My Ivermectin Treatment Story
Hope

Canada

#1233 Feb 15, 2013
This is what I'm getting at;
Antihelminthic
Doxycycline kills the symbiotic Wolbachia bacteria in the reproductive tracts of parasitic filarial nematodes, making the nematodes sterile, and thus reducing transmission of diseases. Field trials in 2005 showed an eight-week course of doxycycline almost completely eliminates the release of microfilariae.[18][19]
And here's another interesting link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filarial
In_UK2

Barcelona, Spain

#1234 Feb 16, 2013
Still taking the Moxidectin every morning, 4ml, along with 1000mg Amoxycillin 3x daily (sometimes forgetting a tablet).

All sores healing without biofilm, but a few new ones cropping up occasionally. One beside eye on cheek of face.

Diarrhoea is a sometimes. A slowness or tiredness evenings or when gardening.

My hands still hold a lot, but the bubble wrap feeling when pushing hard on fatty parts of hands is diminishing. I have the same bubble wrap feeling under the skull bone just over my left eye. A strange thing has been happening considerably: something drops down and lays on the top eyelid under the skin. I imagine it to be like a worm or something and it forms a bump that it pressed quickly goes away, but if quickly pushed hard feels like I caught it. I push it against the skull bone very hard sometimes and feel a bit of a crunch but I can never get it and it always goes back up under the bone. It only comes after I have been resting or sleeping a while. I must tell doctor next visit. Like those in my throat, I expect scepticism. I know what I feel.

Love
Hope

Canada

#1235 Feb 16, 2013
SO happy you're doing much better UK2!!! The antibiotics seem to be helping too! How's you X getting on? What antibiotics was she on? I googled Amoxycillin and this is what I found;

Adverse effects
Side-effects are as those for other beta-lactam antibiotics. Side-effects include nausea, vomiting, rashes, and antibiotic-associated colitis. Loose bowel movements (diarrhea) may also occur. Rarer side-effects include mental changes, lightheadedness, insomnia, confusion, anxiety, sensitivity to lights and sounds, and unclear thinking. Immediate medical care is required upon the first signs of these side-effects.
The onset of an allergic reaction to amoxicillin can be very sudden and intense - emergency medical attention must be sought as quickly as possible. The initial onset of such a reaction often starts with a change in mental state, skin rash with intense itching (often beginning in fingertips and around groin area and rapidly spreading), and sensations of fever, nausea, and vomiting. Any other symptoms that seem even remotely suspicious must be taken very seriously. However, more mild allergy symptoms, such as a rash, can occur at any time during treatment, even up to a week after treatment has ceased. For some people who are allergic to amoxicillin the side-effects can be deadly.
Well Wishes UK2!

Since: Oct 12

London, UK

#1236 Feb 16, 2013
UK2, sounds like you're doing so much better. I had a lot of eye involvement with rosacea -- lots of itching, crawling; eye docs telling me the surface of my eyes, which should be smooth, was "like sandpaper". Of course, I wasn't offered any advice about what to do aside from eye drops without preservatives (which would help a bit, but never solved the root of the problem).

I found putting castor oil all over my eye area (lids, lashes; no fear of getting it into my eyes, because it's not toxic to the eye) before bed helped. Also just found a new formula eyedrop: Refresh Optive Advantage Lubricant Eye Drops. The inactive ingredients (yes, inactive, not active) include boric acid and castor oil. I saw this and thought, "this is for me!" And it really is -- my eyes feel almost normal (and feeling normal goes back several decades).
Hope

Canada

#1237 Feb 16, 2013
QoOS, this is probably a stupid question but it sounds like your skin is infected like mine, have you tried antibiotics lately?
Hope

Canada

#1238 Feb 16, 2013
UK2 this is really Fabulous!!! I'm so excited for you! I think you've found the way or close to ridding them! Maybe you're just still dealing with the adults, perhaps now they can't reproduce?? Great news! Everyone can breath a sigh of relief now!

Since: Oct 12

East Elmhurst, NY

#1239 Feb 16, 2013
Hope -- I used antibiotics ages ago. But, you know this is just for the bacteria. Demodex and other travellers aren't affected by it.

I am OK now. But my eyes are taking a while to heal, after a lifetime of this. You know, for skin you can put on wonderful emollients. With the eyes, it's slower. The castor oil, the eyedrops and a low carb diet all work.
Hope

Canada

#1240 Feb 16, 2013
Maybe it does have an effect on mites and other travelers. Maybe it's the wrong antibiotic. Maybe one needs to take it for an extended period. Like in the link I gave above some of these mites & travelers have their own bacteria and if you kill that you kill them.
I am really glad you are much better now too QoOS!

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#1241 Feb 16, 2013
UK, keep posting! Your info is incredibly useful and will continue to help other sufferers.

