how do you know its scabies when they don't test it?

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Since: Jul 11

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#1 Jul 28, 2011
Every doctor that saw my son's red raised spot for last year that disappear and reappear say its something different.
Sept. 2010 up to 30 spots (mostly on legs) 10 day spot stays then scabs.. that cleared up with no treatment because doctor said POISON IVY.
Dec. 2010 1 spot (looked exactly like ones from Sept.) on arm that doctor said staph. Treated with clyndimicin. Spot went away and no more appeared until...
July 2011 Now they are back first on legs look like mosquito or spider bite at first then get red and raised with pustule, scab over and are gone with no treatment... very itchy a few more appear everyday....now different doctor says scabies.
Just this week for the first time I have a few spots. I went to another doctor and she said "contact dermatitis" should go away.
So how do you know if its scabies or staph?
Why don't they culture rashes instead of guess?
itcher

Australia

#2 Jul 29, 2011
demand a skin scrape and dont take no for an answer and maybe even try get a university to do one i have heard of people doing that.try them all if you can contact the medical departments of the unis.
Annie

Frisco, TX

#3 Jul 29, 2011
I would urge you to get testing. But, you need to know that a negative test doesn't mean you don't have scabies.

Typically, a person only has 10-12 mites on the body; the chances of the doctor scraping just the right spot to find them is relatively low.

The places where you see bumps are not necessarily the places where the scabies are today - they may have moved on. The bumps are debris they leave behind.

Many people who have scabies do not have visible burrows.
itcher

Australia

#4 Jul 29, 2011
surely they could cut some skin out to see if there was dead scabies or droppings????? yep i agree i had them for 12 years b4 getting any sign of servear rash and my sons worst spots were in the inner arm pits just like exzema!!

Since: Jul 11

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#5 Jul 29, 2011
Hi Itcher and Annie! Just got back from dermatologist...she says looks like folliculits and swabbed my nose for MRSA.(10 day culture) I asked should I do scabies treatment and she said it really doesn't look like that and she sees no burrows or tracks these are just isolated itchy spots that heal but more appear. She said well its a puzzle that we try one thing at a time to solve...wants me on Bactrim and Clyndamicin body wash. She said I can do Permethrin if I want because my son is being treated just in case. So pretty stressful stuff. Just want to get right meds for it to go away for good! Did they scrape yours? How do you know its scabies? She said fungal infections also look similar. So basically it still could be all of the above.(bacterial, fungal or mites) Trying to keep positive and not think about it too much. Thanks for your input!:))
itcher

Australia

#6 Jul 29, 2011
Hi harmony ,you can only be sure after skin scrape really unless people around you have it!!!! i would treat for scabies if she gave you a choice cause obviously the longer you have them the longer it will take to rid of them,clean a little more than usual,thats what i would do and maybe brace yourself for a war !!!! sorry to hear it
harmony

Auburn, MA

#7 Jul 30, 2011
Well did first permethrin treatment and throwing away lots of pillows/mattress covers and starting fresh today. Bagged huge amounts of bedding etc. and starting trek to laundry in hot water with Borax. Realizing as I'm cleaning that vacuuming and doing laundry is pretty tricky not to come into contact with items that may be contaminated. Wearing gloves but still realize how much contact happens. No wonder all the moms are getting rashes more than anyone and finding it harder to get rid of. I was thinking about my tubes of anti-itch cream which I quickly sanitized.. how perfect for anything to just hang out on that tube and wait for your hands to come back. Maybe we should all just wear wet-suits from now on...LOL
itcher

Australia

#8 Jul 30, 2011
hahahaaa yep i agree as i said to my partner im the one washing all the stuff could be reinfesting myself over and over,i am constanly on scabie allert all fricken day some are good others not so good! good luck id invest in some neem, go to www.scabieskiller.com and have a look ok tell me what you think!
itcher

Australia

#9 Jul 30, 2011
if you have not been infested long id try permethrine treatment as my partner had great results from it so did my parents but they have not had it as long,well thats what i recon anyway,im sure im sure im the mother ship here.

