Scabies without symptoms??? A thousan...

Scabies without symptoms??? A thousand questions...

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goingnutshere

Debrecen, Hungary

#1 Nov 12, 2009
Hello Everyone!

I was treated with scabies about 10 years ago. The treatment was Benzyl Benzoat for 24 hours and wash and iron laundry. I was never sure I got properly treated,so I did it again, about 8 years ago, even though I didn't have any rashes or bumps.

Then, here I am 8 years later, thinking have I been treated? I didn't have any symptoms since 8 years ago, and neither of my previous girlfriends. The last girlfriend lasted for 4 years and I haven't seen any textbook symptoms on her.

The reason that I'm writing is because I got a new girlfriend and I thought, okay, maybe I'm not fully treated so I will get BB again in the drugstore and treat myself. This was on Nov. 2nd.

So, the short story is, I started itching and feel crawling on my skin at random places and I think my GF is starting to develop bumps.

Besides the crawling feeling and my very dry hands I still don't see any rashes, burrow. I don't even know what I should be looking for.

I have been to the dermatologist twice since that time and she keeps telling it's not scabies and she prescribed something for eczema (although I haven't used yet). I tried to convince her and told all of the above to her, but still she insists that she doesn't see any scabies symptoms and that my skin is dry...ect.

My questions are:

- Is it possible to have scabies without any of the usual symptoms?

- Is it possible to have it for years without treatment and still not have symptoms?

- Is it possible that my body got used to it in the years and doesn't have an allergic reaction?

- Is it possible that I had them and the BB just resurfaced them?

- Is it possible that I passed them on to the new GF and she developed symptoms in a few (3-4) days?

I feel this pin-prick thing or crawling everywhere since the last treatment (Nov. 2), face, foot, buttocks, fingers, wrists.

I'm not sure what these burrows should look like. When I stretched my skin a bit above the waistline I saw something that may have been burrows. They were 2-3 zig-zag lines, about 0.2.mm- 0.3mm wide and in length about 5-10 mm long. They were red in color and looked more like tiny blood vessels. I can't find them anymore but I think that is where I have felt the itch before.

So, am I going nuts here?

Any help would be appreciated. Does dry skin go with scabies? Should I itchy very badly at night? All I have is the same crawling feeling all day...

I also read something about "scabies larvata" which is when someone with high personal hygene doesn't experience the symptoms.

Thank you
goingnutshere

Debrecen, Hungary

#2 Nov 12, 2009
Forgot to mention I have a pet..
buggie

United States

#3 Nov 12, 2009
I didn't notice the burrows on me for a year. Mine are tiny white slivers like scars. I thought they were kitty scratch scars from childhood.
Zigzag is common.

When you say crawling do you mean feeling vibrations in your skin? Or do you mean you feel a mite walking or racing around on top of your skin?

Vibrations inside the skin are mites hatching in my opinion. I take ivermectin and it kills the internal bugs. You can order ivermectin/stromectal on magicpharma.com or buy it at a feedstore apple flavored horsepaste 1.87 don't buy mixture only use ivermectin. Horses, cows, sheep, dogs, cats get wormed once a year. We should too.
Maybe you can order it online but they may have in hungary.

I never had the rashes and itch of scabies. But I had mites.

A pet?
Lymdip is good, liquid sulfur.
Skf washed her pet x2 weekly with arm and hammer nonperfumed powdered detergent, small amount in a bath. You can also take baths with a small amount, soak head and everywhere, don't rinse off, air dry. Maybe can buy online.
Nightmares Do Come True

Spotsylvania, VA

#4 Nov 13, 2009
I have had severe eczema since I was 2 weeks old, and I am now 38 years old. The difference between mites and eczema is that the cortizone cream for eczema will sooth the area for eczema, but mites will be undaunted by it. In other words, if you use the topical cream for eczema with no relief in two days, the rash is from these darn mites. Due to the fact that I have eczema, I notice that I do not get too itchy, not as itchy as others have reported anyway, probably because I am so used to the under the skin itch of eczema. However, I do get the pimple like bumps from the mites biting or burrowing into my skin. I also have around 100 under the skin crawls from the mites a night. I have lots of young ones racing around my body also, and this is my telltale sign that it is a bug and not eczema. Also, the bugs under the skin crawl and hit nerve endings, causing whole sections of skin to light up from the nerves being hit. Eczema does not send waves of neurological synapsis running through your body, if it does, it is only localized from scratching very deep at the itch. I hope this helps.
goingnutshere

Debrecen, Hungary

#5 Nov 16, 2009
Well, it's been 4 days since I've started this thread and about 2 weeks since the benzyl benzoat treatment and I have to say, my hands are getting normal and I haven't been inching since almost a week...

