scabies/bird mites/where to find help

scabies/bird mites/where to find help

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southernbuggirl

Mount Pleasant, SC

#1 Aug 21, 2010
Our family has been suffering with what we thought was scabies for almost 3 months now...we were able to leave our environment for 4 weeks this summer and had a huge reduction in symptoms - using iver and prem on an aggressive schedule....by the end of our vacation everyone was on the mend. Now we are back home and are worse than ever. I can feel them crawling on me everywhere. This is no scabies....it's gotta be bird mites or rat mites (had 3 birds nests removed and 5 rats trapped in the last several months - we live on a nature preserve - therefore we had the house sealed by a critter control company while we were gone). I should say we are following the strict cleaning protocol, laundry management, more meds, pesticides and no relief. Black specks are once again coming out our skin. Worst areas are ears, hair, nose and groin. Our primary care Dr. who is sympathetic but stumped is willing to send us to infectious disease but can they really give us a positive ID or any more insight as to what is happening as I have been so discouraged by the drs. We also did see a Derm who did biopsies on my son and I and said the results came back positive for arthropod assault - no kidding. She does not offer skin scraping services in her office. I really feel like we need a skin scrape to eliminate the scabies diagnosis once and for all. I am sorry this is a rant. We have spent thousands of dollars trying all sorts of things. My daughter currently has new bites all over her inner thighs - I have them on my back and my hair doesn't even resemble my hair anymore...I think I have lost over half of it in this process! Please tell me - are there any drs who understand super scabies or bird mites in the southeast????? I would go anywhere to see anyone to relieve this for myself and my children. We don't even have any pets in our home. Could mold be contributing to our issues somehow or is there something I've overlooked?
Armed and Fabulous

Ross, CA

#2 Aug 21, 2010
southernbuggirl wrote:
Our family has been suffering with what we thought was scabies for almost 3 months now... Could mold be contributing to our issues somehow or is there something I've overlooked?
Hi Southernbuggirl,
I never got a positive ID either, but thing my bugs were/are birdmites also. There were things that I found worked in my environment and on my body, but I was able to move,get rid of my car,and isolate most of my belongings in a storage unit for a year, all of which helped tremendously. The items in my storage still had live 'bugs' in them 4 months after they were stored, so that was my confirmation that they were definitely not human scabies.

I think I've seen your posts before, but am not recalling all the things you have tried in your environment. Here are a few of the things I found most effective, many of which deal with mold as well as mites, and a few others that I've seen recommended by many with birdmites:

-hot water & bleach washing on any surface that will stand it. When dry follow up with a GENEROUS sprinkling of baking soda. Let sit for a day, then sweep up (this is a mold remedy, but really stopped mites for me where I was able to do it)
-similar to this...use arm & hammer Scrub Free Bathroom Cleaner with Bleach on vertical surfaces that can stand it..use often in the shower (be careful of clothing when doing this..it is strong)

-arm & hammer powdered detergent. Apply dry liberally to any carpet areas. let sit a day or two and allow it to work into the carpet. Follow by vacuuming and shampooing rug with pine-sol and borax....it will be foamy and you won't get all the soap out, but that is good for now. I still sprinkle this on the carpet sometimes before vacuuming, and have some mixed with water for spraying onto upholstered items every so often at my new place.

-baking soda poured liberally on upholstered items, let sink in and later vacuum (can do this on mattress too, then cover with mite-proof plastic/vinyl covers on mattress and boxspring...cover pillows too) Spray plastic covers with hydrogen peroxide or pine-sol and wipe off before putting on clean bedding.

-Cedarcide 'best yet' spray for tough areas and like leather items.

-people have had good results with use of and insecticide called Cyonara and an Insect Growth Regulator product from doyourownpestcontrol.com They are very helpful there if you have questions on safe use.

-A boric acid powder called Roach Prufe works well in crawl spaces and places that you don't frequent. Be very careful not to breathe it in when applying. You can mix diatomaceous earth with this before spreading it for an added level of protection.

