#1453 Apr 25, 2013
Keys to true recovery;
1. Reading and understanding the role of various infections in the body, these infections are symbiotic and synergistic an many many people are asymptomatic until their infection load reaches a certain point that the immune system can't suppress anymore.
2. Organ support, especially liver and kidneys to aid in restoring the immune system.
3 Use of probiotics to restore good flora in the gut which greatly helps immunity. Only 2%-4% of probiotics taken orally survive stomach acid and make it into the GI tract. Taken orally you need a 45 day course. Taken rectally it all gets absorbed and only takes 3-4 days to restore flora provided a good probiotic is used.
4. Breaking down of internal biofilms, you need a good diet, long term use of Apple cider vinegar is very benificial for this but the enzyme Serrapeptase is better. I bought a bottle of Serrapetase with 270 capsules for $28 online, that's enough to last 4 months, you take it on an empty stomach right before bed. It takes a year of taking it to make sure that every sequestered biofilm is out of your body.
5. Treating with applicable herbal medications for suspected infections for long enough to remove intracellular infections, 8 months.
6. Detoxing toxins from the body.
On this type of program you will see tangible results in a couple weeks or so and improve from there, you just keep treating to make sure it doesn't ever come back.Com pare this to all the negatives that doctors who treat with antibiotics have to offer then make you descision.
Core anti microbials that I have had great success with are;
Long term biofilm treatment, ACV and/ or Serrapeptase.
Liver and kidney support, Lecithin, Taurine, cod liver oil.
Here is a quote from a link that basically sums up the level of understanding that is evolving among the most knowledgable "doctors". This guy is one of the most respected in this arena and he admits they only recently got an idea.
"In the last decade the majority of outcome-oriented physicians observed a major shift: we realized that it was neither the lack of vitamins or growth hormone that made our patients ill. We discovered that toxicity and chronic infections were most often at the core of the clients suffering."
#1454 Apr 25, 2013
You might be able to starve biofilm but that isn't a very proactive course of action and will take a long time and it won't guarantee anything. Meanwhile the microbes in the biofilm are still making mayhem in your body. The use of enzymes is widely accepted among the most knowledgable, Specifically Serrapeptase and Lumbrokinase.
Coincidentally the antimicrobials Samento and Banderol also have great anti biofilm activity.
Diet is important but Don't you want to get this stuff out of you as quickly as possible. Everything I've mentioned is a naturally occuring compound and has minimal side effects and has shown not to create treatment resistance.
#1455 Apr 25, 2013
You need fats in your diet to support organ function, these good fats are called lipids.
#1456 Apr 25, 2013
Sufferers with serious co-infections are cured on dr. Fry's protocol. He does research analyzing patients' samples, not studying Google /websites that sell something.
Apparently your protocol have not cured anyone, just wasted people's time and money ....
#1457 Apr 25, 2013
This is not "My" protocol , what I've done is to research everything that is available that I could find and chose the things that have the best track record as well as scientifically substantiated data that show exact mechanisms of action, and yes these antimicrobials and other methods are very well proven to cure people. The fact is that I am very vital at this point after being tortured for close to two years.
This "Apparently" you speak of is only founded in the perspective that you are adhering to without even bothering to read all the material. I reviewed Dr Fry and many many others to arrive at substantiated conclusions.
You'll notice I would not suggest to anyone to put themselves completely in the hands of anyone, that is because the "protocols" available all have some flaws.
What I'm suggesting is that people educate themselves so that they understand what they are doing, everyone has different needs.
People like you who can't really be bothered to read what I post and think about it and put it some kind of meaningful context then they will need to put their destiny in the hands of someone else.
People need to educate themselves all I am doing is giving them some leads they can follow.
Do you have any particular instance of what I have posted that you can offer evidence to the contrary of what I have posted? Something that is tangible? Instead of just criticizing me, try and find some errors in the information I have posted. So what is wrong with it in particular?
#1458 Apr 25, 2013
Also the term "Lyme coinfections" is very misleading . These infections can exist in any combination. Some experts even say that Lyme should actually be considered a coinfection because there are many other infections that activate Borriela and are worse in the long run.
Also there are approx 100 different species of Borriela in the U.S. alone and they all have different manifestations.
Mycoplasma is the worst of the lot in the long term.
BTW how are you doing on your treatment?, I'm going mountain biking now , it's beautiful in Denver today.
#1459 Apr 25, 2013
For the purpose of looking at your own symptoms and then coming up with some course of action there is this link which could be helpful. It associated varieties of infections with symptoms.
Also I can not stress enough how important it is to do long term biofilm treatment. Apple Cider Vinegar and/or Serrapeptase work well for this.
#1460 Apr 25, 2013
I am completely cured so not doing any treatment :-)). No co-infections! But I do hope that you and everyone else here finds their own way to get cured and healthy. My suggestion is to be under the care of a specialized doctor and always try to find a proper diagnosis. Dr. Fry's labs have great reviews and solved mysterious cases.
BTW, I'm a healthy marathon runner.
