vss

Hollywood, FL

#1574 Aug 28, 2013
degwar wrote:
Ok VSS, you are real. Excellent.
My apologies, usually its an obvious plant who argues.
Please see mercola.com , http://www.westonaprice.org/ , and http://www.gaps.me/ for the truth about food.
There are many possible reasons you didn't react well to the borax, but it is not because it is a toxic and poisonous chemical! Please be fair to the others on this site. Note that borax is not the only part of treatment, and that Ted was clear that there would be a reaction to it as the die off ensues. In fact all treatments will make you feel worse before you get better.
If in fact you are hosting a parasite,(and I can't be sure because I know virtually nothing about you sorry) then killing it will leave its corpse within you. Multiply this by thousands or millions and you have a recipe for disaster.
Almost all holistic practitioners recommend looking after yourself very well during this period as it a huge load on the immune system. Back off the dose if it becomes apparent you are under load, and resume as you recover.
Considering I am in direct contradiction to the corporate criminals who run this world, I might just stay behind my proxy, no offence, just like my freedom and health thanks.
You are sarcastic and I have no desire to talk to you. you are a troll who comes on here and changes their location, name every time you post. I will not use borax, thanks, but no thanks. I caution anyone out there to use caution when consider drinking or applying borax to their skin.

Since: Aug 13

Auckland, New Zealand

#1575 Aug 28, 2013
vss wrote:
Your posts border on MANIC. You are crazy. You can't just come on here and spit out a bunch of stuff on sugar, detoxing, flouride and a number of things which need to be studied. If you truly want to help, then you stick around and answer some questions that arise on this forum, but don't come here and spit out a bunch of MANIC sh*t to these people.
You want to rate me clueless and mean, then go ahead, I could care less. I've been at this for wayyyyy to long to let a bunch of people who sell sh*t on this forum to make me sound like I don't know what I'm talking about.
Now that's just plain nasty. I suggest you take a moment and actually look at the links i am posting. I expect it will takes days for you to trawl through the data. Especially Dr Campbell McBride. Try to understand the connection between the bacteria in the gut, and the chemicals produced running about your body.
When you are done, then come back and tell me I am manic, mr angry.
Forget emotion, follow the data!
vss

Hollywood, FL

#1576 Aug 28, 2013
I am mainly on this forum to worn newbies about the people who are pretending to be true sufferers and who are trying to sell stuff here.

I want people to get their cure and move on. I know the games being played here, so don't try to get me to try borax, been there, done that. don't try to teach me or herxing, been there done that.

I am only here to see that people don't get ripped off by the scammers here and try to lead them in the right direction.

I am direct and to the point, and everyone wants me off of here, but I'm not going anywhere, because, 80% of the people who comes here need REAL help, not some pansy sulphur soap that does not cure.

Since: Aug 13

Auckland, New Zealand

#1578 Aug 28, 2013
vss wrote:
I am mainly on this forum to worn newbies about the people who are pretending to be true sufferers and who are trying to sell stuff here.
I want people to get their cure and move on. I know the games being played here, so don't try to get me to try borax, been there, done that. don't try to teach me or herxing, been there done that.
I am only here to see that people don't get ripped off by the scammers here and try to lead them in the right direction.
I am direct and to the point, and everyone wants me off of here, but I'm not going anywhere, because, 80% of the people who comes here need REAL help, not some pansy sulphur soap that does not cure.
Note I am not endorsing any product, company or product, nor am I offering anything but the opportunity to read data that is almost all .org (non profit organisations) and yet still VSS slams me. He? claims to only be here to help, yet this individual will not let anyone teach him anything.
You sir are exactly as I picked from the beginning. You are here in a work capacity to discredit the truth.
To the real sufferers I say sugar is the enemy, fix the bacteria in your gut, read my earlier posts, read everything Ted from Thailand ever posted on Earthclinic, but most importantly don't read anything posted by this fool.
FRED

Golden, CO

#1579 Aug 28, 2013
vss wrote:
I am mainly on this forum to worn newbies about the people who are pretending to be true sufferers and who are trying to sell stuff here.
I want people to get their cure and move on. I know the games being played here, so don't try to get me to try borax, been there, done that. don't try to teach me or herxing, been there done that.
I am only here to see that people don't get ripped off by the scammers here and try to lead them in the right direction.
I am direct and to the point, and everyone wants me off of here, but I'm not going anywhere, because, 80% of the people who comes here need REAL help, not some pansy sulphur soap that does not cure.
You're mainly on this forum because you have heavy duty psychiatric issues. That comes from a brain infection.
VSS has been on this forum for 2 plus years and still is too dumb to figure out how to cure this so by all means take her belligerent advice.
FRED

Golden, CO

#1580 Aug 28, 2013
vss wrote:
I am mainly on this forum to worn newbies about the people who are pretending to be true sufferers and who are trying to sell stuff here.
I want people to get their cure and move on. I know the games being played here, so don't try to get me to try borax, been there, done that. don't try to teach me or herxing, been there done that.
I am only here to see that people don't get ripped off by the scammers here and try to lead them in the right direction.
I am direct and to the point, and everyone wants me off of here, but I'm not going anywhere, because, 80% of the people who comes here need REAL help, not some pansy sulphur soap that does not cure.
Q: How stupid do you have to be to be VSS?

