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“Skin”

Since: May 10

Knoxville

#1 Jun 28, 2010
After all the samples Isent trying to get powder post beetles ID and finally I did. After our subflooring was taken up these black things were all in the nail holes. I feel things pricking me and I get so afraid when I am a lone at night.
I have a pimple like rash on my back and have used the over the counter lice shampoo and it was only a few days ago I saw the comb that came with the shampoo.
I could not get the lice comb through my hair at all.
I had been losing all kinds of hair. But I have thick hair and after I tried to use the nit comb I could not get anything combed through. I immediatly cut my hair and then my skin really went to hurting almost like a burn. I cut and thinned more hair the next moring and it was full of nits. I also saw black things.
I see black things all over this house.
Some black ones and some that are red.
How can I find out how to get a DX on the type of mite I have?
I read that not every entomoligist can identify bird mites or mouse mites.
So please if anyone can let me know.
Sandy

Vizio

Brunswick, OH

#2 Jun 28, 2010
Hi Sandy,

I'm sorry to hear about your struggle but please try to hang in there. It sounds like you have been through a lot. Do you have a local extension office where you live? They usually have an entomologist who maybe able to identify your mite. Or here is a link where you can ask a question about the mites you have. It is an entomologist website where you can ask questions about bugs, You maybe able to send them a sample as well.

http://www.allexperts.com
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#3 Jun 28, 2010
Sandy. It sounds like you have some sort of environmental mite, like a bird mite, since you are seeing black specs everywhere and are getting bit, etc.

Yes, Vizio is right. If you can find an entolomogist to identify your bug, this will help you. I spoke with an entomologist at the University in Gainesville. After explaining things to him about what was going on around here, he suggested that we may have a Northern Fowl Mite or a Tropical Rodent Mite.

Again, join the yahoo group called birdmiteorg. Lots of good information on that group.

Also, the website called birdmites.org has a wealth of information on there.

You will have to keep up with cleaning and killing these parasites.

Don't be afraid of them. Just continue reading and fighting them, and eventually, the numbers will go down.

Good that you cut your hair. Get it as short as you can.

Try the 3 tablespoons of borax, mixed with one bottle of hydrogen peroxide and two bottles of water. this will help kill some of the mites in your skin.

also, if you order sublimed sulfur from amercarx.com and mix that with lotion, you can also apply this to your skin.

there are other more toxic things to take, but since yours are more of an environmental parasite, then it is useless taking ivermectin or permethrin.

keep reading and studying. don't be afraid. you are smarter and bigger than biting mites.

other things you can use is windex as an environmental spray.

also, rubbing alcohol kills these things in the environment.

“Skin”

Since: May 10

Knoxville

#4 Jun 28, 2010
Joe wrote:
Sandy. It sounds like you have some sort of environmental mite, like a bird mite, since you are seeing black specs everywhere and are getting bit, etc.
Yes, Vizio is right. If you can find an entolomogist to identify your bug, this will help you. I spoke with an entomologist at the University in Gainesville. After explaining things to him about what was going on around here, he suggested that we may have a Northern Fowl Mite or a Tropical Rodent Mite.
Again, join the yahoo group called birdmiteorg. Lots of good information on that group.
Also, the website called birdmites.org has a wealth of information on there.
You will have to keep up with cleaning and killing these parasites.
Don't be afraid of them. Just continue reading and fighting them, and eventually, the numbers will go down.
Good that you cut your hair. Get it as short as you can.
Try the 3 tablespoons of borax, mixed with one bottle of hydrogen peroxide and two bottles of water. this will help kill some of the mites in your skin.
also, if you order sublimed sulfur from amercarx.com and mix that with lotion, you can also apply this to your skin.
there are other more toxic things to take, but since yours are more of an environmental parasite, then it is useless taking ivermectin or permethrin.
keep reading and studying. don't be afraid. you are smarter and bigger than biting mites.
other things you can use is windex as an environmental spray.
also, rubbing alcohol kills these things in the environment.
Thanks for reminding me of the birdmites forum.
I had forgotten about you mentioning that.
Our extension agent is pretty worthless. While I was trying to get some insects identified when I had evidence of powder post beetles the agent would sometimes throw away samples I had collected. Some of the samples were sent to state labs and after two year of sending so manythings I hate to start on a new insect.
But we did have a lot of things ID. What is meant by a enviromental mite? I think we have more than one kind because I see a red looking one that is not a clover mite and then a darker one that almost looks like a small tick. I saw black things in my hair but I could not tell what they were plus a lot of white balls.
Now my neck and back are really hurting since I started on the hair.
We are still in the process of getting the new flooring completed and then we may fumigate. I hate to spend that type of money after all this rework on the house. But the misery is so brutal.
I could not believe all the nits in my hair and I didn't even feel them. I mostly feel prickly things. I have to ask about the sulfur. I have some garden sulfur and is it 99% pure sulfur and I have used it on occasions but the bag says not to get on clothes or skin. If it is almost all sulfur why would that be harmful?
Thanks again for replying.
Sandy
Vizio

