bleach bath recommended by dermatologist
Anonymous

Woodbridge, VA

#467 Dec 23, 2012
Cure?? I had luck with 4 rounds of Ivermectin - a few tubes of perm and then I found this forum and wised up. Borax/hydogen peroxide scrubs everywhere, everyday, and then a 50/50 bleach/water spray down from head to toe. Did that for almost 4 solid weeks twice a day (heavier spraying of bleach at night), including cleaning, new sheets towels & fresh clothing every day, washing all in hot water with detergent & borax. Cleaned my car several times and put a black plastic trash bag over my seat, plastic drop clothes on my computer chair and on the sofa. Put the remote to the TV in a baggie. OOO and treat your jewelry and personal items, like razors, or just throw away & get new.

10 weeks later now I only have a few scars left where the scabs were.
Gene-ette

Brooklyn, NY

#468 Dec 25, 2012
Cindilu,
In response to, "Buy the good stuff for $7! It's what all of us are using! Freedom 45 for extra large dogs, it is Permethrin 45%. And you order at least 3 or 4 double-tubettes at one time from ValleyVet.com "
I only find Freedom Spot On for $7.89. Is this what you are talking about?
Then, how often do you apply? Doesn't look like it would go very far. Just use on eruptions? Near eyes?
Thanks.
Gene
Lyle

Hall, MT

#469 Dec 25, 2012
I just did the permethrin cream thing two times and have taken baths in sea salt, borax, and hydrogen proxide, both My Wife and Me. After 2 months, we may be getting this thing beaten. Neither of us are itching right now, but we will see. My Wife has been cleaning house and washing and bagging all clothes for over a month. I will post in a few days to report back.
Lyle

Hall, MT

#470 Dec 25, 2012
So now is what you people are saying is that there is no cure for it? Are any of you doctor's, or is it just your opinion that there is no cure for it? I guess if what I'm trying won't work my next stop is talking to a Dermatologist. I will spend whatever I have to get this handled, one way or another.

Since: Feb 12

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#471 Dec 26, 2012
Lyle wrote:
So now is what you people are saying is that there is no cure for it? Are any of you doctor's, or is it just your opinion that there is no cure for it? I guess if what I'm trying won't work my next stop is talking to a Dermatologist. I will spend whatever I have to get this handled, one way or another.
The doctors / medical community has it's hands tied because there are no new treatment protocols, no new meds or methods for them to use to cure their patients with. I have spent so much money on doctors and specialists and even traveled to other states to be tested and seen by medical school professors and the mites have evolved like the other poster says and there is nothing the docs can do about it.

Why would we be here, on this thread if we weren't cured. We can't all be psychotic!

It's true the drug companies have not developed any new drugs in more than 20 years to cure Scabies. They have improved on the drugs for animals but that is because they make more money from animal cures than human cures. Trust me, when you've suffered as long as I have, and reached out to as many so called experts as I have, it's a real eye opener.

Every month someone comes on this forum and suggests a new approach to curing Scabies, and after 3 or 4 months everyone concludes that it did not cure. So we move on to the next new thing.

I have tried them all. The latest new thing is the Borax Cure. There is a oral and topical approach. My body couldn't tolerate the drink but I've been applying the topical Borax for 2 or 3 months and it does help, but not cure. You have to consider that even if you completely cover your body every time with the Borax mixture, there is a female mite that is going to be able to avoid it and survive. One of them surviving can cause a out of control infestation. Just 1.
fred

Denver, CO

#474 Dec 27, 2012
cindilu wrote:
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Yes. They come two tubettes per package so buy 3 or 4 packages at one time to save money. They are $7 a package plus a $7 per order fee no matter how many you buy and shipping is free and usually arrives in three business days.
Well if you have Scabies you should rub on 2 tubettes over your entire body because they really hate this stuff and will travel away from areas your skin has it applied. So don't give them a safe place! And keep it on your skin 8-14 hours before bathing. Apply it every day! I'm applying it four days on, then four days off I apply the topical borax with hydrogen peroxide and I haven't had any recent outbreaks. I am hoping the borax will cure over time. But the 45% perm knocks them back and the objective is to kill as many as possible. Freedom 45 is safe, and will not damage your skin or nerves. Been using it for months.
45% permethrin will cause way more health problems than it solves.It is some of the worst possible advice. It will generate a toxicity problem in your body which will mimic the symptoms of scabies but the new condition is actually more serious than scabies. The longer you use freedom 45 the longer you will have the condition.
Lyle

