Sulfur mis-information - anybody have the accurate info?

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jphs

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Apr 9, 2010
 
Here are some questions and comments about information that is available regarding the sulfur treatments, specifically the sulfur 101 faq. It also inquires about the mechanism of effect

1) Different between precipitated & sublimed, and effecacies, and misinformation thereof
2) Mechanism of effect/action for sulfur treatment and different carriers

There seems to be some misinformation about using sulfur to treat scabies.

For example, on the sulfur 101 document,
http://www.safe2use.com/scabiesboard/2005_03/... ,
Voyajer talks about making your own sulfur powder, but says to buy the "Flowers of Sulfur" powder (called also precipitated sulfur or sublimed sulfur).

"Flowers of Sulfur" is sublimated sulfur, NOT precipitated sulfur. Precipitated sulfur is a much smaller particle size, and is also called "Milk of Sulfur." They are very different forms of the same element.
My research indicates the pharmeceutical sulfur scabicide is a 6-10% precipitated sulfur in petroleum (Sulfur Ointment USP), because precipitated is more effective because of the size of the particle.

Voyajer talks about using Acnomel effectively, which is 8% precipitated sulfur, altho it has another active chemical called Resorcinol 2%. It doesn't look like he actually made an effective scabicide himself, he just explained how he would make one, and he cited sublimed sulfur instead of precipitated, calling them the same thing.

Historical documents i've read have commented about the efficacy of precipitated over sublimed, but that sublimed was used as well by increasing the amount. One journal mentioned a 1 part sublimed/ 4 part benzoinated lard, and there was also one that stated 1 part sublimed, 2 parts benzoinated lard (2 days for a child). There's also mention of additional ingredients in order to promote its effecacy, including potash (potassium carbonate).
I have questions about the mechanism of action for the sulfur as well. One school of thought is that the base (vasoline, oil, lard, etc) suffocates the mite, and the sulfur burns them when they evacuate.

I've also been reading that the sulfur does something to some cell structure and some protein blab blah blah.

"the interaction of sulfur with cysteine within keratinocytes probably accounts for the keratolytic effect. Antifungal properties of sulfur are related to formation of pentathionic acid by cutaneous bacteria and keratinocytes (as well as keratolytic shedding of infected stratum corneum). In regard to scabies, formation of hydrogen sulfild and polythionic acid, which are toxic to the mite, in addition to shedding of the stratum corneum from the mite’s burrow, may be the mechanism of action in the treatment of scabies."

I'm not sure what this means, but I'm trying to see if the petroleum base for the sublimed sulfur acts to inhibit the mechanism of effect, or does having a more penetratable carrier (lard, lanolin, olive, sesame) better serve it's mechanism.

Thanks. Thoughts? Discussion? Info?

jphs

Disclaimer: This is not medical advice and I am not a dr. or healthcare practitioner.
jphs

Portland, OR

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Apr 9, 2010
 
-> Historical percentages and statement of the efficacy of precipitated over sublimed:

http://books.google.com/books...
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-->Current statement of efficacy of smaller sulfur particle (precipitated) over larger (sublimed)

Sulfur is a time-honored therapeutic agent useful in a variety of dermatologie disorders. Its keratolytic action is due to formation of hydrogen sulfide through a reaction that depends upon direct interaction between sulfur particles and keratinocytes. The smaller the particle size, the greater the degree of such interaction and the greater the therapeutic efficacy. When applied topically, sulfur induces various histologie changes, including hyperkeratosis, acanthosis, and dilatation of dermal vasculature. One study showed that sulfur was comedogenic when applied onto human and rabbit skin, findings that were not reproduced in other studies. About 1% of topically applied sulfur is systemically absorbed. Adverse effects from topically applied sulfur are uncommon and are mainly limited to the skin. In infants, however, fatal outcome after extensive application has been reported.***

Sulfur revisited†
Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology, Volume 18, Issue 3, Pages 553-558
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Apr 9, 2010
 
Hi, this is just so interesting. from my experience, as i just started using sulfur mixed with petroleum jelly and other oils, the mites and burrows get so dessicated. all the remnants just slip out of the skin after a long hot shower. I massage with alcohol after shower, and I feel on my finger tips all the hard, dry stuffs that are being let out . Looking at them, sometimes, they look like real dry debris. the sulfur has just burn them. you do not get to see the scabies at all. they come out through the burrows looking dark greenish blue. the eggs are black like dots and sometimes just a few foils (the burning action) cause I mix sulfur with tea tree oil, peppermint oil, etc. Now, i am not afraid anymore to be in contacty again with anyone of the bugs/or eggs as I am covered with sulfur and I know they cannot survive if they get on my skin . all I have left on me is the burrows, the tunnels are lined with something and when I massage they come out dried whitish kind of. they feel like pieces of wet tissue when I pass alcohol on and scrape them out.
Let us know if you get same. I JUST BUY POWDERED SULFUR USED FOR MAKING ACNE PREPARATIONS AND PARASITIC PREPARATIONS OFF THE PRESCRIPTION COUNTER OF DRUGSTORES. I HAVE EVEN USED THE SUBLIMED ONES AND IT WORKS JUST THE SAME.
WHEN I MIX IT, THE SULFUR DOES NOT DISSOLVE, IT TURNS THE PREPARATION YELLOW . IT BECOMES MORE OR LESS CREAMY.
GOOD LUCK
jphs wrote:
-> Historical percentages and statement of the efficacy of precipitated over sublimed:
http://books.google.com/books...
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-->Current statement of efficacy of smaller sulfur particle (precipitated) over larger (sublimed)
Sulfur is a time-honored therapeutic agent useful in a variety of dermatologie disorders. Its keratolytic action is due to formation of hydrogen sulfide through a reaction that depends upon direct interaction between sulfur particles and keratinocytes. The smaller the particle size, the greater the degree of such interaction and the greater the therapeutic efficacy. When applied topically, sulfur induces various histologie changes, including hyperkeratosis, showed that sulfur was comedogenic when applied onto human and rabbit skin, findings that were not reproduced in other studies. About 1% of topically applied sulfur is systemically absorbed. Adverse effects from topically applied sulfur are uncommon and are mainly limited to the skin. In infants, however, fatal outcome after extensive application has been reported.***
Sulfur revisited†
Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology, Volume 18, Issue 3, Pages 553-558
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Apr 10, 2010
 