Faerie, "thrips like mites" could explain a great deal. Thanks for that. I think it's entirely possible that most of us are suffering from more than one type of bug. We can get one problem under control, then an underlying one pops up.

I'm currently on oral ivermectin and two anti parasite drugs, which mostly works, but not completely.(Four weeks on, three weeks off.) My doc in St Louis says it's worms, not scabies. Who knew they could make nodules on your skin?

UK, I hope your daughter knows how much we appreciate your generosity in sharing your story. I may have missed some of the details re the latest round of specialists. Did they provide any help at all or only diagnosis? Your friend the vet sounds terrific. When I dealt with Northern Fowl Mites, years ago, vets were definitely the most useful, even when they couldn't help. At least they knew for sure that it wasn't a delusion!

I wish this forum had an "ignore poster" option. Then we wouldn't have to wade through the muck to find the gold.
In_UK2

London, UK

#1242 Feb 17, 2013
Wierd things happening to hands: sometimes feels like a very short but massive shift underneath skin. Always in different locations. Sort of wired, like a chopped film clip when it happens. I am rubbing Moxidectin on my hands periodically during the day. They are still there, but I think they are diminishing. We are talking millions underneath, I think. Whenever my hands come close to certain things like dust of vacuum cleaner or just occasionally the palms go red with white small blotches all over, some round some not, but hundreds.

Sores still healing well, but whenever wearing long sleeves I get new sores around cuffs.

Still feel slivers when turning my body, but I cannot rub meds there. Also less and less bites on feet when showering.

Far cry though from the days when a high powered hand shower could find colonies on skin and knock them out with 4 minutes of directed water spray. They felt like little wooden pegs being exploded off and would always result in bites on legs or feet as water ran down.

I feel I still have millions though, but fighting.

Love
almo

Standish, UK

#1243 Feb 18, 2013
UK2 im glad to hear finally something is working for u. Be it a slow start u are finally seeing results!i am very happy for u for that! i hope u continue to beat this thing... keep it up and we shoulkd have u fighting fit within no time!!!x
Faerie with Ooglies

Brisbane, Australia

#1244 Feb 20, 2013
ItchyTutu & In Uk2

Some Info gathered my Catzilla and I.

-Maybe you have an infestation of both mites and thrips, initially caused by lowered defenses.
-Thrips feed off mites, that is their main diet.
-According to the experts, Thrips do not have a biting mechanism, but mites do.
-Maybe the mites infested first, making tunnels.
-Maybe the thrips followed to feed on the mites.(I have found evidence of this on the net from a US based woman).

-If this is the case. Then you will need to consider adding what kills Thrips to your regime.
- Spinosad is the only known effective killer of Thrips...thank you Catz for this research.
-Spinosad is contained in the canine monthly treatment - Comfortis.(not sure of dosages)
- It is also available in the gardening section of hardware store and nurseries for use on plants.

For you to consider:-
- Adding topical Spinosad from the garden shop to the Moxidectin treatment on your skin.
- Taking Comfortis large dose initially then once a month
- While still taking your Moxidectin orally (here is a link to a Moxi tablet, used to prevent heartworm in canines, dosage would need to be higher I imagine)
- I used Quest Moxidectin in very high doses for a couple of weeks and thought I was cured by it but was not using Moxidectin topically at the same time. In hindsight I should have kept it up for longer.
- Staying on Comfortis and Moxidectin long term in a low dose to prevent any infestation of any thing. Perhaps even for the term of your life.
- I have taken Comfortis twice dose for weight with no side effects - no obvious effect on mites. I do not have Thrips.

To be clear-
Moxidectin to kill the mites topically and orally
Spinosad to kill the Thrips topically and orally

Consider low dose moxidectin orally long term as in canine heartworm prevention which has been used world wide for many years.

http://ovedshorseandpetstore.com.au/Dog-Produ...

I have no attachment to this provider. It is just to show the product.

The thing is, we protect our pets by giving them these treatments prophylactically, maybe some of us will need that too.

As a irrelevant piece of trivial info that may be interesting to some. Home grown marijuana crops are often attacked by Thrips and there is a lot of info on the net in those forums.
Faerie with Ooglies

Brisbane, Australia

#1245 Feb 20, 2013
.....Quote........ I have taken Comfortis twice dose for weight with no side effects - no obvious effect on mites. I do not have Thrips..........

