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#21 Aug 11, 2013
vss wrote:
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wooo
nelly
just calm down there, miss know it all.
from reading your posts you do sound like the same troll here on this forum for years. yes, you do have a hidden agenda, not sure what it is.
you are NOT just someone coming here suffering from scabies.
you just signed out because you are pissed and posting too much nonsense and I threw you off your train of thought.
You are giving us some good ideas, so don't be thrown off, BUT DON'T PRETEND that you are a true scabies sufferer. there is a hidden agenda with you guyes, not sure if all of you are sales people or are just trying to come up with a morgellons cure.
I would LIKE for you to be HONEST. But, that won't happen here because there is TOO MUCH MONEY TO BE MADE OFF OF THIS....
So, there you have it.
Carry on, mite warriors!!
go away. If you have a heart you would realise I am suffering. I am signing out because I am not coping you stupid troll. You are paranoid and dillusional and obviously suffering still your self.

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#22 Aug 11, 2013
I just took my car to the mechanics. I have not driven for 2 days. While warming up my car I was looking at my hands. I noticed a tiny wet patch just near the webbing of my fingers, when I wiped the wetness away a tiny pink hole was there. I felt nothing. Looking at it now half an hour later there is no sign of it.I know the mite uses saliva to make an incision in the skin.

This is twice I have seen pure evidence of reinfection.I can't move on from this but am glad I have seen it as today I was trying to move on.

Having VSS monitoring my posts is not helping my situation.

If you have been suffering from scabies for a long time then you are being reinfected constantly.

I am now entering my 7th week of this nightmare. Every day is a battle and every week that passes is killing me.Every weekend I am home reading this forum and learning,treating and constantly doing stuff to my environment, scabies is on my mind constantly. If I did not have scabies I would be out living my life and not be on this forum. In saying that I am greatful for this forum, I am not alone and have learn't so much.

I will be continuing my treatment and working on my environment. I will post when ever I feel like it as this is like my diary of sorts.

I will not respond to VSS or any other person that is on the look out for scammers. I am sure these people are genuinly trying to protect scabie suffers but to be falsly accused of this myself is very distressing for me and I have enough on my plate as it is. I do not like to insult people and am annoyed I got sucked in by VSS comments.

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#23 Aug 17, 2013
I am coming up to week 8 of being scabified.

I started this thread -when to know you have been cured and to stop treating- to question post scabies effect.

The simple answer to this is- when you feel absolutely no biting and no crawling.

Red spots/being bit is a sign of scabies.

crawling anywhere on your body are scabies. If you feel it it the same spot over and over again then thats a burrow. Crawling on your face, thats still scabies.

pin pricks, you are being bitten and their is a slight chance it's your nerves.

New bumps are scabies and reactions to toxins from chemicals.

itching is the exception here as this could be for a number of reasons.

It all sounds so obvious, the 'post scabies' syndrome is a form of denial that your still infected and is not helped by stupid dermatologists.

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#24 Aug 17, 2013
Anyway, I have taken a whole new approach to my treatments since my last weekly post.

I have been working on my immunity as it's not the best, it's winter here, flu season is always around. I have noticed every 2 weeks I have a fever right before a big scabies hatching. I am feeling rundown just a tad and being female a week before menstruating is when we are at our lowest.

Before I came down with scabies I had the full blown flu. After anti biotics a week later I felt my first mites crawl slowly down my arm and disappear. Life has not been the same. I have done many treatments and have successfully gained control of the population. How to treat daily without killing myself is constantly on my mind.

When I first posted this thread I thought I was cured, I was in a high state of neurosis and I had to convince myself I was ok. I actually wasn't but for over 4 days I slowly relaxed and let go until I had a major attack in bed and took my iver pill. The next day I went back into scabies hell routine and my weekend plans thrown out the window.In that 4 days I didn't take any of my supplements and basically went back to old habits. I now realise that I can't do this and that scabies is a sign that I have to get my house (body) in order.

Back on MSM 10 grams- love this stuff. clears my head and gives me energy, at 40grams for 3 days its meant to kill parasites but I cant do 40 grams too intense.