Thornville, OH

#5 Jun 29, 2010
Hi Sandy,

Joe gave you some good advice on treating your environment and yourself. An environmental mite is one that lives in your home or car, such as the flooring, furniture, paper, boxes, etc. As far as using garden sulfur, some have used it on this forum with no ill effects. Others have used the sublimed sulfur that Joe recommended. You can mix t.e sulfur with lotion or vaseline. 90% lotion to 10% sulfur. Never put straight sulfur on your skin. It can also be very drying so you may want to exfoliate in the shower or bath.

Are the specks you see about the size of a period at the end of a sentence or a bit bigger? You said one almost looked like a small tick. If you'd like, I could help you get an id on these. It's up to you and I don't want you to feel overwhelmed. You are going through a lot but like Joe said, don't be afraid of these suckers. You'll get through this and be a stronger person for it.
southernbuggirl

North Charleston, SC

#6 Jun 29, 2010
Vizio,

Just read your response to Sandy. Hoping you might be willing to take a shot at helping me solve the riddle of the ongoing mite infestation in my home. I am beyond tired and have tried everything. I don't know what to do anymore to help my children and myself.

About five weeks ago daughter started to complain of an itchy scalp....took her to the dr - he said no lice. Within days we were all miserable....itching everywhere. I kept finding black specs (some bigger than a period - even tic sized) on everyone's sheets and in the seams of our clothing. We all had raised red bumps - mine were the worst on my scalp, chest, back. Could even feel things burrowing on my skin and I had maybe 7 large tracks on my back where they were the worst. They also got into our ears and on our eyelashes.

After being seen by our DR (who thought we had scabies but did not take any skin samples), we did elimite twice within a two week period and then left our home for two weeks (we bomed the house with raid foggers and spread roach proufe everywhere before walking out the door). During the time we were gone we also did one round of ivermectin.

We just returned home and within hours I could feel them crawling on me again. I have fresh bites and also found some kind of egg sac or something wound up in my hair....what is this bug? Our symptoms don't seem to fit scabies or bird mites. I have all sorts of samples of the black specs - where can I send them to be evaluated? We are now trying the A&H detergent soaks and also spraying the house with it. Orkin guy is coming in the morning. I fear we will loose everything. My husband keeps thinking that there is some kind of magic bullet out there that will cure us - I have lost hope since I can't even identify what we have in the first place and my dr is at a loss, as well. Please please please - any advice would be appreciated!
Flit Spray

Netherlands

#7 Jun 29, 2010
The magic bullet maybe resides in reading the first post of the case report thread.

Suggestion: go together with your husband to the GP or specialist.

Demand friendly but sure microbiological research to EXCLUDE colonization with staphylococcus aureus or staphylococcus epidermidis, or another VIRULENT infectious agent.

Observe.

If the medic tries to find a silly reason or refuses to help you out....

Call the police!

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#8 Jun 29, 2010
Flit Spray (whatever that is )
could you please check out this lab test site
and let us know what you think.It's a very good
site so take your time.

http://www.labtestsonline.org.uk/map/aindex.h...
Vizio

Utica, OH

#9 Jun 30, 2010
Hi southernbuggirl,

First of all, please make sure you are getting plenty of rest. This will help you take care of your family as well as yourself. It sounds like it could be an environmental mite of some sort since you came home and the crawling started again. It could also be lice or even bed bugs. Since you have the Orkin guy coming tomorrow, he maybe able to id one of the samples or send it off to a lab. Here is a link I found to your local extension office:
www.clemson.edu/charleston They should have an entomologist on staff who can id one of the samples. If not, then ask them where they send their samples to be identified.

You may also want to see a dermatologist who is familar with scabies. Do you feel crawling on the skin or under the skin? Also you mentioned you found an egg sac in your hair. Was it easy to pull out? Lice nits or eggs are very difficult to pull out of the hair. They are tear shaped and almost look like a tiny piece of rice. You have to remember that there is more than one type of lice and it could be a case of head lice or body lice. The black specks could be them or their feces. Body lice can leave welts or bites on the body. They also can leave unexplained scratch marks on the body as well.

