FRED

Golden, CO

#1447 Apr 24, 2013
Itchy99 wrote:
<quoted text>
Great info, Ty Fred, I am going to try the OLE.
sure , here are a couple links that may help you..........

http://biovedawellness.com/2010/02/the-herxhe...

http://www.youtube.com/watch... #!
FRED

Golden, CO

#1448 Apr 24, 2013
Itchy99 wrote:
<quoted text>
Great info, Ty Fred, I am going to try the OLE.
Some things you should consider. Olive leaf extract is not a panacea for all infections. It will take care of many of them but how long you use it depends on the type of infection. Some infections are intracellular, inside the cells, and some are extracellular, in the bloodstream,It is a really good place to start though. It takes about 8 months to a year to clear an intracellular infection, the microbe goes inside the cells and hides from the immune system this way.

If you knew the possible infections and the symptoms you could target those , for example Babesia is a parasitic protozoa and one of the symptoms is small red or purple spots on the skin due to bleeding into the skin from the bore hole. Babesia won't be cleared with OLE for that you need Artemisinin or Cryptolepis.

This is a great quote from this link.

"In the last decade the majority of outcome-oriented physicians observed a major shift: we realized that it was neither the lack of vitamins or growth hormone that made our patients ill. We discovered that toxicity and chronic infections were most often at the core of the client’s suffering."

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/ar...
FRED

Golden, CO

#1449 Apr 24, 2013
When I was working on specifically my babesia infection I took cryptolepis tincture for 14 days and the first 5 days of that felt like I had the flu, that was because of the die off reaction. There is a link above 2 posts above the herxhiemer reaction.

http://interesjournals.org/IRJBB/pdf/2012/Mar...

"The plant C. sanguinolenta has been found to be a well-
known resourceful medicinal plant. Scientific researches
revealed that besides the crude extracts, the major
secondary metabolite, cryptolepine and all other minor compounds have remarkable and numerous pharmacological activity. They were proven to have a
broad spectrum of antipathogenic activity."
Co-Infections

Concord, CA

#1450 Apr 24, 2013
If you think you have lyme coinfections, visit www.frylabs.com -
Besides testing services, on the website there are lots of info on many conditions and their symptoms (babesia/bartonella/ anaplasma/ehrlichia/ Rickettsia etc. etc.)
Also visit www.justinandchrista.ca - after years of suffering, christa was diagnosed by dr fry's labs with protomyxzoa (fl 1953, Lyme co-infection). In her website she explains how she defeated her protozoan infection and its biofilm thanks to the cure of a specialized doctor
( christavanderham.blogspot.com/2011/01/mysteri... )
Here also a video that documents the suffering of christa with evolution of Lyme and Protozoa co-infection. Pretty strong real well-documented by her husband (similar some what to malaria)
www.youtube.com/watch...
Test yourself and see a Specialized doctor!
FRED

Golden, CO

#1451 Apr 25, 2013
Co-Infections wrote:
If you think you have lyme coinfections, visit www.frylabs.com -
Besides testing services, on the website there are lots of info on many conditions and their symptoms (babesia/bartonella/ anaplasma/ehrlichia/ Rickettsia etc. etc.)
Also visit www.justinandchrista.ca - after years of suffering, christa was diagnosed by dr fry's labs with protomyxzoa (fl 1953, Lyme co-infection). In her website she explains how she defeated her protozoan infection and its biofilm thanks to the cure of a specialized doctor
( christavanderham.blogspot.com/2011/01/mysteri... )
Here also a video that documents the suffering of christa with evolution of Lyme and Protozoa co-infection. Pretty strong real well-documented by her husband (similar some what to malaria)
www.youtube.com/watch...
Test yourself and see a Specialized doctor!
If you read all the different sources and look for patterns then you'll see that this is true; The vast majority of doctors treat with a varied and lengthy regimen of antibiotics and the results of these treatments are that in the vast majority of cases are relapse and deminishing health. These kind of treatments do a few things, 1. Empty your bank account,2. Cause dramatic negative shifts in other aspects of your health including removing good bacteria from your system generally resulting in return of fungal infections-they create an environment that facilitates illness,3. Scramble your genes. 4. Make you dependent on that doctor forever. They compromise your immune system which most of is in the GI tract and that is something you should be building up, it is in the GI tract but is a result of organ function and detox pathways.