United States

#476 Dec 27, 2012
Spoke with two Pharmacists, and both tell me that scabies is very curable. They said many people are misdiagnosed. I appreciate the advice on this board, but it seems everyone here has their own opinion of what works and what doesn't. I will monitor the board, but I need to take all this with a grain of salt. I just feel like most of this as far as curing is a stab in the dark. Second treatment of permethrin cream 5%, and so far I feel great. I'll let you all know what happens here for me and my Wife. Were were taking borax and sea salt baths, but both Pharmacists said it is not good for the skin. An occasional bath in it is probably ok, but not nightly. They are recommending regular bath using regular soap. I will be on this board until this is cured! Maybe some of you don't believe there is a cure, but I do believe there is a cure!

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#478 Dec 29, 2012
fred wrote:
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45% permethrin will cause way more health problems than it solves.It is some of the worst possible advice. It will generate a toxicity problem in your body which will mimic the symptoms of scabies but the new condition is actually more serious than scabies. The longer you use freedom 45 the longer you will have the condition.
So Fred, what is the alternative? Oral and topical borax? Homeopathic sugar pills? Colon cleanse? I have never had false symptoms. And I have all four of the skin scraping tests to prove my case. What is your toxin-free cure? Oh wait, you aren't cured! Unless you knock them back with 45% permethrin occasionally they will simply take over and you will have no peace. I'm finished with ivermectin products, the Eprinex stopped working for me after 30 days. Fred, you are no different than me, you have tried everything and have not found a cure. You say you are not using 45% permethrin, fine, I believe you. But you still have the condition. Now what?
Lyle

Helena, MT

#479 Dec 30, 2012
I guess I don't understand why all of you here seem to argue a lot instead of trying to help each other. I called a spoke with a local Dermatologist the other day, and he said, it is curable. If this don't work, I will be seeing him. He has seen a fair share of scabies, and told me first hand it's curable, not to worry. I just don't understand how there can be so many people here, and yet it appears not a single one of you is cured? Unbelievable!
Lyle

Helena, MT

#481 Dec 30, 2012
cindilu, I will share whatever I can to help someone else out. I am just waiting to see if the two treatments I did of the permethrin cream actually work. The Dermatologist said we could still be itching up to three weeks after the last treatment. I have itched a little, but not to bad, yet. I also ordered the ivermectin pills from London, and when they arrive, I will also be taking those too. I have an appointment with the Dermatologist at the end of March, but I need this crap gone before then, if possible. I will let everyone know if anything works for me.

Since: Dec 12

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#482 Dec 31, 2012
Lyle wrote:
I guess I don't understand why all of you here seem to argue a lot instead of trying to help each other. I called a spoke with a local Dermatologist the other day, and he said, it is curable. If this don't work, I will be seeing him. He has seen a fair share of scabies, and told me first hand it's curable, not to worry. I just don't understand how there can be so many people here, and yet it appears not a single one of you is cured? Unbelievable!
Read my post Expert Advice from 2 days ago. You will be free of this is you do what I say. I know from a year's experience and battle with this trying everything until I found out exactly what to do. Read all my posts. You either take advice from people on this forum who STILL HAVE scabies after years or someone who has beat it and knows what they are talking about. Good luck and God bless. scabimex
Lyle

Missoula, MT

#484 Dec 31, 2012
ScabiMex, did you get cured from scabies? Cindilu, did you get cured? Who on the forum's has actually been cured?

