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Anyone ever had scabies along with Eczema? (please read!)

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Yiddo

Kingston Upon Thames, UK

#1 Mar 17, 2007
Hi all,
I was diagnosed for Scabies two weeks ago, I believe that I have had it for six months, but as I have got eczema, I thought it was that playing up., I normally have eczema on the fold of my arms, neck (only a bit there), and at the back of the knees, gradually it started spreading to my tummy, chest, in-between fingers, back of ears, calfs, forearms

I applied some cream called Lyclear Derman Cream (Permethrin 5%) which felt like putting acid on my skin a couple of weeks ago, couple of days later, my skin got really red and the rash was a lot worse, a week later it has started to get less red, itchiness was still there though. The cream I put on said “don’t put on face” even though I had some bits of it on my forehead and eye sockets)

I went to my GP again and saw a different doctor , who has proscribed me a potent steroid cream to put on my body from neck to toe. What on earth has steroid cream got to do with scabies? I thought you should only use that if you have got Eczema? And surley putting a potent steroid cream all over your body is not good for your health? I did ask the doctor this question and she shrugged it off saying it should be OK. The rashes thats over my body doesn’t look like eczema, obviously the rash is flaring up the eczema on my arms and neck, but the rash i have on my tummy and chest, legs etc aren’t eczema.

My doctor has also given me a shampoo that has steroids in, again, I didn’t know it was possible to have eczema on the scalp? Never had eczema there before anyway.

When I asked my doctor if she could take a skin sample by scraping off a layer of skin and put it under a microscope, she said that it wont be possible and its impossible to check to see if someone has got scabies apart from seeing the burrows.

I don’t have a lot of faith in the doctor because i think shes talking shit.

A couple more questions
1) I am starting to see really small black dots over my body, which are smaller than black heads, are these scabies or there eggs? Or just a coincidence
2) Does the Lyclear Derman Cream travel through the blood? As im quite concerned that I wasn’t allowed to put any of the cream on my face, how is my face going to get better?
3) When I take anti histamines to help with the itching, it helps loads, if I did have a massive eczema flareup anti histamines wouldn’t do anything would they?
4) Last question, has anyone ever had Eczema and scabies before? Did you find when the scabies get cured, the eczema goes away?

Thanks for reading!
scabicide

United States

#2 Mar 17, 2007
The redness in the places you describe could very well be caused by scabies. Scabies can cause an allergic skin reaction, indistinguishable from various dermatitis/ ekzema symptoms.

Steroids are not a good idea while you have active scabies. Steroids thin the skin, and may cause the scabies to get worse.

Lyclear is 5% permethrin, is a good first line treatment for scabies. You absolutely can and should put it on your face if you have symtoms there.

Usually put in on after a bath, but let your skin cool off before applying. Apply liberally. You should use 2-3 oz to cover your body. Trim your finger and toenails and apply under the nails as well with a toothbrush. Ask for ivermectin ( an effective oral med)

Very little of the lyclear cream gets into your bloodstream. Perhaps 3% of it.
The bug only lives in the very top layer of your skin,( the outermost layer, maybe 30-40 layers of dead cells. the bug can not gid any deeper because it needs to breathe)

Most general practicioners do not have the microscope, or the training what to look for in a skin scraping. For that, you need to see a dermatologist.

It is not enough to take meds, you need to be aware that you can get reinfected from your bed linens, your clothes and possibly even furniture.

Look around on this board, various issues have been discussed at great length in other threads. Most of what I am posting now are just a recap of other messages. Best of luck..
fed up

AOL

#3 Mar 17, 2007
I was just reading artical about body lice. I'm not saying that what the black dot's are but that's one of the symptoms of body lice. And their attached to the hair.
show your right

Manchester, TN

#4 Mar 18, 2007
i have a neighbor across the street from me for two years she has been battling with lice, she have thrown away several pieces of furniture and keeps her children hair cut very short even her daughter. I NOTICED SHE NEVER CUTS HER HAIR, I GUESS SHE NEVER GETS THEM?
Yiddo

Kingston Upon Thames, UK

#5 Mar 19, 2007
Thank you for the replys.

A quick question

I am finding it really hard to have a decent nights sleep, its been just under two weeks of the first treatment of scabies, I goto bed at 11pm but wake up at 2:30-3:15am itching like mad.

