bleach bath recommended by dermatologist
THE PFIZER PROTOCOL

Amstenrade, Netherlands

#87 May 6, 2010
The PFIZER BLEACH BATH PROTOCOL can be found on page 5 of the Case report. Read also the first article on page 1.

What you probably suffer from is the infection with a particular strain of Staphylococcus Aureus.

Infection with this strain will cause about 99% identical symptoms as is the case with a scabies or lice like infestation.
Crawling and biting!

Quite probably the genes that are responsible for it's very high resistance are initially harbored on e-coli.

The epidemic spread of a wide series pathogens has started about 2000, and has peeked in 2004/2005, as far as it concerns Staphylococcus Aureus.

The scientist (doctors are scientist too) have decided not to treat and let the epidemic spread burn out.

(Except when the infection becomes life threatening.)

The mortality rate in the EU in 2005 was 25000, and in the US 18000.

What you people fight is microbial resistance.

Standard treatment would be 2X application with Permithrin, and than continue to treat as a SECONDARY INFECTION for Staphylococcus Aureus.

The PFIZER BLEACH BATH PROTOCOL is the only rational chance to reach a so called de-colonization.

Alternative you could try out a long series visit to the public swimming pool. The chlorine used in a swimming pool is often Chlorine Dioxide, actually a gas that may not be transported because it is explosive above about 10 to 15 percent. Ask a technician if chlorine dioxide is used as an antiseptic.

Some say that if the economy does not support a big number of people, that than the disease causing factor will go up.

The type infection you suffer from, will always be interpreted as an environmental issue.

Cheers!
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#88 May 7, 2010
check out this video about MRSA.
I was looking for any information about it creating a biting feeling on the skin.
http://www.badspiderbites.com/mrsa-methicilli...
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#89 May 7, 2010
Geri Nurse wrote:
I got scabies a couple of weeks ago from my patients. I had no idea they're scabies because we were told by the unit managers that they're just rashes. The truth is, they were just in denial because they didn't want to treat the patients right away. Now, even the staff have scabies.
I started with Permethrin cream last saturday and didn't see positive results. I noticed that I have more burrows now after the treatment. I don't have the classic sign of intense itching which makes me wonder why, but I can definitely feel the scabies crawling on my skin. Is this a sign? Do any of you feel the same way? I have tried bathing in bleach water (2 cups of bleach + 40 gal of water) today only for 4 minutes. I think I put too much bleach and not a lot of time in the water. I will try it again tomorrow. This time, 1/2 cup of bleach with 40 gal of water for 20 minutes. I will post the results here soon.
Geri Nurse: If your mites are resistant to permethrin, then the next step is stromectol/ivermectin. This med has worked for many on this forum. Another treatment is Benzyl Benzoate. You may need a few more treatments of permethrin. If you have any time, check out some of the threads on this forum. Yes, I feel the "creepy crawlies," especially when the lights go out at night and you are laying there nice and still. then they start the mating process of leaving their borrows, finding a mate, burrowing. It is their way of surviving on you.
Geri Nurse

Merced, CA

#90 May 10, 2010
Joe wrote:
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Geri Nurse: If your mites are resistant to permethrin, then the next step is stromectol/ivermectin. This med has worked for many on this forum. Another treatment is Benzyl Benzoate. You may need a few more treatments of permethrin. If you have any time, check out some of the threads on this forum. Yes, I feel the "creepy crawlies," especially when the lights go out at night and you are laying there nice and still. then they start the mating process of leaving their borrows, finding a mate, burrowing. It is their way of surviving on you.
I tried the bleach bath 2 times, and it didn't work for me unfortunately. I just had my second application of permethrin. I am not sure, if the mites are fully extinguished this time. Some of my patients are taking Ivermectin. I will ask my doctor if I can get a prescription.
Advise