-I have had good results with a pyrethrum (chrysanthemum) powder called buhach. It is pretty non-toxic and can be sprinkled everywhere...the downside is that it is a dark beige/mustard color, non-staining, but not pretty on all surfaces. www.buhach.com

-I've also had good results with insecticides containing Pyrethrin and Piperonol Butoxide as their main ingredients. One is Raid Earth Options House and Garden Insect Killer....Pyrethrins worked for me where Permethrin products did nothing but seemed to make them more agitated. I have even put this as a 1:4 mixture with lotion for a topical skin treatment (see posting by Joe in I am Cured thread if you'd like to try)

-arm & hammer powdered detergent and 1 cup 3% hydrogen peroxide in a warm bath for 30 minutes....lather upper body with soap immediately to protect upper body.

-shower with sulphur soap....rinse and follow with spray of full strength apple cider vinegar on skin and pour onto scalp, run into skin for a bit then rinse.

There's lots more to do for the body.....but it sounds like environment is your bigger concern now. Hope this helps you some.
Good luck,
armed
Armed and Fabulous

Ross, CA

#3 Aug 21, 2010
Hi Southernbuggirl,
I never got a positive ID either, but thing my bugs were/are birdmites also. There were things that I found worked in my environment and on my body, but I was able to move,get rid of my car,and isolate most of my belongings in a storage unit for a year, all of which helped tremendously. The items in my storage still had live 'bugs' in them 4 months after they were stored, so that was my confirmation that they were definitely not human scabies.

I think I've seen your posts before, but am not recalling all the things you have tried in your environment. Here are a few of the things I found most effective, many of which deal with mold as well as mites, and a few others that I've seen recommended by many with birdmites:

-hot water & bleach washing on any surface that will stand it. When dry follow up with a GENEROUS sprinkling of baking soda. Let sit for a day, then sweep up (this is a mold remedy, but really stopped mites for me where I was able to do it)
-similar to this...use arm & hammer Scrub Free Bathroom Cleaner with Bleach on vertical surfaces that can stand it..use often in the shower (be careful of clothing when doing this..it is strong)

-arm & hammer powdered detergent. Apply dry liberally to any carpet areas. let sit a day or two and allow it to work into the carpet. Follow by vacuuming and shampooing rug with pine-sol and borax....it will be foamy and you won't get all the soap out, but that is good for now. I still sprinkle this on the carpet sometimes before vacuuming, and have some mixed with water for spraying onto upholstered items every so often at my new place.

-baking soda poured liberally on upholstered items, let sink in and later vacuum (can do this on mattress too, then cover with mite-proof plastic/vinyl covers on mattress and boxspring...cover pillows too) Spray plastic covers with hydrogen peroxide or pine-sol and wipe off before putting on clean bedding.

-Cedarcide 'best yet' spray for tough areas and like leather items.

-people have had good results with use of and insecticide called Cyonara and an Insect Growth Regulator product from doyourownpestcontrol.com They are very helpful there if you have questions on safe use.

-A boric acid powder called Roach Prufe works well in crawl spaces and places that you don't frequent. Be very careful not to breathe it in when applying. You can mix diatomaceous earth with this before spreading it for an added level of protection.

-I have had good results with a pyrethrum (chrysanthemum) powder called buhach. It is pretty non-toxic and can be sprinkled everywhere...the downside is that it is a dark beige/mustard color, non-staining, but not pretty on all surfaces. www.buhach.com

-I've also had good results with insecticides containing Pyrethrin and Piperonol Butoxide as their main ingredients. One is Raid Earth Options House and Garden Insect Killer....Pyrethrins worked for me where Permethrin products did nothing but seemed to make them more agitated. I have even put this as a 1:4 mixture with lotion for a topical skin treatment (see posting by Joe in I am Cured thread if you'd like to try)

-arm & hammer powdered detergent and 1 cup 3% hydrogen peroxide in a warm bath for 30 minutes....lather upper body with soap immediately to protect upper body.