Is this normal? or has my treatment failed? or is it because the anti histomines have worn off?

this is so depressing :(
show your right

Mcminnville, TN

#6 Mar 19, 2007
Yiddo wrote:
Thank you for the replys.
A quick question
I am finding it really hard to have a decent nights sleep, its been just under two weeks of the first treatment of scabies, I goto bed at 11pm but wake up at 2:30-3:15am itching like mad.
Is this normal? or has my treatment failed? or is it because the anti histomines have worn off?
this is so depressing :(
you might want read the other post SCABIES IS HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS you will find almost every answer to your questions. the good thing is my extended family did'nt hold back they shared very detailed information. we have found this MITE to be an UNWANTED GUEST WHO STAYED TO LONG. GOOD LUCK
tanekca alonso

Miami, FL

#7 Apr 18, 2007
i been diagnosed with scabies is the skin suppose to feel and smell dusty. is it normal to get allergic reactions?

Since: Apr 07

new york city

#8 Apr 18, 2007
Yiddo wrote:
Thank you for the replys.
A quick question
I am finding it really hard to have a decent nights sleep, its been just under two weeks of the first treatment of scabies, I goto bed at 11pm but wake up at 2:30-3:15am itching like mad.
Is this normal? or has my treatment failed? or is it because the anti histomines have worn off?
this is so depressing :(
what i've been doing for a decent nights sleep, has been taking 50 mg of benadryl, to help the itching and to keep me asleep. other than that, i use aloe vera gel (keep it in the fridge so it's nice and cold!) and that helps a ton.
Anonymous

Montréal, Canada

#9 Aug 19, 2007
I've realized that I've had scabies for a while, and talked to my dad about it and his gf, they both were in denial about it and told me that it wouldn't be possible since I don't live in a garbage dumpster... but I had already done research about it, and knew that it happens even though you are very hygienic. To prove it to them I went to a dermatologist, the best in Montreal apparently, he told me I had scabies,( I expected him to say that) he prescribed me a Nix tube 5% Permethrin (w/w) 30g dermal cream, it is good for about 3 days, applied once a day and left for 12-14 hours on the skin. He also prescribed me a squeeze bottle of Cyclocort Amcinonide (0.1%) Topical Corticosteroid Lotion for once a day before bed time until the next treatment of Nix for 2 weeks later.
Anonymous

Montréal, Canada

#10 Aug 19, 2007
I immediately put the nix on, and followed instructions carefully, it seemed to work, it worked so well that the only tube I had seemed to have had cured it. I didn't feel any itching or crawling or no red bumps. My dad and his gf didn't were shocked I had that and they read about it, and saw that it can be considered as an STD also and told me that it was probably that. I told them they should get treated too, but they don't and I've been on my own to wash everything in my house , washer at high temperatures, drying, spraying, sweeping up the floor, lucky me I only have hardwood floors in my house, I got my covers cleaned at the dryers. I felt like I didn't have it anymore, but wanted to make sure and was hesitating to take the 2nd treatment, because it seemed all gone, but the 2 weeks weren't fully in yet, they still aren't, and was hoping to see if it would get better or worse, for a few days everything was healing, so fast that it looked like I never had it. I went to the dermatologist and he told me that I was cured, and I asked him if I should take the next treatment, he told me that I probably didn't need it, but it wouldn't arm me to do so. So, I decided to wait it out until the 2 weeks are up like on the prescription said, and see how it goes from there, well bad news I started itching again, very minor though, and saw bumps appearing again, and then vanish, appear somewhere else, but at night it goes from minor to mild, I can still sleep, I'm still happy that it's minor and mild, because I had it EXTREMELY SEVERE GAZILLION TIMES ITCHY, so much that I almost didn't sleep for weeks.
Anonymous