The dermatologist said in the beginning that this stuff could dry my skin and what I have looks like eczema so I really don't know what's up now...

The thing is, I haven't checked back here since Nov. 12 and I haven't had any symptoms (like I said, rash: never, burrows: I don't know, itching: sometimes).

Now, I checked my GF and my previous GF(5 years) a few times and I don't see anything special on them and they haven't said anything about itching.

Now, here comes the interesting part...

I have logged on tonight, started checking the forums and I started scratching myself and feel itches around my face, scalp, lower legs...

I'm thinking it's mental... I really think I went a little nuts...

I will start treating myself with the eczema stuff and see what happens.

Maybe I should believe the derm. who says 8 years without symptoms is not scabies.

Also useful info, the part of my family that I lived with 8 years ago doesn't have any symptoms (or they never told me...), but there were at least 5 members involved.

I will do some reading on post scabies eczema and see what I can find.

In the meantime, does anyone here believe that he/she has been cured for sure? Maybe the lack of happy ends are what gets people to crazy (like me)...
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#6 Nov 16, 2009
Don't concentrate on the 8 years ago thing. If you have scabies now, you need to be treated, and so does your girlfriend. You may have picked up a mite from your pet. The canine scabies are different than human scabies.

Try ivermectin orally, along with the benzyl benzoate lotion as your topical.

is your computer getting infested?
goingnutshere

Debrecen, Hungary

#7 Nov 21, 2009
Hi Joe!

I thought of this also, but the pet is a 3 year old cat, who never been outside of the house.

Like I said, I have treated myself a few weeks ago with BB and I've been to the derm. twice since, who both times said it was not scabies.

Now, the reason I'm on this forum is to try to find out what's going on, not because I don't want to get treatment.

I'm just getting tired of looking at scabies forums, articles and other documents until 4am every day (which I stopped since the 2nd derm. appointment).

I will post as soon as I develop any symptoms that could be related to scabies but so far nothing.

What I am currently thinking about is this:

I have been treated for scabies 3 times in my life:

- 10 years ago (real scabies)
- 8 years ago (assumed scabies wasn't treated right, no doctor confirmation)
- few weeks ago (assumed scabies wasn't treated right 8 years ago)

The first time, it really shocked me, since I believed that my personal hygiene is far above average (and I think it still is, although I know that scabies is not related to hygiene).

The first treatment was when I was 15. The dermatologist said I only have dry skin and the BB made it only worse. Also said I should switch shower gel, use less hotter water, etc.

What if I never realized that my skin is aging and it is bit dryer than average (because of the 2-3 showers/day) and I have been living in a scabies paranoia since I was 15?

I'm starting to believe that it is all my head. Of course, this doesn't sound good on a scabies forum, but as long as I don't have any of the symptoms I will not get any treatment.

That is of course until someone confirms here that it's possible to have scabies without any visual signs.

What also crossed my mind is that my previous partner doesn't show any symptoms. Even if I am a special symptomless case, wouldn't she have at least some of the symptoms (5 years, same cat)?

And all of the above written is what made my choose my nick as goingnutshere...
Angel

Beijing, China

#8 Nov 22, 2009
I read in some materials that some scabies sufferers do not have the typical symptoms like what the other's have. They do have symptoms, but the symptoms are not like the typical ones.
sam

Roseville, CA

#9 Nov 22, 2009
The hallmark of scabies is intense itching, worse at night, and burrows usually in classic places. The burrows can be hard to see but if a GOOD doctor or derm uses a magnifying glass, they can find the burrows with a dark spot at the end (the pregnant female). If these are not present it's not scabies.

I was cured from scabies but didn't believe it, kept using the meds, caused myself fungal and bacterial infections that felt just like scabies, treated for those and I've been clear for a year. The cured people usually stop posting, but there are some threads called I'm cured.
buggie

Albuquerque, NM

#10 Nov 22, 2009
I never had itching. I finally saw burrows after I had this one year. Tiny, white slivers of lines. Hard to see.
Rather than conclude that it's all in your imagination, I agree that computers are notorious for attracting buggies (light and warmth).