In the movie "under our skin" one of the main players who had severe lyme was on intravienous antibiotics for 3 years and was just starting to feel better. There have been quite a few studies showing the presense of these various microbes in the system even after long term treatment of 2 years or more. The use of antibiotics in treating yourself for these types of infections has a very poor track record on careful analysis.

It has been repeatedly shown however in scientific studies that herbal remedies, especially tinctures, when used for the right duration have a much better track record at eleviating the infection than any regimen of antibiotics.

The problem with testing is that doctors make a "clinical" diagnosis of these types of infections because these test, although expensive, are really inconclusive and undependable. the doctors interpret the info on the tests combined with the symptom picture to make a diagnosis. Also if you look at the actual statistics of how many people are actually infected with just the Lyme bacteria, some reports say up to half the population, then the testing just becomes a great source of frustration.
I live in Denver and found a highly acclaimed clinic in Colorado Springs
because the appointments for doctors in Denver were booked out 6-8 months. With the tests and there fees the first 2 hour appt. came to $1600. Then they treat with antibiotics. I'm not saying the tests are useless but from the standpoint of actually making progress I think if you want to learn enough to take charge of your own treatment you will be infinitely better off and you won't end up homeless from buying antibiotics that in the long run don't really work anyway.

The key is understanding how these microbes evade the immune system by being pleomorphic, using biofilms, and being intracellular and then adopting the very best strategies to remove them.

I compared everything available to treat these kinds of infections and after putting all the information I read in perspective I would probably only go to a "doctor" if I had a broken arm and couldn't splint it myself. THe doctors who treat intigratively are the best ones but they aren't nearly holistic enough to get the job done either.
Co-Infections

Concord, CA

#1452 Apr 25, 2013
Biofilm can be starved by going on a special fat free diet ( see dr. McDougall diet)-
For ex., treatment for Protomyxzoa includes a specific no-fat diet to starve out the biofilm that leaves the Protozoa exposed to effective malaria-like medications.
Christa then took cholestyramine prescribed by dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, that binds to toxins and helps to rid of them.
Watch christa' movie and consult Dr. Stephen Fry .. He has very high cure rate and of course proper diagnostic tests.
FRED

Golden, CO

#1453 Apr 25, 2013
Keys to true recovery;

1. Reading and understanding the role of various infections in the body, these infections are symbiotic and synergistic an many many people are asymptomatic until their infection load reaches a certain point that the immune system can't suppress anymore.

2. Organ support, especially liver and kidneys to aid in restoring the immune system.

3 Use of probiotics to restore good flora in the gut which greatly helps immunity. Only 2%-4% of probiotics taken orally survive stomach acid and make it into the GI tract. Taken orally you need a 45 day course. Taken rectally it all gets absorbed and only takes 3-4 days to restore flora provided a good probiotic is used.

4. Breaking down of internal biofilms, you need a good diet, long term use of Apple cider vinegar is very benificial for this but the enzyme Serrapeptase is better. I bought a bottle of Serrapetase with 270 capsules for $28 online, that's enough to last 4 months, you take it on an empty stomach right before bed. It takes a year of taking it to make sure that every sequestered biofilm is out of your body.

5. Treating with applicable herbal medications for suspected infections for long enough to remove intracellular infections, 8 months.

6. Detoxing toxins from the body.

On this type of program you will see tangible results in a couple weeks or so and improve from there, you just keep treating to make sure it doesn't ever come back.Com pare this to all the negatives that doctors who treat with antibiotics have to offer then make you descision.

Core anti microbials that I have had great success with are;

Samento
Banderol
Teasel
Cryptolepis
Artemisinin

Long term biofilm treatment, ACV and/ or Serrapeptase.

Liver and kidney support, Lecithin, Taurine, cod liver oil.

Here is a quote from a link that basically sums up the level of understanding that is evolving among the most knowledgable "doctors". This guy is one of the most respected in this arena and he admits they only recently got an idea.

"In the last decade the majority of outcome-oriented physicians observed a major shift: we realized that it was neither the lack of vitamins or growth hormone that made our patients ill. We discovered that toxicity and chronic infections were most often at the core of the client’s suffering."