Since: Jan 13

Brooklyn, NY

#486 Jan 1, 2013
Lyle wrote:
ScabiMex, did you get cured from scabies? Cindilu, did you get cured? Who on the forum's has actually been cured?
I think it is obvious there are a fair number of people on the forum who don't have a typical scabies infestation. You can't compare them to those w classic scabies.
The young (children) fare better than adults when it comes to parasites. Meds are more powerful and penetrable. Their immune systems fight the parasites better.
Americans also lack a medical history for parasites. Our natural defenses against age-old infections are low.
FYI, I don't have scabies as far as I know. I tested positive for arthropods in a punch biopsy. I've been infested for 5 years. My symptoms match Langoliers' exactly, who claims he and wife have been cleared of mites (not scabies) using Lindane. I don't know how to get Lindane.
Gene
Shelly W

Los Angeles, CA

#487 Jan 1, 2013
Gene 1st be sure your environment is clear before using Lindane. I may have had mite too from a flood at work. Try mixing 5% iodine in MSM lotion from Now foods. Bifenthrin is also what I used. Iím on day 3 of no movement but I have not allowed the Bifenthrin to wear off. I re-apply daily.

Its very strong and an extreme measure as this stuff is suppose to be diluted one ounce in one gallon of water. I put on my scalp about a quarter of an ounce daily.

I have also started takeing the horse paste with ivermectin and another ingredient called praziquantel. The paste stopped the crawling on the face and ears, but not the scalp as I used this stuff 6 months ago with same results. No crawling on face and ears.

So far the topical worked on the scalp as thats the last place these things exist. I may be keeping them off my body with the borax and baking soda baths but since I am not and have not has issues on my body for almost a year, I cant say if I am keeping them off my body or they are just not going there. I have no obvious signs of mite bites or any itching.
Gayleb

West Columbia, SC

#488 Jan 3, 2013
I have proof now that the crawling sensation is real and is caused by the cloth moth larvae, which lives for 2 1/2 years before it matures. Isaiah 51:8 For the moth shall eat them like a garment and the worm shall eat them like wool.

I was bathing and drying off with the blow dryer and saw something white come out of my knee and foot. I took pictures. Anyone interested can see what I saw and know you are NOT delusional. If you are able to enlarge the pictures enough, you can actually see the hole the moth came out of from the skin.
http :// www. flickr.com/photos/84013597 @N08/

Since: Dec 12

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#489 Jan 3, 2013
Lyle wrote:
ScabiMex, did you get cured from scabies? Cindilu, did you get cured? Who on the forum's has actually been cured?
Yes, a year an a half ago. See my posts for what "I" did.
Leslie

Los Angeles, CA

#490 Jan 3, 2013
Scabimex, I couldnt find ur post where is it? I too am seeking answers from someone who is actually cured thnku.

Since: Dec 12

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#491 Jan 3, 2013
Leslie wrote:
Scabimex, I couldnt find ur post where is it? I too am seeking answers from someone who is actually cured thnku.
Yes, I am cured. Disregard what detractors say, thousands of us have most definitely been cured and all over Latin America tens of thousands use the following routine: I have been totally free of this for over 18 months now.(*I added in what extra things I did too for your benefit). You will need THESE MEDS:(PHOTO LINK for I.D.) http://s1297.beta.photobucket.com/user/scabim...

Scabisan and Ivexterm are available in MEXICO at any "farmacia" without a prescription. Get enough for TWO rounds (and I also brought back extra in case I ever get this heinous infestation again one day.) Fortunately for you, you live in LA so you can just drive down to Tijuana and get them there.

