I think scabies. Want second opinions

I think scabies. Want second opinions

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Since: Oct 11

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#1 Oct 19, 2011
I am so confused right now because all these different things happened at the same time. I have had eczema since I was a child, but it has been nothing bad at all, just a single small rash that itches sometimes.

1. I think I got a yeast infection (I am male). All the skin on the head of my penis was dry and peeling. It went away in about a week.

2. After that, I got a "rash" in the inside of my thighs. Constant itching.

3. Got a "cold sore" on my bottom lip, as well as chapped lips at the same time.

4. Got a "blister" looking thing on my penis. Popped it and it went away in a few days.

5. Then all the itching started shortly after. The actual rash on the inside of my thighs was completely gone, but itched like it was still there. Around this same time I started itching everywhere. The two worst spots were my butt cheeks and my inside thighs.

Thinking this is all STD related, I go and get "checked" (yeah, what a joke). They see my warts and burn them off with acid, and tell me testing would be pointless since they know I have it already. Also that no STD has all over "itching" as a symptom, so they refuse to test me for anything else besides a urine sample for chlamydia and gonorrhea, which came back negative.

So, about two weeks into the itching, and I'm really starting to feel the toll. I'm using hydrocortisone cream and it doesn't help at all. I go to my normal doctor. He says I have "neurodermititis" and gives me an OTC anti-histamine. Didn't help at all, so I got back again. He gives me another OTC anti-histamine. Didn't help again. I go back again and my normal doctor was gone for the week, and the one that was in sent me to a dermatologist.

This is probably 1.5 months into it now. By now I itch everywhere. Back of neck, chest, stomach, nipples, armpits, hands, arms, back, genitals, butt cheeks, legs, feet. I have pretty decent sized "bumps" on my butt cheek that itch. I developed "lesions" or red spots on my penis, and 3 red bumps on my testicles that all itch. All the itches are different. Some feel like a dry skin itch, others feel like a prickly "something just bit me" kind of itch, especially on my hands. All the itches get worse at night and with heat. All the scratching is leaving me scabbed and red.

I see the dermatologist. He says I have "hives". He glanced at my skin for a second. He did no tests, skin scrapings, or even so much as looked under a magnifying glass. The whole appointment was done in maybe 3 minutes. He sends me home with yet another OTC anti-histamine, tells me to deal with it and come back in 4 weeks.

I only took that anti-histamine once because it flared up the same night the worst yet. My whole face and back were red and I felt really hot. 3 days go by and I go to the ER because I just can't deal with the itching anymore. They give me a steroid shot and sent me away. Again, no tests or anything. The steroid helped a lot with the itching some how. I was supposed to start taking prednisone after the shot but I never filled the prescription because I became convinced I had scabies and went to get a prescription for that.

Why I think it's scabies:
1. I took extremely close up pictures of my hands and found what I think are the trails or "burrows". They are really very small and there aren't that many of them, and they are only on my hands, between the webs of my fingers. I have cross-referenced these pictures with pictures off the internet and put them side by side for comparison. I wish I could show somebody because even the doctors wont look! These pictures are what lead me to believe I have scabies and what drove me to get the prescription.

2. It gets worse at night. And it really does, I don't know why.

3. It started as a rash in my groin area and the itching spread from there to all the spots listed as scabies symptoms.(Inside of thighs, abdomen, buttocks, armpits, and around the nipples)

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#2 Oct 19, 2011
4. The doctors are confusing this with my eczema

5. I think I am having a severe allergic reaction to the scabies and is making my eczema flare up.

If I could show you guys the pictures, I think you would think it was scabies as well. I am the only one who has looked at my skin close enough to actually tell.

I used the permethrin cream last night. It was almost un-bearable for the first hour and a half. My hands and fingers were itching extremely bad. My back and arms would be the second worst. I washed it all off earlier today, and this evening the itching has gone down, but is still there, mainly on my fingers and arms. The tops of my hands and fingers have these tiny red bumps that itch and if I scratch hard enough, will open, and tiny tiny bits of what looks like water comes out.

I have taken the whole week off work and I'm still not sure if I'll be able to go back when I'm supposed to. I just can not work and deal with customers and all that when I'm itching like this.

Anybody please feel free to chime in and give me your thoughts and please if anyone is willing I really want a second opinion on the pictures I took.
Me Too

Murrieta, CA

#3 Oct 19, 2011
It sure sounds like scabies and your worthless doctors should be reported. This is a common scenario! You will need another application of permethrin, 5 to 7 days after the first application. Be sure to apply to head as well. Nothing kills the eggs. Also ask your doctor for oral ivermectin. You have to be extremely thorough in cleaning your environment. Scabies can survive a wash. Boil or iron your clothes. Spray furniture, shoes, car, etc. get a plastic cover for your bed and pillows and wash bedding in borax and arm & hammer detergent in the hottest water possible. Let soak for half an hour, then dry on hottest heat for an hour. If you can't wash toss in hot dryer for a long time. Wipe everything down with bleach water. you have to be relentless in your cleaning....every day! Be sure to wear plastic gloves all the time since your hands are bad as you don't want to transfer the scabies elsewhere. Do not wear the same clothes twice. Boil in-between. You have a good chance of getting rid of them as you are still early in your infection. Hit them with all you got before they get a foothold. Some of us on this forum have been dealing with scabies for years.
Unfortunately, allot of us are in the same boat and have taken matters into our own hands to cure ourselves as the doctors are well known for mis diagnosing this dreaded infection. I have cured myself with Durvet pour-on ivermectin for cattle. A few applications as well as spot treating and I am scabies free. The treatment wont hurt you and it is better to be safe than sorry!
toolonghelp

