Scabies - cleaning and laundering

Scabies - cleaning and laundering

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Slomo

Assonet, MA

#1 Nov 26, 2006
It seems like a good idea to separate this topic out. It seems to be generally accepted that laundering bed sheets, clothing in hot water and cleaning /disinfecting the things we use / touch is helpful in preventing reinfection.

The optimal extent and nature of managing the environment is hotly debated. Everyone seems to have some pet theory, with a mixture of urban myths, superstitions and misunderstandings, and perhaps some rational core here and there.

There seems to be a general confusion between managing dust mites and scabies mites.

For starters, I enumerate my pet theories:

1) Dust mites do not burrow but can cause some symptoms in some people who are sensitized by scabies.
2) A tightly woven fabric mattress cover seems beneficial to manage dust mites.
3) Scabies mites are much bigger than dust mites, so any management strategy that is effective against the latter, is also likely to be effective against the former.
4) Borax and tea tree oil seems to be useful when added to the laundry.
5) IMO lysol spray seems to be useful for environmental disinfection.

6) I think Benzyl benzoate would make a great laundry additive. It would remain in the clothes/bedsheets and act as an acaricide ( mite-killer). it is still in use as a food preservative, so I believe it is pretty safe.
The US army used to treat all uniforms with this in WW II.
( Now they use permethrin. I think the permethrin is more effective but perhaps the health hazards are worse.).

I have not tried this, because I do not have an inexpensive source of this stuff. I believe someone posted in another thread that they can get it. Please post if you know of a source of inexpensive Benzyl Benzoate

I have found one laundry additive that has this. I do not endorse or recommend this product, because I have not tried it, but post the link because I believe the ingredients make sense, and they have an MSDS ( material safety data sheet) posted, which discloses what exectly is in their formula.

http://www.natlallergy.com/prod/1235/demite-l...

Seems a bit pricey, i would prefer to concoct my own less expensive version.


Mary

United States

#2 Nov 27, 2006
What Ted in Bangkok recommended using Borax and Hyrodgen Peroxide IS NOT AN URBAN MYTH. He created his cure by TRIAL AND ERROR. His dog had DEMODEX MANGE, which is a different mite than scabies, but (the moron, as you guys call him) said that you can use his solution for sarcops. What he discovered was that the hydrogen peroxide acted as a PENETRANT so that the borax can get into the pores, and kill the mite. It's just that you have to use it ALOT before it will kill sarcops. For a human, he said you would have to use it 8 times for one area. And I betcha he is right. the trick here is the hydrogen peroxide in combination with the borax. I just got a little ticked that you blew him off so quickly. Let's call it Ted's Urban Bangkok myth. The reason I bought the vinyl mattress covers was because I was on a scabies "board" and someone mentioned after she bought the vinyl mattress covers, she had no more mite bites. They do live in couches, because when my dog would get off the couch and I would lay on it, I would get bit up. So, all my couches are in the family room and no one has been using that room in a while. The benzyl benzoate in the laundry sounds like a really good idea. I haven't bought it yet, but I just may. And now I spray the dogs area with Lysol. Never thought about that. You are very helpful. Thanks slomo. Good night Ted.
Mary

United States

#3 Nov 27, 2006
benzyl benzoate.
http://www.researchsupply.net/solvents_etc.ht...
you can buy it here. but it is expensive. one litre for $95? ouch....
where else can you buy it from?
Mary

United States

#4 Nov 27, 2006
Benzyl Benzoate (USP)

Gallon:$50

5 Gallon:$225

200L drum:$2,500 (e-mail us regarding this item)
same place, but "wholesale" price.
Slomo

Assonet, MA

#5 Nov 27, 2006
Mary wrote:
W And now I spray the dogs area with Lysol. Never thought about that. You are very helpful. Thanks slomo. Good night Ted.
Ouch... I did mention in a few posts before that you should under no circumstances spray lysol on skin. It causes a chemical burn, and it is not good for you. Once it is dry, the residue is OK, although I would not use it on clothing or anything that comes in prolonged contact with skin either (such as a pillow case or sheet).
I use it on my mattresses, because I have a fabric mattress cover and a sheet on top of it, so it is not against my skin. This is why you should not listen to morons like me.
In the post above, I forgot to mention this.