Peace and Light to my all my fellow runners and those ones affected by the tragedy in Boston.
#1461 Apr 25, 2013
Well I'm glad you are feeling so healthy but the reality is this;
Clinical Diagnosis is the standard among all the leading researchers because the tests are so unreliable. In turn You really can't say you are cured because their are no concise tests for that, even the most respected doctors leading the way on this will tell you that about 50% of patients go on to relapse even as far out as 5 years after recovery.
I am as recovered as you are but thanks for your well wishes.
"It had been thought that Babesia microti is the only significant piroplasm affecting humans. Now it is
believed that many of the over two dozen known species of piroplasms can be carried by ticks and
potentially be transmitted to the human. Unfortunately, we have no widely available tests for these non-
microti species. That is why, again, a clinical diagnosis is required"
"Because of the large number of these other infections, the cost of reliably testing for all of
them as a matter of routine is prohibitive. Also, as in the case with Bb infection, laboratory
tests for them are often insensitive. Thus there is a need to sort it all out clinically to provide
guidance in testing and treatment."
So there is no definative test to say you are cured.
#1462 Apr 25, 2013
Co-infections, have you seen this video from Dr. Marty Ross?
It's a perspective you should consider.
#1463 Apr 25, 2013
For anyone who has an interest in this thread. I am not promoting buying anything from any particular website and I am not promoting going to see any particular doctor, especially since the waiting list for the few qualified doctors is 6 months plus and they do not take insurance in the case of elusive chronic infections. What I am encouraging is understanding what you are dealing with.
I think this particular doctor has the most collective insight to offer out of all of them.
Do yourself a favor and spend the time.
#1464 Apr 25, 2013
I appreciate your information, the clarity and tone of your posts, and most espcially your lack of defensiveness, despite provocation. Thanks again for all the work you do, and have done.
#1465 Apr 26, 2013
It hasn't always been this easy not to be defensive especially when even through all my efforts people have attacked me based on their own entitlement issues. My own Neurotoxicity has been a battle to understand and treat.
Unfortunately when I first became sick with "super scabies", which I don't believe exists btw, I came to this forum. The toxic chemicals that are being used by people here that the body ingests weather they are taken orally or just put on the skin have so many negative effects on the immune system and overall health that going through that phase was actually very detrimental.
One problem I find with doctors is that they don't treat holistically or the whole body.When you are treated with a tunnel vision method that only targets your apparent direct symptoms a lot of the causing agents are just ignored. The whole body is connected and it all influences every aspect. Here is a goofy analogy , when you take a needle and poke your big toe the word "ouch" almost instantly come out of your mouth. The body is very forgiving and can tolerate a lot so you don't notice it but many exposures still have an effect.
So the major factors that have an influence on your health that are usually ignored by doctors besides microbes in the body are environmental mycotoxicity and EMF overexposure.
Mycotoxicity can be cause by a simple one time exposure to any of a couple dozen toxic molds or continual exposure in your environment.
These toxic molds will grow inside you and when the do they release toxic substance that effect your brain/CNS your immune system and your endocrine system in very negative ways.
Some of the symptoms of mold exposure can manifest as a variety of very serious illnesses but keep in mind that mycotoxicity can work together with other pathogenic and radiation factors to show the final symptoms everyone's symptoms are particular to their own collection of these kind of factors.
When your trying to treat yourself for what is one kind of infection you have to consider other sources and if they are present you have to remove them from your exposure and treat for those too or you won't recover.
A good place to start is to check you home for any evidence of mold, it's in every home in certain places anywhere there is water, I live in Denver which isn't very humid except sometimes in the summer but if you live in a humid area an investment in a dehumidifier could be helpful. The P-traps in your sink drains have some nasty stuff growing in them so about once a month I buy a gallon of white vinegar($1.25) and split it up and pour down the drains , shower and bath too, then just let it sit over night. We use swamp coolers here in Denver which are basically something that runs water over an element made of something mold can grow on then it cools your home and you breath the air in your home. I quit using mine last year. If you think mold is a problem there is plenty of stuff to read on the web about mold mitigation.
You'll need to take some anti-fungal medication as well but it is needed to take away the source of exposure too. Herbal remedies like oil of oregano, Olive leaf extract tincture, garlic and grapefruit seed extract are all very potent antifungals.When I started using OLE this weird skin fungus that I didn't even know I had popped out of my hand and was evident on the skin for a couple weeks then was gone
#1466 Apr 26, 2013
Here is a link showing some of the symptoms associated with mold exposure.
Feelings of Constant Fatigue
Coughing up Blood or Black looking Debris
Loss of Appetite
*Open Sores on the Skin
Memory Loss "Short Term"
Neurological & Nervous Disorders
Swollen Glands in the Neck Area and under the Armpit
Sudden Asthma Attacks or Breathing Disorders
Ear Infections and Pain
Chronic Sinus Infections
Pain in the Joints and Muscles
What does this have to do with "scabies" you might ask. Well every burden you put on the immune system makes it that much less able to clear infection, in fact many times the body gets so run down by a variety of other exposures that it invites parasites. Now it is known that these parasitic organism aren't dumb microbes they actually communicate with pheromones or quorum sensing, that's called collective intelligence.