That should read " I have taken Comfortis twice. I took the dose for my weight"
You know who

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#1246 Feb 21, 2013
Wow fred I like it :) I am impressed.
FRED wrote:
EDTA use involves a strategy that can be accomplished in a lot safer manner that using EDTA, one that i've outlined completely in my Word file using FIR technology and Cilatro, Chlorella, and Red Marine Algae. The component of ellagic acid in the protocol kills sequestered bacteria and stealth viruses when they are released into the system.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12396676
Hope

Canada

#1247 Feb 22, 2013
Faerie with Ooglies wrote:
ItchyTutu & In Uk2
- Spinosad is the only known effective killer of Thrips...thank you Catz for this research.
A WORD OF CAUTION, if you have been taking Ivermectin insure all traceS is out of your system before using Spinosad. The combined result is deadly.
In_UK2

UK

#1255 Feb 24, 2013
Skin still healing, but I'm thinking this is superficial. Activity down a lot, but it turned into many small sparkles an occasional places around body.

So I tools sponge of Ammonia wrung out a bit and wiped body down. Then showered. Lots of small doted scabs in clusters. Mostly arms.

Funny thing now, when out riding in very cool morning certain places on skin feels like under a sprinkler. Whole patches on legs, hands, legs or face. Going indoors quites them. Rubbing them with cream does too after a minute. Could just be pores and Amonnia reaction, but it keeps up for three days now.

When bending, still feels like slivers in side and backs. Mornings one or two bites on feet in shower, at evening shower none.

Daytime occasional bite felt on chest. Or a sensation between legs. Getting less, but not sure curing really. Soaking feet 15 min in Ammonia helped significantly.

Throat colony still there. May be smaller, but unsure. Vet told me to gargle some with water every day, but it does not get deep to them.

May alternate ivermectin and Moxidectin in some days. No Advocate at Vet, but I remember that Advocate was best med to rub on sore and it would eat deep down to mite and bleed. Just keep applying something though to make sure not reinhabited.

Been spaying in doors with strong stuff and staying out all day. Cuts bites on ankles significantly.

Still going path at same time to clean mess of life and leave things to daughters. About done. Just place in Spain and some valuables in deposit.

Love
In_UK2

Barcelona, Spain

#1256 Feb 24, 2013

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#1257 Feb 25, 2013
That looks a lot better UK!
I know it's difficult to assess the cure rate when you still feel even one bite.... but recalling the days when it was 10 bites a minute... that helps.
I found that putting h202 in my ears was helpful for the throat problem.
I do think that many sensations are the skin and nerves trying to get back to some sense of normalcy... it's been through a lot.
Love to you too!

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#1262 Feb 25, 2013
In_UK2 wrote:
Skin still healing, but I'm thinking this is superficial. Activity down a lot, but it turned into many small sparkles an occasional places around body.
So I tools sponge of Ammonia wrung out a bit and wiped body down. Then showered. Lots of small doted scabs in clusters. Mostly arms.
Funny thing now, when out riding in very cool morning certain places on skin feels like under a sprinkler. Whole patches on legs, hands, legs or face. Going indoors quites them. Rubbing them with cream does too after a minute. Could just be pores and Amonnia reaction, but it keeps up for three days now.
When bending, still feels like slivers in side and backs. Mornings one or two bites on feet in shower, at evening shower none.
Daytime occasional bite felt on chest. Or a sensation between legs. Getting less, but not sure curing really. Soaking feet 15 min in Ammonia helped significantly.
Throat colony still there. May be smaller, but unsure. Vet told me to gargle some with water every day, but it does not get deep to them.
May alternate ivermectin and Moxidectin in some days. No Advocate at Vet, but I remember that Advocate was best med to rub on sore and it would eat deep down to mite and bleed. Just keep applying something though to make sure not reinhabited.
Been spaying in doors with strong stuff and staying out all day. Cuts bites on ankles significantly.
Still going path at same time to clean mess of life and leave things to daughters. About done. Just place in Spain and some valuables in deposit.
Love
Have you considered using a scabicide externally on the throat area with DMSO?
VSS

Hollywood, FL

#1265 Feb 25, 2013
Faerie with ooglies wrote:
Any input on the option of dosing twice a day anyone?
I had no signs at all after three weeks on three times a day dose. But then stopped.
I cannot analyze their behaviour and the delivery of the moxidectin to gauge whether 'sparkles' after 3 weeks dosing once a day means they are not getting enough moxidectin delivered......... or it is simply new waves of hatchlings and the once dose a day will get them.
In other words, do we accept that there will be at least 3-4 months of waves of hatchlings and dose once a day to get them?
Is there any point in dosing twice a day?
I dont know. Maybe not. Any input appreciated.
An alpaca breeder I contacted said her dog got infested by her alpacas and all she did was dose the dog once a week for six months and then stopped.
I do not advocate that, just pointing out the length of time for constant oral treatment for a cure..
So frustrating. I think the DMSO and scabicide is worth a try. You can get it in a roll-on which has glycerine added to aid positioning on the skin.
May I ask....
What is the reasoning behind dosing twice a day?
To me, it really seems like overkill.
It really seems like paranoia, too.

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