Been There

San Diego, CA

#21 Feb 9, 2007
Sam wrote:
BT,
First of all I'd like to thank you for all of your work the past few weeks, in answering all of the new people's questions, and doing so much research and posting links, and sincerely trying to help everyone. I hope everyone else appreciates all the work you have done for them.
I used the horse paste in my toenails a couple of times, but with taking it orally, like I said I'm basically a chicken, and a scaredy cat too, and didn't want to absorb too much of any medicine. I use different things around my nails, BB, sulfur, oils that are SUPPOSED to kill them, and permethrin. As for cutting the cuticles, there are none to cut, because I work in an office, and don't have dry cuticles to cut.
Once I got a prescription from a doctor by showing him the pictures I took of the black dots in my nails. I think they probably got under my fingernails from all the scratching, but I can't figure out why they went into my toenails.
Do you think it would be ok to use a dab of the iver horse paste around the nails every day? All 20 nails are cut 2x week very short.
Hi Sam,
thank you for your very kind words. Same to you Sam for being so helpfull to everyone. You have great compassion and a great attitude.

I just want everyone cured ASAP. and of course the childern and animals, it all breaks my heart. Then I start thinking about the wolves and other wildlife who suffer from infestations. There has to be a reason we are going through this but sometimes life isn't fair.

Use the paste or BB every day on your nails. Have you tried using peroxide to open the area up a bit before applying the topical?

Someone used wart remover on the nails before applying a topical of BB I think. did you see that article? did you try this? it's been posted.

Oh, if you remember where you saw the posted link to the vitro study of several topicals, can you repost it for me? I can't find the darn thing.
Mary

United States

#22 Feb 9, 2007
Sam. I have never seen any black dots or eggs. I have never seen a live scabies mite. I guess because I have dog mites (or it could be cat mites), this is the reason I can't find them. I really don't know. The only thing that shows up physically is a little red dot. I scratch it off and then spray the permethrin on it, because there is probably a female in there somewhere or a male or eggs. But, I do see these things that look like warts, when I'm looking at my arm through the 30X magnifier. It's probably a small scar of some sort. My most significant problem right now is when I go to bed. They come out of the wood work and start to bite me. Today I went to Walmart and bought the plastic cover for my box springs (cause I didn't have one on the box springs). It may help. And when I get paid, I guess I should buy the BB. I can't reach anything else to look at with that magnifier. I can reach my legs to look at them. I have really bad eyesight, though to begin with. I am almost blind in my left eye. You can use that horsepaste on your toenails and fingernails as spot treatment, NO PROBLEM. I remember slomo saying that he used it a little bit as spot treatment.
Sam wrote:
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Mary, Good question, I don't know the answer. My nodules are large, don't need a scope for them. That's why the doctor wanted to send one to the lab, but it came back not viral in composition, meaning it wasn't a wart. Maybe we all have little things like yours and don't even know it? Do you still see little black dots in your skin? I still see them where I have an itchy spot, although fewer and fewer. Still in my nails and I'm treating them daily because I think that's part of the problem why I still keep getting reinfected.
Sam

Tuolumne, CA

#23 Feb 9, 2007
Mary wrote:
Sam. I have never seen any black dots or eggs. I have never seen a live scabies mite. I guess because I have dog mites (or it could be cat mites), this is the reason I can't find them. I really don't know. The only thing that shows up physically is a little red dot. I scratch it off and then spray the permethrin on it, because there is probably a female in there somewhere or a male or eggs. But, I do see these things that look like warts, when I'm looking at my arm through the 30X magnifier. It's probably a small scar of some sort. My most significant problem right now is when I go to bed. They come out of the wood work and start to bite me. Today I went to Walmart and bought the plastic cover for my box springs (cause I didn't have one on the box springs). It may help. And when I get paid, I guess I should buy the BB. I can't reach anything else to look at with that magnifier. I can reach my legs to look at them. I have really bad eyesight, though to begin with. I am almost blind in my left eye. You can use that horsepaste on your toenails and fingernails as spot treatment, NO PROBLEM. I remember slomo saying that he used it a little bit as spot treatment.
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Thanks Mary, the horsepaste iver might be better for prolonged treatment of the nails. The BB is very strong, and after using it (even the pre-mixed Benzemul), made my nails very weak. After using it only a few days on my hands, I went to cut my nails, and they cut really easy, like the nail trimmer went through them like butter. So I know it's pretty strong stuff.

