have read online, Scabie Mites are too small to see with naked eye. Have yall been using a magnifying glass? Could it be some other parasite? And one other Question, After using permethrin properly (two treatments and cloth, bedding washed, for everyone in household, etc.) are you being re-infested, not doing proper complete treatment, or could these critters have evolved into a superbug that is resistant to conventional treatment? Not saying anyone hasn't tried their best to rid themselves of this, but there has to be something in the course of treatment/ongoing preventative maintenance that one is not completing in order for the infestation to continue.
GeorgeTex

San Francisco, CA

#2 Jun 18, 2012
I've been wondering about the exact thing. I've seen people mention seeing them with the naked eye. That's not possible is it? Unless you're gifted with superhero eyesight. It's got to be something else or (and I feel bad for saying this but..) they are delusional.
FRED

Denver, CO

#3 Jun 18, 2012
Scared_to_death wrote:
I have seen where some people claim the have used various topical remedies and then have been able to "see" the critters coming out of their skin. From all I have read online, Scabie Mites are too small to see with naked eye. Have yall been using a magnifying glass? Could it be some other parasite? And one other Question, After using permethrin properly (two treatments and cloth, bedding washed, for everyone in household, etc.) are you being re-infested, not doing proper complete treatment, or could these critters have evolved into a superbug that is resistant to conventional treatment? Not saying anyone hasn't tried their best to rid themselves of this, but there has to be something in the course of treatment/ongoing preventative maintenance that one is not completing in order for the infestation to continue.
It depends where they are in the life cycle. The nymphs are microscopic while the full grown mites are visible although extremely small. Yes they have evolved, the very nature of this mite is to adapt for survival. They have mutated genes that make them resistant to insecticides and enzymes that allow them to metabolize poisons.
GeorgeTex wrote:
I've been wondering about the exact thing. I've seen people mention seeing them with the naked eye. That's not possible is it? Unless you're gifted with superhero eyesight. It's got to be something else or (and I feel bad for saying this but..) they are delusional.
You should feel bad about it because not only do you not have any knowledge to base your assertion on which is way off base , it is insulting to the people on this forum. My suggestion is that you educate yourself before forming an opinion.
GeorgeTex

San Francisco, CA

#4 Jun 18, 2012
I've also read posts on here of people saying they feel them biting. Those little pin prick sensations are not the bugs biting, it's the skin's allergic reaction. If you get hives from a food allergy or a fragrance etc. you will have the exact same sensation along with the creepy crawlies and no bugs are present.

I think sometimes people can make themselves a little nuts and their condition worse by reading all these horror stories. I think some would feel a lot better about their situation if they weren't thinking every little sensation from their skin is bugs all over them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they won't still itch like mad.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#5 Jun 18, 2012
GeorgeTex wrote:
I've also read posts on here of people saying they feel them biting. Those little pin prick sensations are not the bugs biting, it's the skin's allergic reaction. If you get hives from a food allergy or a fragrance etc. you will have the exact same sensation along with the creepy crawlies and no bugs are present.
I think sometimes people can make themselves a little nuts and their condition worse by reading all these horror stories. I think some would feel a lot better about their situation if they weren't thinking every little sensation from their skin is bugs all over them.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they won't still itch like mad.
Funny you say that, because I was just thinking about that. I've had pin prick sensations yet no burrows found, and no itching at all (apart from the pin pricks itch of course). I'd like to think I'm healed, but just waiting for teh next hatching time. These pin pricks are irregular, they'll appear on places where I haven't had mites ever, like my feet or shin bone. They do seem like allergic reactions, but some might be live mites too if you're unlucky in getting re-infected.
GeorgeTex

San Francisco, CA

#6 Jun 18, 2012
FRED wrote:
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You should feel bad about it because not only do you not have any knowledge to base your assertion on which is way off base , it is insulting to the people on this forum. My suggestion is that you educate yourself before forming an opinion.
I've read so many scientific articles on scabies that my brain is numb. If you can link me to an article that states they can be seen (the scabies mite) crawling out of the skin with the naked eye, I will gladly admit that I was wrong.
mojo karma cookie

