My Ivermectin Treatment Story

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#1526 Jul 17, 2013
Much as it pains me to admit at times, Fred raises some interesting issues.(Why can't you be more reasonable, Fred? You've got some good info. If you'd attack less, people might listen.)

For what it's worth, like many people here, I didn't begin to make progress until I let go of the idea that its "only" demodex. Big fleas have little fleas. Parasites carry infections. Morgellons patients all have spirochetes. It's one big, confusing soup.

I believe InUK2 is right (and there is lots of evidence for this) that the parasites come because we are hosting something they crave, whether its an Entamoeba or simply a fungus. Some of us are tasty!

And to add even more flavor, my symptoms didn't start until two years after I'd been diagnosed (via blood test) with Bartonella. No wonder there isn't an obvious cure!

Has anyone else had success with the Far Infrared sauna? It sat in my garage for years before I finally realized it might be helpful. 30 minutes, twice per day has been wonderfully healing, with many fewer symptoms, though not a complete cure.

Since: Jan 13

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#1527 Jul 17, 2013
Itchytutu wrote:
Much as it pains me to admit at times, Fred raises some interesting issues.(Why can't you be more reasonable, Fred? You've got some good info. If you'd attack less, people might listen.)
Fred has great info, I agree with most of it.... except that he calls people names, and decides what they have without ever meeting them. His insistence that everyone has lyme/morgellons certainly stems from the fact that he thought he had something else for years. It's just blatant projection. If he would act like a normal person on the board, everyone might listen a little more... start some herbals, change their diet... but no. I've said this to him several times - you can't insult people and help them. Either you want to do one or the other. He wants to insult people so he can feel less stupid about thinking he had dog mites. That's not helpful, that's projection.
FRED

Golden, CO

#1528 Jul 18, 2013
Itchytutu wrote:
Much as it pains me to admit at times, Fred raises some interesting issues.(Why can't you be more reasonable, Fred? You've got some good info. If you'd attack less, people might listen.)
For what it's worth, like many people here, I didn't begin to make progress until I let go of the idea that its "only" demodex. Big fleas have little fleas. Parasites carry infections. Morgellons patients all have spirochetes. It's one big, confusing soup.
I believe InUK2 is right (and there is lots of evidence for this) that the parasites come because we are hosting something they crave, whether its an Entamoeba or simply a fungus. Some of us are tasty!
And to add even more flavor, my symptoms didn't start until two years after I'd been diagnosed (via blood test) with Bartonella. No wonder there isn't an obvious cure!
Has anyone else had success with the Far Infrared sauna? It sat in my garage for years before I finally realized it might be helpful. 30 minutes, twice per day has been wonderfully healing, with many fewer symptoms, though not a complete cure.
What is driving the problem is Bartonella. The scope of this forum doesn't allow for the complexity of the issue to be discussed properly. You have people that have been sick for two years still at a loss as to what has happened to them and talking about laundry tips. Bartonella causes skin symptoms and a lot of scientists are just waking up to the impact it has. Bartonella can be caught from a variety of sources including mites cats and dogs.

If you actually look at the last 10 or 20 posts from each of the people complaining about me you'll find they don't really post much real info here, it's 99% drama. Its obviously why they come here. Those people don't have the capacity to put much in perspective. They are frustrated because they've gotten nowhere so they think it is somehow helpful to take their frustrations out on me. They should know It's them who are living on the edge of sanity every day trying to understand what is eating them, and I'm not.

Usnea tincture
Huttuynia cordata
Allicin
Moringa powder

These are the bartonellla specific remedies, relief in a month, treat for a year.

Bartonella is a pleomorphic, gram negative, intracellular bacteria. It hides from your immune system inside your red blood cells, that's why it takes so long to treat. Baartonella goes to e very tissue in your body.

FRED

Golden, CO

#1529 Jul 18, 2013
The other reason you have to treat fro a year is because of pleomorphism. These pathogens will instantly convert form to avoid treatment so you have to treat for round forms, cyst forms and biofilms forms simultaniously.

You should also use Taurine and lecithin to support liver, cell health and bile production. You need to maximize your body's abilty to detox from the die off so a probiotic should be taken. Trace minerals support cell respiration so those should be used.

People say "you can't cure something with herbs" but actually the herbs are stronger than antibiotics and this has been shown in multitudes of scientific studies.