Montréal, Canada

#11 Aug 19, 2007
So I was happy to get some sleep, but the thought of it coming back with these new bumps keeps me up. I'm not sure if it's normal that it still does that after treatment, the doctor told me that I should feel some itching still for a short period, but at the time I told him that my itching was completely gone because it actually was, even the bruises I had from scratching had vanished too. I also told him about eczema I've had between my fingers that I've had for over a year. Here in winter it can get really dry and the temperature falls down to -40c sometimes. Which usually makes it worse in winter, but at that time I thought I had scabies too just because of that. But what I read online back then told me that it wasn't anything serious. As the dermatologist told me I was cured I told him about the eczema and he said to use the cyclocort he prescribed me for scabies on it and that it would help. I'm not much concerned for my eczema though, it barely ever is in the way, the only time it gets visible is when I take showers, and I find using kerry lotion regularly makes it almost go away.
I'm really terrified about my scabies coming, back though, I got my new tube of Nix and cyclort to complete the treatment hoping it will cure me. I hope the lack of help from my dad and his gf is not going to re infest me, although my dad is out of the country a lot and never sleeps home, and she is not here often, but her young kids have fallen asleep on my bed a couple of times, and I don't know what to do, they are really stubborn right now. With that I'm starting school in about 4 days just enough to get my treatment in. I guess I just have to pray and hope this is it??? It really depresses me to read on here that some people have been trying to cure it for years and never were able to. I don't even know where I could of gotten it from. Maybe from dancing in clubs? I never stay at people's places overnight. or at all... I do try clothes a lot at stores, could have been that too. But my family are so convinced that I got it as an STD or STI's like they say now... So I really don't know. I just hope where ever I got it from I'm not venturing there anymore by accident, it just would help to know. Just reading on this forum brings my moral down so low,'cause I feel I won't get over this nightmare.( would moving out somewhere else and living permanently in an aquarium underwater with chlorine and a scuba tank of course ... cure it?)* I'm desperate *
Sam

United States

#12 Aug 19, 2007
Hi Anon, definitely do the second treatment. There are some common reasons some of us have had a really difficult time getting rid of it.

The most recent thing we have found out is dry skin makes it harder to kill the mites in. Also thicker skin in hands and feet, where the meds don't reach completely. Reinfection from untreated people in the house sometimes is a problem, sometimes not. I know that statement doesn't help ;)

The good news is that you're young, and younger people seem to get rid of it easier, better skin, better immune system, or whatever reason. I'd keep an eye on the kids to see if they start scratching or showing bumps.
Alhatesitchin

Bellingham, WA

#13 Aug 19, 2007
Anonymous wrote:
So I was happy to get some sleep, but the thought of it coming back with these new bumps keeps me up. I'm not sure if it's normal that it still does that after treatment, the doctor told me that I should feel some itching still for a short period, but at the time I told him that my itching was completely gone because it actually was, even the bruises I had from scratching had vanished too. I also told him about eczema I've had between my fingers that I've had for over a year. Here in winter it can get really dry and the temperature falls down to -40c sometimes. Which usually makes it worse in winter, but at that time I thought I had scabies too just because of that. But what I read online back then told me that it wasn't anything serious. As the dermatologist told me I was cured I told him about the eczema and he said to use the cyclocort he prescribed me for scabies on it and that it would help. I'm not much concerned for my eczema though, it barely ever is in the way, the only time it gets visible is when I take showers, and I find using kerry lotion regularly makes it almost go away.
I'm really terrified about my scabies coming, back though, I got my new tube of Nix and cyclort to complete the treatment hoping it will cure me. I hope the lack of help from my dad and his gf is not going to re infest me, although my dad is out of the country a lot and never sleeps home, and she is not here often, but her young kids have fallen asleep on my bed a couple of times, and I don't know what to do, they are really stubborn right now. With that I'm starting school in about 4 days just enough to get my treatment in. I guess I just have to pray and hope this is it??? It really depresses me to read on here that some people have been trying to cure it for years and never were able to. I don't even know where I could of gotten it from. Maybe from dancing in clubs? I never stay at people's places overnight. or at all... I do try clothes a lot at stores, could have been that too. But my family are so convinced that I got it as an STD or STI's like they say now... So I really don't know. I just hope where ever I got it from I'm not venturing there anymore by accident, it just would help to know. Just reading on this forum brings my moral down so low,'cause I feel I won't get over this nightmare.( would moving out somewhere else and living permanently in an aquarium underwater with chlorine and a scuba tank of course ... cure it?)* I'm desperate *
I think you are ok.. You got it in time.. Most of us waited too long and have to take drastic measure to beat these little mites. Try not to worry too much and go about your life.. Most of that has it bad or having issues getting rid of scabies we worry all the time and it can take a mental toll on the mind.
Sam

United States

#14 Aug 19, 2007
I agree AHI. But he or she only treated once, itching and bumps went away, is starting to increase again, due to egg hatch? I would definitely do the second treatment, just to be safe.

