Revolution is not working on my pets....

Revolution is not working on my pets. What now?

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Itching as a way of life

Sun City, AZ

#1 Jul 27, 2008
Revolution stopped their itching for a couple of days only. What should I do now?
Too Long

Oak Harbor, WA

#2 Jul 27, 2008
Have you been bathing them too? It helps to bathe them to take care of
all of the in between critters that the Revolution doesn't get. I have
heard some experts here on the pet topic say that injections work
better on your pets when they are infested. Your vet can give them
the injections if you kennel them there for your trip. You can get
dog flea shampoos that have permethrin. You can use lyme sulfur dips
very stinky but supposed to work against mange. Dip them every week
with that. Deflea, it is supposedly non-toxic to pets, you can get that at Petco. Or online . Really dilute the sulfur lyme dip if you get it. It can be
harsh on the pets skin. Good luck
Mite Killer

United States

#3 Jul 27, 2008
Good advice from Too Long....

The spot-on's effectiveness does not last a full month. To treat sarcoptic mites the topical spot on should be used every 10 days or every two weeks instead of once a month. I've had to suppliment the spot-on with Injections. It could be that the pets are getting reinfested. Try to keep any hosts isolated and their bedding washed daily. And check for possible places where mites hide on pets. Inside the ears, inside nose, under nails and between toes. Apply the topical spot-on directly on that area.
Giving your pets baths helps alot. Deflea is good, it desolves mites but make sure the pets stay warm until they are dry. An ingredient in Deflea creates a cooling effect. And don't use permethrin on cats, it's toxic to them. It can be sprayed onto their bedding but wait until it's dry before they are allowed onto the bedding.

And since you are going on a trip..if your house will be unoccupied, why not set off a few Raid Fumagator bombs on your way out the door?
adanaturkey8385

Newman Lake, WA

#4 Jul 28, 2008
Mite Killer, you had Scabies last year, do you got them again or just supporting people here now?
Just wondering, I got them back again, 4th time.
I swear Spokane, WA has an epidemic. Once you have them, they are easy to get again.

Char
Mite Killer wrote:
Good advice from Too Long....
The spot-on's effectiveness does not last a full month. To treat sarcoptic mites the topical spot on should be used every 10 days or every two weeks instead of once a month. I've had to suppliment the spot-on with Injections. It could be that the pets are getting reinfested. Try to keep any hosts isolated and their bedding washed daily. And check for possible places where mites hide on pets. Inside the ears, inside nose, under nails and between toes. Apply the topical spot-on directly on that area.
Giving your pets baths helps alot. Deflea is good, it desolves mites but make sure the pets stay warm until they are dry. An ingredient in Deflea creates a cooling effect. And don't use permethrin on cats, it's toxic to them. It can be sprayed onto their bedding but wait until it's dry before they are allowed onto the bedding.
And since you are going on a trip..if your house will be unoccupied, why not set off a few Raid Fumagator bombs on your way out the door?
adanaturkey8385

Newman Lake, WA

#5 Jul 28, 2008
Mite Killer, you had Scabies last year, do you got them again or just supporting people here now?
Just wondering, I got them back again, 4th time.
I swear Spokane, WA has an epidemic. Once you have them, they are easy to get again.

Char
Itching as a way of life wrote:
Revolution stopped their itching for a couple of days only. What should I do now?
adanaturkey8385

Newman Lake, WA

#6 Jul 28, 2008
Treat them again and send them to be kenneled or to a friend's house until YOU get rid of them or the animals will keep getting them and keep giving them back to you. It's a vicious cycle.
I've only read this one post of yours. Last option, just treat the animals and give them away.
The easiest solution.