-shower with sulphur soap....rinse and follow with spray of full strength apple cider vinegar on skin and pour onto scalp, run into skin for a bit then rinse.

There's lots more to do for the body.....but it sounds like environment is your bigger concern now. Hope this helps you some.
Good luck,
armed
Armed and Fabulous

Ross, CA

#4 Aug 21, 2010
lots of typos there...sorry.
starting with:
I never got a positive ID either, but THINK my bugs were/are birdmites also.

and
......of full strength apple cider vinegar on skin and pour onto scalp, RUB into skin for a bit then
southernbuggirl

Mount Pleasant, SC

#5 Aug 21, 2010
Armed & Fabulous,

I'd like to start by telling you that I am so sorry that you had to deal with this bug but I am also so happy that you are willing to share your hard earned knowledge and experience with me. You have given me hope....a few things you mentioned we are already doing but several are totally new ideas!

This is such a process of trial and error. Why is it that these conditions are not being metioned and that the medical field has no idea how to treat what is happening to people? Did you go through a process of grieving when you first came down with this? I want our life before bugs back. Nothing much happened - marriage, kids, careers but we were happy. After all the itching, bites and creepy crawly feelings, the dr's visits, the long nights with no sleep, the trial and error treatments, the doctors who think we may have DP (seriously, who would make this up???????) I am just downright angry. I really cannot believe that the medical field has not even taken notice. How can it be that so many of us share the same symptoms and experiences and no one notices?

When you were at your worst did you confide in anyone? What gave you peace? How did you figure out your protocol?

I hope to be able to log on one day and reach out to someone with the same kindness (and worthwhile ideas) that you did. We all need to pay this forward because I do believe it's going to be the victims that find ways to overcome this - not the medical establishment.

Best!
Armed and Fabulous

Ross, CA

#6 Aug 21, 2010
Hi Southernbuggirl,
What a nice post. I hope this doesn't end up being a double post again..having a little trouble with that.
When this all started for me, I already had very little confidence in the medical establishment. So that would make me....lucky? XDD.
Actually, even though I haven't gotten any help from doctors in obtaining an accurate diagnosis or prescriptions, this 'affliction' has made me better at dealing with doctors, which, who knows, could prove useful in the future. Most of them just don't have the knowledge to deal with mites, so they diagnose the conditions they are most familiar with unless a test comes up with something conclusive.

I'm not sure I've greived over this. I think I went from survival mode to relief. There were a few months when I didn't think I'd ever get control of the problem. I had looked at a lot of websites and tried many things that helped a little, but was still despairing as each thing didn't work in my environment. Because I didn't know what was 'biting' me I just went intuitively towards treatments that addressed mites and/or mold/fungus. The big turnaround for me was reading SKF's first posting about Arm & Hammer. Even though I didn't have a tub where I was living, the use of it in my environment, combined with the bleach/baking soda thing that I saw on another site, gave me enough encouragement and the belief that I could gain enough control over the problem, get out, and have a chance of not taking a major infestation with me.

Even with that, it takes a lot to get out of one's skin and that has been a continuous process of trial and error, trying the new ideas come up on this forum and the birdmitesorg group, and lot's of arm & hammer baths :-). Most of the things that I post are things I read that worked, or I had to modify somehow for my skintype. I'd love to be able to say that this is finally over for me, but I still get an occasional outbreak on my chest or face, still do a TON of laundry, have to keep up with spot treatments for my cat...but it is nothing like the original infestation was.

Thankfully I did have a few good friends that I could confide in. But now a year later, I'm more likely to let them believe that it was a horrible thing that happened to me last summer.