#1467 Apr 26, 2013
As far as EMF exposure goes these WIFI signals and cell phone radiation actually to weird things to cells and have some pretty bad effects on us. The cells in your body naturally vibrate at 5-15 microns and when that frequency is interfered with it can actually cause cell mutations and cancer. Some people do these "Rife" or "Zapper" treatments which really raises a red flag with me because they are exposing themselves to all kinds of different wavelengths in an effort to kill whatever particular bug is inside them, I haven't seen any meaningful reports of cures with these things either. I believe they are dangerous and should all be outlawed.
I used to cook food in plastic in the microwave just like most everyone. Microwave's leave residual radiation
in the food you eat and they cause PCB's to leach into your food from the plastic. I got rid of both my microwaves for this reason. These energy saving light bulbs put out something called blue mercury light and it is an unnatural wavelength.
So we are surrounded by this electrical smog that our body is affected by.
The relationship between the influence of all these strange EMF exposures and microbes in our body is that , what I've read in a few places, it drives them nuts so to speak. In medical terminology they say a particular microbe is "virulent" if it is particularly aggresive. It is said that these EMF exposures make the microbes inside us virulent.
#1468 Apr 26, 2013
Basically you'll have a lot better chance at recovery if you take all the contributing factors out and allow your immune system to regain some of its ability.
Since: Jan 13
#1469 Apr 27, 2013
Fred - go talk to the guy on the "How much have you spent" thread - he's got Lyme and thinks he has scabies.
Since: Mar 12
#1470 Apr 27, 2013
Fred I enjoy reading your posts... lots of good info.. thank you! redneck hubby & I are still doing well... but I ck in from time to time to see what's going on - on this thread. thanks for your input! You seem to have calmed down which to me seems you are also getting well. Good!
you are a source of info that I do appreciate!
thank you darling
:) I think we could be cyber friends forever... lol
#1471 Apr 27, 2013
Thanks! yes I feel almost "normal"..;)love u 2.....
It's amazing how complex this has turned out to be once I understood all the influences. Igenx is the gold standard lab for Lyme patients. It checks for co-infections too and is considered by the most advanced doctor to be the only reliable source. However that being said the testing is still highly inadequate because the Gov won't legalize the more advanced testing, it would validate and in turn drive the insurance companies into bankruptcy.
Even with the best testing that is available the best doctors only give a "clinical" diagnosis. Igenx can test for the borrelia bacteria very successfully though and they have 98% positive in there tests. The general consensus is that the Lyme spirochete is in all of us now in one species or another. The disease is actually the result of many factors.
There is this Phd. microbiologist, he is highly acclaimed and has written 200 papers, also a nobel prize nominee and his name is Dr. Garth Nicholson, he has some really informative vids on youtube. Anyway he says that the Borriela only becomes active when there is a mycoplasma infection as well. The insect vectors for these infection are numerous and they are acumilating more infections to transmit so the people who get sick from an insect bite are usually receiving at least both of those but probably many more.
The parasite load in the body goes up once you get these other infections because these other infections attack the body in many different ways and use complex strategies to hide from the immune system then when you are stressed or sick and your immune system is low those pathogen actually can read those chemical signals in the body and start to become more agressive.
Mycoplasma are actually pieces of DNA from pathogens that are so small the get inside cells and live in the mitochondria there. They form a symbiotic and synergistic relationship with the spirochetes making the spirochetes much more virulent.
If someone had been exposed to mold like I had been when I chainsawed through this old landscaping timber then that kind of mold grows in your central nervous system and gets in your brain and constantly releases toxins there. I had a lot of different things living in me and you need to work on those in little sections. Top doctors will tell you that if you treat for all the infections that someone has at the same time the herx would be so bad that it would kill someone.
Addressing the fungi/molds that are in people from lifelong exposure does a lot to restore some vitality. Those herbals i'm talking about, the OLE, grapefruit seed extract, etc. work well but they won't do it alone.
One thing you need with the herbals are enzymes. The fungals also hide in internal biofilms so you need to use enzymes for quite a while to destroy that hiding place. Serrapeptase is a must for long term recovery without relapse. You must take that for a year every night before bed on an empty stomach. You also have to take anti-fungal with it so that when then biofilms release the fungi then they can be killed.
I didn't see much results from the H2o2 or oxylift I used by itself, there was some. The oxylift is a pretty cool product because it is ionic oxygen mixed with enzymes and minerals. The ionic nature of it makes it able to get inside cells, which is huge, it also can penetrate biofilms this way.
I definitely did see herx results when I switched from just OLE tincture to OLE Tinc mixed w/ oxylift. that mix was a bomb.
#1473 Apr 27, 2013
The tincture mix is taken on an empty stomach for quick absorption. When he wakes up and then before dinner. wait a half hour to eat.
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