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/ar...
FRED

Golden, CO

#1454 Apr 25, 2013
Co-Infections wrote:
Biofilm can be starved by going on a special fat free diet ( see dr. McDougall diet)-
For ex., treatment for Protomyxzoa includes a specific no-fat diet to starve out the biofilm that leaves the Protozoa exposed to effective malaria-like medications.
Christa then took cholestyramine prescribed by dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, that binds to toxins and helps to rid of them.
Watch christa' movie and consult Dr. Stephen Fry .. He has very high cure rate and of course proper diagnostic tests.
You might be able to starve biofilm but that isn't a very proactive course of action and will take a long time and it won't guarantee anything. Meanwhile the microbes in the biofilm are still making mayhem in your body. The use of enzymes is widely accepted among the most knowledgable, Specifically Serrapeptase and Lumbrokinase.

Coincidentally the antimicrobials Samento and Banderol also have great anti biofilm activity.

Diet is important but Don't you want to get this stuff out of you as quickly as possible. Everything I've mentioned is a naturally occuring compound and has minimal side effects and has shown not to create treatment resistance.
FRED

Golden, CO

#1455 Apr 25, 2013
Co-Infections wrote:
Biofilm can be starved by going on a special fat free diet ( see dr. McDougall diet)-
For ex., treatment for Protomyxzoa includes a specific no-fat diet to starve out the biofilm that leaves the Protozoa exposed to effective malaria-like medications.
Christa then took cholestyramine prescribed by dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, that binds to toxins and helps to rid of them.
Watch christa' movie and consult Dr. Stephen Fry .. He has very high cure rate and of course proper diagnostic tests.
You need fats in your diet to support organ function, these good fats are called lipids.
Co-Infections

Concord, CA

#1456 Apr 25, 2013
Sufferers with serious co-infections are cured on dr. Fry's protocol. He does research analyzing patients' samples, not studying Google /websites that sell something.
Apparently your protocol have not cured anyone, just wasted people's time and money ....
FRED

Golden, CO

#1457 Apr 25, 2013
Co-Infections wrote:
Sufferers with serious co-infections are cured on dr. Fry's protocol. He does research analyzing patients' samples, not studying Google /websites that sell something.
Apparently your protocol have not cured anyone, just wasted people's time and money ....
This is not "My" protocol , what I've done is to research everything that is available that I could find and chose the things that have the best track record as well as scientifically substantiated data that show exact mechanisms of action, and yes these antimicrobials and other methods are very well proven to cure people. The fact is that I am very vital at this point after being tortured for close to two years.

This "Apparently" you speak of is only founded in the perspective that you are adhering to without even bothering to read all the material. I reviewed Dr Fry and many many others to arrive at substantiated conclusions.

You'll notice I would not suggest to anyone to put themselves completely in the hands of anyone, that is because the "protocols" available all have some flaws.

What I'm suggesting is that people educate themselves so that they understand what they are doing, everyone has different needs.

People like you who can't really be bothered to read what I post and think about it and put it some kind of meaningful context then they will need to put their destiny in the hands of someone else.

People need to educate themselves all I am doing is giving them some leads they can follow.

Do you have any particular instance of what I have posted that you can offer evidence to the contrary of what I have posted? Something that is tangible? Instead of just criticizing me, try and find some errors in the information I have posted. So what is wrong with it in particular?
FRED

Golden, CO

#1458 Apr 25, 2013
Co-Infections wrote:
If you think you have lyme coinfections, visit www.frylabs.com -
Besides testing services, on the website there are lots of info on many conditions and their symptoms (babesia/bartonella/ anaplasma/ehrlichia/ Rickettsia etc. etc.)
Also visit www.justinandchrista.ca - after years of suffering, christa was diagnosed by dr fry's labs with protomyxzoa (fl 1953, Lyme co-infection). In her website she explains how she defeated her protozoan infection and its biofilm thanks to the cure of a specialized doctor
( christavanderham.blogspot.com/2011/01/mysteri... )
Here also a video that documents the suffering of christa with evolution of Lyme and Protozoa co-infection. Pretty strong real well-documented by her husband (similar some what to malaria)
www.youtube.com/watch...
Test yourself and see a Specialized doctor!
Also the term "Lyme coinfections" is very misleading . These infections can exist in any combination. Some experts even say that Lyme should actually be considered a coinfection because there are many other infections that activate Borriela and are worse in the long run.