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#10 Jul 30, 2011
Poor itcher sorry that you have been struggling for so long with this. I feel pretty good today. Tried an experiment. I have about 10 itchy spots total mostly on arms/legs. Decided to put acne cream on left side spots and cortizone on right side to see which one was better. The acne cream worked so well dried them right up and don't feel a thing now. Cortizone felt good for 5 min still looked bad and itched.
Today my head is still itchy off/on but I have to remember that is normal for me as most shampoo bothers my skin normally. Also back on my antihistamines. Products on the site look good thanks!
Loved that last anti-itch spray with the neem.
itcher

Perth, Australia

#11 Jul 30, 2011
awwww thanks harm i feel for you to it fricken sucks glad you feel good today though,i always bath in neem after shower as it covers your whole body i have this idea in my head that eventually they will die out with treatments and neem,have to try think positive or ill cry all day :)good luck and keep in touch,let us know how you go xxx try not to use cortizone i have been told its bad for you and from long term use i got hair on my chin that bad i had to get lazer treatment to be rid of it! hate it hate it hate it!
harmony

Auburn, MA

#12 Jul 31, 2011
itcher wrote:
hahahaaa yep i agree as i said to my partner im the one washing all the stuff could be reinfesting myself over and over,i am constanly on scabie allert all fricken day some are good others not so good! good luck id invest in some neem, go to www.scabieskiller.com and have a look ok tell me what you think!
Going to try something else...reading about yeast infections that manifest many ways including extremely itchy skin/rashes. So less sugar more probiotics say in yogurt should help. Tricky because most of my favorite foods are sugar based even vegetables like beets, sweet potatoes. Worth a try for a few weeks anyway. Also no carbs breads/potatoes because turns to sugar. Mostly protein/ vegetable diet. Never tried a low carb diet before because I've been mostly vegetarian and rely on carbs instead of meat...so off to have my eggs for breakfast and steak for dinner when I would rather have a bagel and pasta. I think thats why so many people are wanting gluten free everything because they notice that cutting it out helps a lot of skin symptoms. Maybe its all just yeast which can also be very contagious. If you are female you know what I mean.
itcher

Perth, Australia

#13 Jul 31, 2011
yes we are all obviously reading the same things,i know i have scabies as i gave it to my mum and dad but they have got rid of it! people dont believe my story that i have been living with this for 12 years or more actually and its only cause they think i should have pussy ooozy sores or some disgusting rash and only got worse when started treating it! i have had my hands in bleach every day since i was a mum annd they look on my hands for evidence lol getting appointment tomorrow hopefully walking in there demanding a skin scrape soon as he has positive results im demanding ivermectin for all three of my family,i do believe my partner dont need it as he has great results with the permethrine but just incase! if you dont have a diagnosis then really you dont know what you have,people think they have them and they have had bird lice or something! THATS RIGHT,I READ ABOUT YEAST when ordering my oragano oil to take orraly lol im doing that too im doing it all! i hopr you dont have them matey!
harmony

Auburn, MA

#15 Jul 31, 2011
If they would do a skin scrape I'd get one...not going to happen because I was told by 3 doctors now "no"and you have read these forums from years back has anyone said scrape confirmed it? Everyone here including docs are all guessing and putting on more products. Lot's of panic and anxiety too.(which is understandable because you just want itch to go away) Could be allergies to all the chemicals around us that would explain family members etc. You share common environment and have similar reactions.
My plan now is to go back to what I know for sure. Whatever you focus on persists. So I'm going to focus on optimal health/diet/rest/exercise/fun/ music/art/spiritural/yoga balance everything... no fear of any 1 thing...stay positive that all will be well. Very New Age of me eh? Taking a rest from this forum
for a while too. Thinking about it too much is not helping at all. So take care. I'll check back in a few weeks with an update.:))
UnhappySoul

Vancouver, Canada

#16 Jul 31, 2011
Ylang Ylang oil, which is natural and should be safe for the general population, should be put on everyone that has a skin condition.
That is what its been know for when it originated in the Filipino plants.