Amstenrade, Netherlands

#91 May 10, 2010
"I tried the bleach bath 2 times"
The Pfizer protocol indicates 5 day's, but fact is that you may have to continue for up to 30 day's. Read also that decolonization would require nasal mupirocin (bactroban)
Note: Alternative T tree oil is used to decolonize the nasal passage.
If dry skin occurs adjust the amount of chlorine, or switch to the daily regime of using a public swimming pool.
Probably you will have to fight this type condition over prolonged period.
Think about 6 to 24 month's.
Select on MRSA active wash lotion or skin products.
(surgical scrub) Select also on products that claim not to increase resistance.
Cheers!
If microbiological skin scraping does not yield clear evidence of the presence of scabies, than treat as a SECONDARY infection with in particular
Staphylococcus Aureus
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#92 May 11, 2010
Advise wrote:
"I tried the bleach bath 2 times"
The Pfizer protocol indicates 5 day's, but fact is that you may have to continue for up to 30 day's. Read also that decolonization would require nasal mupirocin (bactroban)
Note: Alternative T tree oil is used to decolonize the nasal passage.
If dry skin occurs adjust the amount of chlorine, or switch to the daily regime of using a public swimming pool.
Probably you will have to fight this type condition over prolonged period.
Think about 6 to 24 month's.
Select on MRSA active wash lotion or skin products.
(surgical scrub) Select also on products that claim not to increase resistance.
Cheers!
If microbiological skin scraping does not yield clear evidence of the presence of scabies, than treat as a SECONDARY infection with in particular
Staphylococcus Aureus
bleach baths DO NOT cure scabies. sorry, charlie.
Ultra Violet

United States

#93 May 11, 2010
Joe wrote:
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bleach baths DO NOT cure scabies. sorry, charlie.
I did the 5 days of bleach bath soaks and found that it took all the hair off of my body (bald as a q ball).
Good thing I stuck with my ownrecommendations for my head and face or I wouldn't have hair or eyebrows.

This is a treatment for MRSA and What people are calling Morgellons (just another word for MRSA) and a very harsh one that pays no attention to what is going on inside your body.

UV
afflicted

Topeka, KS

#94 May 12, 2010
Patty;
I did the bleach baths but found that epson salt, baking soda and borax made me feel so much
better. The bleach baths dry you out so badly I think it makes the crawlies worse.
Dead Guy

Orlando, FL

#95 May 15, 2010
I bathed in lava. It really killed those scabies. And me.
kristen

Lebanon, OR

#96 May 29, 2010
k, so about a month or 6 wks ago, early april i think, me and my husband got the itchies. my daughter was treated for scabies in november, so i was able to get a refill for the permethrin we used then. her rash and itchies went away with the permethrin so im thinking she did have scabies. so when me and hubby got itchy, i thought id try permethrin just to be safe, but it didn't work, we both are very itchy 6 wks later. i have little rash bumps all over in random spots, he has no rash at all, just terribly itchy. it doesn't keep us awake at night tho. we don't have health insurance, so i'm reluctant to go to the doc only to be given permethrin which we already tried. i'm thinking about trying bleach baths, but any advice, anyone? we have 4 children, and only 1 of them gets a little itchy at times. i switched to all free and clear laundry soap, i was using purex. i bleach my sheets often and my house is clean. any advice or help would be appreciated, let me know what think this is!!
Robert

Sandy, UT

#97 May 29, 2010
I don't understand why everyone seems so confused about scabies or why it is so hard for some people to get rid of them. Are you all sure what you have is scabies? I've had it four times in my life. Each time it started as little itchy white bumps on my fingers/hands and spread from there. And each time I got it was from the ground/dirt. The last time I got it when I transplanted some tomatoes. I used a shovel of course, but touched the dirt with my hands when I put the plants in the ground. And even though I washed my hands good after coming in contact with the dirt, that's how/where I got it.(Why I don't wear gloves when I do stuff like that I don't know. Never would of got it if I had been wearing gloves!) And as far as I knew, other than person to person contact, that was about the only way to get it (from the ground). I've never heard of getting it from a toilet seat or touching some inanimate object or anything like that as some people have suggested. Nor have I ever heard that it takes weeks to show symptoms as some people have suggested. Each time I got it it only took a day or two for the symptoms to show.
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Anyhow, the first three times I got it I had health insurance, went to the doctor, got a prescription for kwell, and applied as directed. The scabies were gone within days, and they never returned. Now I unfortunately do not have health insurance. so, I am trying the A&H laudry detergent treatment. I also plan on buying some elimite online just in case the A&H don't work, or for future use if the A&H does work.
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As for comments about using various products on your car and furniture and not sleeping in your beds or covering everything with plastic and etc, that seems a little extreme. The first three times I got it I just used the kwell, washed all my bedding, towels, and clothes as the doctor suggested, and that worked without any problems. If the medications you can get from the doctor along with washing your bedding and clothes doesn't work, then I think you may have something other than (or in addition to) scabies. Unless scabies have mutated into some hard to kill variety since the last time I had it, it shouldn't be THAT hard to get rid of them.