I guess it could sound depressing that I'm still dealing with this (at least in some way) over a year later. But the way I see it is that, over time, I've learned about what works for me, have made steady progress and keep learning more with the help of my friends here, and expect that to continue until I'm completely better. I hope you get there faster, but mostly hope that you get to that point of RELIEF, then can get your bearings to really get it GONE!
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#7 Aug 23, 2010
This is from a bird mite sufferer. I thought it would be helpful to someone who suffers from environmental mites.
I have been using Tea Tree Oil with Cedarcide for a few months now...actually I've been using many different formulas.....My fogger is ready to go...Monday I'll begin using a combo of Volick Oil and Tea Tree Oil...Volick Oil is a natural mite killer on its own...Tea Tree Oil is an antiseptic, but it is the only antiseptic that has the highest ratio of mite kill based on various natural pesticides....This will be interesting...Here's the problem...There are many chemical and non-chemical means to kill mites....but....no one has been able to come up with a formula with a high enough dispersion ration to saturate them enough in a given area. Mites have a hard shell and are nearly microscopic...so this means that the dispersion ratio has to be high enough that NO mite will have room in a given atmosphere to maneuver....they simply will have to die...this is the key!!!...Also, I'm trying to figure out a way that will work without having to spend so much money and this could be the answer...1 Pint of Volick will make 10 gallons of mixture and Tea Tree Oil can be ordered in quantities to drastically reduce the cost..We'll see....Wednesday after I've analyzed the first fogging, I'll use Parafin Oil with Tea Tree Oil...Parafin is also a form of Volic, yet a touch toxic if not used properley, but that won't matter if the mixture is proper...you can always leave the house and come back later...The people at Cedacide conveniently developed their product to work over time, meaning that after you've spent hundreds of dollars using their product, you may get limited results....I've already sent a letter to them asking them to STOP advertising that their product will kill biting mites on humans in the home...I got NO response...so yes...they are advertising on a technicality...yes...it prob will work after using 10 to 15 gallons of this stuff....who can afford that at 75.00 a gal???...But the real effort here is to break the sensory chain reaction mites have with humans...Hasn't anyone ever wondered why when you go to Walmart or in the woods, or just about anywhere, why mites seem to be attacking you?...The mites in places other than your home don't even know who or what you are...It's because mites are communal and they know by sensory perception from the mites already on you, that you are fair game....Once that sensory has been broken, then NO mite will bite you...and once they become afraid of you, then they will leave you!!!!!...Silica is also a key factor in all of this and it too will be used in other formulas....I have a list of over a hundred different formulas I've been trying over the past 7 to 8 months and have narrowed it down to where I am now...and getting closer!!!!...In reference to using Pool Shock...I tried that a couple of years ago...I used mms 2 and other pool shock formulas...the problem is this...Yes, it will kill parasites, but again...the dispersion ratio is not saturated enough in a room to destroy them...and if you don't destroy them completely, you will never break the bond/chain of network communal action mites thrive in..It really has come down to an all or nothing scenario and going for ALL!!!...A few years ago I tried mms1...no results or not what I was looking for...Volick Oil, Tea Tree Oil, Neem Oil, Vegetable Oil, Parafin Oil....all of these do one thing extremely well to kill microscopic mites...Once dispersion sets in, these Oils dissolve their hard crust shells, then suffocate them completely...

When Tea
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#8 Aug 23, 2010
(continued from the last post from the bird mite sufferer)

Tree Oil is added into the formula...you have a double whammy and the killing ratio goes through the roof!!!!I'll close for now...great to hear from you...chin up...I hope that "something wonderful is about to happen"...as for the nay-sayers and internet detectives on the job for the Fed, CDC and AMA...I hope you do read this...I will post my findings and if it works...get off your lazy butts and manufacture this stuff in quantity so that we can all be cured......I'll gladly give you the formulas...I have no lost love for an agency that will condemn mms when their own agencies have publically endorsed the use of chlorine dioxide as an alternative to fight cancer...what a stupid bunch of people..."Hey CDC...did ya think that we're so stupid that we
southernbuggirl

