Advice please: Work infestation? Iver...

Advice please: Work infestation? Ivermectin? Fumigation?

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GoingMental

Beirut, Lebanon

#1 Mar 15, 2010
Hello all,

Firstly, I would like to thank you all for your good advice on this forum. I am only two weeks afflicted, but the itching is driving me crazy and already affecting my personal and work life in ways I never imagined possible. I do however have the following questions:

I assume I have contracted some form of mites - I am going back to the dermatologist next week, who put me on an anti-histamine and some topical ointment (Fusicort) in order to treat the severe itching and 'redness'(it doesn't seem to be working). However, my dermatologist advised me to have my house fumigated, which happens tomorrow. However, when the 'bug inspector' came over he said I have bed bugs. However, I said I wanted my whole house sprayed for everything, which they said they would do (I live in a country with few laws in this regard). My question is this: is there any point in having my house fumigated?

Secondly, I think there is an infestation at my office. Two of my colleagues have it, one who has now taken it back with her to another country. In the event that I get my house treated, and undergo some more effective personal treatments, is it all in vain if we don't get the office done? I have purchased Windex and alcohol and spray my work area frequently.

Thirdly, I see that Ivermictin has been somewhat succwsful in ridding one of these bugs. What is the situation with taking this if the office has not been 'cleared'? Is it in vain? If I take it, does this clear up the bites for good or can they start again? I was thinking of suggesting to m quack that I take Ivermictin and then bathe in Arm and Hammer (if they have it where I live)?

Any advice in regard to the above would be greatly appreciated. The red marks left by the bugs are making me self conscious, I appear to be overridden with them - from a few bites a day I now appear to have my whole body covered in them and can feel them in my hair and on my face. It is TERRIBLE.

Any help would be appreciated. I am trying to remain positive about this, and realise I am a new sufferer, but my hope is that I can 'nip this in the bud' if it isn't already too late.
GoingMental

Beirut, Lebanon

#2 Mar 15, 2010
Ps. I think I had a bite that felt almost like a sting - is that possible or is it my imagination?

My girlfriend (who often sleeps in my same bed) isn't getting bitten - is this an indicator of anything?

Sorry for all the questions ...

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#3 Mar 17, 2010
Going mental,
It sounds like you have some kind of environmental mite. Does your office have a rodent or bird infestation? If so, it has to be taken care of first. Can the office landlord spray for bugs? If you don't want to complain of mites, maybe you could all complain about roaches. Many roach products work well on this. If not, can you sneak some bug spray? If you can't get professional products, a bug spray with lambda cyalothrin can be effective. One that we have in the US is Hot Shot ant and Roach. If there is ivermectin in your system, the bugs that bite you will die, but if your environment is infested you will keep getting bitten.
ouchiemama

United States

#4 Mar 17, 2010
Sounds like you have scabies not bed bugs. I am fairly sure you can see bed bugs or their nest area near your bed. I saw them on a exterminator show and they seemed fairly obvious like very small beetles.

Mites/Scabies are practically invisible and cause that redness and itching that seems almost airborne. They will also give you those random pin pricks while i believe bed bugs do not, they only feed at night. Scabies will also give you tiny skin penetrated red dots where they burrowed while i believe bed bugs bites are much bigger and i think you bleed sometimes.

As for cures i have tried many of the ones listed here and many do not work imo. Ivermectrin was the most immediate cure but it is very short term. It seems to me it only lasts 1-2 days max and as you do it more it becomes less effective. I haven't tried a heavy dose of it and only recommended doses for my weight but others have reported more success from overdosing on Iver. Biosilk is too much work and you need the help of someone else to rub your whole body and even then i can't see how that is anything more than a spot treatment. Deamtrious Earth did not work for me, only deter them, and was only a temporary relief if i rubbed it over my body. The Arm and Hammer cure i have only bathed once but it is no more effective than a bleach bath, or a good shower for that matter. At the mix quantities people are recommending it also leaves a film of detergent unless you wash it off after bathing but at that point you might as well just be showering with a coarse rag and soap.

My next attempt is going to be the pure tea tree oil at a high concentration with Ivermectrin horse paste. I will be trying this in about a week once i get my tea tree oil.