Black specks could also be or be associated with bird mites. Do you have any nests near your home? You'll want to remove these asap if you do. Do you have mice or rats in the home? It could be rodent mites. You'll want to get rid of the mice or have the Orkin man check tomorrow. If they are getting into the house, you'll want to find the point of entry and get it closed up. Do you have pets? This also could be a source of reinfection for mites or lice. Also have the Orkin man check for bed bugs. They leave black specks which is their feces. It is usually around the seams of the mattress or around the wooden frame of the bed. It
just depends on the degree of infestation.

Do you have your mattresses/boxsprings/pillows covered with the vinyl or plastic covers? If not, please do so as soon as you can. If you don't have them covered, sweep them off good before you do cover them. You could also spray your A & H mixture on them and letting it dry before you cover them. Duct tape the zippered ends too. This will trap them in there and prevent them from getting out.
You'll want to wash everything in hot water with your A & H powdered soap and dry in hot dryer. Read some of the cleaning threads because this is something that you'll want to stay on top of but remember it doesn't have to happen all in one day. Put a little roach prufe in your sweeper bag. Just drop a little on the floor before and after you sweep. There are a lot of good threads on here about treating yourself and your environment. I don't know how old your kids are so you have to be careful with their treatments if they are little. The A & H baths are very good for kids. Did you have symptoms when you were away from home? Could one of your daughter's friends have lice?

You have to remember there is not one magic bullet that is going to fix whatever it is overnight. I wish I could say that there was...There are a lot of non toxic things that you can. Joe mentioned a few in her post to Sandy. Or read some of the different threads and you can get a few good ideas. It sounds like you are doing that already.
southernbuggirl

North Charleston, SC

#10 Jul 1, 2010
Vizio,
Thank you so much for taking the time to respond! I was feeling very much at the end of my rope yesterday. The Orkin man did come over and took some samples - mostly from our bedding - yuck. He is overnighting them to Atlanta so hopefully we will have some answers soon. He didn't find any bed bug evidence but several small specks he thought were mites. I will contact the Clemson extensions office today - so grateful for that tip!
Funny you should mention bird mites - we did have two unoccupied nests right outside our back door. I was trying to teach the kids about the process of growing vegetables so we picked up two topsy tirvy tomato plants and hung them off of our porch. Instead of tomatos we had birds nests in the top of each. We disposed of them several weeks ago but maybe this is our problem. Our regular exterminator also caught a rat in the home while we were away on vacation so we paid to have the house sealed up. I hate anything creepy crawly - the climate here seems to breed yucky things. So maybe rat mites, bird mites? I am humiliated - our house has always been neat and clean. I am sort of clean freak - I cannot figure out how this happened!
I am headed to the dr. again today - hoping that she will take a skin scraping. Also thinking another round of iver might be good based on what I have read that is working for others. I finally made headway into the laundry. Everyone has three new sets of clothing for the next few days (in separate bags, of course). Did the A&H soaks in the tub. Also using coconut oil. Ordered food grade DE.....now just need to figure out what this mite is.
Still seeing black flakes on bedding and on skin. Def. a lot less but they are there. Kids have the flakes mostly on their scalps - I have them on my back and arms and just about anywhere I have bites. On a more postive note, I slept in our guest room last night and woo hoo - NO BITES!!!!!!!!!! First good sleep since we've returned. I think these things are the worst in our bedroom and bathroom....I can feel them on me almost instantly when I walk in. Could it be tied to mold or something? We've got wood floors in our bedroom - what else could I use to treat wood floors with? Carpet steamer guy is coming today for the kids bedrooms and our living room. I am trying anything and everything to attack whatever it is that has infested our home.
Again, thank you for responding. This is the most isolating and perplexing thing I have ever dealt with. I hope to help the next person once I kick this thing or at least learn to control it.
If you think of anything else I should be doing please let me know. One last thing - how do you fight them in the car? I have bombed it and A&H'd it - going to get it steam detailed.....I'd trade it in but it doesn't seem right to put someone else at risk - thoughts?
Canuckette