Guess what, the substances in that oil kill scabies!
Many More Mites Than 12

Fullerton, CA

#17 Jul 31, 2011
Annie wrote:
I would urge you to get testing. But, you need to know that a negative test doesn't mean you don't have scabies.
Typically, a person only has 10-12 mites on the body; the chances of the doctor scraping just the right spot to find them is relatively low.
The places where you see bumps are not necessarily the places where the scabies are today - they may have moved on. The bumps are debris they leave behind.
Many people who have scabies do not have visible burrows.
I agree with you that most tests come back negative for one reason or another, but with resistant scabies, the number of mites on your body can be over 200 at one time.
Bumps can also mean that there is a burrow there with lives mites and eggs and larvae, at all stages.
I would ask the doc to take a scraping from a place that has had recent activity, biting, itching, redness, a "bump;" those are the motel 6's.
itcher

Perth, Australia

#18 Jul 31, 2011
ill be getting some today to mix with my neem mix!
itcher

Perth, Australia

#19 Jul 31, 2011
I have an appointment tomorrow afternoon,i will be having a scrape test and i wont be showering that day either so if those frickin critters are still on me he should pick something up! i need this.
harmony

Auburn, MA

#20 Aug 12, 2011
Well my latest news is not scabies but something called "swimmers itch". When I saw the pic of the rash finally exact pimple like bumps we have. These are snail parasites that cause a rash for a few weeks in allergic people. Since I stopped swimming in local lake it has gone away after 2 weeks. Doc says important to dry off well after swimming because they burrow in wet skin. World-wide it is a huge problem...but I'm reassured that in North America variety will not cause ongoing issues.(CDC) I wonder how many other people here have this and think its scabies or poison ivy as we were told.
D Ann P

Lafayette, LA

#21 Aug 12, 2011
I moved into my first home and the first night I slept here, I felt something crawling all over me and biting me. The bite felt like a pin prick. I woke up with red bites on my face and other areas of my body. It's been two months now and I still feel them crawling on me and biting me. At first, I couldn't see anything, then I began to occasionally find either a very tiny white or black speck. A couple of times, when I had the speck on my finger tips, I actually "saw" it burrow into the skin in my finger, leaving a little red dot where it entered. Now I understand where the red dots all over my body are from. They've been multiplying over the past several weeks. I have them on my arms, chest, abdomen, legs and feet. These mites get into my nose, ears, eyelashes/eyelids and even my lipes and inside my mouth. I know they have gotten into my mouth because I feel the pin-prick bites on my tongue and have little bumps on the inside of my lips. I'm also embarrassed to say that they have gotten into anus and vagina as well. A couple of times, they have even crawled into the vagina as well, as I could feel them crawling up inside of me and my abdomen began contracting and spasming -- as if my body was reacting to this parasite inside of me.

I went to a dermatologist who did not do a skin scraping, but told me there was some kind of microsopic mite infestations going around. She gave me Permethrin creme. I asked her if she was going to test me to see what kind of mite it was, but she said it wasn't necessary because the Permethrin would kill whatever it was. However, she also said that the mites are becoming immuned to Permethrin. I tried it, but it did not get rid of them. They were still biting me.

I read about Cedarcide Best Yet -- nontoxic product made with cedar oil -- and ordered some along with a fogger. I have a chronic pain illness so I am unable to fog my house myself, but hopefully I can pay someone to do it. You can use the Best Yet spray on your body, your pets and everything in your house. I have been spraying it on myself and notice that they stop biting when I do. It seems to wear off after a while, though, and then they start biting again.

I too have noticed that I get bitten on the bottoms of my feet when I walk barefoot in the kitchen, bathroom, and carpeted rooms. I even get bitten on the bottom of my feet in the shower. I also get bitten on the palms of my hands and my fingers when I touch something that they are on -- like the curtains, etc.

I wish now that I had not kept the carpets when I moved into the house. Instead of getting new carpets -- which I couldn't afford -- I got Stanley Steamer to steam clean them. Live and learn.

I may end up having to go in quarantine myself to get rid of these things while I pay someone to rip out the carpets and fumigate my house. Still, Orkin or the other companies refuse to fumigate until they can determine what type of mite it is and so far they have not been able to. Of course, they did not send the samples I gave them to an entomologist, and I've read that with some of these mites, the only way you can see them is to use a very high-powered microscope, take a digital image of the blown up slide and then blow up the digital image on a computer using imaging software like Photoshop. No wonder nobody has been able to see these. They don't have the proper equipment to do so.

I know I'm not crazy, because my brother has been bitten at my house too when he was here visiting. He would wake up with bites around his eyes just like I do and felt itchy all the time when he was here.

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