The reason that pharmaceuticals are identified as toxins in the body is that they are synthetic chemical isolates. They are not naturally occurring substances in the body or any organism. All organisms are essentially made of the same building blocks or molecular structures, just rearranged to make a person, a wolf or a rose. The medicinal ingredients in the herbs work against these pathogens because they are the plant’s natural defense systems against the same types of pathogens. In the rain forest where it is warm and moist that is a good environment for these types of pathogens to grow. Not all medicinal plant tinctures come from the rainforest, some of them are made from the roots of the plant. The root is in the soil where pathogens also thrive. That's why these plants have these kinds of defense systems. Plants have natural defense systems that are extremely sophisticated and complex and science doesn’t have the capacity to understand all the intricacies of their function. Medicinal plants can have 4,000 to 5,000 different phytochemicals inside each plant. These phytochemicals naturally occur in an organism and the historically used medicinal plants are compatible with organisms like Lyme patients. Synthetic chemical isolates do not occur in nature and cause a burden to the body because they are toxins. This is also why medicinal plants have few or no side effects.
The tinctures are organic and will be easily metabolized and processed in your body. Synthetic ABX toxins can stay in the fat cells for life if not properly detoxed.
FRED

Golden, CO

#1530 Jul 18, 2013
http://www.researchmoringa.com/uploads/3CMU_J...

Moringa more powerful than tetracyline in 10 instances.

http://www.ijabpt.com/pdf/97003-Abdur%20rauf%...

Usnea effective against gram negative and gram positive bacteria.

Allicin.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10594976

Huttuynia Cordata.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18981565

What's taking place inside your body, and this goes for everyone here in this forum, is pathogenic synergy.
FRED

Golden, CO

#1531 Jul 18, 2013
Pathogenic synergy inside the body being driven by Bartonella. Bartonella shuts down the immune system by releasing chemicals and that is one way it becomes virulent.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6397141

An example of pathogenic synergy;

http://www.plospathogens.org/article/info%3Ad...

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2...

The best way to fight pathogenic synergy is with another kind of synergy.

http://anh-europe.org/files/Michael_McIntyre_...
FRED

Golden, CO

#1532 Jul 18, 2013
Oh yeah, Holllywood and HG are dumb as boards. That was just for fun.
FRED

Golden, CO

#1533 Jul 18, 2013


Granted using moringa probably won't be as much fun as wrapping your car seats in plastic and it won't make you nearly as insane as bathing in bleach does but it does do some very interesting things to intracellular infections.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Since Bartonella is vectored by mites and a lot of other insects as well as cats and dogs then anyone who comes to this forum is effected by it. Bartonella is at epidemic proportions and that is partly because of global warming.

Bartonella produces surface chemicals called lipopolysaccharides and those shut down immune and inflammatory response in mammals so other pathogens that might normally be tolerated by the body become virulent. Say you did get a mite infection because the modern lifestyle of eating toxic food caught up with you then it takes a while for the bartonella to kick in and you start getting these weird symptoms like the "mites" going on your scalp even though that defies all previously accepted science about sarcoptic scabiei.

If you are really wondering then google bartonella skin symptoms and Lyme skin symptoms and morgellons skin symptoms as well as scabies skin symptoms and look at the available pictures and symptomatic similarities.

Bartonella is driving all of these illnesses and what has been an accepted outlook on medical science is now obsolete. It is obsolete because bartonella is a stealth pathogen.
FRED

Golden, CO

#1534 Jul 18, 2013
http://www.publichealthalert.org/Articles/jam...

"If you read some simplistic articles on Bartonella they treat it like a cold, and falsely assume you need enlarged lymph nodes and a purple, blue or red blood vessel rash or flat rash, and a papule to have Bartonella or “Cat Scratch Fever.” Of course Bartonella is most commonly found without these things. Even the so called Bartonella rashes, caused by VEGF making and opening capillaries, are usually listed as having 3-4 forms when we have found over 30 forms, including occasionally open sores with debris. But most people who have any rashes miss them because it takes years to learn how to see them because they often mix in with other common skin vascular findings."
FRED

Golden, CO

#1535 Jul 18, 2013
http://www.publichealthalert.org/Articles/jam...

"Bartonella is a massive immune suppressing bacteria. It can float attached to Red Blood Cells in vast numbers and not even cause a cold or fever. Just imagine, bacteria are floating in your blood and you might not have any fever at all! If you had Staph or Strep in your blood at these levels you would likely be dead in 48 hours unless you were pumped full of antibiotics in an ICU. So how is it this huge elephant floats in vast numbers and causes no severe fever and no disastrous signs of deadly sepsis—infected blood throughout the body with massive inflammation. It is because it has ways of shutting down the immune system. It violates many rules of bacteria behavior and this is one reason it has been so seriously missed until recent years."
FERD

Germany

#1536 Jul 18, 2013
I'm just here with my assistant Igor in the laboratory studying bartonella. Here, have a looksy.