ROUTINE: The Scabisan is applied on all of your body. Be sure to get under the nails good and put the cream all over every inch right up to the chin line. The Scabisan tube (shown in the photo) is huge (60 grams), so there is more than enough to cover your body and have some left for spot treating any areas where the mites are obvious too (I doubled up in those areas)! I did this at night before bed (*see mattress preparation too - because you MUST also eliminate the problem from your environment at the same time or the scabies mites can re-infest you as the host after you rid them on your body and the medicine is gone!) You also take the IVEXTERM tablets orally at the same time with an 8 ounce glass of water. You need the correct for your body weight or it will not work.(*I think that is the problem with people who have tried it before unsuccessfully). Depending on your body weight you will probably take (2) or (3) 6 mg tablets. The Ivexterm box shown in the photo has two 6mg tablets. I took 4 tablets total because I am a big guy. NOTE* You do NOT want to take LESS than you need or it will not do the job. It's ok to take 1 more if you are on the borderline, but DO NOT take 3 or 4 times the body weight dose as some people on this forum suggest! Ivermectin is metabolized by the liver and you do not want to poison the liver any more than necessary to kill these parasitic invaders. FOLLOW-UP: You need to follow-up with the Scabisan cream 7 nights later and another round of the Ivexterm 14 days after your first round. MATTRESS, clothing and environment treatment: You can buy a new mattress, but that is expensive! In any case, you MUST seal your mattress! I went to ROSS and bought a completely sealed-in mite and bedbug type cover that TOTALLY seals the mattress. I also took the extra precaution of fan spraying my mattress with Diatomaceous Earth in my tank suspended in water as a "wettable powder". You have to keep agitating it so that you do not block the tip. You can get DE at a horse supply store and other places. Get the Food Grade type. Spray the entire mattress with the fan spray setting. After the mattress is dry you can put the sealer cover on and keep it on in the future, that's my suggestion. Also fan spray carpets and pathways if they are not tile or wood. Clothes washing should be done EVERY DAY for 2 weeks with Arm and Hammer Laundry soap with Borax added in and very hot water as well as dried on the highest setting!

You can read my other posts for extra tips by clicking on my profile. I know there are some crazy people on this forum who will tell you this does not work (or that NOTHING WILL) but it damn sure does for the majority of those who have scabies. It flat out IS the protocol for all of Latin America (*ask ANY Latino doctor)and keep in mind that they have been dealing with these mite infections and infestations for MANY more years than us in the USA!! I'm sure there are some "exceptions" like some of the poor people on this Forum that have jacked around with this for years and have probably created treatment and chemical resistance and created super-scabies strains.

Since: Dec 12

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#492 Jan 3, 2013
ScabiMex wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, I am cured. Disregard what detractors say, thousands of us have most definitely been cured and all over Latin America tens of thousands use the following routine: I have been totally free of this for over 18 months now.(*I added in what extra things I did too for your benefit). You will need THESE MEDS:(PHOTO LINK for I.D.) http://s1297.beta.photobucket.com/user/scabim...
Scabisan and Ivexterm are available in MEXICO at any "farmacia" without a prescription. Get enough for TWO rounds (and I also brought back extra in case I ever get this heinous infestation again one day.) Fortunately for you, you live in LA so you can just drive down to Tijuana and get them there.
ROUTINE: The Scabisan is applied on all of your body. Be sure to get under the nails good and put the cream all over every inch right up to the chin line. The Scabisan tube (shown in the photo) is huge (60 grams), so there is more than enough to cover your body and have some left for spot treating any areas where the mites are obvious too (I doubled up in those areas)! I did this at night before bed (*see mattress preparation too - because you MUST also eliminate the problem from your environment at the same time or the scabies mites can re-infest you as the host after you rid them on your body and the medicine is gone!) You also take the IVEXTERM tablets orally at the same time with an 8 ounce glass of water. You need the correct for your body weight or it will not work.(*I think that is the problem with people who have tried it before unsuccessfully). Depending on your body weight you will probably take (2) or (3) 6 mg tablets. The Ivexterm box shown in the photo has two 6mg tablets. I took 4 tablets total because I am a big guy. NOTE* You do NOT want to take LESS than you need or it will not do the job. It's ok to take 1 more if you are on the borderline, but DO NOT take 3 or 4 times the body weight dose as some people on this forum suggest! Ivermectin is metabolized by the liver and you do not want to poison the liver any more than necessary to kill these parasitic invaders. FOLLOW-UP: You need to follow-up with the Scabisan cream 7 nights later and another round of the Ivexterm 14 days after your first round. MATTRESS, clothing and environment treatment: You can buy a new mattress, but that is expensive! In any case, you MUST seal your mattress! I went to ROSS and bought a completely sealed-in mite and bedbug type cover that TOTALLY seals the mattress. I also took the extra precaution of fan spraying my mattress with Diatomaceous Earth in my tank suspended in water as a "wettable powder". You have to keep agitating it so that you do not block the tip. You can get DE at a horse supply store and other places. Get the Food Grade type. Spray the entire mattress with the fan spray setting. After the mattress is dry you can put the sealer cover on and keep it on in the future, that's my suggestion. Also fan spray carpets and pathways if they are not tile or wood. Clothes washing should be done EVERY DAY for 2 weeks with Arm and Hammer Laundry soap with Borax added in and very hot water as well as dried on the highest setting!
You can read my other posts for extra tips by clicking on my profile. I know there are some crazy people on this forum who will tell you this does not work (or that NOTHING WILL) but it damn sure does for the majority of those who have scabies. It flat out IS the protocol for all of Latin America (*ask ANY Latino doctor)and keep in mind that they have been dealing with these mite infections and infestations for MANY more years than us in the USA!! I'm sure there are some "exceptions" like some of the poor people on this Forum that have jacked around with this for years and have probably created treatment and chemical resistance and created super-scabies strains.
THESE (PHOTO) are the MEDS: http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag37/scab...