Char
Itching as a way of life wrote:
Revolution stopped their itching for a couple of days only. What should I do now?
Welty

AOL

#7 Jul 28, 2008
I say to drop the Revolution. It does not seem to work like Ivermectin injections. I did use it for two months every l4 days, and then for six months. My Vet says that the spot ons just don't work on larger animals. A cat is heavy even though not large. My experience is that Revolution sent the mites to my cats extemities. It's not as easy to get a Vet, so call around, but Ivermectin or Doramectin shots are a cure. If you use DeFlea on a pet, and I do think it works for surface mites, but Natural Chemistry says it's not for burrowed mites under the skin because it has to contact them directly to work. Also, it is done killing in five minutes when it dries, so rinse it off, it is very, very drying to human skin, as I tried it on myself, left it overnight and it was weird how dry my collarbone was, (treated area). It wasn't even like skin. So, since DeFlea pet spray works by dissolving the mite exoskeletons in five minutes, just apply, then rinse in five minutes. This could help. Sulfer baths if you can stand it help. I am really sorry that Ivermectin or Doramectin isn't the first choice of vets. But I am glad that I found a vet who will use it, and that makes a huge difference.
Welty

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#8 Jul 28, 2008
After my cat's first Iver shot, virtually all the brown gunk in her ears that started with the Revolution diappeared. I am sure it was mite wastes like ear mites leave. Now all her lifelong dander is gone. Iver shots are like a miracle. Revolution always gave my cat a stagger for a day after applying. It also didn't work at a very aggessive protocol. Iver shots are great.
Welty

AOL

#9 Jul 28, 2008
P.S. If you need a preventative for mites for your pet, then Revolution will help them. If they have mites and are already infested and scratching a lot, then I say go directly to shots. And ASAP. They are suffering too.
Mite Killer

United States

#10 Jul 28, 2008
adanaturkey8385 wrote:
Mite Killer, you had Scabies last year, do you got them again or just supporting people here now?
Just wondering, I got them back again, 4th time.
I swear Spokane, WA has an epidemic. Once you have them, they are easy to get again.
Char
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I just don't know. I thought I was clear several times, only to find burrows on my feet. Same thing with my dogs paws. His ears have been an issue too. My ears and nose are targets as well.

The yard may be hosting mites, coyotes are numerous and they may be spread by rats or rabbits, who knows.

The cats are inside only now. The dog has to out but is kept mostly on cement driveway area.

It's no where near as bad as it was but one mites is 1 mite too many!

Are you in Spokane Valley area? I was told fleas can't survive there but those mites can survive just about anywhere.

Mite Killer

United States

#11 Jul 28, 2008
Welty wrote:
I say to drop the Revolution. It does not seem to work like Ivermectin injections. I did use it for two months every l4 days, and then for six months. My Vet says that the spot ons just don't work on larger animals. A cat is heavy even though not large. My experience is that Revolution sent the mites to my cats extemities. It's not as easy to get a Vet, so call around, but Ivermectin or Doramectin shots are a cure. If you use DeFlea on a pet, and I do think it works for surface mites, but Natural Chemistry says it's not for burrowed mites under the skin because it has to contact them directly to work. Also, it is done killing in five minutes when it dries, so rinse it off, it is very, very drying to human skin, as I tried it on myself, left it overnight and it was weird how dry my collarbone was,(treated area). It wasn't even like skin. So, since DeFlea pet spray works by dissolving the mite exoskeletons in five minutes, just apply, then rinse in five minutes. This could help. Sulfer baths if you can stand it help. I am really sorry that Ivermectin or Doramectin isn't the first choice of vets. But I am glad that I found a vet who will use it, and that makes a huge difference.
I have to agree topical spot-on treatments can cause the mites mites to head for protected territory. Why the systemtics don't provide coverage for inside ears, nose and under nails is strange. Even injected or oral treatments can miss areas on the body for some reason. I think it's necessary to apply a additional topical to those areas where mites like to hide. Besides and extra spot-on treatment of avermectin, BB or Permethrin can be used on dogs. Extra avermectin spot-on can be used on those hiding places on cats.