Milton, FL

#4 Oct 20, 2011
Ok after doing some more research, I think I could be having a herpes outbreak as well, or instead.
The only reason I doubt it could be scabies is because nobody else around me has the symptoms. Nobody at work, nobody at home, and none of my friends. Granted, I don't get out much, and I live in a basement, I think it's possible I just haven't transmitted it to anyone else.

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#5 Oct 21, 2011
Update:

Started prednisone last night. I have also been putting neosporin on the bumps on my butt cheeks. They have gotten a lot smaller but are still there.

I also developed a few more "lesions" or swollen red bumps on my penis, around the same spot as the other ones.

As far as the itching goes, I think the prednisone is helping. The past few days the itching has been mostly confined to my upper body and inner thighs/butt cheeks. My nipples and armpits still get itchy, mainly at night.

The burrows I think I found on my hands are still there.

Gah, I need a good doctor who isn't afraid of working.
Me Too

Murrieta, CA

#6 Oct 21, 2011
Not always, do others get scabies from you or it usually takes 4 to a couple months for them to come down with any symptoms. Several times I have heard even though one person in a household has scabies, sometimes the others don't. That happened with my sister. Even though she had them, her son and husband had no signs of them even though the doctor said it was important to treat them anyway.
Me Too

Murrieta, CA

#7 Oct 21, 2011
toolonghelp wrote:
Update:
Started prednisone last night. I have also been putting neosporin on the bumps on my butt cheeks. They have gotten a lot smaller but are still there.
I also developed a few more "lesions" or swollen red bumps on my penis, around the same spot as the other ones.
As far as the itching goes, I think the prednisone is helping. The past few days the itching has been mostly confined to my upper body and inner thighs/butt cheeks. My nipples and armpits still get itchy, mainly at night.
The burrows I think I found on my hands are still there.
Gah, I need a good doctor who isn't afraid of working.
I mean 4 to 6 weeks or more for symptoms to show, unless you have had scabies before, then it could be right away

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#8 Nov 1, 2011
Ok, here I am still itching. Been to the ER once more, the county health department, and today a different dermatologist.

ER is stupid, county health department actually cared and wanted to help but they don't specialize in scabies or skin conditions. Health department did some STD tests that all came back negative, except for herpes, I'm still waiting on those results.

The different dermatologist saw me and almost immediately thought it was scabies, and said she was 99% sure. She said it "has that look" and that she just treated a kid who looked the same. I told her what the permethrin did to me and told her I wanted an oral and a different topical. I never did the second permethrin treatment because of the reaction I had.

She prescribed me oral ivermectrin and Lindane cream. I was able to get the Ivermectrin today but I have to wait until tomorrow for the cream because they have to order it.

Should I start cleaning stuff tonight or should I wait until I do the cream? I already took the ivermectrin today.

Since: Aug 11

Cannington, Australia

#9 Nov 1, 2011
clean now! wear gloves too! i always get myself in a rut over when to do the big clean! so after you apply stuff you can relax and not sweat off treatment! thats what i do anyway!

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#10 Nov 1, 2011
It's kind of late now, if I start cleaning I won't have anywhere to sleep lol.

Tomorrow I'll get the cream and clean/wrap stuff (I bought a roll of painters plastic) and this time around I'll be able to do the second treatment.(I couldn't even force myself to do the second permethrin treatment, 2 weeks ago, because of the reaction I had to it) I'm not worried about sweating, I weigh 116 lbs, and only summer time humid heat makes me sweat.

With the Lindane cream should I shower before like with permethrin? It's gonna suck either way because these scabies are causing all kinds of crazy stuff with my skin and my pre-existing eczema. I shower once every 2-3 days because my skin, especially on my back and upper body, has been getting dry from showering. It looks fine, but every time I take my shirt off it's like a dandruff shower of tiny dry skin flakes. I'm sure the dry skin is NOT helping with the itching.

Since: Aug 11

Cannington, Australia

#11 Nov 1, 2011
ouch! as long as you have none around after you wash lindane off its all good! i cant believe that he gave you lindane before benzumal BB. i dont know much or how to use it as i didnt like what i read about it! i have read lots about exfoliating b4 treatment and i think from experiance its a good idea,a few of us have been treating right after shower when skin is supple but with lindane i dunno! your choice! a aldy had crusted scabies on here GMB and she insists on using it after shower when damp! apply more where your skin is scaly as cause from experiance exzema hinders treatment! if you have not had it for long it will be a walk in the park :)
CAT

Grandview, WA

#12 Nov 1, 2011
I had the same severe itchy reaction to the permehtrin, but weathered the second course anyway! I cannot tell you haw bad I tried to talk myself out of doing it. I just took a bath in epsome salt for the itching and the relief was significant, but not completely gone! I recommend it afterall it cannot hurt right?