Back on yucky triphola- really healthy bowel movements, cleans the blood too I imagine.

Back on super greens- I used to take this ages ago when doing a detox and to get rid of acidity, takes a while to kick in like a few weeks, contains the beautiful chlorella ( which is all you need really ), barley grass, wheat grass and spirulina.

Have started taking fish oil for omega 3.

Using extra virgin olive oil for smothering when I can be bothered as its really intense.

I am careful now with essential oils as they are considered toxic. The euclyptus thing I did was crazy and shows how desperate I was.

I have tested different moisturises that absorb into the skin, I found a good one and use my favorite essential oils in them.But you need to apply constantly.

I am looking for aloe vera gel as its properties are the same as benzyl benzoate.I will put my oils in this when I find it. I bought coconut oil but having drama's with it.

essential oils are less potent in oil and I am reluctant to put with alcohol on my skin. I originally used a teatree oil in ethonol solution and that really made healing difficult

This week I focused on my hands. I now use liquid soap that contains aloe vera and green tea. I found bug spray with perethrin in it that I use on the stearing wheel of my car every few days ( this feels super toxic but is necessary, my car is now a safe place). I soak my hands and look at them closely, after a few minutes stuff starts to float out, dead mites and this time I saw a clutch of eggs. I was very suprised. They were held together by a fine web of silk that kept them anchored to my skin, I rubbed them off and they floated away.As I have said before the skin sheds every month so stuff gets closer to the surface. Soaking in water is very good at lifting stuff out of your skin but I do not have a bath tub....I exfoliate oncer per week and use a scrubbing brush with long handle.When I have time I moisturise my hand and scrape along all the lines and crevices with tweezes, scraping gently the tops of my skin. By the end of the week my hand treatements have paid off, as 92 percent of infection is in your hands to begin with.

I am on my second week of Iver, I did one perm treatment last weekend and tonight I had to do the ascabiol as I washed my cat and freaked out when all the water from the bath splashed on me.

My main infection spot is on my head and spots on my face. All I can do is kill the adults and keep going with the neem, clove and anise mix and oil suffocation method. I feel better but as we know this can change fast.
vss

Hollywood, FL

#25 Aug 17, 2013
Syl B wrote:
I just took my car to the mechanics. I have not driven for 2 days. While warming up my car I was looking at my hands. I noticed a tiny wet patch just near the webbing of my fingers, when I wiped the wetness away a tiny pink hole was there. I felt nothing. Looking at it now half an hour later there is no sign of it.I know the mite uses saliva to make an incision in the skin.
This is twice I have seen pure evidence of reinfection.I can't move on from this but am glad I have seen it as today I was trying to move on.
Having VSS monitoring my posts is not helping my situation.
If you have been suffering from scabies for a long time then you are being reinfected constantly.
I am now entering my 7th week of this nightmare. Every day is a battle and every week that passes is killing me.Every weekend I am home reading this forum and learning,treating and constantly doing stuff to my environment, scabies is on my mind constantly. If I did not have scabies I would be out living my life and not be on this forum. In saying that I am greatful for this forum, I am not alone and have learn't so much.
I will be continuing my treatment and working on my environment. I will post when ever I feel like it as this is like my diary of sorts.
I will not respond to VSS or any other person that is on the look out for scammers. I am sure these people are genuinly trying to protect scabie suffers but to be falsly accused of this myself is very distressing for me and I have enough on my plate as it is. I do not like to insult people and am annoyed I got sucked in by VSS comments.
And what situation would that be? That you are constantly making up aliases and saying anything and everything that comes to your mind on this forum. Misleading people here for months, if not years?

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#26 Aug 17, 2013
vss wrote:
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And what situation would that be? That you are constantly making up aliases and saying anything and everything that comes to your mind on this forum. Misleading people here for months, if not years?
do you have scabies VSS? How about you put your good knowledge to use and help me, yes I am doing stupid stuff but bare in mind I have been suffering for 8 weeks which makes me a noob.Can you pls get with the program, your kinda freaking me out......
vss

Hollywood, FL

#27 Aug 17, 2013
you are about as much a "noob" as I am.

buy yourself something from doyourownpestcontrol dot com. buy cyonara and an insect growth regulator like martins. spray your car down with this. spray a small bit on your steering wheel and wipe it down with it, with a cloth. cover your carpets with rubber floor mats or plastic and spray them, too, until car is somewhat under control.
there... I helped you. ho-hum...