I have to constantly treat one of my feet. I don't see how mites could survive the daily treatments on my foot. The adult female couldn't survive the scabicide or avermectin. Still the eggs hatch and the I've found new burrow areas. I just don't know anymore. The avermectins are killing 99% of the mites but my feet are so difficut to clear up. I soak, I treat, I scrub, I scrape......I dig... I'm sick of it.
Mite Killer

United States

#12 Jul 28, 2008
Welty wrote:
After my cat's first Iver shot, virtually all the brown gunk in her ears that started with the Revolution diappeared. I am sure it was mite wastes like ear mites leave. Now all her lifelong dander is gone. Iver shots are like a miracle. Revolution always gave my cat a stagger for a day after applying. It also didn't work at a very aggessive protocol. Iver shots are great.
Welty, That is such good news!!!!!!!!!!
Itty Bitty Critters

Hollywood, FL

#13 Jul 28, 2008
Welty wrote:
After my cat's first Iver shot, virtually all the brown gunk in her ears that started with the Revolution diappeared. I am sure it was mite wastes like ear mites leave. Now all her lifelong dander is gone. Iver shots are like a miracle. Revolution always gave my cat a stagger for a day after applying. It also didn't work at a very aggessive protocol. Iver shots are great.
Welty. It is sooooo great that your cat is getting better on the ivermectin injections. That is good news!! I'm glad you posted that. As I always thought the Revolution was just a waste of money for my pets.
Welty

AOL

#14 Jul 28, 2008
MK, I am so sorry to hear about your feet. Are these burrows on the tops of your feet? Bottoms? Have you tried sulfer? I will tell you what I use to discourage mites from establishing themselves on my feet. AmLactin lotion. This lotion contains lactic acid, also a beautifying alpha hyroxy acid!, and mainly I found out about lactic acid by the way of lice killing, when I thought I had head lice and body lice combined.(Didn't know, this was about a week total that I thought that, because "they" said scabies doesn't affect the scalp, and that you should have a rash in your hands or wrists.) The lice product was invented for pets, it's called Exner Petguard and you can only get it in the UK and Europe. It also helps mange. The website says that it is human safe and the manufacturer drank some. Well, I don't know because I couldn't order it, but that's when I tried the yogurt with a lot of success, because I knew it has a lot of Lactic acid in it, and no perfumes or fillers! It is full of skin friendly bacteria to repopulate the skin's needed good bacteria that we wash away. And scabies can and does cause bacterial secondary infections as we all know. If you have reoccuring Impetigo, that is bacterial, but the friendly, healthy bacteria of yogurt would be even better for you. Ditto on if it's fungal. What do you have to loose? Are you using topical Iver on these things? Could that be causing your problems? Your mites will not want to hang around if you use AmLactin lotion on your feet. I don't think it kills any burrowers. But surface mites hate it and will move on in a few days to somewhere easier to treat. I apply it to my feet at bedtime. Also, I got some Crocs shoes (Even Ross has these for cheap) and I wear them morning and night. I wear them with freshly ironed socks, and I wash the croc shoes with gel alchohol. They are antimicrobial and antifungal. I do not go barefoot in the house now. In the middle of the night I slip into the crocs to go to the bathroom. That helps. Anyway, the AmLactin I apply once/day at bedtime. It seems to get rid of the crawlies. I use yogurt once a week on everything itchy and to treat my scalp. It even feels good when it dries and the itch relief is also great. If it's still mites you have, yogurt will get rid of all surface mites in that area and it's safe for total body. While I don't count on topical yogurt to kill the burrowers, it rebalances the skin, fights bacteria and fungi, stops itching, and helps your skin to heal. The AmLactin lotion is too moist for comfort for full body use and I did once, but felt funny, but on the feet, it's fine. It will at least get the mites to relocate in about a week. I like yogurt much better, but it's not convenient so I only use it weekly to repopulate the good bacteria to help me fight off the bad bacteria. Really, try the yogurt first. It's cheaper and will help more conditions. Get yogurt with live cultures. It does feel icky while it dries, then blissful dry non--itching. Do it at bedtime for a week. Eat some. The Iver does deplete the stomach bacteria also. I know it's a home remedy and I do believe in real meds, but this is a huge help also. Get your skin healthy and see if it's still mites or not. I hope not. If it is, try Perm again for at least three weeks seven days apart. Perm isn't the ineffective thing that everybody says but it does take multiple treatments. I have used Perm twice a week apart and I am not itching today and no bumps. At all. I will still treat, as I know this is not the end of it, but rather the middle of a 28 day cycle, if it is a full life cycle of mites on me. If I get another major reinfestation sensation, then I will take Iver. But maybe Iver doesn't get the extremities, like feet. So get them out of there with daily use of topical yogurt or AmLactin. P.S. Don't use AmLactin on raw skin. Yogurt fine on raw skin.
Welty