Here's some info that is new to me (take what you like and leave the rest):
"Many people are experiencing what they THINK are bird mites or "super scabies" (we did). Morgellons is vectored with bird mites, scabies, Lymes and Collembola, a cluster of GMO's with a variety of symptoms associated with Morgellons. Our family lost thousands of dollars, moved twice, spent 9 months of hell to discover the answers, and this is our video story."

http://www.nanotransformation.com
GoingCrazy

Apopka, FL

#11 Jul 15, 2011
I have read all your posts and am 100% positive I have these pests! I have never seen burrowing on my skin or a rash. I have however felt this intense, isolated itch in various places that can only be described as intense and DEEP. I do have raised bumps that I itch till they bleed at times. If I itch the tops off they leave a pitted look that develops a scab. I have these on my forearms, neck and now my scalp. I thought it was lice at one point and treated myself for those without any relief. It has been going on for over a year now and I am so irratable and ready to go out of my mind. The itching occurs certain times during the day. I cannot pin point the exact times or say that the night is worse. I do wake up with scratch marks on my arms and neck so severe that they are scabbed up from the intense scratching. I have not been diagnosed by a doctor but did just talk to his nurse and got them to prescribe Permethrin today. I have lathered this stuff from the tip of my head to the bottom of my feet. I am terrified that my family has it too but cannot convince my kids doctors to do the same. They want to see their skin but have no symptoms. I have a feeling that this is going to go on for some time. With me reinfecting myself through my kids and husband until I can get all the doctors to prescribe the medicine together. I see from earlier posts that Dermsil, Sulfur and Lavender Soap, Benzyl Benzoat, Ivermectin and Lymdip are some remedies. I will be looking into these at my local drug store and feed stores. If anyone has any other suggestions please do tell!!
GoingCrazy

Apopka, FL

#12 Jul 15, 2011
I have read all your posts and am 100% positive I have these pests! I have never seen burrowing on my skin or a rash. I have however felt this intense, isolated itch in various places that can only be described as intense and DEEP. I do have raised bumps that I itch till they bleed at times. If I itch the tops off they leave a pitted look that develops a scab. I have these on my forearms, neck and now my scalp. I thought it was lice at one point and treated myself for those without any relief. It has been going on for over a year now and I am so irritable and ready to go out of my mind. The itching occurs certain times during the day. I cannot pin point the exact times or say that the night is worse. I do wake up with scratch marks on my arms and neck so severe that they are scabbed up from the intense scratching. I have not been diagnosed by a doctor but did just talk to his nurse and got them to prescribe Permethrin today. I have lathered this stuff from the tip of my head to the bottom of my feet. I am terrified that my family has it too but cannot convince my kids doctors to do the same. They want to see their skin but have no symptoms. I have a feeling that this is going to go on for some time. With me reinfecting myself through my kids and husband until I can get all the doctors to prescribe the medicine together. I see from earlier posts that Dermsil, Sulfur and Lavender Soap, Benzyl Benzoat, Ivermectin and Lymdip are some remedies. I will be looking into these at my local drug store and feed stores. If anyone has any other suggestions please do tell!!

Since: Jun 11

United States

#13 Jul 18, 2011
GoingCrazy wrote:
I have read all your posts and am 100% positive I have these pests! I have never seen burrowing on my skin or a rash. I have however felt this intense, isolated itch in various places that can only be described as intense and DEEP. I do have raised bumps that I itch till they bleed at times. If I itch the tops off they leave a pitted look that develops a scab. I have these on my forearms, neck and now my scalp. I thought it was lice at one point and treated myself for those without any relief. It has been going on for over a year now and I am so irritable and ready to go out of my mind. The itching occurs certain times during the day. I cannot pin point the exact times or say that the night is worse. I do wake up with scratch marks on my arms and neck so severe that they are scabbed up from the intense scratching. I have not been diagnosed by a doctor but did just talk to his nurse and got them to prescribe Permethrin today. I have lathered this stuff from the tip of my head to the bottom of my feet. I am terrified that my family has it too but cannot convince my kids doctors to do the same. They want to see their skin but have no symptoms. I have a feeling that this is going to go on for some time. With me reinfecting myself through my kids and husband until I can get all the doctors to prescribe the medicine together. I see from earlier posts that Dermsil, Sulfur and Lavender Soap, Benzyl Benzoat, Ivermectin and Lymdip are some remedies. I will be looking into these at my local drug store and feed stores. If anyone has any other suggestions please do tell!!
Dear Going Crazy, if your doc is giving you the meds, you need to ask him to treat the whole family. It even says this on the CDC site. Tell him you think they may be infested also. Need to clean your enviroment. It is hard when there is more than one person involved and if you have pets, put them out if you are able. This is very contagious and you need to get a grip as soon as possible.
Take Care of PETS

Germany

#14 Jul 18, 2011
Wrong again GMB.

You must not have pets!! Pets need to be treated with ivermectin and/or Revolution. These are the two meds most vets use to treat mange mites.“Putting them out” is not going to cure this on the pets. The pets have to be handled, bathed, and taken care of. Once anyone in the family handles a pet, the mites will be transferred right back on them; and the reinfestation starts all over again. Yes, treat the whole family, but don’t leave out the furry ones. You don’t “put your pets out” when they are sick.