I know the feeling of trying to lay down to take a much needed nap or to sleep at night, and feeling the crawlies. I hate that! Are you mopping the bedroom floor daily with bleach? No rugs? Wiping the vinyl bed cover daily with bleach or alcohol? I'm surprised you don't get more rashes and burrows, just a red dot here and there. The BB REALLY HELPS to get them out of the sheets, I'm not kidding. Or the De-Mite product which has BB and some other things in it too works well. I used to flop the mattress off the box springs to wipe in between them, because I felt that they hid in between the vinyl covers to come out and attack me at night. Thanks again for your suggestions of using the iver paste in nails - I'll try it.
Mary

United States

#24 Feb 10, 2007
Hey Sam. I've been kind of lazy about mopping with bleach. You are right, I should bleach the floor in my bedroom more often. The house is so big and I bleach mop the entire house, and concentrate on certain areas where the spoiled rotten dogs go. I am definitely going to order the Benzyl Benzoate next week. Yeah, as soon as I turn the lights off at night, the party starts. Last night, I tried to find the bumps and scatch them off and then spray the permethrin (in the dark). Lovely, huh? I am wondering if the BB will damage my washer and dryer? Sam, how is it going? I know you said you were almost finished. Did they come back strong or what?
March 6th will be one year. The mites are going to have a really big bash that night, I am sure. At least they don't play their music really loud, when i'm trying to sleep. I am going to spray more permethrin now in between the mattress and box springs. That might help, too.

Sam wrote:
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Thanks Mary, the horsepaste iver might be better for prolonged treatment of the nails. The BB is very strong, and after using it (even the pre-mixed Benzemul), made my nails very weak. After using it only a few days on my hands, I went to cut my nails, and they cut really easy, like the nail trimmer went through them like butter. So I know it's pretty strong stuff.
I know the feeling of trying to lay down to take a much needed nap or to sleep at night, and feeling the crawlies. I hate that! Are you mopping the bedroom floor daily with bleach? No rugs? Wiping the vinyl bed cover daily with bleach or alcohol? I'm surprised you don't get more rashes and burrows, just a red dot here and there. The BB REALLY HELPS to get them out of the sheets, I'm not kidding. Or the De-Mite product which has BB and some other things in it too works well. I used to flop the mattress off the box springs to wipe in between them, because I felt that they hid in between the vinyl covers to come out and attack me at night. Thanks again for your suggestions of using the iver paste in nails - I'll try it.
Sam

Tuolumne, CA

#25 Feb 10, 2007
Mary wrote:
Hey Sam. I've been kind of lazy about mopping with bleach. You are right, I should bleach the floor in my bedroom more often. The house is so big and I bleach mop the entire house, and concentrate on certain areas where the spoiled rotten dogs go. I am definitely going to order the Benzyl Benzoate next week. Yeah, as soon as I turn the lights off at night, the party starts. Last night, I tried to find the bumps and scatch them off and then spray the permethrin (in the dark). Lovely, huh? I am wondering if the BB will damage my washer and dryer? Sam, how is it going? I know you said you were almost finished. Did they come back strong or what?
March 6th will be one year. The mites are going to have a really big bash that night, I am sure. At least they don't play their music really loud, when i'm trying to sleep. I am going to spray more permethrin now in between the mattress and box springs. That might help, too.
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No they did not come back strong, just some lingering spots. And when I get lazy about cleaning, they somehow find me. I agree with what Isolated said about a week ago, it's crazy that it seems like there are millions of them in the environment, yet they are only supposed to live a short time off the host? It takes me about a half hour just to prepare to sit at the computer. vac area really good, clean chair, clean table and put plastic on the table, vac keyboard, mouse and put plastic on, spray carpet with TTO.
Mary

United States

#26 Feb 10, 2007
lol...... it seems nuts, doesn't it? lol... i'm sorry. i have to laugh, because when I want to lay down, you know, just for a nap or whatever, i look at my bed and just stand there looking at it. lol... i know i want to lay down, but if i haven't done the bedclothes and sprayed, i can't lay down. IT SUCKS!! It seems that you are overkilling the computer area, though. lol.... i have my grape juice here and next to it, is my pretty bottle of permethrin. i took my ivermectin this morning, so i'm clean of mites right now. that should last about 24 hours. I have 24 hours to do whatever i want without burrowing mites. Yeah!!! It's like a holiday....:-)
Sam wrote:
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No they did not come back strong, just some lingering spots. And when I get lazy about cleaning, they somehow find me. I agree with what Isolated said about a week ago, it's crazy that it seems like there are millions of them in the environment, yet they are only supposed to live a short time off the host? It takes me about a half hour just to prepare to sit at the computer. vac area really good, clean chair, clean table and put plastic on the table, vac keyboard, mouse and put plastic on, spray carpet with TTO.
Mary