I think a thick base is to keep the cream on the skin for as long as possible. When eggs hatch and emerge into the sulfur they die. Suffocation works temporarily but some killing agent mixed into the cream is needed.
I say this because when I was heavily infested and felt like I might die with all the permethrin poisons, I got relief from heritage products castor oil all over my body. Its thicker than other brands. It felt wholesome and healing. Palma de christi. It was heavy and gloppy but gave me relief from crawling skinmites for the night. The next day they were back full force from new hatches.
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Hi,

I bought sulfur powder from Humco, and I believe it was 8 or 14 oz, for $10.

I used it as a "pert" of the "regime" I was doing at the time, but when I went into "dtermined to get rid of them mode"...I was at the agricultural feed stor, and picked up a 4lb bag for $10....I used the sulfur they put on flowers in the garden to keep mites off.

It is called dusting wettable sulfur. I had scabies pretty bad too, crusted in some areas, so I decided to use vaseline and sulfur for about 30 days, and it helped ALOT. I am so thankful I am able to walk again....My ankles are normal - I acquired pitting edema from kidney damage from Ivermectin.

The dusting wettable sulfur is 90%, I used it and it helped, and I just prayed the 10% of inert ingredients wouldn't affect me badly, but who knows? I'm still alive. Actually it was $8.49, HI-Yield Sulphur Dusting Wettable
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Apr 10, 2010
 
jphs wrote:
-> Historical percentages and statement of the efficacy of precipitated over sublimed:
http://books.google.com/books...
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-->Current statement of efficacy of smaller sulfur particle (precipitated) over larger (sublimed)
Sulfur is a time-honored therapeutic agent useful in a variety of dermatologie disorders. Its keratolytic action is due to formation of hydrogen sulfide through a reaction that depends upon direct interaction between sulfur particles and keratinocytes. The smaller the particle size, the greater the degree of such interaction and the greater the therapeutic efficacy. When applied topically, sulfur induces various histologie changes, including hyperkeratosis, acanthosis, and dilatation of dermal vasculature. One study showed that sulfur was comedogenic when applied onto human and rabbit skin, findings that were not reproduced in other studies. About 1% of topically applied sulfur is systemically absorbed. Adverse effects from topically applied sulfur are uncommon and are mainly limited to the skin. In infants, however, fatal outcome after extensive application has been reported.***
Sulfur revisited†
Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology, Volume 18, Issue 3, Pages 553-558
Sorry 4 the typos...keyboard is still saran wrapped.
wtm

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Apr 23, 2010
 
Sulfur 8 from Walmart works great, especially on the "privates". Rub it into the skin, leave it on a few minutes, and then rub the bugs out !!!

If you keep those areas covered with the Sulfur 8 at night, the mites will not bother them.
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Jun 18, 2013
 
I'm in the prizes of trying this new acne medication..lets see the results.
Ill get back to you all.:)
jake

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Aug 24, 2013
 
So, how did you use it to get rid of the mites? Shower, then sulfur cream, or sulfur cream then shower. Did you leave it on? I heard you can burn it to kill them out of your home but it can kill humans if burned.
vss

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jake wrote:
So, how did you use it to get rid of the mites? Shower, then sulfur cream, or sulfur cream then shower. Did you leave it on? I heard you can burn it to kill them out of your home but it can kill humans if burned.
Yes, you leave it on your skin overnight or during the day, either way. No, don't burn sulphur to get them out of your home. There are other cleaning ways to remove mites from your environment and car. Burning menthol crystals does nothing, either.
jake

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Aug 27, 2013
 
vss, burning sulfur does work. Please don't say it doesn't unless you have used it and know different. It is what bird sanctuaries use and btw, I have bird mites, not scabies. Sulfur is the only way to kill them in a home.
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jake wrote:
vss, burning sulfur does work. Please don't say it doesn't unless you have used it and know different. It is what bird sanctuaries use and btw, I have bird mites, not scabies. Sulfur is the only way to kill them in a home.
Well, if you have bird mites, then you are on the wrong forum,
you should go to birdmitesorg yahoo group and speak with those people.

you don't need to burn sulphur to kills scabies mites in your home. they die out within 4 days, using nothing, as long as the environment is dry.

use this in bird sanctuaries, but not in your HOME.
jake

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vss, obviously you are ignorant and a topix troll. stfu and get off of this thread. No one asked you anything idiot. Bird mites cannot be killed by anything but sulfur. Many people get misdiagnosed with scabies when they have bird mites and further, how stupid are you to believe that scabies die on their own after four days? You are clueless and stupid
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Jake did burning sulfur work? How do you burn sulfur I think I have bird mites. Thank you in advance
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Yes Jake, how do you burn the sulfur? Will it work on other mites?
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BTW, I have never seen anything come from my skin...black or otherwise. I use a magnifying glass to look. Why do people see stuff? I thought these were microscopic? Just wondering.

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