Mount Pleasant, SC

#9 Aug 23, 2010
Joe,

Love the fact that you never give up....If I had to go into battle and could pick my team you folks would be on it. Did you buy the Cedarcide fogger? Where did you get to Volick Oil? You are so right about how these mites communicate. I was in Costco yesterday and actually had leave - my skin was tingling all over and I could feel activity on my legs.....it's like a bad episode of the X-Files. Let me know how your first fogging goes. We have done the Cyonnara a few times but it just drives them crazy mostly.....which equals a few bad nights for us. I am willing to spend my last dime trying get our life back.....heck, whomever cracks the code to this problems stands to gain fiscally - it's surprising money isn't motivating any of the pesticide manufacturers to come up with some sort of proprietary blend.
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#10 Aug 23, 2010
Hi, Well, actually, this is not me. I copied and pasted a post from someone on the birdmitesorg yahoo group. I thought it was interesting how this person is so persistent in developing new mixes to kill them in his environment.

I combine the Cyonara with the insect growth regulator Nylar, which stops them dead. Maybe the IGR is working by not allowing them to develop.
southernbuggirl

Mount Pleasant, SC

#11 Aug 23, 2010
Sorry - but I so appreciate that you found this for me! I am going to track down the Nylar today. I hope you are well!
nohelp

Mobile, AL

#12 Aug 26, 2010
southernbuggirl i hate that you are suffering in my same hell. my odyssey began in mid-july. my son got a puppy in may and i think that is where i got it even though most literature says it is not possible. i am the one taking care of the pet. no one else in my family has it (yet) my daughter who slept in my bed got a few big spots that itched but immediately put permethrin on it and then left for college - she has nothing else to report. i spend most of my day wondering where it exactly came from, how to get rid of it before anyone finds out or worse catches it from me and remembers me itching like crazy a few weeks ago. i work in close quarters -a very small office. the itching is bearable compared to when i first got it. it is the creepy crawling feeling when i know they are lurking on my skin trying to figure out the best spot to set up camp that is driving me insane. i totally agree with your thoughts on why the medical community does not research and solve this mystery. my depression has made me think cancer would be easier. there is no shame or embarrasment and at this point i feel like i will probably die with this..not from it just with it. reading these forums is helpful and yet discouraging when you read how long people have fought these beasts. i wonder if people in alaska or really cold climates suffer with skin parasites. they seem to like the warm humid air. i have read that you can freeze clothes and items that you cannot wash to kill them. or perhaps some radiation. yeah i know i sound crazy but i like you have spent a small fortune and it all seems for nothing. have you tried the borax, peroxide soaks. they are only thing that really calms my skin down for a little while. permethrin is useless. the mites seem to thrive on it. i asked my doc for ivermectin and she looked at me like i had two heads. she said that is for dogs to treat worms. she said she had to take it when she got some parasite in her intestines and had awful side effects. i am scared to death to buy it from the feed store. i can just see my kids finding me dead and they do an autopsy and find out that i took horsepaste. talk about dying with no dignity. then everyone would find out my horrible secret. i hate that your kids are suffering, too. i would not give this to my ex-husband