I think you are a big girl and won't be freaked out by me. you've been on this forum for a long time now, much longer than eight weeks.

you are very well versed in your postings. other clues give it away...

someone who has had this for only eight weeks, doesn't know jack sh*t, about scabies, unless they have had it before or work with patients who have scabies or (oh my god, should I say this??)

sell scabies products on the NET...

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#28 Aug 21, 2013
So I am coming to the end of my 8 weeks. Will be the beginning of my 9th tomorrow.

So what I have worked out now is scabies is a big maths problem.Doing treatments and the timing is essential.One week always feels better than another week. Here's why

females take 17 days to mature

Males take up to 11 days

sourced from this

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sarcoptes-scab... #

SO this, females taking 17 days to molt ( if true) puts the whole problem into perspective as to why, when treatments are left to late or not followed up, scabies never seems to go and why some days feel better than other days.

My infector told me a few days ago that he has new bumps on both his elbows. This is bad news for me but confirms my wondering how 2 days of Ascabiol could of cure him of eggs and hatchlings.

As for me- I have taken iver 2 weeks in a row and got more prescription for another 2 doses. I will no longer be seeing my dermo and am looking for a specialist that actually understands the visual skin issues and scabies cycle/treatment ration.

The worst feeling is taking Iver/ or doing perm then the females hatch a day after or males and you have to start counting again. I hate this so much but doing the MATH will eventually work....I hope.I will be targeting the males hard core so females can not get pregnant, their is a disadvantage of 10 percent male hatchlings to 90 percent female hatchlings I hope.

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#29 Aug 21, 2013
To clarify the above statements.

Chemical topicals and Ivermiticin only work on fully developed mites so 9-11 days a male will be adult and 17 days a female will be an adult.

For Ivermeticin, takes 3 hours to kick in and has a half life of 16hrs in the body

source

http://www.dermnetnz.org/treatments/ivermecti...

Killing nymphs and tempoary burrows that have eggs in them is vital in between treatments. I believe the clove and anis has an effect on eggs but with oils you need to reapply constantly and the progress is slow. Studies were performed on the eggs on contact, not through skin, so there is your problem.

Massaging should crush burrows and eggs but may result in the female burrowing a little deeper. Mites will adapt to whatever it is you do topically.

Also take note on the size of molting patches
(grid like bumps). Small ones are new nymphs that will move out when going to the next phase, they will make larger molting patches and then eventually move out of those.These can take a while to heal when no nymphs are using them anymore. Not sure if new nymphs re use old molting patches. These bumps will determind your nymph load.

Bumps that feel full are temp female burrows. Attack these tpoically with whatever works for you.

Red bite marks. I have noticed that for me these turn into molting patches afterwards,small bites for small pouches and larger molting patches for larger bites so this suggests some of the biting is nymph activity not adults.

When I noticed a female entering my skin I did not feel any sensation. If a male penetrates a temp female burrow this may be that horrible peircing feeling one gets.

Analysing everything is a step towards using your treatment better and realising that for some a cure will take a long time but being consistant with treatments and inbetween nymph management and body cleaning will improve the condition. I believe the environment is not a big factor here unless you are crawling with adults all the time. If you do not treat in one form or another then this is likely.

My senses are very tuned in to my mites now. I have a better understanding of my body sensations visually and through feeling.Patterns emerge, certain days has more activity than others that can spread over a 2 week period. Certain products can also numb your skin to crawling sensations.

Crawling under the skin in one spot are nymphs. Remember these areas and their cycle of activity and count the days.

Female molting patches are a mystery, I believe the females you can see just sitting there may be in molting stage or waiting for a male.

Treat yourself internally doing whatever to keep your body strong.