Anaheim, CA

#7 Jun 18, 2012
Scared_to_death wrote:
I have seen where some people claim the have used various topical remedies and then have been able to "see" the critters coming out of their skin. From all I have read online, Scabie Mites are too small to see with naked eye. Have yall been using a magnifying glass? Could it be some other parasite? And one other Question, After using permethrin properly (two treatments and cloth, bedding washed, for everyone in household, etc.) are you being re-infested, not doing proper complete treatment, or could these critters have evolved into a superbug that is resistant to conventional treatment? Not saying anyone hasn't tried their best to rid themselves of this, but there has to be something in the course of treatment/ongoing preventative maintenance that one is not completing in order for the infestation to continue.
i've been wondering the same thing. there is a difference between a miracle cure and commonsense.
FRED

Denver, CO

#8 Jun 18, 2012
GeorgeTex wrote:
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I've read so many scientific articles on scabies that my brain is numb. If you can link me to an article that states they can be seen (the scabies mite) crawling out of the skin with the naked eye, I will gladly admit that I was wrong.
http://medent.usyd.edu.au/fact/scabies.html

"These oval, straw coloured mites are very small, measuring 0.2-0.4mm in length."

To put that in context a mm is .03937 of an inch. A human hair is about .003 of an inch so a mm is the same distance across as 13 human hairs. A mite at .4 mm long would have the same length as 5 human hair widths and you can see 1 human hair.

And yes depending on what you are treating with they will come out of your skin. Try rubbing some extra strength ben gay in the webs of your fingers then look at that area with an eye loupe in about 10 minutes.
FRED

Denver, CO

#9 Jun 18, 2012
mojo karma cookie wrote:
<quoted text>i've been wondering the same thing. there is a difference between a miracle cure and commonsense.
Fire was a miracle when people lived in caves.
GeorgeTex

San Francisco, CA

#10 Jun 18, 2012
FRED wrote:
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http://medent.usyd.edu.au/fact/scabies.html
"These oval, straw coloured mites are very small, measuring 0.2-0.4mm in length."
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Thank you for the article. I have never read them described as straw colored before. Interesting that people report seeing dark (black) specks when they are seeing the bugs crawl out of their skin. Not straw colored. Could these not be a different kind of mite they are seeing?

I think I would prefer never to actually see them.
FRED

Denver, CO

#11 Jun 18, 2012
GeorgeTex wrote:
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Thank you for the article. I have never read them described as straw colored before. Interesting that people report seeing dark (black) specks when they are seeing the bugs crawl out of their skin. Not straw colored. Could these not be a different kind of mite they are seeing?
I think I would prefer never to actually see them.
I believe the black ones are dead. If your looking for good info on mites look at the entomology sites.
GeorgeTex

San Francisco, CA

#12 Jun 18, 2012
FRED wrote:
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I believe the black ones are dead. If your looking for good info on mites look at the entomology sites.
But dead mites would not be crawling out of ones skin.

I swear I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass here. I'm just trying to understand and some of what I've read on here doesn't mesh with what I've read in scientific articles.

There are certain things such as seeing them with the naked eye, having them on face and scalp, feeling them crawling or biting etc. that goes against what I've read. I will certainly seek out more entomology articles.
Scared_to_death_ even_more

Fort Rucker, AL

#13 Jun 18, 2012
Wow! I have learned quite a bit today on this forum. Most Scabies can be removed with permethrin regiment and house/clothes cleaning.
BUT...there are also Norwegian (crusty/scaley) scabies that have adpated to live and flourish in the midst of various mitocides.
Some mild cases have been cured with Sulfur as far back as when the Romans would bath in the sulfur springs of Spain. It seems to be helping quite a few people on here today still.
I wonder what percentage of posters on here have been cured with homeopathic therapies (tea tree oil, sulfur, bleach) vs permethrin/oral miticide.
And i have a feeling that most people that have been here long either have the Norwegian Scabies (or some other non-scabie mite/critter) or have a secondary re-infestation source (neighbor, lover, friend) that mistakes it for fleas or mosquitoes. or is in denial (like my daughter to begin with). There may even be a few with delusional parasitosis, god bless their hearts! The perceived problem in their minds, can wreck as much havoc on some one as the actual problem. It is a shame that more GPs aren't better educated on this pandemic, then again... maybe they are and know this is a good "recurring revenue generator" since it isn't perceived to be life threatening.
One would think in this day and age of medicine, no one should have to suffer such tragedy. Thanks everyone for the comments.
manx