Yep, good advice AHI. Worry and stress causes your body to increase production of cortisone as well as other substances, which in turn weaken your immune system. I seriously think people with strong immune systems don't get this as bad, or their body is able to kill the mites or at least help kill them. My house is clean, I did the meds last night so I think I'll go do something fun for the rest of the day. ;)
Alhatesitchin

Bellingham, WA

#15 Aug 19, 2007
Sam wrote:
I agree AHI. But he or she only treated once, itching and bumps went away, is starting to increase again, due to egg hatch? I would definitely do the second treatment, just to be safe.
Yep, good advice AHI. Worry and stress causes your body to increase production of cortisone as well as other substances, which in turn weaken your immune system. I seriously think people with strong immune systems don't get this as bad, or their body is able to kill the mites or at least help kill them. My house is clean, I did the meds last night so I think I'll go do something fun for the rest of the day. ;)
Hey Sam you how long have you been treating yourself? Do you agree with some people on the boards on taking a break from treament?
Scared and anonymous

Montréal, Canada

#16 Aug 19, 2007
(Me again that posted the super big story) It has started up again today, some more bumps are reappearing and I'm about to put go on with 2nd time treatment I only have a few I hope it will be fine. Only thing that aggravates me are my covers. I've washed them a lot, but the big ones, you can't wash or do anything with. And everyone I go see either at the pharmacy or people tell me I don't have to go through that much cleaning. I just don't want it to come back. I'm scared to death to be stuck with it for life.......... But as I got my new prescription for today the pharmacist told me that if it doesn't go away that they have a special shot that they inject here that 100% cures you from it. I wonder what that miracle is. I hope I don't have to get there first but it reassures me? Or could this be false hopes?
Scared and anonymous

Montréal, Canada

#17 Aug 19, 2007
oh and could winter help me get rid of it? can't the super Canadian winter freeze them off my skin? it's not winter yet. but soon to be, well I kinda don't want it to come that quickly, but if it can help me out with this problem. I'm ready for, all for it, I'm even ready to roll around in the snow naked!!!
Sam

United States

#18 Aug 19, 2007
Alhatesitchin wrote:
<quoted text>Hey Sam you how long have you been treating yourself? Do you agree with some people on the boards on taking a break from treament?
I think that continual treatment is not only bad for your skin and body in general, but I think (and it's only my theory) that when the young mites are exposed to the meds before they have a fully developed central nervous system to have the meds affect them, that they can become immune to the chemicals. I have read that, but then we can't believe every article we read.

I've been watching the treatment schedules of the people here and it seems that the people who are cured easier, are the ones that either do a weekly treatment or twice a week at the most. The poster Unsure said she thought the same thing, and started a thread on that topic. She hasn't posted in a while, so maybe she is all done.

The most I have ever done is a treatment every three days, to catch the hatchers. This was back when I had it badly, pin pricks, crawling, waking up at night scratching, rashes all over, the works. I rotated between perm, iver, Benzemul and sulfur. I thought I was cured after 3 weeks of that and stopped treatment.

I have stopped treatment for weeks at a time, either because I was out of meds or because I thought I was cured. This last time I realized my hands and feet still had mites. So now I'm still working agressively on my hands and feet where there is thicker skin. I also had them in and around my nails, but I think my nails are clear now.

There have been a lot of people on here who stopped having any symptoms when they stopped treating, so it's worth stopping. If you still have them you will know it soon enough.
2ScratchOrNot2Sc ratch

Sanford, NC

#19 Aug 20, 2007
He's right. You'll never know if you don't stop. The meds cause bumps making you think you still have it. To stay somewhat sane, one should stop the treatments, but keep up with the cleaning as not to infect others in the household. I haven't had any treatments since end of June. I still get bumps that I JUST KNOW is a bite, then it goes away.

My head is clear of the anti-psycotics now and I've went back and looked at the pictures. I did still have it when I left for vacation...so it was definitely leaving, plus the lindane and maybe even the larger dose of iver that did it for me. Months of perm & iver at reg dose didn't do shit.
Alhatesitchin

Bellingham, WA

#20 Aug 20, 2007
Scared and anonymous wrote:
(Me again that posted the super big story) It has started up again today, some more bumps are reappearing and I'm about to put go on with 2nd time treatment I only have a few I hope it will be fine. Only thing that aggravates me are my covers. I've washed them a lot, but the big ones, you can't wash or do anything with. And everyone I go see either at the pharmacy or people tell me I don't have to go through that much cleaning. I just don't want it to come back. I'm scared to death to be stuck with it for life.......... But as I got my new prescription for today the pharmacist told me that if it doesn't go away that they have a special shot that they inject here that 100% cures you from it. I wonder what that miracle is. I hope I don't have to get there first but it reassures me? Or could this be false hopes?
Hmm special Shot? If there were such a shot I think all of us on this forum would go get this done.. I don't have any idea what it is.. I say false hope.. Just go with the second treatment and make sure that everything around your environment is cleaned. I hope you are boiling or using BORAX detergent for your clothes because reinfection sucks..

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