Since: Jul 13

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#1537 Jul 18, 2013
Ivermectin and Permethrin did nothing for me. I suffered with a skin parasite in my scalp, neck, throat, nose, arms, and feet for three (3) years. I did all the remedies spoken of in the Scabies threads but nothing helped. What I have isn't Scabies. It is worse than Scabies. But after three years and dealing with about fifty doctors coast to coast I finally met one doctor who said I know how to cure you. No one ever said those words to me before. I just started a new thread "Take it to the next level: Albendazole & Praziquantel" where I tell my story and how these two meds with a anti-nausea med cured me. I have been cured for almost two years. The treatment itself is a rough ride. And most doctor will probably refuse to prescribe this Tapeworm Protocol, but some will. Read my story and at least consider taking your treatment to the next level for a complete cure. I am not selling anything. I just feel for all of you who are suffering. Your suffering can be ended.

Since: Aug 12

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#1538 Jul 19, 2013
Well, I can't speak for anyone else here, but because I DO have Bartonella (as well as whatever this skin thing is) all this info seems incredibly interesting. Time to do some research. Thank you, Fred.

Of course, everyone will now think that I am you.:)

For the record, I am a 60-something writer from California. Not Fred.

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#1539 Jul 19, 2013
Shonda, how long were you on the meds?

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#1540 Jul 19, 2013
Itchytutu wrote:
Shonda, how long were you on the meds?
Please go to my new thread. My full story is there. I did thirty days but it was the most difficult thirty days I have ever done. I did a detox first, then started the treatment. You will not make it without anti-nausea meds! These drugs make you terribly dizzy and you will vomit even taking anti-nausea meds, you will have the runs and lose weight. Many have tried a version of the Tapeworm Protocol but didn't succeed because they didn't take both drugs at the prescribed dose or they stopped too soon. And again, without the anti-nausea meds you won't get through it. Seriously, this is very difficult but it cures.
Aggi Arssman

Hollywood, FL

#1541 Jul 19, 2013
shondatime wrote:
Ivermectin and Permethrin did nothing for me. I suffered with a skin parasite in my scalp, neck, throat, nose, arms, and feet for three (3) years. I did all the remedies spoken of in the Scabies threads but nothing helped. What I have isn't Scabies. It is worse than Scabies. But after three years and dealing with about fifty doctors coast to coast I finally met one doctor who said I know how to cure you. No one ever said those words to me before. I just started a new thread "Take it to the next level: Albendazole & Praziquantel" where I tell my story and how these two meds with a anti-nausea med cured me. I have been cured for almost two years. The treatment itself is a rough ride. And most doctor will probably refuse to prescribe this Tapeworm Protocol, but some will. Read my story and at least consider taking your treatment to the next level for a complete cure. I am not selling anything. I just feel for all of you who are suffering. Your suffering can be ended.
Shonda, what exactly did you have? If it was worse, how so? Please explain what you had and what were your symptoms.

Since: Jul 13

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#1542 Jul 19, 2013
Aggi Arssman wrote:
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Shonda, what exactly did you have? If it was worse, how so? Please explain what you had and what were your symptoms.
You can read my story at the new thread "Take it to the next level: Albendazole and Praziquantel"

I traveled to Singapore and two weeks after I returned home I started sneezing like crazy. Then the itching, crawling, biting began. I saw several doctors, went through what most of you have experienced, the doctors didn't believe me, they couldn't see anything, have I ever been delusional, etc., etc. The doctors are not trained to know how to test, or identify skin parasites, much less treat them. My skin parasites are not Scabies, they reside mostly under the skin, my scalp, neck, throat, ears, nose, arms, legs, feet. I did all the sulpher soaps and ointments, the clove oil, and other essential oils. I did bleach baths, nothing worked. And then I did the online by mail vet meds because I couldn't find a doctor who would prescribe anymore Ivermectin or Permethrin. I was on my own. But I wasn't going to give up. This was my body and I was going to find a cure. After three years of hell I saw a doctor in New Jersey who told me he could cure me with the Tapeworm Protocol. I outlined it on my thread. I have been cured for over two years. Mine was a very severe case. It was worse than Scabies. But it was a skin parasite mite only visible by microscope. READ MY THREAD. I am not selling anything. I am here to help.
aasfd