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#30 Aug 21, 2013
vss wrote:
you are about as much a "noob" as I am.
buy yourself something from doyourownpestcontrol dot com. buy cyonara and an insect growth regulator like martins. spray your car down with this. spray a small bit on your steering wheel and wipe it down with it, with a cloth. cover your carpets with rubber floor mats or plastic and spray them, too, until car is somewhat under control.
there... I helped you. ho-hum...
I think you are a big girl and won't be freaked out by me. you've been on this forum for a long time now, much longer than eight weeks.
you are very well versed in your postings. other clues give it away...
someone who has had this for only eight weeks, doesn't know jack sh*t, about scabies, unless they have had it before or work with patients who have scabies or (oh my god, should I say this??)
sell scabies products on the NET...
VSS- I am an intelligent woman, not a girl. Secondly I am educated, thirdly after 8 weeks if you don't know what's going on with your body then you are plain clueless. You on the other hand freak me out because you are not rationale at all and seem obsessed with the idea that I have been on this forum for a while. You are cynical and have made yourself a self appointed sherrif of this forum which is not constructive for me or anybody else.In the end you are misleading people and your self.
FRED

Golden, CO

#31 Aug 21, 2013
Mites carry infections that they pass to humans who have mite infections.

*borriela

*Bartonella

*Babesia

*Erlichia

*Mycoplasma

The above are the most common but there are more.

Bartonella in mites, mites are arthropods.

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/18/1/11-0186...

http://web.ncsu.edu/abstract/science/bartonel...

http://web.ncsu.edu/abstract/science/bartonel...

http://web.ncsu.edu/abstract/science/bartonel...

Babesia in mites;

http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Mi...

" Mites and ticks carry viruses, bacteria, spirochetes, babesias, anaplasmata, theileriae, and microfilariae"

Mycoplasma in mites;

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7159311

There needs to be much more research in this neglected area but there are sufficient studies to draw a conclusion that if you have or have had a mite infection you more than likely have also been infected with another pathogen.

Borrieia is the spirochete bacteria associated with Lyme disease although it is now known that chronic lyme is a collection of infection that affect health in many ways, It is also known as multiple infection syndrome.

Borrielia in mites;

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16187890

The Lyme disease a person acquires from a mite infection can develop into Morgellons disease. Morgellons disease is actually a skin manifestation of Lyme disease but the lyme disease is fully systemic in the body.

http://f1000research.com/articles/2-25/v1

http://f1000research.com/articles/2-118/v1

The mite infection is difficult to get rid of, clove capsules work, but the impression that people still have scabies on this forum for sometimes years after they treated extensively is wrong. This why doctors will tell you that if you have treated that much and still have mites your crazy. What the doctors aren't aware of is that these infections can and do cause very similar symptoms on the skin to scabies. Then the person doesn't realize that the mites are gone and they are now dealing with something that has more severe long term consequences. I could name a lot of scabies forum veterans who refuse to or can't make this connection.

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#32 Aug 21, 2013
FRED wrote:
Mites carry infections that they pass to humans who have mite infections.
*borriela
*Bartonella
*Babesia
*Erlichia
*Mycoplasma
The above are the most common but there are more.
Bartonella in mites, mites are arthropods.
http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/18/1/11-0186...
http://web.ncsu.edu/abstract/science/bartonel...
http://web.ncsu.edu/abstract/science/bartonel...
http://web.ncsu.edu/abstract/science/bartonel...
Babesia in mites;
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Mi...
" Mites and ticks carry viruses, bacteria, spirochetes, babesias, anaplasmata, theileriae, and microfilariae"
Mycoplasma in mites;
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7159311
There needs to be much more research in this neglected area but there are sufficient studies to draw a conclusion that if you have or have had a mite infection you more than likely have also been infected with another pathogen.
Borrieia is the spirochete bacteria associated with Lyme disease although it is now known that chronic lyme is a collection of infection that affect health in many ways, It is also known as multiple infection syndrome.
Borrielia in mites;
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16187890
The Lyme disease a person acquires from a mite infection can develop into Morgellons disease. Morgellons disease is actually a skin manifestation of Lyme disease but the lyme disease is fully systemic in the body.
http://f1000research.com/articles/2-25/v1
http://f1000research.com/articles/2-118/v1
The mite infection is difficult to get rid of, clove capsules work, but the impression that people still have scabies on this forum for sometimes years after they treated extensively is wrong. This why doctors will tell you that if you have treated that much and still have mites your crazy. What the doctors aren't aware of is that these infections can and do cause very similar symptoms on the skin to scabies. Then the person doesn't realize that the mites are gone and they are now dealing with something that has more severe long term consequences. I could name a lot of scabies forum veterans who refuse to or can't make this connection.
Thanks Fred,