A: dumb as a board.
vss

Hollywood, FL

#1581 Aug 28, 2013
FRED wrote:
<quoted text>
You're mainly on this forum because you have heavy duty psychiatric issues. That comes from a brain infection.
VSS has been on this forum for 2 plus years and still is too dumb to figure out how to cure this so by all means take her belligerent advice.
I wasn't talking to you, but now you just have to start bugging me... You just can't let it go, can you....
You are an idiot.

Since: Aug 13

Auckland, New Zealand

#1582 Aug 28, 2013
FRED wrote:
<quoted text>
Q: How stupid do you have to be to be VSS?
A: dumb as a board.
.

Don't take the Bait Fred. The plan is to now bury my posts beneath mindless slather making them hard to find.

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#1583 Aug 29, 2013
degwar wrote:
<quoted text>
Which pharmaceutical company do you work for?
Really?!
Perhaps you missed the fact that boron is an essential element that is missing from the average persons diet. Or is it that you wish to spread mis-information to further your own personal interests.
Please people, I realize there is a miss information campaign being run by those who would profit from your disease, and borax is being targeted because it is messing with the fluoridation program, and cutting profits from arthritis suffers so check your sources are legitimate before posting!
(Note borax is the antidote to fluoride poisoning so there is a vested interest to stop you having access to it. Search for data proving internal fluoride is good for you, and you will discover that data does not exist because ingesting fluoride is dangerous. You will find studies showing topically applied fluoride is beneficial to teeth, but only in low doses. Considering that the data is clear why do the western governments use toxic waste from fertilizer manufacture to treat our water? It is in actual fact illegal to administer any medication or drug without consent, and this has been absolutely disregarded... So why is there fluoride in my water? Same reason you are told borax is poisonous. You work it out!)
http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/borictech.htm...
Sorry, Boric acid and Borax is harmful to humans.

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#1584 Aug 29, 2013
to add, the way people are using borax around them to treat scabies on this forum is/can be toxic to them.It all depends to what extreme they are using it I guess.
DzZ

Golden, CO

#1585 Aug 29, 2013
degwar wrote:
<quoted text>.
Don't take the Bait Fred. The plan is to now bury my posts beneath mindless slather making them hard to find.
Yes that is a consistent strategy of VSS. But I am done here there is nothing more I can offer and there are a lot of people following my thread and using the info but they are in the background.

Only people who have the capacity to put what i've posted in context will be able to make it work for them. VSS is just really bitter because she has failed for so long and takes it out on everyone else.

The Borax only leaves deposits in your kidneys and raises your blood pressure to dangerous levels don't use it, it never cured anyone.

What is actually happening to the majority of people on this forum is the human version of crown gall disease and that is why skin treatments are useless.

Since: Aug 13

Auckland, New Zealand

#1586 Aug 29, 2013
Syl B wrote:
<quoted text>
http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/borictech.htm...
Sorry, Boric acid and Borax is harmful to humans.
Borax and boric acid are nothing like each other and that was a link to a pesticide data base specifically about boric acid. Boric acid is H3BO3.
Borax Is NaB4O7. If you know anything about chemistry it is obvious they are two totally different compounds. More b/s. Come on prove borax is bad for you! I want to see the facts. Show me your data. Tests, double blind. The data I posted included tests on toxicity. Where are yours? Read my posts again. Read the links. Stop posting unless you have a question or REAL data.

Since: Aug 13

Auckland, New Zealand

#1587 Aug 29, 2013
DzZ wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes that is a consistent strategy of VSS. But I am done here there is nothing more I can offer and there are a lot of people following my thread and using the info but they are in the background.
Only people who have the capacity to put what i've posted in context will be able to make it work for them. VSS is just really bitter because she has failed for so long and takes it out on everyone else.
The Borax only leaves deposits in your kidneys and raises your blood pressure to dangerous levels don't use it, it never cured anyone.
What is actually happening to the majority of people on this forum is the human version of crown gall disease and that is why skin treatments are useless.
You are done here yet you find time to put down borax without data, and last I checked crown gal is sensitive to borax and potassium permangenate. Honestly it's a red herring. Crown gall is a plant disease. Our genetic makeup is very different to a plant. It's extremely unlikely. Read my earlier posts. People are here because it is a scabies forum. Not science fiction. Be aware of the real sufferers. When I was researching this people like you wasted so much of my time. Stick to facts you can back up with data please. Or testimonies, anything except b/s
DzZ

Golden, CO

#1588 Aug 30, 2013
Degwar;

You seem to know a lot but you need to dig deeper. The fact is Sodium Tetraborate (borax) did not cure anyone. It does leaves kidney deposits and it does raise your blood pressure because it is a salt.