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#13 Nov 2, 2011
Ok I just applied the Lindane lotion. I didn't shower before hand because it's not in the directions and I read online that it already soaks into your skin fast the way it is, and if I shower I could risk over-dosing or severe side-effects. So far it's not making me itch any worse (been on for maybe 15 minutes).

I am worried now because one of the original red bumps on my inside thigh, that hasn't gone away since day 1, is black/dark red today. I applied neosporin on it thinking it's infected??

Today I haven't been itching very bad at all, but I think it may have something to do with the 2 benadryl I took last night before bed (Health department told me to take 2 instead of 1 before bed time)

I've cleaned a lot of stuff, wrapped stuff in plastic, done laundry on hot (hot water heater is set as high as it goes), cleaned computer desk and keyboard/mouse, mouse pad is in washer.

I also bought a new toilet seat, and here's the story behind that. My old one is, I have no idea how old, but it's old, and made out of wood. The finish is coming off of it, and I'm sure whatever I try to clean gets soaked into the wood and stays there. Being that the worst of it is on my butt cheeks, I had to get a new toilet seat just in case.
Me Too

Murrieta, CA

#14 Nov 4, 2011
It is tough dealing with scabies because you cant see them. BOIL your clothes or iron them. I did the hot washing in borax, etc, and they still survived!!! I finally realized it was my clothing. I would seem to be fine and then get reinfected. You have to be diligent in cleaning with your environment too! But you need to BOIL the clothes you wear during the time you treat yourself.

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#15 Nov 4, 2011
Well I used the hottest water possible, and the hot water heater is set as high as possible. I also used about 2 cap fulls of bleach in every load, even colors.

Should the bleach make up for not boiling them?

Since: Aug 11

Cannington, Australia

#16 Nov 4, 2011
i think ytou have to expose them to extream heat,i use borax 2 cups per load on hottest setting then i dry them on hottest heat for hour! you need that extream heat to kill mites and eggs so if you dont want to iron or boil dry everything at launndry matt on highest heat or youll have to iron them

boiling them is not an option for me,i dont have the time to boil all clothes,my partnner does not have scabies and i wash all our clothes together and he is still scabies free. throwinmg them in dryer is so much easier 2 caps is not enough in my opinion...

Since: Aug 11

Cannington, Australia

#17 Nov 4, 2011
how do you feel toolong after your last treatment???

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#18 Nov 4, 2011
Well they always get dried on highest heat for about 70 minutes. I even throw whatever I'm gonna wear for the day in the dryer while I'm showering/waking up.

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#19 Nov 4, 2011
Well yesterday I barely itched at all, all day and night, as well as most of the day today. Come 5-6 o'clock tonight, I'm itching again. Kind of bad tonight, I'm getting little tiny red bumps on my hands, inner thighs, elbows, and stomach/rib cage area and they itch.

I've been out of the prednisone for a couple days, which I think is what was helping with the bumps.(I think the bumps are hives caused by the allergic reaction to the scabies)

Also I've been taking 2 Benadryl, one around 9pm and another around 10:30 or 11. The actual name brand Benadryl has been the only anti-histamine to help with the itching, and I have to take 2 for it to work. I've tried 4 others, and none of them did anything, and one of them made it worse. Anywho, I think the Benadryl is lasting well into the daytime the next day as today during the day time I didn't itch at all.
Me Too

Murrieta, CA

#20 Nov 4, 2011
toolonghelp wrote:
Well yesterday I barely itched at all, all day and night, as well as most of the day today. Come 5-6 o'clock tonight, I'm itching again. Kind of bad tonight, I'm getting little tiny red bumps on my hands, inner thighs, elbows, and stomach/rib cage area and they itch.
I've been out of the prednisone for a couple days, which I think is what was helping with the bumps.(I think the bumps are hives caused by the allergic reaction to the scabies)
Also I've been taking 2 Benadryl, one around 9pm and another around 10:30 or 11. The actual name brand Benadryl has been the only anti-histamine to help with the itching, and I have to take 2 for it to work. I've tried 4 others, and none of them did anything, and one of them made it worse. Anywho, I think the Benadryl is lasting well into the daytime the next day as today during the day time I didn't itch at all.
It could be post scabies, but if you put a scabaside on some of the bumps, do you see tracks? They will try to get away from the poison and in a few minutes you will see them try to escape by way of tracks. If you see tracks, you are reinfested. If you are; then seriously consider boiling or ironing your clothes. It is like boiling eggs, if you throw a chicken egg in a washer, I doubt it would cook.( that is if it didn't break) A dryer, maybe.....some. But they cannot survive ironing or boiling. I wouldn't take the chance. The more chances you give them, the more foothold they will have in your environment. If it is sheets you are washing, most likely they will be killed, but if it is in a blouse, that has embroidery, or bead work...there are nooks and crannies where they can hide. Use common since.

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