I think we need to “put you out” for a while, so you can make it outside in the heat and cold. Or put you in a trash can and SHUT THE LID. What do you think?

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#15 Jul 18, 2011
Yes, you can be asymptomatic (not have symptoms). That's one of the main reasons Dr.'s miss it so much and people get reinfected. I thought I caught this from my dog, but only upon treating it did I realize I've had it for years. All the faded "eczema", dry skin, etc I've had for over 5 years (a conservative estimate, probably more like 10, but I can't be sure yet) is healing. I've never had any itching, blisters, flaky skin, scabs or any "typical" symptoms. I've been diagnosed with everything from keratosis pilaris to dermatitis to mild acne (when I was younger) to eczema. Turns out the whole time it was scabies. The burrows became clearly visible, hidden deep under the skin, a few days after I began imidacloprid treatment.

Pets are more easily treated, IMHO, than humans. My dog is on Advantage Multi and it works well. When I was first treating, I did Revolution every two weeks. That's the key - every two weeks while you/pet are infected or it's not going to work fast enough. The scabies gurus of the internet may disagree, but.

You do definitely have to treat the pets, though. The mite can be transferred from humans to people. I live near a major metro area and my vet, Dr. and even pharmacist all agreed this was the case. So even the medical community is now acknowledging it.

I think atypical presentation of scabies may be more common than "typical" symptoms you see/hear about on the internet. Almost no one seems to have the exact same signs.

Since: Jun 11

Fairmont, WV

#16 Jul 18, 2011
Take Care of PETS wrote:
Wrong again GMB.
You must not have pets!! Pets need to be treated with ivermectin and/or Revolution. These are the two meds most vets use to treat mange mites.“Putting them out” is not going to cure this on the pets. The pets have to be handled, bathed, and taken care of. Once anyone in the family handles a pet, the mites will be transferred right back on them; and the reinfestation starts all over again. Yes, treat the whole family, but don’t leave out the furry ones. You don’t “put your pets out” when they are sick.
I think we need to “put you out” for a while, so you can make it outside in the heat and cold. Or put you in a trash can and SHUT THE LID. What do you think?
The person did not mention pets, I just suggested that if they did they might want to put them outside. Yes if they have them would want to treat them of course. I wasn't suggesting anything other than there could be a problem if they did have pets, MEANNIE......who ever you are you are not nice to anyone. Did you even have scabies and if you did? Did you think you got them from your pet? I would never think that since dog scabies is different and will not survive on the human body for more than a couple of days. They are a totally different mite.
Me too

Murrieta, CA

#17 Jul 18, 2011
GMB1306 wrote:
<quoted text>The person did not mention pets, I just suggested that if they did they might want to put them outside. Yes if they have them would want to treat them of course. I wasn't suggesting anything other than there could be a problem if they did have pets, MEANNIE......who ever you are you are not nice to anyone. Did you even have scabies and if you did? Did you think you got them from your pet? I would never think that since dog scabies is different and will not survive on the human body for more than a couple of days. They are a totally different mite.
Actually you can get scabies from a dog. Go to youtube and type in "Healing Scabies with MMS, Part I of II"
james

Europe

#18 Jan 23, 2012
Helo every1. My itchn started on december 11th 2011. After stayn 3days in a house wit a. Fury dirty dog of a friends who hasn't been to a vet in time memorial. The dog stays in the house and its on every single piece of furniture. I started itchn out of d blue, never had dis b4 in my life. I left d house and d itch left with me. I have taken hydrocortisome injection, banocide n nothing seems to work. I still itch (burning sensations/ feeln like something is biting me inside my skin) not noticed any burrow. could it be scabies? Please help.
Diz

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#19 Nov 9, 2012
Did I get scabies from not cleaning the house,its filthy! Also my friend brings her old dog around,it has never had a bath or been to vet? Could I have scabies?
tragicclownfish

Saskatoon, Canada

#20 Feb 23, 2016
I got scabies from my ex boyfriend probably just over a month ago. His symptoms are far worse than mine, with burrows on his elbows , knees and lower back, it's very obviously scabies but still took him 2 doctors visits to be properly diagnosed. My symptoms however are nothing in comparison to his. I have a few itchy spots with no markings unless I scratch them. It is possible to have scabies without a lot of visible symptoms. I have been treated twice with permetherin cream and will do a third 7 days after my last treatment. So far my itch is far less intense and hoping this is the end of it. Point being that sometimes physical symptoms are very mild but still need to be considered as serious since its still possible to spread.

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