Hamilton, Canada

#11 Jul 1, 2010
Hello all - HAND SANITIZER
To SBG: be sure to cover your beds and pillows in plastic. At night, spray the plastic cover on your bed with Windex or A&H spray, then wipe it off with paper towels. Unfortunately, you have to change the sheets every night.In our bathroom, we have been using a towel instead of a rug, so that it can be changed every 2 to 3 days. I found that Windex rubbed into my hair at night and day if you can, would get them out of my hair after a few days. By the way, the Windex look-alikes aren't at strong (by sniff test). Windex helped me originally get rid of encrusted areas. Then I started using the no-name brands and it wasn't working as well so I gave up. I didn't realize till recently that it's not as strong as the blue Windex with ammonia. Just found out last night that the blue is copper sulphate and it also contains methyl hydrate, so any of those may be the killing agent. Or it could be that it just brings them to the surface where you can wipe them off.
I just wanted to post about my recent attempts that seem to be helping. This Thursday, I was just so tired of fighting that I was again desperate. I just couldn't do the soaks followed by the cover the body with A&H spray anymore because I was just exhausted. I work long hours and bring home work. It dawned on me to try hand sanitizer. I put some on my back where the big honkers are and suddenly had dozens of big black ones on my hand. So I continued and the same thing was happening.
Now some of the prolific sites on my legs have shrunk, some sites have lost their redness. That's in 24 hours. I applied it before showering yesterday to wash them off as they came out(I'm too tired to soak right now), and again after, then again before bed and wherever and whenever there's an itch. I had tried iodine and it had a similar but less dramatic effect. And iodine is messy and visible with summer capris and short sleeves. The alcohol in the one I'm using is 65% so I'm going to see if I can find a stronger one. I'm hoping I can kill them before they become resistant to this. For all of you out there, try this. So far, it's amazing.
I sit on garbage bags in my car but know they are all around. Does the Raid fumigator work for cars?
Now if I can figure out how to swab the whole house in hand sanitizer...
Canuckette

Hamilton, Canada

#12 Jul 1, 2010
Re: getting them in your eyelashes and eyelids, I used Bill's recipe of 1 tsp of A&H laundry detergent with with cup of water and rubbed it into the skin on my face and seemed to deter them. Just carefully try it around your eyes. If it's too strong, just rinse it out. It was fine for me and seemed to work. Any time I was using something on my face that they didn't like, they migrated to my eyes where there wasn't any of the stuff that I'd been using. Of course, I haven't put hand sanitizer on my eyes because it is too strong for the eyes. It does burn on any sensitive areas but can be rinsed off without any side effects if that happens.
Vizio

Shelby, OH

#13 Jul 1, 2010
southernbuggirl wrote:
Vizio,
Thank you so much for taking the time to respond! I was feeling very much at the end of my rope yesterday. The Orkin man did come over and took some samples - mostly from our bedding - yuck. He is overnighting them to Atlanta so hopefully we will have some answers soon. He didn't find any bed bug evidence but several small specks he thought were mites. I will contact the Clemson extensions office today - so grateful for that tip!
Funny you should mention bird mites - we did have two unoccupied nests right outside our back door. I was trying to teach the kids about the process of growing vegetables so we picked up two topsy tirvy tomato plants and hung them off of our porch. Instead of tomatos we had birds nests in the top of each. We disposed of them several weeks ago but maybe this is our problem. Our regular exterminator also caught a rat in the home while we were away on vacation so we paid to have the house sealed up. I hate anything creepy crawly - the climate here seems to breed yucky things. So maybe rat mites, bird mites? I am humiliated - our house has always been neat and clean. I am sort of clean freak - I cannot figure out how this happened!
I am headed to the dr. again today - hoping that she will take a skin scraping. Also thinking another round of iver might be good based on what I have read that is working for others. I finally made headway into the laundry. Everyone has three new sets of clothing for the next few days (in separate bags, of course). Did the A&H soaks in the tub. Also using coconut oil. Ordered food grade DE.....now just need to figure out what this mite is.
Still seeing black flakes on bedding and on skin. Def. a lot less but they are there. Kids have the flakes mostly on their scalps - I have them on my back and arms and just about anywhere I have bites. On a more postive note, I slept in our guest room last night and woo hoo - NO BITES!!!!!!!!!! First good sleep since we've returned. I think these things are the worst in our bedroom and bathroom....I can feel them on me almost instantly when I walk in. Could it be tied to mold or something? We've got wood floors in our bedroom - what else could I use to treat wood floors with? Carpet steamer guy is coming today for the kids bedrooms and our living room. I am trying anything and everything to attack whatever it is that has infested our home.
Again, thank you for responding. This is the most isolating and perplexing thing I have ever dealt with. I hope to help the next person once I kick this thing or at least learn to control it.
If you think of anything else I should be doing please let me know. One last thing - how do you fight them in the car? I have bombed it and A&H'd it - going to get it steam detailed.....I'd trade it in but it doesn't seem right to put someone else at risk - thoughts?
Hi,