Luckily, animals are somewhat protected by their fur, but still, I would not sparay it on them.
Slomo

Assonet, MA

#6 Nov 27, 2006
Mary wrote:
What he discovered was that the hydrogen peroxide acted as a PENETRANT so that the borax can get into the pores, and kill the mite. It's just that you have to use it ALOT before it will kill sarcops.
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They do live in couches, because when my dog would get off the couch and I would lay on it, I would get bit up.
I dunno, Mary. Sounds a bit too caustic for comfort.

There are many other relatively safe substances that are proven by research to kill mites.( ivermectin, permethrin, benzyl benzoate, possibly tea tree oil. Possibly borax)

Peroxide is a strong oxydizer. Basically h2o2. Water with an extra oxygen atom jammed into each molecule. The extra oxygen gets easily released, and you get what chemists call nascent oxygen.( solitary oxygen atoms, that enthusiastically bind with anything). The result is a slow chemical burn.

Mites live in tunnels and pouches they dig in the top layer of your skin. Some also live on your skin, and in hair follicles. I imagine if you sit in a bath immersed long enough they will just drown.

I fail to see any big advantage to a caustic subtance that is guaranteed to irritate my skin. Esp. if someone tells me I have to use a lot. Convenient excuse built right in, if it did not work "well, you did not use it enough".

If you tell me you have discovered a harmless substance that will kill mites on contact with one, or a very few applications, I will be all over it, I promise.
Peroxide and borax does not seem to be it. Burnt motor oil neither ( I bet you it kills the mites.. It was posted here on this board,...but I know used motor oil contains some stuff that is extremely bad for you. toxic and cancer causing).
Mary

United States

#7 Nov 27, 2006
He says to dilute it to a 1% hydrogen peroxide as the bottles are usually 3%. So, you would add enough water to make it 1%. ha ha he he.. my vet says if you add water to h2o2, then you get water. never mind... i think it's less toxic than spraying permethrin on my bites... smiling.
Slomo wrote:
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I dunno, Mary. Sounds a bit too caustic for comfort.
There are many other relatively safe substances that are proven by research to kill mites.( ivermectin, permethrin, benzyl benzoate, possibly tea tree oil. Possibly borax)
Peroxide is a strong oxydizer. Basically h2o2. Water with an extra oxygen atom jammed into each molecule. The extra oxygen gets easily released, and you get what chemists call nascent oxygen.( solitary oxygen atoms, that enthusiastically bind with anything). The result is a slow chemical burn.
Mites live in tunnels and pouches they dig in the top layer of your skin. Some also live on your skin, and in hair follicles. I imagine if you sit in a bath immersed long enough they will just drown.
I fail to see any big advantage to a caustic subtance that is guaranteed to irritate my skin. Esp. if someone tells me I have to use a lot. Convenient excuse built right in, if it did not work "well, you did not use it enough".
If you tell me you have discovered a harmless substance that will kill mites on contact with one, or a very few applications, I will be all over it, I promise.
Peroxide and borax does not seem to be it. Burnt motor oil neither ( I bet you it kills the mites.. It was posted here on this board,...but I know used motor oil contains some stuff that is extremely bad for you. toxic and cancer causing).
Slomo

Assonet, MA

#8 Nov 27, 2006
Mary wrote:
He says to dilute it to a 1% hydrogen peroxide as the bottles are usually 3%. So, you would add enough water to make it 1%. ha ha he he.. my vet says if you add water to h2o2, then you get water. never mind... i think it's less toxic than spraying permethrin on my bites... smiling.
<quoted text>
let us know if it works.
Also::
I want to make sure you read my post above about not using Lysol on skin or animals.
Slomo

Assonet, MA

#9 Nov 27, 2006
So.. I have been doing more diggin for info on dust mites.
Again, my working assumption is that what is bad for dust mites, is also bad for scabies mites.

There is a fair amount of research. Evidently killing these suckers is a big thing for folks with asthma and allergies.

Benzyl Benzoate at 0.03% concentration in laundry does kill mites. Even in cold water. There is mainstream research and tests backing this assertion.