Woodland Hills, CA

#14 Jun 18, 2012
FRED wrote:
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I believe the black ones are dead. If your looking for good info on mites look at the entomology sites.
Get a microscope and look at those "black ones" under magnification. Many of us on this forum have done that and they turned out to be fibers, i.e. Morgellons. I found this out when I took about 30 of them into my dermatologist, convinced they were bird mites, and he dismissed them as fibers from my clothes, so I thought nothing of it. Then when I started noticing them coming up immediately after I exited the bath or shower, I bought a magnifying glass instead of taking them into the doctor. Sure enough they were fibers, and they were coming out of my skin. If you're getting those black things out of your skin--they usually turn up during the die-off phase--do yourself a favor and pick up a lighted magnifying glass at an electronic store and inspect what you see. They cost under $10.
need a cure

Brooklyn, NY

#15 Jun 19, 2012
You don't need a microscope to see the larvae or whatever stage it is. I was able to see the rice shaped, translucent to white organisms come out of my skin the following methods 1. rubbing on liquid castille soap in the shower that I mixed with neem oil, clove oil, tea tree oil and opened wormwood capsules 2. African Black Soap 3. Scrubbing with borax in the shower.
FRED

Denver, CO

#16 Jun 19, 2012
Scared_to_death_even_more wrote:
Wow! I have learned quite a bit today on this forum. Most Scabies can be removed with permethrin regiment and house/clothes cleaning.
BUT...there are also Norwegian (crusty/scaley) scabies that have adpated to live and flourish in the midst of various mitocides.
Some mild cases have been cured with Sulfur as far back as when the Romans would bath in the sulfur springs of Spain. It seems to be helping quite a few people on here today still.
I wonder what percentage of posters on here have been cured with homeopathic therapies (tea tree oil, sulfur, bleach) vs permethrin/oral miticide.
And i have a feeling that most people that have been here long either have the Norwegian Scabies (or some other non-scabie mite/critter) or have a secondary re-infestation source (neighbor, lover, friend) that mistakes it for fleas or mosquitoes. or is in denial (like my daughter to begin with). There may even be a few with delusional parasitosis, god bless their hearts! The perceived problem in their minds, can wreck as much havoc on some one as the actual problem. It is a shame that more GPs aren't better educated on this pandemic, then again... maybe they are and know this is a good "recurring revenue generator" since it isn't perceived to be life threatening.
One would think in this day and age of medicine, no one should have to suffer such tragedy. Thanks everyone for the comments.
The statistical chances of someone walking into a dermatologists office with delusional parasitosis is once in seven years. The American Dermatology Academy has a knee jerk response to anyone saying they've treated extensively and are still infected. They call it the matchbox effect and automatically prescribe ORAP which is a dangerous drug that is for delusions and only changes your brain chemistry.

Most of the information on the web is old science, the mites have mutated and adapted so what once worked no longer does. Much in the same way insects adapt to spraying crops.

Here's a little tidbit. The mites have collective intelligence, they communicate with pheromones, when they are threatened as a group they rally as a group.
FRED