AOL

#15 Jul 28, 2008
By funny, I mean, I felt bad with the Total AmLactin treatment and I wish I hadn't done it since it doesn't kill burrowers anyway. I don't feel bad from Perm, but the AmLactin is not something that should be used total body. Hands and feet or spots are fine. Just because something is Over the counter doesn't mean that it's good full body. I think that woman who used BenGay over her entire body was trying to cure scabies and died doing it. I wondered at the time about the story about someone using that over her entire body, and WHY anyone would do that. That was before scabies. Now I know a desperate person will try anything, but many of them still think that Perm is bad for some reason and won't use it. It does work. It just takes more treatments that they say. It'll work. Give it a few weeks of weekly treatments. Use it in the scalp, and don't wet or wash the hands, use it for about l8-l8 hours and top it off on itchy spots, use no deoderant to allow penetration in the pits. It's a good item. It works. Just do an extra treatment past when you think it's over. Get the last few hatchee stragglers.
Mite Killer

United States

#16 Jul 28, 2008
It's mites, Classic burrows! C curved and S shaped. First burrow on instep. Then spread down to upper inside heel. Then another above the initial burrow and surrounding area. Started to effect inside of toes, I found a large blister on the side of one toe nail and dug it out. I tried to out the eggs and and mites.

One burrow is almost gone. The other two burrows are healing but I'll get a new bump filled with fluid every few days and find new that are part a burrow but further under the skin.

I'm out of Permethrin. I've got BB, Lindane and Dectomax.

Sam, can you relate to this?
Itching as a way of life

Sun City, AZ

#17 Jul 28, 2008
Welty, I live on the west side of the valley of the sun and go to Scottsdale at least once a week. What's the name of your vet?
Welty

AOL

#18 Jul 28, 2008
MK, I meant get those mites out of your feet with lactic acid topicals, in your case I'd use yogurt, applied to your feet nightly, for a week or two, and then try Iver again or a full body topical of your choice. If by chance, topical Iver is causing problems for you, then don't use it. It's not for human skin, so you might not want to use it, as our skin is not the same. Are you or your pets worse since starting this? It sounds good, but the labels all say it is very irritating to the skin. Get your pets off the spot ons, the Revolution, as it keeps the mites in the hardest places for their Doramectin or Iver shots to work. Revolution is for preventing mites, if they already had them it does the opposite, it drives the mites into their extremities and makes it hard for the Iver to work on them. I have learned more from you than anyone, but I think that you might be creating a problem or irritating your skin or pet's skin if that's what you're using. I am all about trial and error, but I have a feeling that this pour on stuff is more of a spot on, and might be creating a resistance, and my vet does not think spot ons work for these very well. Ditto me. Total body treatments are what you need. You choose. Spot treats are just for during the week, then a full body treatment. You can't really spot treat into a cure.
Welty

AOL

#19 Jul 28, 2008
Hi Itching. My vet is in the Pacific NW, I think you should have a better time with your low humidity and heat. You should call around, let your fingers do the walking, and ask if their vet would be open to using Ivermectin for a pet, with no collie blood if it's a dog, they can't use Iver on collies. Cats okay. And then ask if the vet is open to using Iver for mange. I doubt that my vet would have used it, except that my cat had a history of crusts and a major scratch place on the base of the ear. If your pets have anything like this, it will be easier, but call around. If you have a current vet you like, go to him or her. If they've turned you down, tell them your pet will need to be put down, by him, then they'll usually find the Iver.
Itching as a way of life

Sun City, AZ

#20 Jul 28, 2008
Since I don't know what my pets and I have, should I buy the fleabusters and the mite rx from the same company to treat the carpets?

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