Crown gall disease is a plant disease caused by a bacteria called agrobacterium. Agrobacterium is the only species known to man to be able to cause horizontal gen transfer. It causes crown gall disease by changing the host DNA. It is the mechanism that is used to genetically modify our food supply.

What they do is to insert a T-DNA gene into the agrobacteriums genome on it's plasmid. Then the agrobacterium infects a host which can be a plant or animal because Agrobacterium will infect human cells too. Then the artificially placed T-DNA is spliced into the host DNA by the agrobacterium infection. Then the agrobacterium infection is removed and the genetically altered cells are cultured and then placed into a host to proliferate. The result is a genetically modified organism. It has been shown that the agrobacterium transgenic DNA stays in the GMO foods that are on our store shelves and is absorbed into the cells of people who eat genetically modified foods.
The proponents of GM foods will tell you that agrobacterium is only a problem in people with compromised immune systems and you can find that in Wiki as well. The typical progression is that someone becomes infected with agrobacterium but doesn't know it because it is opportunistic then they maybe get a mite infection or can have another vector for transmission of a variety of bacterial/ viral/ fungal or parasitic infections. Maybe they got "Lyme" from their mite infection . Then that "Lyme" infection cdramatically compromises their immune system and the agrobacterium infection starts to take advantage of that. In plants it uses the plants componenets to create crown galls that are the centers where the agrobacteria can proliferate. In people the concetrations of bacteria are unhealing lesions. Both the crown galls and those lesions get filled with calluses that become reinforced with fibrinogen. In humans the resources that the infection uses are different so actual crown galls aren't apparent but there are growths that appear under the skin.

When you hear people on this forum talk about biting sensations and crawling on the scalp and head that is one giveaway that their disease has progressed and that they are dealing with something other than mites. You can't cure that with something you put on your skin or by drinking Borax.

It is exactly what the majority of people are experiencing here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrobacterium

"Although generally seen as an infection in plants, Agrobacterium can be responsible for opportunistic infections in humans with weakened immune systems"

http://www.ask-force.org/web/debate/Guardian2...

"GM genes found in human gut"

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/FSAopenmeeting.php

"Recent Evidence Confirms Risks of Horizontal Gene Transfer"

http://umaine.edu/ipm/ipddl/publications/5095...

Agrobacterium is just doing what it does, that is using host materials to create a good environment for the bacterial infection. It does this in the animal kingdom too. That is one of the dangers of GM foods.

That is exactly what is happening here.

The difference between Borax and boric acid has been discussed here already at length. The person who started this thread "STr8up" last posted she had a relapse, that was because she didn't have mites. The only person who thinks they were cured by borax also took high doses of clove capsules for 3 moths and the euganol in those is super ntibacterial and also destroys biofilms."Bill" uses it for maintenance but he isn't cured after 8 years, likely he'll have a heart attack though.

I don't expect anyone here to understand this information. That is the case here, people want it to be simple but it's not simple.

The human version of crown gall disease is called morgellons.
FRED

Golden, CO

#1589 Aug 30, 2013
Degwar;



http://www.genomenewsnetwork.org/articles/12_...

"We know very little about how A. tumefaciens causes disease in humans, but the mechanism of disease does not appear to be the same in animals and plants," says Goodner, now of Hiram College in Ohio. He points out that tumors in plants are caused by very specific changes in plant hormones, which would probably not affect humans."

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/agrobacteriumAndMorge...

"They found that all Morgellons patients screened to date have tested positive for the presence of Agrobacterium, whereas this microorganism has not been detected in any of the samples derived from the control, healthy individuals.

"Agrobacterium not only infects human and other animal cells, it also transfers genes into them. It was SUNY professor Citovsky and his team that made the discovery some years ago [10]. Until then, the genetic engineering community had assumed that Agrobacterium did not infect animal cells, and certainly would not transfer genes into them.

Agrobacterium was found to transfer T-DNA into the chromosomes of human cells."