It is very possible my environment is reinfecting me through heating ducts or computer vents, anywhere that blows hot air. I seem to get the red itchy bites whenever i turn on the heat or any hot air vent machines in work areas but it is very difficult to clean that. I am hoping using both an internal and external treatment will be a cureall for environmental reinfection as well nested mites and eggs.
GoingMental

Beirut, Lebanon

#5 Mar 17, 2010
Many thanks itchygirl - I have actually asked the person in charge of the building maintenance to arrange fumigation of the office. In the mean time I am applying liberal amounts of alcohol spray / Windex to my work area. I read on another post that this works pretty well - do you know if thats the case? Would it be possible that the infection has been spread through our office person-to-person?

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#6 Mar 17, 2010
Going Mental ,it could be very helpful to me and others to know what the building maintenance people use to fumigate your office and what was used to treat your house.
I'm coming to the conclusion that I have birdmites and not scabies and I think that may be true in your case as you say...'I think I had a bite that felt almost like a sting'.
I experience this often, it can be very painful.
I'm no authority on any of this but I haven't read any positively diagnosed scabies sufferers posts which describe their 'bites' in similar terms.
Hope the steps you're taking are successful.
GoingMental

Beirut, Lebanon

#7 Mar 17, 2010
Thanks Ouchiemama and and BenG1 - there is a very good thread on this site by someone named Progress. Very scientific and thorough explanation as to how he got rid of his itching.
My home gets fumigated tomorrow. Not sure what they will use, but I live in Lebanon where they tend to be a little more hardcore with things like pesticides. I will ask what they use and report.
BenG1 - the post by Progress refers to 'pinpricks' that occur when the mites are 'tunneling'. I wonder if this isn't the slight sting that we describe?
I'm feeling more positive about this since I saw that quite a few people get over this. I am still suffering some of the social effects of this in that my girlfriend is slightly freaked by my situation. I tend not to want to go out at night now as I look forward to coming home,'sanitising' and then having an itch relieving bath. I only hope that this isn't a work infestation and that as I am trying to treat it early on I can catch it. I have also got my pharmacist to order me Tea Tree Oil (very expensive, but worth it).
buggie

United States

#8 Mar 20, 2010
Tea tree oil is nice but I've only heard secondhand report one girl cured herself with it.
The exterminator must have seen bedbugs yes??
Please read www.cedarcidestore.com
Fogging air vents and heating ducts with best yet by cedarcide works and isn't toxic. Maybe hard to buy from lebanon...hey they have famous cedars there!
GoingMental

Beirut, Lebanon

#9 Mar 20, 2010
Hey Buggie - I don't think the exterminator saw bed bugs so much as simply decided that it was the only reasonable culprit (he didn't show them to me, and I thoroughly inspected the mattress after he left and saw none of the tell-tale signs such as small 'blood spots' from where you cruch them when you sleep, tiny visible black spots in the corners of one's bed etc.) Its also telling that two people at work appeared to get the same symptoms as I did - something that apparently doesn't happen with bed bugs (fyi they were only visiting and took their bites back to Europe with them). Further, I moved to my spare room (with a brand new mattress) and the bites continued. That said, I had the place fumigated and it seems to have taken care of a bit of cockroach problem I was having, so perhaps not a total waste of money.

As for my symptoms, once I realised I wasn't getting an alergic reaction to mosquito bites (which I haven't had in the few years that I have lived here), and realised that I may have scabies I have been careful to spray with Windex (work station and at home), change my clothes after work, bath before bed (with a mix of Listerine - I read this somewhere, and bath oils) etc. I now have far fewer bites, but still feel itchiness and seem to get bit around my fingers and the backs of my knees and biceps. I'm not sure if I have caught this early and am getting some results from preventative care or if it some stage in the little b*sards life cycles, but I have a follow up appointment with the dermatologist on Monday and will ask whether he thinks its worth taking some Iver and possibly a topical scapicide. I also feel itching in my scalp but am wondering how much of this is real or psychological.

But thanks for the advice - will definitely look into it.
GoingMental

Beirut, Lebanon

#10 Mar 29, 2010
Hey - a little advice please.