Since: Aug 10

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#13 Aug 26, 2010
Dear Southern Bug Girl: Hello, I am right here in the Charleston area too and discovered I have scabies around the first of July. At first I thought I had measles and then wondered if it was Chicken Pox, Shingles, Poison Ivy? I had never heard of scabies before except many years ago I heard some girls in high school whispering about some girl that had scabies (not me) so just in the tone of their voice, I knew then it was something awful.
I diagnosed my own self. Then I had a dermatologist appointment and she says "yes, it sure could be scabies" *oh really"? and prescribed me some permethrin and said that was the only thing that would kill them. So with that thought and her being so closed minded, she wasn't any help to me at all. I did try the permethrin and it just made my situation worse. I even tried it again a week later, and broke out with an acute dermatitis skin rash under my arms and breast and had red lines shooting down my side. I freaked and got an appointment with my regular doctor who was completely useless too. So I really wish I could help you with the Doctor's in this area and I am on the search for one too. The regular MD did actually give me two 3 mg stromectol to take one and then take the other 7 days later. Well this was a very small dosage, and I could tell a great difference after the first pill and no ill side effects. Instead of waiting the 7 days to take the other pill, I took it 3 days later and it was tremendous help. I went back in to see the MD to have her prescribe me more stromectol and no way would she do this. She wanted me to see another Dermatologist and they called to see up an appt and I am still waiting for a call back and still I have no appointment. Trying to get in to see a Derm is almost impossible here. I will try to do a search to see if I can find someone here to please try to help us.

Since: Aug 10

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#14 Aug 26, 2010
Please try not to get too upset, I know this is hard, but I believe these things strive on us getting stressed and upset, in fact I think they love it. I was so stressed and upset and only had one thing on my mind for a month and a half, and that was getting rid of these things. At first when I thought they were gone, they came back in full force and this has happened over and over again. Try to calm down and know in your mind that you will be cured. Have faith and believe. That's what I am trying to do. If something doesn't work, I move on to the next treatments. Something will click someday. I just know it and I'm not going to let them win. Right now I am trying to take it in stride and carry on. It helps to get out of the house and try to forget about it, if only for a few hours. I have prayed too, and I believe God will help me get rid of this horrible affliction.

Since: Aug 10

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#16 Aug 26, 2010
While I'm here, does anyone know why in the world the Ivermectin from magicpharma.com smells kind of perfumey? It tastes very sweet too. I'm not too sure if it is doing anything. but I am itching. I'd give anything for some Stromectol from Merck.*sighs*
southernbuggirl

Mount Pleasant, SC

#17 Aug 26, 2010
OK nohelp and sleepless in sc....thanks for reaching out and sharing your stories! I agree that I wouldn't wish this deal upon my worst enemy but since we've got it, it's good to know we don't have to walk this road completely alone.

Here's the latest in our world - Terminix has been here to lay glue board all over the house...since I can't even see this mite (except for the occasional black spec on our sheets, etc. which looks like pepper grains, not a mite) this doesn't make me feel totally confident but they have said that they will send the boards into their lab and they are committed to helping our family...in addition we did find a dr to do a traditional skin scrape (we did have our derm do a biopsy of our bites..as she doesn't do skin scrapes...I guess the botox is lots more profitable...anyhow, don't waste your time on a biopsy as the only thing it will tell you is that an arthropod is biting you....like you didn't already know that). So, our new dr. said she found what appeared to be two mite carcases that came from bites on my husband that she scraped but that they didn't look like scabies mites. Good news is that she had her staff make appts for our entire family with an infectious disease dr on the spot....bad news is I don't have much hope he can help, either. I am still betting on some kind of bird mite or super charged scabies mite but I guess time will tell. I feel like it's one step forward, two steps back. I have already seen three drs and a derm...and have been on and off many meds. OK - I digress!

As for magicpharma-i totally agree with you Sleepless in SC- the stromectol from there just doesn't seem right. We took it a few times and the results weren't nearly on par with the real thing. The million dollar question is where do we go for the real deal once we've exhausted our drs? Our newest DR (who found the mite remains) does not want to prescribe anything more at this point - she is very worried about toxicity....I agree on some level but also I need to feel well enough to do the work it is going to take to get this family well. I really would risk Lidane for myself (I think that's how you spell is - sorry - lack of sleep) at this point if I thought it would help with my symptoms.

Thanks for sharing a few things that are working for you all....I did stumble upon the best blog on this subject I've seen....go to www.shanspirations.org ....the post is Help I'm Being Bit By Something I Can't See....she outlines a whole protocol - simple, straightforward, do-able....it left me feeling like there might be hope that we can beat this thing! I am going to try her suggestions before I completely give up.