It's just doing what it does. The name of this place should be the "crown gall disease forum".
fiaff

Hollywood, FL

#1590 Aug 30, 2013
DzZ wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes that is a consistent strategy of VSS. But I am done here there is nothing more I can offer and there are a lot of people following my thread and using the info but they are in the background.
Only people who have the capacity to put what i've posted in context will be able to make it work for them. VSS is just really bitter because she has failed for so long and takes it out on everyone else.
The Borax only leaves deposits in your kidneys and raises your blood pressure to dangerous levels don't use it, it never cured anyone.
What is actually happening to the majority of people on this forum is the human version of crown gall disease and that is why skin treatments are useless.
Fred, you are so crazy. So many times do I see you post that you are finished with this forum, and then within 48 to 72 hours, you are posting again. You have Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. You have no life; because, otherwise, you would not be here. You have no family or social life. So, you are spending your time studying diseases and have expounded your studies onto this forum. Although it is somewhat interesting, I fail to see what your point is being here. Morgellons? Good luck with that... Putting down people? Good luck here on this forum. You are a total arsehole. If you were smart, you would not be here posting anymore. You offer no help to individuals who are asking questions about scabies. You only add to your thread of god only knows what the hell is going on in that brain of yours. Who gives a flying f*ck about gall disease??? Honestly, who cares.... You have lost all credibility here, and this happened when you created two threads on the "99% sarcopitc scabiei cure" threads number one and two. What are you doing here? You will NOT cure morgellons. You yourself are still sick, sick in body and sick in the mind. You are not "cured" of whatever you think you have. What an arsehole you are.
And the credibility goes further when people here realize that you continue to make up accounts and aliases. You are one sick mf.
fiaff

Hollywood, FL

#1591 Aug 30, 2013
degwar is an alias that has been made up by the psycho Denver poster. OMG, how sick are you, Fred?
Why clutter this forum with your sick pscyho babble?

Since: Aug 13

Auckland, New Zealand

#1592 Aug 30, 2013
fiaff wrote:
degwar is an alias that has been made up by the psycho Denver poster. OMG, how sick are you, Fred?
Why clutter this forum with your sick pscyho babble?
Ok. Still so the obvious conclusion is that mites make you manic. I went through all that. See my earlier posts. I am going to spell it out now because you are all stuck in a mind loop.
I am a 42 year old male From Auckland New Zealand. I have been free of a five year scabies and final infection for two years now. So I am no longer manic. I cured it by soaking in potassium permangenate every day for two weeks, eating healthy which means virtually no sugar (candida thrives on sugar and causes skin problems) and 1/4 teaspoon of BORAX in one litre of water each day. I took chlorella, and Zeolite for one year. After years of incredible suffering I recovered. Now I want to share that info. Yet I am slammed by people locked in the mania that scabies causes.
Yes I went down the whole agrobacterium track too. To be fair I can't rule it out. However it responded positively you the condys baths so it is irrelevant. Get some confused and start bathing. Use lots of moisturisers. Confused is very drying. If you aren't keen on eating borax, fine. But wash your clothes bed chairs sheets etc with it and h2o2. Remember the key is both condys and borax. Please be fair to the people searching for a remedy and don't confuse them with petty arguments. I appreciate the detailed replies as I am sure the other readers do. Fact is most people never return once they are cured. I am here because I am clean and free of skin irritation. Share the love. Please read my ealier posts. Apologies to those I was short with. Tip.... don't post when tired it affects the tone.

Since: Aug 13

Auckland, New Zealand

#1593 Aug 30, 2013
degwar wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok. Still so the obvious conclusion is that mites make you manic. I went through all that. See my earlier posts. I am going to spell it out now because you are all stuck in a mind loop.
I am a 42 year old male From Auckland New Zealand. I have been free of a five year scabies and final infection for two years now. So I am no longer manic. I cured it by soaking in potassium permangenate every day for two weeks, eating healthy which means virtually no sugar (candida thrives on sugar and causes skin problems) and 1/4 teaspoon of BORAX in one litre of water each day. I took chlorella, and Zeolite for one year. After years of incredible suffering I recovered. Now I want to share that info. Yet I am slammed by people locked in the mania that scabies causes.
Yes I went down the whole agrobacterium track too. To be fair I can't rule it out. However it responded positively you the condys baths so it is irrelevant. Get some confused and start bathing. Use lots of moisturisers. Confused is very drying. If you aren't keen on eating borax, fine. But wash your clothes bed chairs sheets etc with it and h2o2. Remember the key is both condys and borax. Please be fair to the people searching for a remedy and don't confuse them with petty arguments. I appreciate the detailed replies as I am sure the other readers do. Fact is most people never return once they are cured. I am here because I am clean and free of skin irritation. Share the love. Please read my ealier posts. Apologies to those I was short with. Tip.... don't post when tired it affects the tone.
sorry fug all infection not final
degwar

Auckland, New Zealand

#1594 Aug 30, 2013
That's a fungal infection not final. sorry spell check on my phone is only good for the and it...

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