Hollywood, FL

#1543 Jul 19, 2013
shondatime wrote:
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You can read my story at the new thread "Take it to the next level: Albendazole and Praziquantel"
I traveled to Singapore and two weeks after I returned home I started sneezing like crazy. Then the itching, crawling, biting began. I saw several doctors, went through what most of you have experienced, the doctors didn't believe me, they couldn't see anything, have I ever been delusional, etc., etc. The doctors are not trained to know how to test, or identify skin parasites, much less treat them. My skin parasites are not Scabies, they reside mostly under the skin, my scalp, neck, throat, ears, nose, arms, legs, feet. I did all the sulpher soaps and ointments, the clove oil, and other essential oils. I did bleach baths, nothing worked. And then I did the online by mail vet meds because I couldn't find a doctor who would prescribe anymore Ivermectin or Permethrin. I was on my own. But I wasn't going to give up. This was my body and I was going to find a cure. After three years of hell I saw a doctor in New Jersey who told me he could cure me with the Tapeworm Protocol. I outlined it on my thread. I have been cured for over two years. Mine was a very severe case. It was worse than Scabies. But it was a skin parasite mite only visible by microscope. READ MY THREAD. I am not selling anything. I am here to help.
how often did you take the albendazole? I remember once on this forum where we were trying to post about albendazole and every time we tried to post, the post was removed by the administrators of topix. We finally were able to post some stuff, but in the beginning, every single post was removed. Don't know why... probably because someone complained about it. yes, my mites are truly microscopic and I believe are an animal mite, black in color, not red, not opaque, they are so very tiny and black. and mine can become environmental easily, as there are many in numbers. Not like scabies where a person with normal immunity, only has like 20 of them on the body. Mine can multiply into hundreds quickly.
Especially on the dogs.
Hope

Canada

#1544 Aug 11, 2013
Well after over a year I think I finally got this licked.
After being rid of scabies I developed a hair follicle/skin fungal infection much like jock itch I suppose from the chemicals I treated myself with and maybe a poor immune system. I had what felt like mites moving in my scalp, face down to my torso, some hair loss and prickly feelings.
I was eventually prescribed Stieprox shampoo which helped. I think what's helping most is soaking in a bath with baking soda, apple cider vinegar and a listerine (antiseptic) type mouthwash. Since I started with these baths my skin is now rapidly healing, pimples, boils & itch are going away.
I post this for those of you who are having the same problems.
Hope everyone is well!

Since: Aug 13

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#1545 Aug 17, 2013
In UK2 wrote:
If there is a qualified doctor specialising in this, then speak up, but most are guessing along as I am. The difference is that I'm living the symptoms. I'm doing what I can. Yesterday I saw a local doctor. What a waste of money. His recommendation: rub this antibiotic ointment on each sore twice per day. Duh... I already have and do that nightly for months.
Again, this phenomenon happened where they either fled from back of leg (calve) or landed. Felt like a flock of birds on the ground being scared and taking off all at once. This time once again near the kitchen cabinet.
Two new hive-like bumps last night that will turn into open trenches. You don't get these from the dead.
And to those saints chastising: I am betting your life is as clean and thoughtful as Jesus.
This thread is over by author. Bye
Dear UK2,

I understand that you need to treat your body with chemicals but you need to give your body a break. Your body is mostly reacting to toxins that you are assuming is the mite. Go to a sweat lodge, fast on vegetables, take only the required medication for killing adult mites, nymphs are not affected by chemicals or use natural products to suffocate mites/nymphs. I have read a number of your posts now, you are constantly poisoning yourself and your environment. Please, stand back and reasess your self and get rid of your toxic over load for your greatest asset is your immune system.

Think, a small kitten or very old cat who has mange will begin to be bogged down by chemicals as the immune system is in disrepair, for the old cat, and not developed for the kitten. The chemicals have no effect and the body breaks down for the animals can not dispose /eliminate the toxins thereby rendering the whole treatment useless.

Please get some advice from a different specialist to help you own your body again.It will take a long while,also please stop showering with ammonia and washing your clothes in chems and dousing your house with poisons, there are other options. Get your skin's epidermal layer back to normal for what your doing is leaving the skin vulnerable to everything. Our body has been designed to protect us. Instead of drinking anti biotics have a herbal tea to boost your immune system, anti biotics weaken it......you are entrentched, take a step back. Apologies for butting in but from my perspective what you have been doing is......

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