Also there are approx 100 different species of Borriela in the U.S. alone and they all have different manifestations.

Mycoplasma is the worst of the lot in the long term.

BTW how are you doing on your treatment?, I'm going mountain biking now , it's beautiful in Denver today.
FRED

Golden, CO

#1459 Apr 25, 2013
For the purpose of looking at your own symptoms and then coming up with some course of action there is this link which could be helpful. It associated varieties of infections with symptoms.

http://mybrainhealth.org/files/Lyme_hand_out_...

Also I can not stress enough how important it is to do long term biofilm treatment. Apple Cider Vinegar and/or Serrapeptase work well for this.
Co-infections

Concord, CA

#1460 Apr 25, 2013
I am completely cured so not doing any treatment :-)). No co-infections! But I do hope that you and everyone else here finds their own way to get cured and healthy. My suggestion is to be under the care of a specialized doctor and always try to find a proper diagnosis. Dr. Fry's labs have great reviews and solved mysterious cases.
BTW, I'm a healthy marathon runner.
Peace and Light to my all my fellow runners and those ones affected by the tragedy in Boston.
FRED

Golden, CO

#1461 Apr 25, 2013
Co-infections wrote:
I am completely cured so not doing any treatment :-)). No co-infections! But I do hope that you and everyone else here finds their own way to get cured and healthy. My suggestion is to be under the care of a specialized doctor and always try to find a proper diagnosis. Dr. Fry's labs have great reviews and solved mysterious cases.
BTW, I'm a healthy marathon runner.
Peace and Light to my all my fellow runners and those ones affected by the tragedy in Boston.
Well I'm glad you are feeling so healthy but the reality is this;
Clinical Diagnosis is the standard among all the leading researchers because the tests are so unreliable. In turn You really can't say you are cured because their are no concise tests for that, even the most respected doctors leading the way on this will tell you that about 50% of patients go on to relapse even as far out as 5 years after recovery.

I am as recovered as you are but thanks for your well wishes.

http://mybrainhealth.org/files/Lyme_hand_out_...

"It had been thought that Babesia microti is the only significant piroplasm affecting humans. Now it is
believed that many of the over two dozen known species of piroplasms can be carried by ticks and
potentially be transmitted to the human. Unfortunately, we have no widely available tests for these non-
microti species. That is why, again, a clinical diagnosis is required"

"Because of the large number of these other infections, the cost of reliably testing for all of
them as a matter of routine is prohibitive. Also, as in the case with Bb infection, laboratory
tests for them are often insensitive. Thus there is a need to sort it all out clinically to provide
guidance in testing and treatment."

So there is no definative test to say you are cured.
FRED

Golden, CO

#1462 Apr 25, 2013
Co-infections, have you seen this video from Dr. Marty Ross?

It's a perspective you should consider.

FRED

Golden, CO

#1463 Apr 25, 2013
For anyone who has an interest in this thread. I am not promoting buying anything from any particular website and I am not promoting going to see any particular doctor, especially since the waiting list for the few qualified doctors is 6 months plus and they do not take insurance in the case of elusive chronic infections. What I am encouraging is understanding what you are dealing with.

I think this particular doctor has the most collective insight to offer out of all of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch... #!

Do yourself a favor and spend the time.
KARE

Mount Vernon, OH

#1464 Apr 25, 2013
FRED wrote:
<quoted text>
This is not "My" protocol , what I've done is to research everything that is available that I could find and chose the things that have the best track record as well as scientifically substantiated data that show exact mechanisms of action, and yes these antimicrobials and other methods are very well proven to cure people. The fact is that I am very vital at this point after being tortured for close to two years.
This "Apparently" you speak of is only founded in the perspective that you are adhering to without even bothering to read all the material. I reviewed Dr Fry and many many others to arrive at substantiated conclusions.
You'll notice I would not suggest to anyone to put themselves completely in the hands of anyone, that is because the "protocols" available all have some flaws.
What I'm suggesting is that people educate themselves so that they understand what they are doing, everyone has different needs.
People like you who can't really be bothered to read what I post and think about it and put it some kind of meaningful context then they will need to put their destiny in the hands of someone else.
People need to educate themselves all I am doing is giving them some leads they can follow.
Do you have any particular instance of what I have posted that you can offer evidence to the contrary of what I have posted? Something that is tangible? Instead of just criticizing me, try and find some errors in the information I have posted. So what is wrong with it in particular?