I went to see my dermatologist last week, and he told me that it is simply an unidentified insect that is biting me and that I do not have scabies. When I explained that I found it a little odd that I was being constantly bitten by unseen bugs that managed to bite me in the folds of my fingers, my elbow and behind my arm and bicep he remarked that ‘my skin must just get used to this and (I) will be ok’. He also asked whether I had bites in my groin area, and when I said not he then said that it is definitely not scabies. He also told me that what I was doing to my skin (spraying with Listerine in the shower and using generous amounts of alcohol on my hands and some of the sores). He also didn’t seem convinced when I told him that two of my colleagues had picked also been receiving strange bites, and that the bites had followed them back to Europe. I left the office believing that much of this must be in my head.
Anyway, its been a week and I am basically not treating anything. Where I was completely covered in bites when this thing first hit, I now receive far fewer. I still get about one to two bits on my hands per day, my belly button seems red and irritated (although I can’t really identify a bite per se), I have a bite in the fold of each of my arms (not sure if it’s the same unhealing bite or new one(s)) and behind my knees and on my inner thigh and bicep. All in all I would say I have about 4 to 10 bites, which doesn’t seem like a lot compared to other people’s stories, and while I do feel that ‘crawly’ feeling in my head and on my face I don’t get it constantly. I am also able to sleep with relative ease.

So, my question is this: are my symptoms consistent with scabies? I should point out that my dermatologist hasn’t even properly examined my bites (I am a foreigner in Lebanon and wondered if this wasn’t just the way dermatologist do their business over here). I don’t appear to be severely affected but I definitely get bites, which are certainly not my imagination.
Another thing is that I am trying to get hold of some tea tree oil (very expensive and hard to come by over here), which I was hoping would take care of it all. I am also going away for the Easter vacation and was hoping that the house would clear itself in that week and I will try not to take any possibly contaminated clothing with me by separating it now in bags after spraying alcohol.

Re-reading this, I wonder if I am not perhaps becoming slightly obsessive compulsive in regard to this issue.

Since: Mar 10

Avon, NY

#12 Mar 29, 2010
Going Mental--be careful with what you do... With the first realization of a possible mite problem, we want to do anything and everything to get rid of it... Don't overdo on pesticides... They really are as dangerous as they say... neurotoxins that could have reprecussions later in life.. Don't buy from Thunder Bay and all the other 'we promise 24-hour relief' type internet sites. In my opinion, washing your clothes and bed linens is real important, don't bleach yourself etc... you'll get hurt yourself... but do shower at least daily. I've found tea tree oil helpful. Maybe permetrin 5% cream...I've had two treatments and think it helped... The itching stays for awhile so it's difficult to tell. Good luck. Sandy
buggie

United States

#13 Mar 29, 2010
Alchohol ruined my car interior. I sprayed it 92% heavily on my infested carpet it did nothing. 70% Strips skin of natural protection. Bleach ruined my clothes and shoes. I don't use either items anymore.

It sounds like scabies to me.
GoingMental

Beirut, Lebanon

#14 Apr 7, 2010
Thanks for the advice Buggie and Sankirk42. I now have a new dilemma:

I tried to get Tea Tree Oil, but in Lebanon they only sell it by the 500ml, which over here costs US$800. In the circumstances I have decided not to buy it as that is a tad on the expensive side. However, they tell my that over here they treat scabies with Gamma Benzen Hexachloride which costs very little per 100ml's.

Anyway, I Googled it and established that it is used to treat scabies but the Wikipedia page (on which it is referred to as Lindine) refers to a number of health concerns linked to using it. Specifically, it may be carcinogen. Admittedly, it states that this isn't conclusive and that the health problems tended to be present in those people who worked with it as a pesticide.