I'm glad to hear that the Orkin man was of some help and it seems like you are doing the right steps. Thee is no reason to feel dirty, that is not the reason that you got mites. It has nothing to do with it. I just don't want you to feel that way. Have you checked out the site birdmites.org yet? They have a lot of good information and there is a forum there as well. Here's a tip that was passed a long to me about wood floors, use orange oil or lemon oil on them. Mites don't like either flavor. I sprayed my house and car with Cyonara/IGR from doyourownpestcontrol.com . This seems to work better on mites than straight fumigation. I also used this on my wood floors as well, especially between the cracks and around the baseboards.

It's good that you are bagging clothes. This will save you several headaches down the road. I've read where bird mites really like the bathroom and bedroom areas. It's good to hear that you got a good night's sleep. Let us know how your doctor visit went today.
Vizio

Shelby, OH

#14 Jul 1, 2010
Hi SBG,

I'm glad to hear the Orkin man was somewhat familar with mites. Hopefully, they will be able to identify the type and you will know what you are dealing with. It sounds like it could be bird mites. Have you checked out birdmites.org yet. They have good information on there and they have a forum you can join as well. They are very helpful but don't let the site scare you.

As far as the car is concernced, I used Cyonara mixed with IGR (insect growth regulator) that was very helpful in killing everything. You can order it from www.doyourownpestcontrol.com . You have to be careful because it is a professional insecticide. I also used it in my house on a weekly basis, including on my hardwood floors. I sprayed between the cracks and around the baseboards really good. If you want something less toxic, try lemon or orange oil. You can spread it with a dust mop and the mites hate either flavor. You can also put some Borax or A & H down and sweep it up later with your vacuum.

Let us know how your doctor appointment went.
Vizio

Shelby, OH

#15 Jul 1, 2010
sorry about the double post-didn't think the first one went through...
southernbuggirl

North Charleston, SC

#16 Jul 2, 2010
Thanks to Canuckette and Vizio for the continued support and advice. Orkin man got an initial sample - viewed it under the microscope and said we def. have a mite - but not scabies...he's not sure (whatever...why is it sooooo hard to find someone who knows something about mites) so waiting to hear from their lab in Atlanta but since it's a holiday weekend he said we may not get results until monday.....he did come back to gather more samples so they should have plenty to work with. Until then I am going to Windex and hand sanitize the heck out of myself and my home.

Went back to the DR today - she said my skin now does not look like a typical scabies infestation as my burrows are apparently in straight lines on my back and my red bumps present like "bites." However, she did give me another prescription for iver and prem. and is also referring me to MUSC in Charleston, as they have both derms on staff and enviornmental folks. It's going to take 4 weeks until my initial appt....hard to wait. Can't get the kids into their ped. for a follow up until next week. Also talked to an ent. from Clemson University.....awful.....he basically accused my husband and I of having DP.......ummmm, pretty sure I am the last person on earth who would make something like this up. Why is it that there is this whole group of us folks out there and nobody who is doing anything???? Why are people suffering?

Feeling things are hopeless again. I do not know if all the laundry, bagging, bathing and cleaning are worth it. My poor kids (9&7) are distressed and not sleeping as they are worried about "all the bugs" in our home. Should I tone down the efforts so they aren't aware or will that cost us more in terms of our health? Both kids still have black specs on their scalp and in their bedding. They are doing A&H baths each evening and will be taking their second dose of iver tomorrow night. When does this end?

I am seriously considering vacating our home for the rest of the summer - however, what happens when we return? Do people really walk away from their life to get rid of this? And, if so, does it work or does it follow?

So many questions. Thank God for this forum.