United States

#27 Feb 10, 2007
You know, I'm thinking that the mites are actually laying eggs where they can and the eggs are actually hatching out in the environment. I know that the literature says they can't do that, but I'm thinking that it happens. Well, that's good that you are just about there, Sam.
Sam wrote:
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No they did not come back strong, just some lingering spots. And when I get lazy about cleaning, they somehow find me. I agree with what Isolated said about a week ago, it's crazy that it seems like there are millions of them in the environment, yet they are only supposed to live a short time off the host? It takes me about a half hour just to prepare to sit at the computer. vac area really good, clean chair, clean table and put plastic on the table, vac keyboard, mouse and put plastic on, spray carpet with TTO.
Sam

Tuolumne, CA

#28 Feb 10, 2007
Mary wrote:
You know, I'm thinking that the mites are actually laying eggs where they can and the eggs are actually hatching out in the environment. I know that the literature says they can't do that, but I'm thinking that it happens. Well, that's good that you are just about there, Sam.
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I don't believe the literature anymore, that keeps repeating the same thing over and over without any new experimenting. One article posted on here said they do lay eggs without being on a host. The literature says a bunch of things we know is not true, like they don't go above the neck, except in babies, elderly, etc. Unless a report has a recent experiment to report, I'm not giving the same old useless and outdated material any weight. One doctor told me there are only 1-3 mites on the body. oh yeah?
Scabies In Georgia

Monroe, GA

#29 Feb 11, 2007
Just wanted to post a thank you to all of you. I've been using lotion twice a day every day now and my skin is slightly better...the appearance of bumps is still there. The only thing is that my bumps are small, red and some are just a small red dot on the skin, but not raised up. I don't have any that are large or driving me crazy with itching, etc. I think unfortunately my skin just might take some time to recover. Anyone else have or had the type of bumps that are flat, small red dots on the skin..Just curious? Thanks to all the good luck to everyone...This site and everyone on it are so very appreciated.
Mary

United States

#30 Feb 11, 2007
Scabies in Georgia. Yes, these are the type of pin prick dots that I get. Do you have pets? My mites are from my pets. The "itching" is worse at night time when they move around.
Scabies In Georgia wrote:
Just wanted to post a thank you to all of you. I've been using lotion twice a day every day now and my skin is slightly better...the appearance of bumps is still there. The only thing is that my bumps are small, red and some are just a small red dot on the skin, but not raised up. I don't have any that are large or driving me crazy with itching, etc. I think unfortunately my skin just might take some time to recover. Anyone else have or had the type of bumps that are flat, small red dots on the skin..Just curious? Thanks to all the good luck to everyone...This site and everyone on it are so very appreciated.
No Mites

AOL

#31 Feb 12, 2007
This is a good website - talks about itching after treatment for up to 6 weeks ( post scabies)
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/331/7517/... of the authors suffers from Scabies too. Also, mentions using Malathion if you aren't able to use Permethrin.

My only tips to add are
1) After you shower, use paper towels to dry with instead of towels that may be infected & reinfect you.
2) When my back really burns & itchs.... I spray it solarcane for temporary relieve. Crazy huh
3) I leave my sm bedside light on all night.I heard they to bite you at night so I am just trying to confuse them about what time it is. They don't start biting me until after midnight.

wrong.diagnosis.com - lots of stuff on itching
www.parasitetesting.com -$10 they will identify your specimen. I read somewhere for $12 you buy your own microscope.

I think I can go back to sleep now. Miserable
Been There

United States

#32 Feb 15, 2007
Posts from safe2use from a few years ago. It all sounds too familiar.

Folks agree that Ivermectin is the treatment choice.

http://www.safe2use.com/scabiesboard/messages...
Missouri

United States

#33 Feb 15, 2007
You might try menthol crystals melted in an electric diffuser. They use this I think to keep mites away from bees. They have helped our house.
Sam

Tuolumne, CA

#34 Feb 15, 2007
Missouri wrote:
You might try menthol crystals melted in an electric diffuser. They use this I think to keep mites away from bees. They have helped our house.
Hi Missouri, this sounds interesting, always open to a new idea. Can you please supply some more info on this, like the brand names and where to buy them? Does your family have scabies, human or animal? thanks!
Mary