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#494 Jan 4, 2013
cindilu wrote:
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Most of us have bombarded our bodies with iver and perm for months and even years. Consider the mites in the U.S. come from generation after generation of human hosts where iver and perm were prescribed each time over and over. In the U.S. it is rare to be cured by iver and perm combination therapy. You can't make us cured just because people in Mexico are still being cured by these old meds.
Localized strains of resistant mite populations exist. Nobody doubts that. However in Mexico where there are MANY MORE cases and have been for MUCH LONGER and the treatment has been the SAME, the VAST majority of mite populations are NOT resistant(though some are). Even more so, this holds true in the USA. We are talking about percentages here and the law of probability. You, obviously have encountered a resistant strain (or created one), however the REASON the treatment works for MOST people is that MOST do not encounter (in the general population of mites) the smaller number of resistant strains. Perhaps in 50 more years the balance will change and the majority of strains encountered (remember percentages). Statistics and clinical studies prove that as of now, the far larger majority of cases are NOT with super-bugs as you describe. A good cross analogy would be antibiotics where we see many becoming ineffective on various bacterias because of resistance over the years. However, antibiotics were prescribed billions of times more (than miticides) over the span of a longer time and with many more millions of people to finally swing the balance toward the MAJORITY of cases being resistant. Even still today, you can see tetracycline and other antibiotics (that are not always as effective as before for exactly that reason - resitance) being prescribed and still working on many cases! Does this make since to you? I'm saying that outside of localized areas and specific microcosm cases (which ARE REAL) the VAST populations of scabies mites are still not resistance. Everyone of course look at their situation as the NORM and tend to generalize and assume that ALL situations are the same. Statistically and by all published and studied cases although there are indeed some cases (and yes even more and more as time passes) of people encountering these difficult cases and resiatnt strains the overwhelming majority of cases respond very well to the currently prescribed remedies. Actually, statistically most even respond to ONE or the other meds(Ivermextin or permethrin cream) but when you combine the two treatments together the numbers are even much greater. Nobody is doubting that YOU and OTHERS - on a Forum which tends by its very nature to attract the tough cases (and some NEW cases too looking for answers) are going to have a much higher percentage of the resistant cases show up that the general populations and the huge number of people who aren't on forums like this because they simply ddi what their doctor or a pharmacist advised and presto (believe it or not) it WORKED. We are talking statistical probability here. The resistant mite strains in localized areas and situations that do exist verses the total population of mites out there which is many times greater and more typical. If someine has ACTUALLY tried the EXACT thing I did which worked (including the sanitation side) and I can only believe that you DID (from your passion), then one of two things is happening: You HAVE indeed encountered or produced in your particular local and situation a very resistant strain of scabies mites or it is something else you are fighting and the treatment for mites is not working for that reason. One last example of what I'm saying from experience is cockroaches, which have indeed become resistant to particular pesticides (its my profession to rid them). Even though they are resistant to a chemical you can still keep treating the population with that chemical and every time you do you will still kill 85% of them.

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