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Slomo

Fall River, MA

#1 Dec 1, 2006
Seems like a good idea to separate this out also.
If you found a good reference, article etc. post it here.
intended to be a strating point for those who want to have first-hand info and derive their own conclusions.

please classify the link as "bulletin board post" or "medical literature. old" or "public health bulletin, US, recent" ( mark the country). Or whatever other useful classification you can think of. This is just a suggestion to make it easier for others to scan, when looking for a specific type article.
Slomo

Fall River, MA

#2 Dec 1, 2006
Here is a link to a recent US public health manual from Michigan, the famous JEN scabies manual. One of the best summaries of basic scabies knowledge.

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/scabies_man...
antimite

Fall River, MA

#3 Dec 3, 2006
A good up-to-date scabies article, by an Australian group.
Aussie doctors seem to have a lot of experience in this area because it is prevalent in their indigenous population.
Important highlight: they recommend treating the scalp.

http://pmj.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/80/945/38...
Mary

Pompano Beach, FL

#4 Dec 3, 2006
Gosh, they didn't mention anything about Lysol killing the mites in that article. just kidding antimite. It's a good read, though.
antimite wrote:
A good up-to-date scabies article, by an Australian group.
Aussie doctors seem to have a lot of experience in this area because it is prevalent in their indigenous population.
Important highlight: they recommend treating the scalp.
http://pmj.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/80/945/38...
Nina from MANCHESTER UK

Woking, UK

#5 Dec 3, 2006
antimite wrote:
A good up-to-date scabies article, by an Australian group.
Aussie doctors seem to have a lot of experience in this area because it is prevalent in their indigenous population.
Important highlight: they recommend treating the scalp.
http://pmj.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/80/945/38...
I definitely had it on my scalp and eyelids (maybe because I rub my eyes a lot and fiddle with my scalp) I think this ambiguous advice about heads is ridiculous. O.K. scabies prefer areas other than the scalp but they do go there sometimes and its time the pharmaceutical and medical establishments caught up with the facts. I work as a nurse and i remember years ago when I worked in a drug rehab, a guy was admitted and I did the usual physical checks which involved the patient being naked. He had a rash on the side of his face and it looked just like scabies. Of course I was on high alert for scabies and thought we should do a treatment on him just in case. I was overruled by my colleagues and so he wasn't treated. Of course a couple of weeks later after it had spread over him and he had passed it on to several other people, everyone agreed it was scabies. Since then I've told this account to loads of medical/nursing colleagues to try to spread the truth and get people to think outside the box!
antimite

Fall River, MA

#6 Dec 4, 2006
Hello There,

I think the intent for this thread was to just have it as a place for literature, so when someone wants to do their own research, they do not have to search hudreds of posts in a busy thread to find the references.

It is great that you all post, your posts are very valuable.

I was thinking it would be better to have the discussions and feedback in the other threads.
Maybe it would be useful to keep this thread short, and mostly for actual links and resources?

We could create another thread "Feedback on articles" and
provide a link to the discussed page here,
Mary

Pompano Beach, FL

#7 Dec 8, 2006
Here is a good link from the American Academy of Dermatology. It explains it in layman's terms and is easy to understand. There is alot of good information here. Hopefully, this link will work. Mary
http://www.aad.org/public/Publications/pamphl...
Mary

Pompano Beach, FL

#8 Dec 8, 2006
Here is a link on giving Ivermectin to Llamas (Alpacas). I know that this is not about scabies, but it's a good read how people treat their Llamas with ivermectin. Alot of different threads here to read. Been there might be interested in this.
http://www.alpacanation.com/forum/search.asp...
http://www.alpacanation.com/forum/search.asp...
Mary

Pompano Beach, FL

#9 Dec 8, 2006
http://www.alpacanation.com/forum/search.asp...

I'm sorry, the link didn't work. You may have to be a member of the forum to view link. I am not sure
slayer

Fall River, MA

#10 Dec 9, 2006
Mary wrote:
Here is a link on giving Ivermectin to Llamas (Alpacas).
For Lamas or other thick-fur animals, topicals may be a not so good of a solution.

In fact, some of the posters on that board speak of giving a pour-on med orally.

Think of how much difficulty people here report when treating their scalp with any topicals.

Inevitably, a lot of the medication just ends up on the fur, where it may not do much good.