United States

#35 Feb 16, 2007
Sam: I was poking around looking for information on the menthol crystals which help keep the mite infestation down on bee colonies, and this is what I found:

http://entomology.ucdavis.edu/faculty/mussen/...
Sam wrote:
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Hi Missouri, this sounds interesting, always open to a new idea. Can you please supply some more info on this, like the brand names and where to buy them? Does your family have scabies, human or animal? thanks!
carl lowe

United States

#36 Feb 17, 2007
Carl, from Beautiful Downtown Burbank.
From where do I obtain sulphur?
Mary

Pompano Beach, FL

#37 Feb 17, 2007
Carl. I got some sublimed fulfur power in a 4 ounce bottle. It is called Flowers of Sulfur. You can mix this power with any lotion and apply. I got this from Navarro Pharmacy in South Florida. I also bought Sulfur Soap (that I use every time I take a shower), it contain 10% precipitated sulfur U.S.P. I also bought this from Navarro Pharmacy in South Florida. Also from this pharmacy, I bought a 2 ounce jar of sulfur 10% ointment. I could have bought that from Walmart, I can't remember. And also, from Walmart, in the African American hair stuff department, I bought Sulfur8 medicated hair and scalp conditioner. a 4 ounce plastic jar. it contains 2% sulfur. None of this sulfur stuff worked for me, but I do use the soap every day. Did you read page 5, from Scabies in FL, from the Scabies is Highly Contagious thread? Scabies in FL gives a lot of good recommendations on treatment of scabies.
carl lowe wrote:
Carl, from Beautiful Downtown Burbank.
From where do I obtain sulphur?
Sam

Tuolumne, CA

#38 Feb 17, 2007
Mary wrote:
Carl. I got some sublimed fulfur power in a 4 ounce bottle. It is called Flowers of Sulfur. You can mix this power with any lotion and apply. I got this from Navarro Pharmacy in South Florida. I also bought Sulfur Soap (that I use every time I take a shower), it contain 10% precipitated sulfur U.S.P. I also bought this from Navarro Pharmacy in South Florida. Also from this pharmacy, I bought a 2 ounce jar of sulfur 10% ointment. I could have bought that from Walmart, I can't remember. And also, from Walmart, in the African American hair stuff department, I bought Sulfur8 medicated hair and scalp conditioner. a 4 ounce plastic jar. it contains 2% sulfur. None of this sulfur stuff worked for me, but I do use the soap every day. Did you read page 5, from Scabies in FL, from the Scabies is Highly Contagious thread? Scabies in FL gives a lot of good recommendations on treatment of scabies.
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Isolated was right, the Walmarts here have discontinued the Pomada de Azufure 10% sulfur and also the tea tree oil.

Any pharmacy can order the Humco 100% sulfur for you. Ask the pharmacist, not the cashiers. Might help if you tell them what you are going to use it for.
Been There

United States

#39 Feb 17, 2007
carl lowe wrote:
Carl, from Beautiful Downtown Burbank.
From where do I obtain sulphur?
If you've got a persistant case of scabies, I hope you get some Ivermectin to go along with your topical
Poe

United States

#40 Feb 17, 2007
CARL - your question about sulfur --

I ordered Dermisil topical cream from TraskResearch.com .(Also the liquid, which I found very helpful.) The topical cream contains sulfur, but not strong enough for me. Eventually I discovered I could add two easily acquired forms -
1) sulfur dusting powder, meant to be put on gardens to fight mites and mildew (100% elemental sulfur)
2) MSM from the health food store - opened up a capsule and poured it into a small amount of the cream.

The cream is useful because it is a water and oil mixture. The dusting sulfur does not mix with water, but the MSM does, so the mixture allows both to penetrate the skin, it seems.

This was a very effective mixture for me, but I was very tentative in its early use, since I had little information about the safety of using raw sulfur. I wish I had been more aggressive early on with it, because now neither seems to have any effect.

What I did notice was that, especially with the MSM, it made the buggers start to crawl, so keep this in mind. The mixture shut down the more recent burrows quite easily.

There is one more thing to know about MSM (possibly the other sulfur)-- it is very effective at shutting down the body's allergic response. This is good and bad. It can quell the itch, but it will prevent burrows from crusting. Without the crusting, a doctor will not have anything to diagnose, and you cannot remove the crusts and scrub out the scabies. This has been a big problem for me, since I have been able to get rid of all the recent (shallow) burrows, but not the ones that were oldest, but never opened up. The skin is smooth - I know the buggers are in there because I can feel them moving and biting.

I am no longer using the sulfur -- I am waiting now for my allergic response to kick into effect so a doctor will take me seriously.

---- Poe (I will cite my source about the MSM and allergic response in a few days.)

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