I appreciate your information, the clarity and tone of your posts, and most espcially your lack of defensiveness, despite provocation. Thanks again for all the work you do, and have done.
KARE
FRED

Golden, CO

#1465 Apr 26, 2013
KARE wrote:
<quoted text>
I appreciate your information, the clarity and tone of your posts, and most espcially your lack of defensiveness, despite provocation. Thanks again for all the work you do, and have done.
KARE
Thank you.

It hasn't always been this easy not to be defensive especially when even through all my efforts people have attacked me based on their own entitlement issues. My own Neurotoxicity has been a battle to understand and treat.

Unfortunately when I first became sick with "super scabies", which I don't believe exists btw, I came to this forum. The toxic chemicals that are being used by people here that the body ingests weather they are taken orally or just put on the skin have so many negative effects on the immune system and overall health that going through that phase was actually very detrimental.

One problem I find with doctors is that they don't treat holistically or the whole body.When you are treated with a tunnel vision method that only targets your apparent direct symptoms a lot of the causing agents are just ignored. The whole body is connected and it all influences every aspect. Here is a goofy analogy , when you take a needle and poke your big toe the word "ouch" almost instantly come out of your mouth. The body is very forgiving and can tolerate a lot so you don't notice it but many exposures still have an effect.

So the major factors that have an influence on your health that are usually ignored by doctors besides microbes in the body are environmental mycotoxicity and EMF overexposure.

Mycotoxicity can be cause by a simple one time exposure to any of a couple dozen toxic molds or continual exposure in your environment.
These toxic molds will grow inside you and when the do they release toxic substance that effect your brain/CNS your immune system and your endocrine system in very negative ways.

Some of the symptoms of mold exposure can manifest as a variety of very serious illnesses but keep in mind that mycotoxicity can work together with other pathogenic and radiation factors to show the final symptoms everyone's symptoms are particular to their own collection of these kind of factors.

When your trying to treat yourself for what is one kind of infection you have to consider other sources and if they are present you have to remove them from your exposure and treat for those too or you won't recover.

A good place to start is to check you home for any evidence of mold, it's in every home in certain places anywhere there is water, I live in Denver which isn't very humid except sometimes in the summer but if you live in a humid area an investment in a dehumidifier could be helpful. The P-traps in your sink drains have some nasty stuff growing in them so about once a month I buy a gallon of white vinegar($1.25) and split it up and pour down the drains , shower and bath too, then just let it sit over night. We use swamp coolers here in Denver which are basically something that runs water over an element made of something mold can grow on then it cools your home and you breath the air in your home. I quit using mine last year. If you think mold is a problem there is plenty of stuff to read on the web about mold mitigation.

You'll need to take some anti-fungal medication as well but it is needed to take away the source of exposure too. Herbal remedies like oil of oregano, Olive leaf extract tincture, garlic and grapefruit seed extract are all very potent antifungals.When I started using OLE this weird skin fungus that I didn't even know I had popped out of my hand and was evident on the skin for a couple weeks then was gone
FRED

Golden, CO

#1466 Apr 26, 2013
Here is a link showing some of the symptoms associated with mold exposure.

http://www.moldsymptoms.org/

Constant Headaches
Nose Bleeds
Feelings of Constant Fatigue
Breathing Disorders
Coughing up Blood or Black looking Debris
Nausea
Diarrhea
Vomiting
Loss of Appetite
Weight Loss
Hair loss
*Skin Rashes
*Open Sores on the Skin
Memory Loss "Short Term"
Neurological & Nervous Disorders
Sexual Dysfunction
Swollen Glands in the Neck Area and under the Armpit
Sudden Asthma Attacks or Breathing Disorders
Ear Infections and Pain
Chronic Sinus Infections
Chronic Bronchitis
Pain in the Joints and Muscles

What does this have to do with "scabies" you might ask. Well every burden you put on the immune system makes it that much less able to clear infection, in fact many times the body gets so run down by a variety of other exposures that it invites parasites. Now it is known that these parasitic organism aren't dumb microbes they actually communicate with pheromones or quorum sensing, that's called collective intelligence.

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