I also found some temp housing for us that we are considering. It would be a huge financial burden but our kids are sick, we are sick, everyone is stressed and I can't seem to make a dent in these bugs...we've got 5,000 square feet of hell at this point. I used to love our home - I can't imagine I will ever feel that way again.

Let's stick together and see what else we can find that might work! Hang in there!

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#18 Aug 27, 2010
southernbuggirl wrote:
OK nohelp and sleepless in sc....thanks for reaching out and sharing your stories! I agree that I wouldn't wish this deal upon my worst enemy but since we've got it, it's good to know we don't have to walk this road completely alone.
Hello SBG, I'm glad your getting Terminix out to lay the glue board, although I've never heard of that, but it
sounds like a great idea. It's wise to know what type of mite you are dealing with so you can treat better.
I'm sorry your whole family has this. I am so curious to know what kind of mite this is. I've never seen the
black pepper specks as so many others have seen. But several times I have sprayed the plastic I had
over my mattress with alcohol and looked very closely and saw a couple of brown weird looking things. I
put them on a paper towel and got some really strong reading glasses and a magnifying glass and sure
enough it was some kind of dead bug. Dead from the alcohol I sprayed. It was brown and kind of shaped
like a sesame seed and I could make out the head and the curled up legs. It was hard to see anything else.
I put the ones I found (three or four all together now in a plastic bag and saved them) gag I know.
I went to shanspirations and searched and searched for that post, finally I was able to find it. Here is the correct link: http://www.shanspirations.org/... It seems quite extreme the treatments and some products seemed to be duplicated, but hey I am not here to judge and to each his own and as long as it worked who cares? Also I don't think a lot of people on this forum have that kind of money for treatments such as those. But what a blessing they had the money and were able to do all that. I am really curious as to what type of mite they had. This does not sound like scabies at all.
Hope you were able to get your housing and away from that environment. Keep us tuned in. Bless you and your family.

Since: Aug 10

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#19 Aug 27, 2010
I posted this once before and thank goodness I did a copy and paste and saved it in my notebook in case it didn't post. So if my other post ever shows up, then I apologize. That's probably why the post above this one looks so out of line, because I had to copy and paste. I am starting a new thread in regards to Ivermectin. Hopefully you will find it.

If I were you please do everything you can before resorting to the Lindane. Please be careful.
Determined

Shippensburg, PA

#20 May 10, 2011
For the past few weeks I have been under the assumption whta we have (me, dogs, pet birds) was scabies. I have red squiggly tunneling on my breasts and bites all over including head. I use a lint remover when I feel a bite and there is a tiny pepper spec on the lint roller. These do not seem to move. I am now using Ivermectin and Adavantix as are the dogs and birds. Sufur powder in my shamppoo and lotion bathing twice a day. Here is my question. The bird's cage paper, my dogs face and inside ears (who have been diagnosed with sarcoptic mange) and my bed have black tiny pepper specs in the morning. Crawling has almost stopped from the advantix + Iver. Tonight, after my PM shower there were scores of motionless black specs on my shower stall and curtain just like I pull off on my roller. So is this scabies or Collembola or what? I don't seem to have most of the symptoms of Collembola but do scabies leave black pepper specs? I do get the itchy feeling on my head, ears and eyes before treatments started. The birds are still terrible after 2 weeks of treatment but the dogs after 4 treatments are improving. Your opinions would be most appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Scabies Fan

UK

#21 May 23, 2011
If anyone has had these mites for longer than 6 months, there is a alot of help from a Yahoo Group called birdmitesorg (no period there). Just go on yahoo and then go on groups, and become a member of this group.(You will need a Yahoo I.D.) There are alot of helpful and friendly people there. You could possibly be dealing with a bird or rodent mite, or some other type of environmental mite, and not the human scabies mite. Good luck!!

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