So you need to know how much water yout washing machine uses, and add some BB accordingly. I post one article link:
http://64.233.161.104/search?q =cache:rUbElPdXrx8J:www.vetmed .lsu.edu/vth%26c/Word%2520docs /Other%2520Arthropod%2520Aller gies%252005.doc+laundry+scabie s+benzyl+benzoate&hl=en &gl=us&ct=clnk&cd= 19&client=firefox-a
Slomo

Assonet, MA

#10 Nov 27, 2006
Sorry ,, try this link instead:

http://www.hud.gov/offices/lead/hhi/4E_Effect...
Been there

San Diego, CA

#11 Nov 28, 2006
Given how fragile the mite is: I question how important it is to cook em in a vat of steaming hot water, then add bleach, borax or another substance, then bake em in a hot dryer for much longer than it takes to dry the fabric. Any of you remember Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid? Hell, even if they can't swim, the fall will kill em. I'd say this is overkill.
Slomo wrote:
So.. I have been doing more diggin for info on dust mites.
Again, my working assumption is that what is bad for dust mites, is also bad for scabies mites.
There is a fair amount of research. Evidently killing these suckers is a big thing for folks with asthma and allergies.
Benzyl Benzoate at 0.03% concentration in laundry does kill mites. Even in cold water. There is mainstream research and tests backing this assertion.
So you need to know how much water yout washing machine uses, and add some BB accordingly. I post one article link:
http://64.233.161.104/search?q =cache:rUbElPdXrx8J:www.vetmed .lsu.edu/vth%26c/Word%2520docs /Other%2520Arthropod%2520Aller gies%252005.doc+laundry+scabie s+benzyl+benzoate&hl=en &gl=us&ct=clnk&cd= 19&client=firefox-a
Been there

San Diego, CA

#12 Nov 28, 2006
Mary wrote:
What Ted in Bangkok recommended using Borax and Hyrodgen Peroxide IS NOT AN URBAN MYTH. He created his cure by TRIAL AND ERROR. His dog had DEMODEX MANGE, which is a different mite than scabies, but (the moron, as you guys call him) said that you can use his solution for sarcops. What he discovered was that the hydrogen peroxide acted as a PENETRANT so that the borax can get into the pores, and kill the mite. It's just that you have to use it ALOT before it will kill sarcops. For a human, he said you would have to use it 8 times for one area. And I betcha he is right. the trick here is the hydrogen peroxide in combination with the borax. I just got a little ticked that you blew him off so quickly. Let's call it Ted's Urban Bangkok myth. The reason I bought the vinyl mattress covers was because I was on a scabies "board" and someone mentioned after she bought the vinyl mattress covers, she had no more mite bites. They do live in couches, because when my dog would get off the couch and I would lay on it, I would get bit up. So, all my couches are in the family room and no one has been using that room in a while. The benzyl benzoate in the laundry sounds like a really good idea. I haven't bought it yet, but I just may. And now I spray the dogs area with Lysol. Never thought about that. You are very helpful. Thanks slomo. Good night Ted.
Mary, Are you spraying the dogs area with Lysol or are you spraying the dogs? Neither is good for the dogs. I'm sorry you couldn't keep your cats. Mine are better. One has a some hair loss on his ear margin but otherwise looks ok.

How about trying the safer Permethrin 10% without the Petroleum additive. I posted all the information on the thread Permethrin/Ivermectin. A small container can be purchased at Jeffers.com . Deluted and sprayed on the dogs area. It stays active for about 30 days so you don't have to keep straying.
Slomo

Assonet, MA

#13 Nov 28, 2006
Been there wrote:
Given how fragile the mite is: I question how important it is to cook em in a vat of steaming hot water, then add bleach, borax or another substance, then bake em in a hot dryer for much longer than it takes to dry the fabric. Any of you remember Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid? Hell, even if they can't swim, the fall will kill em. I'd say this is overkill.
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I am not proposing to do BB in addition to all the above mentioned things. I am proposig instead of.
IMO you can just return to your normal laundry routine
( cold water, etc..) and just use BB in the water.
Been there

Escondido, CA

#14 Nov 28, 2006
Slomo wrote:
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I am not proposing to do BB in addition to all the above mentioned things. I am proposig instead of.
IMO you can just return to your normal laundry routine
( cold water, etc..) and just use BB in the water.
Ok. Depending on the cost of BB, using it could cut down on enery costs.