I understand this, but once you feel the mites for the first time you do know the difference between skin sensations and living things on you and by the feel their movements, bites and recognise their habitats. I made the mistake of thinking ot was something else and I paid the price heavily with loads of bites causing me to restart my treatment. Since taking Iver I am not being attacked as much and the nymph load has lessened although still their. Seen mites under a microscop how they move...they move quite quickly when they have all their legs....Mass amounts of mites make for more sensation, one mite you prob wont feel.

As for the other symptoms I can relate to some of them. Why I use essential oils and am careful about not over drying my skin. Your information here is very helpful and I appreciate your time :D

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#33 Aug 22, 2013
crawly mites on a skin crust



I am looking now into what Fred posted and will talk to a dermo about this on top of the scaibs.
FRED

Golden, CO

#34 Aug 22, 2013
Syl B wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks Fred,
I understand this, but once you feel the mites for the first time you do know the difference between skin sensations and living things on you and by the feel their movements, bites and recognise their habitats. I made the mistake of thinking ot was something else and I paid the price heavily with loads of bites causing me to restart my treatment. Since taking Iver I am not being attacked as much and the nymph load has lessened although still their. Seen mites under a microscop how they move...they move quite quickly when they have all their legs....Mass amounts of mites make for more sensation, one mite you prob wont feel.
As for the other symptoms I can relate to some of them. Why I use essential oils and am careful about not over drying my skin. Your information here is very helpful and I appreciate your time :D
When you quit treating your skin then the bacterial infections move back there and cause the scabies like symptoms, it is just that simple.

They are mites as far as you know. If you have had mites you can count on at least some of the other infections. you may still have mites to but they are pretty easy to get rid of.
FRED

Golden, CO

#35 Aug 22, 2013
Syl B wrote:
crawly mites on a skin crust
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =aarPJyjkW2wXX
I am looking now into what Fred posted and will talk to a dermo about this on top of the scaibs.
You should go to a real doctor.Derms knowledge is only skin deep. You need advanced testing that derms are clueless about.

You need a doctor who understands how to work with test like these.

http://www.igenex.com/Website/

5095 New Complete Co-Infection Panel**
Babesia microti IgG & IgM, Babesia FISH, HME IgG & IgM, HGA IgG & IgM, Bartonella IgG & IgM, Bartonella FISH
FRED

Golden, CO

#36 Aug 22, 2013
Treating your skin is meaningless.

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#37 Aug 22, 2013
FRED wrote:
<quoted text>
You should go to a real doctor.Derms knowledge is only skin deep. You need advanced testing that derms are clueless about.
You need a doctor who understands how to work with test like these.
http://www.igenex.com/Website/
5095 New Complete Co-Infection Panel**
Babesia microti IgG & IgM, Babesia FISH, HME IgG & IgM, HGA IgG & IgM, Bartonella IgG & IgM, Bartonella FISH
Thanks for your councelling Fred,

Yes I plan on going to the doctor for blood work soon to see how much damage my organs have taken from scabies meds and checking for staph for when the dermo looks at my skin he didn't say hey that looks like this or that as he was trying to find mites crawling around.He has referred me to another derm who will do a biopsy to confirm if I still have eggs etc. Treating mites is not easy when eggs are hatching every hour on any given day.

I will do the other tests you mention to be sure as anti biotics only cure those ailments it seems. I do not have fibres or black specs. I was told that I was infected by a friend of mine and he was diagnosed correctly so the mites is not a guessing game for me. I do not feel symptoms of Lyme disease or the other ones you mention, for now.