Wishing everyone a mite free 4th of July weekend!
Emm

Tulsa, OK

#17 Jul 2, 2010
.I don't have much to add, except be sure your beds are encased in plastic, and try the 10MuleTeam Borax laundry booster. I too, am at my wits end, feeling horribly isolated and positively disgusted with myself and these things, that I can only beat down for a bit and they just come back! I "bombed" the bathroom since the walls and ceiling are out with the Raid 20% permethrin. I feel sick, just postively ill, and half crazed about this mess. I had something come out of one of the sores, its gotten me sick to my stomach just seeing the thing come out. I am absolutely positive it was not a scabiei, I had found 2 scabei in the sore, but this was deep. It looked like it had teeth like sucking things all around one end of it, was larger, then smaller, then a tubish thread like it was about 3cm. much larger than the scabei mites. It wasn't exactly tear dropped shape. I saved it to show the Dr. but seriously I am afraid he will think I am nuts! Is there somewhere I should send this thing? Where are Fox Moulder & Scully when I need them?
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#18 Jul 3, 2010
Emm wrote:
.I don't have much to add, except be sure your beds are encased in plastic, and try the 10MuleTeam Borax laundry booster. I too, am at my wits end, feeling horribly isolated and positively disgusted with myself and these things, that I can only beat down for a bit and they just come back! I "bombed" the bathroom since the walls and ceiling are out with the Raid 20% permethrin. I feel sick, just postively ill, and half crazed about this mess. I had something come out of one of the sores, its gotten me sick to my stomach just seeing the thing come out. I am absolutely positive it was not a scabiei, I had found 2 scabei in the sore, but this was deep. It looked like it had teeth like sucking things all around one end of it, was larger, then smaller, then a tubish thread like it was about 3cm. much larger than the scabei mites. It wasn't exactly tear dropped shape. I saved it to show the Dr. but seriously I am afraid he will think I am nuts! Is there somewhere I should send this thing? Where are Fox Moulder & Scully when I need them?
Find a doctor who specializes in parasites, and get some treatment.

“Skin”

Since: May 10

Knoxville

#19 Jul 3, 2010
Vizio wrote:
Hi Sandy,
Joe gave you some good advice on treating your environment and yourself. An environmental mite is one that lives in your home or car, such as the flooring, furniture, paper, boxes, etc. As far as using garden sulfur, some have used it on this forum with no ill effects. Others have used the sublimed sulfur that Joe recommended. You can mix t.e sulfur with lotion or vaseline. 90% lotion to 10% sulfur. Never put straight sulfur on your skin. It can also be very drying so you may want to exfoliate in the shower or bath.
Are the specks you see about the size of a period at the end of a sentence or a bit bigger? You said one almost looked like a small tick. If you'd like, I could help you get an id on these. It's up to you and I don't want you to feel overwhelmed. You are going through a lot but like Joe said, don't be afraid of these suckers. You'll get through this and be a stronger person for it.
would love to have help!
I think we have more than one type.
I have never felt anything like this.
Everywhere you look you see some type of speck.
Since we are living under a simi construction enviroment cleaning is harder.
The other day I mixed a sprayer and just put a cup that was in the Arm & Hammer box and then water and sprayed the ceiling and walls in the area we are set up to live in. Tile floor and with all the water it just dried.
Next went to the guest bathroom and I had sprayed it with Telstar and Ten Guard and still would see black specks on the floor.
Later I went to take a bath and there were all kinds of bugs even big ones that had nothing to do with a mite. I LOVED IT! HA thought I had those suckers. Short lived though.
I see some that are small red dots. I have a magnifier and a small miscrope and at times think I can make out ones that look tick like.
Please any help I would pay for.
Sandy
I
Armed and Fabulous

San Rafael, CA

#20 Jul 3, 2010
Hi Sandy,

Here are a few things that worked for me for tile areas and bathroom:

For tile floors I had the best results with using a bleach solution in a spray, letting it dry, then following up with dry baking soda and letting it sit for a day. I found that method while on a tangent, thinking that there must be some relationship between these bugs and mold or fungus. This method is recommended for getting rid of black or red mold. It knocked down the bugs in those areas dramatically the very first time.

Later I found an arm & hammer bathroom cleaning spray with bleach included, and used that on the vertical surfaces. I wouldn't suggest using a bleach product on tile & grout forever (bleach can eventually break down grout and caulk even when neutralized wit baking soda)..but while you are battling the bugs, I'd say, go for it.

For other areas, the arm and hammer worked well for me..Pine-sol original scent worked well for the wood floors.

I think you said that you had an exterminator at the house. Did they look in all the crawl spaces and vents to see if there was any evidence of animals there? If, not, you might get another exterminator out to do that..you could search around yourselves -I was always too afraid to do it.

I'm not familiar with the pesticides that you mentioned, but if you haven't already, you might call the people at doyourownpestcontrol.com and ask them what they would suggest you use inside your home, and sprayed at the perimeter outside.

Hang in there, and good luck.

-armed

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