BTW For a cat, the topical ends up mostly oral anyhoo, as the cat just licks it off itself.

slayer

Fall River, MA

#11 Dec 9, 2006
Mary wrote:
Here is a good link from the American Academy of Dermatology. It explains it in layman's terms and is easy to understand. There is alot of good information here. Hopefully, this link will work. Mary
http://www.aad.org/public/Publications/pamphl...
The article is indeed coached in very simple terms, but in many ways the facts are either over-simplified or incorrect.
so I would not recommend trying to base any treatment protocol or decisions on this one.
For a good intro, I would recommend the JEN scabies manual instead. It is probably a tiniy bit harder read, but the info in it appears more through and accurate.

The basis of my opinion as to which article is more factually correct, is a fairly large body of research publications I managed to read through.
I give more credit to an experiment, or scientific observation published in a peer-reviewed journal, than
just and assertion that is thrown out without any supporting evidence or supporting argument.

E.g.:When i see an article in the "lancet" or BJD, which says " we have observed such-and such via stereo microscopy
during a 3 week period under the following conditions..."
I find that more credible than just a flat statement
(Quote from the AAD article):
"Larvae, or newly hatched mites, travel to the skin surface, lying in shallow pockets where they will develop into adult mites"

If someone wants to argue about the article I will be happy to post a blow-by-blow critique, but IMO this is a waste of time.
slayer

Fall River, MA

#12 Dec 9, 2006
Nina from MANCHESTER UK wrote:
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...try to spread the truth and get people to think outside the box!
Hey Nina,

There is a simplistic description of developing mite allergy in a like named thread. If you would be kind enough to critique and correct, that would be great.(esp. the correctness of histamine action and symptoms).

I think that understanding the histamine reaction caused sharp pin-pricks would be important in deciding when to start tapering off topical treatment.
scabicide

Fall River, MA

#13 Dec 9, 2006
here is a link to the army field dermatology manual. A bit dated, but gives a fairly complete list and description of various mites that can cause symptoms, including chiggers and non-digging animal mites
The interesting stuff is pages 183-186
http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/milmed/milderm....
scabicide

Fall River, MA

#14 Dec 9, 2006
Benzyl benzoate, what it is, lists various trade names of drugs containing...
http://www.cbwinfo.com/Biological/Vectors/Pes...
Larry

Seminole, TX

#15 Dec 9, 2006
http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/parasite/1997-Ma...

Good question and answer site about scabies....sorry nothing on lysol.
slomo

Fall River, MA

#16 Dec 10, 2006
Larry wrote:
http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/p arasite/1997-March/002068.html
Good question and answer site about scabies....sorry nothing on lysol.
Wow,

Finally, some strait talk by an expert. Great find, Larry.
A must read. I wonder if this guy posts on some mailing list.

I would love to have him answer my remaining 4 questios:

1) Do the mites drown when I take a bath?
2) How do eggs get on clothing or bedding (do they?)
3) Does Lysol kill them?
4) Can ivermetctin get leached out of the outer skin when taking a bath?
Larry

Seminole, TX

#17 Dec 10, 2006
slomo wrote:
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Wow,
Finally, some strait talk by an expert. Great find, Larry.
A must read. I wonder if this guy posts on some mailing list.
I would love to have him answer my remaining 4 questios:
1) Do the mites drown when I take a bath?
2) How do eggs get on clothing or bedding (do they?)
3) Does Lysol kill them?
4) Can ivermetctin get leached out of the outer skin when taking a bath?
Slomo,

His email address is in the website: Richard.Speare at jcu.edu .au
Try writing him those questions. Include 5) what would happen if the demodex mites were destroyed? Would they try to repopulate, hence giving us the crawling sensations on the face and scalp?
Larry

Seminole, TX

#18 Dec 10, 2006
Slomo, N/M..I emailed him those questions myself. Will post if I hear anything.
Mary

United States

#19 Dec 11, 2006
I don't have much use for topical ivermectin and/or topical dectomax. There was just a lot of discussion there about ivermectin, not so much topical ivermectin. just forget about the pour on for now, slomo. I am not using it. Yes, you are right about cats, they will lick it off themselves. If you are going to give a cat, a topical revolution, it would have to be very close to their shoulder blades, so they cannot reach around and lick right in that area. I am hoping Larry can get some information for us. Those are some good questions you have for the experts.
slayer wrote:
<quoted text>
For Lamas or other thick-fur animals, topicals may be a not so good of a solution.
In fact, some of the posters on that board speak of giving a pour-on med orally.
Think of how much difficulty people here report when treating their scalp with any topicals.
Inevitably, a lot of the medication just ends up on the fur, where it may not do much good.
BTW For a cat, the topical ends up mostly oral anyhoo, as the cat just licks it off itself.
Been There

United States

#20 Dec 11, 2006
For pet owners and others interested in information on products used to kill and control parasites on pets.

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm...

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