Since: Feb 10

California

#98 May 30, 2010
kristen wrote:
i'm thinking about trying bleach baths
Forget the bleach baths! It will do nothing except burn and dry out your already sensitive skin and make you itch even more.

Use something that will repel them for more than a week.

You can buy 32 oz. of pure Neem oil for $28 on Amazon. That much Neem oil will last you a long time. The mites won't want to get near you with Neem oil on your body.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001G8YA2Y/r...

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#99 May 30, 2010
Robert wrote:
I don't understand why everyone seems so confused about scabies or why it is so hard for some people to get rid of them. Are you all sure what you have is scabies? I've had it four times in my life. Each time it started as little itchy white bumps on my fingers/hands and spread from there. And each time I got it was from the ground/dirt. The last time I got it when I transplanted some tomatoes. I used a shovel of course, but touched the dirt with my hands when I put the plants in the ground. And even though I washed my hands good after coming in contact with the dirt, that's how/where I got it.(Why I don't wear gloves when I do stuff like that I don't know. Never would of got it if I had been wearing gloves!) And as far as I knew, other than person to person contact, that was about the only way to get it (from the ground). I've never heard of getting it from a toilet seat or touching some inanimate object or anything like that as some people have suggested. Nor have I ever heard that it takes weeks to show symptoms as some people have suggested. Each time I got it it only took a day or two for the symptoms to show.
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Anyhow, the first three times I got it I had health insurance, went to the doctor, got a prescription for kwell, and applied as directed. The scabies were gone within days, and they never returned. Now I unfortunately do not have health insurance. so, I am trying the A&H laudry detergent treatment. I also plan on buying some elimite online just in case the A&H don't work, or for future use if the A&H does work.
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As for comments about using various products on your car and furniture and not sleeping in your beds or covering everything with plastic and etc, that seems a little extreme. The first three times I got it I just used the kwell, washed all my bedding, towels, and clothes as the doctor suggested, and that worked without any problems. If the medications you can get from the doctor along with washing your bedding and clothes doesn't work, then I think you may have something other than (or in addition to) scabies. Unless scabies have mutated into some hard to kill variety since the last time I had it, it shouldn't be THAT hard to get rid of them.
You should know that once you have had scabies your body doesn't take weeks to react to it as it did initially. And yes scabies can develop resistance to treatment after a while. I highly doubt you can get scabies from digging the earth like you suggested. Don't forget it's other name: the seven year itch. My point is everybody reacts differently to his horrible ergo sucking, energy draining disease. Good luck to you this time.
WillItEverGoAway

Cincinnati, OH

#100 Jun 26, 2010
I myself... like many of you... have been suffering with this myself for over 2 years. I swear sometimes I get so disgusted with itching that i just cry. I've tried the tea tree oil, soaking my body in Germ X antibacterial, using anti-bacterial soap... each time i get reinfested it takes at least 6 months to get rid of iy again. I've spent a few thousand dollars buying creams, furniture sprays, oils etc. And the lil theory that they dont live off your body more than 3 days is crap. I had a sweatshirt that had been in my trunk since last winter (when i was infected) finally got rid of the mites, and then in April we were out and i was cold so i got that sweatshirt out... not even thinking it hadnt been washed since i had the mites... put it on and not even a week later it was all right back. By the way the Germ X does stop u from itching. So anyway now im gonna try the bleach baths on top of using the germ x hand sanitizer. If u use a white paper towel to wipe the germx off u can actually see the lil black specks... which are scabbies.
dave

Philadelphia, PA

#101 Jul 23, 2010
bleach baths are suggested for everything from scabies to mrsa..it can work if ur skin can handle it... pyrethrin might be useful too...its made from flowers so its not dangerous to us...but it kills bugs on contact by blocking an enzyme that works in thier nervous system...but like anything do an allergy test first..you never know
Uck