But say without the BB, mites being so fragile, any idea why it takes washing in hot water AND drying in a hot dryer to kill them? a hot dryer alone would dry them out> or the sun? depending on temp.
Mary

United States

#15 Nov 28, 2006
Hi Slomo. I DON'T SPRAY IT ON THE DOGS OR ME. ha ha ha. I spray it around where they sleep on their one towel for the day, and around that towel on the ceramic tile floor. Does it kill mites? Or do the mites just smell pretty after getting sprayed?
Slomo wrote:
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Ouch... I did mention in a few posts before that you should under no circumstances spray lysol on skin. It causes a chemical burn, and it is not good for you. Once it is dry, the residue is OK, although I would not use it on clothing or anything that comes in prolonged contact with skin either (such as a pillow case or sheet).
I use it on my mattresses, because I have a fabric mattress cover and a sheet on top of it, so it is not against my skin. This is why you should not listen to morons like me.
In the post above, I forgot to mention this.
Luckily, animals are somewhat protected by their fur, but still, I would not sparay it on them.
Mary

United States

#16 Nov 28, 2006
Hi Been There: How many animals do you have? Two cats and one dog? Do they all have mites, including you? I still use the permethrin spray around where the dog's sleep (and scratch). I don't think the Lysol does all that much (sorry slomo). I was thinking of buying the one that doesn't have the petroleum in it, but I can't find the post where you guys posted the 3 different kinds??? I'm looking.
Been there wrote:
<quoted text>
Mary, Are you spraying the dogs area with Lysol or are you spraying the dogs? Neither is good for the dogs. I'm sorry you couldn't keep your cats. Mine are better. One has a some hair loss on his ear margin but otherwise looks ok.
How about trying the safer Permethrin 10% without the Petroleum additive. I posted all the information on the thread Permethrin/Ivermectin. A small container can be purchased at Jeffers.com . Deluted and sprayed on the dogs area. It stays active for about 30 days so you don't have to keep straying.
Mary

United States

#17 Nov 28, 2006
Been There: If it is overkill, then what would you remove? The borax - no!! The hot water? no!! The bleach - no!! you can't see these buggers, so we are very diligent in our efforts. i'm going completely broke... I want to move away from here, but then that probably wouldn't help the situation, either.
Been there wrote:
Given how fragile the mite is: I question how important it is to cook em in a vat of steaming hot water, then add bleach, borax or another substance, then bake em in a hot dryer for much longer than it takes to dry the fabric. Any of you remember Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid? Hell, even if they can't swim, the fall will kill em. I'd say this is overkill.
<quoted text>
Mary

United States

#18 Nov 28, 2006
I have used his solution alot. But, the permethrin spray works best on me. Yeah, I know, I am swimming in uncharted territory. I am a big farm animal, don't you know? moooooooooooooooo.
Slomo wrote:
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let us know if it works.
Also::
I want to make sure you read my post above about not using Lysol on skin or animals.
scabies in fl

Lakeland, FL

#19 Nov 28, 2006
Mary wrote:
Hi Been There: How many animals do you have? Two cats and one dog? Do they all have mites, including you? I still use the permethrin spray around where the dog's sleep (and scratch). I don't think the Lysol does all that much (sorry slomo). I was thinking of buying the one that doesn't have the petroleum in it, but I can't find the post where you guys posted the 3 different kinds??? I'm looking.
<quoted text>
The guy at your feed store can order it for you Mary
The 2 brands i know of are Durvet and Martins. NO PETROLEUM. Smell a lil like citrus oil.
I buy Martins because it is AT MY FEED store ALL THE TIME.
I went to a second feed store in my area and all they had was hi-yield 10% WITH petroleum but he said he could order martins or durvet for me.
Ask your feed store guy.
Mary

United States

#20 Nov 28, 2006
Thanks, I will now look them up. I always order my stuff online. I have no idea what a feed store looks like. my owner always keeps me locked up in the field.

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