Anyway, as I mentioned in my earlier post I am being bitten far less than I was when I initially got this problem: I now get perhaps 5 bites a day. I'm wondering - is it worth treating myself with Lindine? Also, if I do treat myself with it, do I need to apply it to my whole body, or does one only treat the 'bite' areas?
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#15 Apr 7, 2010
GoingMental wrote:
Thanks for the advice Buggie and Sankirk42. I now have a new dilemma:
I tried to get Tea Tree Oil, but in Lebanon they only sell it by the 500ml, which over here costs US$800. In the circumstances I have decided not to buy it as that is a tad on the expensive side. However, they tell my that over here they treat scabies with Gamma Benzen Hexachloride which costs very little per 100ml's.
Anyway, I Googled it and established that it is used to treat scabies but the Wikipedia page (on which it is referred to as Lindine) refers to a number of health concerns linked to using it. Specifically, it may be carcinogen. Admittedly, it states that this isn't conclusive and that the health problems tended to be present in those people who worked with it as a pesticide.
Anyway, as I mentioned in my earlier post I am being bitten far less than I was when I initially got this problem: I now get perhaps 5 bites a day. I'm wondering - is it worth treating myself with Lindine? Also, if I do treat myself with it, do I need to apply it to my whole body, or does one only treat the 'bite' areas?
Lindane is a full body treatment. I have heard that it is not advised to use it any more often than once every 7 days and for only a couple of applications.
Gia

Toronto, Canada

#16 Mar 1, 2011
Hi,
I began itching at the beginning of December after a neighbor of mine was treated for bed bugs...they treated my place too! I had no problems prior to the treatment. It was about a week and a half after the fumigation that my body began to be bitten by something. I had pest control return and they confirmed no bed bugs! they sprayed again. Still the biting and itching continues. I have done two treatments of Permethrin to no avail. I have used pure Tea Tree oil and crean also to know avail. I see the mites falling or dashing from my walls, ceiling floors etc. there are black peppery looking grains around. I suggested after much research to pest control that these were bird mites! I was laughed at and shot down!!! Pest control was in today again to treat...they said it is cluster flies??? I don't know what they are...all I know is that they hurt when they bite, I itch afterward and break out in rashes. I have heard that scabies comes from physical contact...I haven't so much as hugged anyone in two years! There are two things that I have found that help to atleast relieve the itch and remove some eggs and bugs from my body atleast temporarily. Goats milk soap with oatmeal and borax! And as soon as I get a bite I digg out the spot where I have been bitten. I feel the crawliles all over my face hands legs feet butt and head! After spraying today the mites are stillactive and droppiing from walls ceililng etc. I''m going to iinvestigate the sulfur products that I have been told about but not the ones online as I don't have a credit card. I think my local health food store carries the creams and soaps. It's been two months and I feel like I'm losing my mind!!!!
Gia

Hamilton, Canada

#17 Mar 2, 2011
Gia wrote:
Hi,
I began itching at the beginning of December after a neighbor of mine was treated for bed bugs...they treated my place too! I had no problems prior to the treatment. It was about a week and a half after the fumigation that my body began to be bitten by something. I had pest control return and they confirmed no bed bugs! they sprayed again. Still the biting and itching continues. I have done two treatments of Permethrin to no avail. I have used pure Tea Tree oil and crean also to know avail. I see the mites falling or dashing from my walls, ceiling floors etc. there are black peppery looking grains around. I suggested after much research to pest control that these were bird mites! I was laughed at and shot down!!! Pest control was in today again to treat...they said it is cluster flies??? I don't know what they are...all I know is that they hurt when they bite, I itch afterward and break out in rashes. I have heard that scabies comes from physical contact...I haven't so much as hugged anyone in two years! There are two things that I have found that help to atleast relieve the itch and remove some eggs and bugs from my body atleast temporarily. Goats milk soap with oatmeal and borax! And as soon as I get a bite I digg out the spot where I have been bitten. I feel the crawliles all over my face hands legs feet butt and head! After spraying today the mites are stillactive and droppiing from walls ceililng etc. I''m going to iinvestigate the sulfur products that I have been told about but not the ones online as I don't have a credit card. I think my local health food store carries the creams and soaps. It's been two months and I feel like I'm losing my mind!!!!
Oh, I forgot to add, that my grand mother used to feed all of us Goats milk soup with oatmeal and borax every day for breakfast. We are all very healthy. For dinner, she would add a bit of turpentine and pine sol to our cabagge. Yum
Gio