Denver, CO

#17 Jun 19, 2012
Scared_to_death_even_more wrote:
Wow! I have learned quite a bit today on this forum. Most Scabies can be removed with permethrin regiment and house/clothes cleaning.
BUT...there are also Norwegian (crusty/scaley) scabies that have adpated to live and flourish in the midst of various mitocides.
Some mild cases have been cured with Sulfur as far back as when the Romans would bath in the sulfur springs of Spain. It seems to be helping quite a few people on here today still.
I wonder what percentage of posters on here have been cured with homeopathic therapies (tea tree oil, sulfur, bleach) vs permethrin/oral miticide.
And i have a feeling that most people that have been here long either have the Norwegian Scabies (or some other non-scabie mite/critter) or have a secondary re-infestation source (neighbor, lover, friend) that mistakes it for fleas or mosquitoes. or is in denial (like my daughter to begin with). There may even be a few with delusional parasitosis, god bless their hearts! The perceived problem in their minds, can wreck as much havoc on some one as the actual problem. It is a shame that more GPs aren't better educated on this pandemic, then again... maybe they are and know this is a good "recurring revenue generator" since it isn't perceived to be life threatening.
One would think in this day and age of medicine, no one should have to suffer such tragedy. Thanks everyone for the comments.
"I wonder what percentage of posters on here have been cured with homeopathic therapies (tea tree oil, sulfur, bleach) vs permethrin/oral miticide."

Tea tree oil, sulfur and bleach have absolutely nothing to do with homeopathy. This is representative of the complete general misunderstanding of the way homeopathy works.

http://www.naturalnews.com/033558_homeopathy_...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dana-ullman/how...

manx

Woodland Hills, CA

#20 Jun 19, 2012
FRED wrote:
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Manx, what are the homeopathic rems for morgellons? I was on one moregellons site and some were using psorinum too. Also the other remedy I've been recommending , Staphysagria, is a great homeopathic remedy for symptoms of heavy metal exposure especially mercury as well as parasites. It is a polycrest and effects all the miasms and it is constitutional for skin parasite symptoms.
http://www.jurj.ro/articole/eng/word/STAPHiSA...
Fred, I've read of some using the psorinum (sp?) and the sulphur and arsenicum. There are a couple of others, but I'd have to look them up. I haven't heard of them using the staphisagria. I have a friend going to Nancy Guberti right now, but they are addressing the systemic issues right now with conventional meds, then moving on to homeopathy. She tested positive for bartonella. I'm curious, too, what sort of homeopathy she's going to put my friend on. But, as you know, homeopathic remedies are usually personalized. Maybe it's not a one size fits all sort of situation. I for one found the arsenicum and sulphur very suitable to me. I plan on going on the psorinum at some point, to address the deeper issues. Also the staphisagria. Can't thank you enough for posting all that great info! Such a great service for all of us who have been battling for so long.
FRED

Denver, CO

#21 Jun 19, 2012
"But, as you know, homeopathic remedies are usually personalized."

Not always, that is the meaning of a constitutional remedy, that it applies when a group of patients show common characteristics.

For example I know from having quite a few dogs that they all have their own doginality, if you will, they are individuals. The foxes are canines and I'm sure express their own set emotions each. The remedies given the foxes are constitutional remedies that address the symptoms of the disease they have in common.

Much like the veterans of this forum who have all gone through a certain if not large amount of suppressing the disease with chemicals and that hasn't worked for them. The weak link of the chain is the immune system that these people have in common. I emailed one of the fox groups once and the organizer there told me that he has had the mange from the foxes he's treated so much but that it goes away by itself. My conclusion is that he has a good immune system.

I was in the military for 11 years and ate like crap in there, I've exposed myself to a lot of industrial chemicals and particulates being a tool and die maker for a long time. I'm sure my immune system was ripe for the picking when the mites showed up. No more, I got rid of both my microwaves too.

In the case of the constitutional remedy the individualization doesn't apply to a group that have similar symptoms caused by a common entity.
It does apply when a homeopath is trying to determine what is the best course of treatment for someone who has a set of symptoms that could be the result of a few different things working together in concert.

Of course everyone has their own network of experiences and exposures but the commonality of
the cause of the disease is a good place to start a homeopathic case. The subtleties of getting the immune system to function by bringing the miasms back into balance is a good way to finish the case and these would definitely have to be addressed individually. The nice thing about the polycrest as a remedy is that it is killing two birds in that respect.

Since: Apr 12

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#22 Jun 19, 2012
FRED wrote:
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Fire was a miracle when people lived in caves.
and thank you Fred for yet another ignorant "cornfed" off-topic remark. geeze.

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