For those with moregellons,

http://www.youtube.com/user/MfromCanada2

I feel for this woman and what she is pulling out of her body. If what she is saying is true then we are all stuffed down the line unless someone hacks the cure from the govt (if its all true)

Anyway- Back to scabies mites.
vss

Hollywood, FL

#38 Aug 22, 2013
FRED wrote:
<quoted text>
You should go to a real doctor.Derms knowledge is only skin deep. You need advanced testing that derms are clueless about.
You need a doctor who understands how to work with test like these.
http://www.igenex.com/Website/
5095 New Complete Co-Infection Panel**
Babesia microti IgG & IgM, Babesia FISH, HME IgG & IgM, HGA IgG & IgM, Bartonella IgG & IgM, Bartonella FISH
She should go to a REAL doctor, like YOU FRED??? Should she go see you? Give her your phone number... Dr. Fred in da house.

I treat for fcfk and morgellons, both.

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#39 Aug 23, 2013
Good news. On the 17th of september I have booked myself in to see the dermatologist who has worked in the Northern Territory (Australia) with remote indigenous communities that have crusted scabies, Dr Li chuen wong.This is where the reference for the iver day schedule comes from.

http://www.sydneyskin.com/dermatologists/dr-l...

Next week is my last Iver pill intake. After that I will not be treating anymore.I need to arrive at the dermo with at least some sign I have scabies still or I will be treated like a fruit cake ( my last dermo ) If I am cured I am still going anyway. Out of all the dermo's out there she will understand what I am going through.

I will have an in depth skin analysis ( saving my money big time as this is going to be super expensive) and will ask loads of questions.

Hopefully I will be able to pass this information onto this forum and clear up some mis conceptions on post scabies and symptoms of real scabies compared to other skin issues.

My other query is to what extent does your environment affect/reinfect you. Bare in mind the remote communities in Australia do not have washing machines, dryers, hot water and other things...crusted scabies is very contagious.The work these amazing doctors have done so far is remarkable, the infection rate has dropped significantly, so you gotta ask....

I will also be asking on the exact molting cycle of males and females.

My scabies condition right now is I am waking up and feeling wiggling in certain parts of my body, I imagine they are nymphs. Since taking Iver I have had no mass attacks of bites that leave red marks and are itchy although I do have some small red flat marks and patches of bumps with clear burrows. The confusing part is are these new or old burrows as the skin sheds monthly, burrows end up near the surface. The downside is I can not see deeper burrows. But the skin is only so deep.

I believe I still have scabies due to localised movement under my skin and at times this is above my skin. My nymph rate is lower and when I feel adults its obvious.

I am always doing a chem treatment at least once per wk but I will be stopping this as of next week. I prefer the permithrin as the BB trashes my skin badly. I am risking over dosing on Permithrin and I do not care. This is my choice as letting the scabies take over my arms, hands and face will make me unemployed and if that happens no telling what I will do.

I feel a great risk in stopping treatment to see the dermo and am worried my environment may be reinfecting me. Like before If I am still infected then I will continue treating as before and get on with it.

I am now into my 9th week with this.

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#40 Sep 2, 2013
well its been 6 days since I took my last iver pill.I have wanted to use topical pesticides and have stopped myself. Instead I did a hardcore moisturiser mix of essential oils which I would apply instead when those feelings overtook me.

This video inspired my passion for essential oils again to treat my skin and I do have demodex mites on my eyelashes and I think my scalp. Again the issue is most problems are under the skin.

Demodex killed by tea tree oil



Every day my skin feels different, I do have dermatitis now occasionally in spots, some hair follicles really hurt when rubbed on clothes. My skin has weird sensations here and there, and god when you see the burrows ( spider vein web lines and patches) you do have to come to terms with the fact scabies was in your body and most likely there is a few still there.

I am hoping all the treatments I did was in fact over kill and that they are gone. Its an 11 day wait to see my specialist and I hope I make it that far without the scaibssss.

I am focusing on bringing back the normal skin ecosystem that keeps mites and bacteria in check. Sounds crazy but I am walking in nature a lot to get contaminated by good bacteria and mites.....lol

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