Montebello, CA

#18 Oct 9, 2011
Guys I feel your pain! I just got back from a trip to ny and 2 weeks later boom! Hell! I can't stop itching and everyone in my house thinks i'm nuts when I say I can feel them moving! The dr who made the initial diagnosis perscribed the permertherin or whatever two treatments and nada! The bites feel like sharp pin pricks and they are incessant. I see the black spots when I lather myself with sulfer 10% no lotion. It brings the mites to the surface and then I can wipe them off and they look like pepper. Who here is also seeing thread like fibers sometimes? I know it's not lint because I can literally feel it coming from my pores. Please tell me I am not mad! Ppl at my house are about ready to commit me and worse refuse to get tested because they are asymptoatic.ahhhhh!!!!
Gia wrote:
Hi,
I began itching at the beginning of December after a neighbor of mine was treated for bed bugs...they treated my place too! I had no problems prior to the treatment. It was about a week and a half after the fumigation that my body began to be bitten by something. I had pest control return and they confirmed no bed bugs! they sprayed again. Still the biting and itching continues. I have done two treatments of Permethrin to no avail. I have used pure Tea Tree oil and crean also to know avail. I see the mites falling or dashing from my walls, ceiling floors etc. there are black peppery looking grains around. I suggested after much research to pest control that these were bird mites! I was laughed at and shot down!!! Pest control was in today again to treat...they said it is cluster flies??? I don't know what they are...all I know is that they hurt when they bite, I itch afterward and break out in rashes. I have heard that scabies comes from physical contact...I haven't so much as hugged anyone in two years! There are two things that I have found that help to atleast relieve the itch and remove some eggs and bugs from my body atleast temporarily. Goats milk soap with oatmeal and borax! And as soon as I get a bite I digg out the spot where I have been bitten. I feel the crawliles all over my face hands legs feet butt and head! After spraying today the mites are stillactive and droppiing from walls ceililng etc. I''m going to iinvestigate the sulfur products that I have been told about but not the ones online as I don't have a credit card. I think my local health food store carries the creams and soaps. It's been two months and I feel like I'm losing my mind!!!!
Sarah

Henderson, NV

#19 Sep 11, 2012
I can recommend a reputable pharmacy (Ivermectin) http://www.7-rx.com/catalog/Antibiotics/Strom... I received the order and it was on time and the pills work great.
leb2015

Beirut, Lebanon

#20 Jun 14, 2015
GoingMental wrote:
Thanks for the advice Buggie and Sankirk42. I now have a new dilemma:
I tried to get Tea Tree Oil, but in Lebanon they only sell it by the 500ml, which over here costs US$800. In the circumstances I have decided not to buy it as that is a tad on the expensive side. However, they tell my that over here they treat scabies with Gamma Benzen Hexachloride which costs very little per 100ml's.
Anyway, I Googled it and established that it is used to treat scabies but the Wikipedia page (on which it is referred to as Lindine) refers to a number of health concerns linked to using it. Specifically, it may be carcinogen. Admittedly, it states that this isn't conclusive and that the health problems tended to be present in those people who worked with it as a pesticide.
Anyway, as I mentioned in my earlier post I am being bitten far less than I was when I initially got this problem: I now get perhaps 5 bites a day. I'm wondering - is it worth treating myself with Lindine? Also, if I do treat myself with it, do I need to apply it to my whole body, or does one only treat the 'bite' areas?
Dear "Going Mental",
How are you now? Please let me know if you successfully cleared the bird mites.

It has been a week now and I have the same issues. But I am sure it is bird mites. The bugs came in from the kitchen window and later we found a nest with a dead baby bird above our AC unit close to the kitchen window.
I am the only one in the family affected by these pests. Crawling, itching feeling, some bites at night. I am washing the sheets daily, taking showers before I sleep and in the morning. I place vicks under my nostril and a minty lip balm. I also use a lotion and add drops of the tea tree oil to my body lotion. Vacuum the bed and floor daily. I keep the bed room dry with the ac. Still trying to get rid of the bugs...
Went to a dermatologist and she said it was stress...Uhggggg!

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