Vancouver, WA

#102 Aug 18, 2010
If you have scabies - YES use the ivermectin lotion however you need to be following the steps below for it to work otherwise you will keep infecting yourself and your family
1. Bath First
2. Apply lotion from neck down - making sure you cover every area of your skin well
3. Wash all your bedding and clothes in the warmest water possible.
4. Anything that cannot be washed should be bagged for at least 14 days.
5. Next morning take a shower
6. Rewash your entire bedding and clothing again
You will probably have to repeat this in 7 days.
Check with your local Health Department: NewJersey Department of Health - then look up Scabies - it will tell you how they recommend treatment.
You can also use essential oils - peppermint but you will have to this multiple times a day for about 4 days. this helps also with the intense itching. look up "Young and Living Essential Oils"
Uck

Vancouver, WA

#103 Aug 18, 2010
If you have the Noregin scabies -it is tuff to treat and people need more than 2 treatments. Most people don't take the second treatment after a week. The crean only kills the live mite - so if you don't repeat the treatment in a week - those eggs that were there b/4 you killed the live mite has now hatched - and you start all over again. I work at a large health care facility were I needed to treat someone 5 times b/4 we were done with the scabies. Also people for get to wash there clothing and the get it all over again. And people dont treat their family members and they pass it around. So please look up your local health department to find out their recommendations or other wise you will have these guys with you for a long time. Essential Oil from Young and Living also helps Peppermint oil applied 4 times a day for 4 days ( mix with oil or water ( caution Peppermint is a warm oil needs to be diluted for most people
me too

Nashua, NH

#104 Aug 20, 2010
please tell me that this is not my life! is my whole future about trying to kill these things!
Why does it seem like some people can't get rid of this. Some people must be able to. What went wrong! I just want this to be over. I had my first bites about 3 weeks ago and was diagnosed last night i have applied the cream it has been about 14 hours and i am about to shower it off. I slept on the basement coach last night and took some benadryl it helped alot this morning my "rash" seemed much better but as i sit here reading my itching is getting worse.I am very worried about my bed. My husband has no signs of scabies at all and he is calling his DR. today so he can be treated also. I don't know if the kids should be treated they are 9 and 16 so we don't "cuddle so much and we keep our cloths on so not much skin to skin contact happens.Also i do not have bites in the classic areas nothing on my torso just arms and legs. What is up with this.
roger

Lavaca, AR

#105 Aug 23, 2010
abc7 wrote:
does anyone know if you can buy Permethrin 5% with out preinscription?
yes. pet section of many stores. it is sold for ear mites for dogs and cats and birds. inexpensive.
really

Fayetteville, NC

#106 Aug 24, 2010
I am doing bleach baths. I have a severe itch for the past year, mostly the groin, but also a patch under my left breast, and it started to spread to my left thigh and elbows. It has thickened and darkened the skin in those areas. The last 2-3 weeks it was becoming so severe I thought I would rip skin down to bone from the scratch. I have been using hydrocortisone and diphenhydramine creams for the past years. I also tried tea tree oil, Aveeno oatmeal soaks, yeast treatments, and oral antibiotics.
Last week it looked a lot like hives. The bleach baths have worked very well! The lesions dried up within 2 days and the itch has decreased, I would say, about 80%. The bleach does not sting at all. I have not lost any hair. NO side effects. After the bath I rinse well and then use lotion all over. The first 2 days I used cocoa butter on the rough areas and anti-itch creams on the groin, which was the worst area. The past few days I have used Curel lotion. The thickened areas also don't feel as rough as they did.
I used 10 caps of the lavender Chlorox to a full tub, and also added a small amount of anitbacterial soap. I soaked about 20 minutes.
There are literally thousands of causes of pruritis (itchiness). It could be insects (scabies/mites, lice, bedbugs, ants), fungus (ringworm), allergy/ezcema, even hormonal/stress. I did have surgery last year, a hysterectomy, and the extreme itch start a couple of months later, but I also have a job where I am exposed to scabies and ringworm on a regular basis, although I know I have touched both and never had any reaction before. I did also have amssive stress in my life. I also live in the top allergen state, which also has biting ants, mosquitoes, and other critters. There is also a bedbug infestation known to be in the state. So I guess, bottom line for me, it doesn't actually matter what the cause is, but I am sharing with everyone that the bleach bath was safe and effective for me to deal with my dermatitis.
I also think, when looking back, that I did always have a very mild form of the itch for decades, so I think for me ezcema and hormonal stress after surgery is the most likely culprit that made it flare out of control.
Also there is no overwhelming fumes with the bleach. It actually makes my house smell clean and helps with cleaning the bathtub, which does have mold, which is another culprit for itch. I will probably add bleach to my next wash too.

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