Scabies and feet - could it be cruste...

Scabies and feet - could it be crusted? ;-(

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Since: Jun 08

L.A.

#1 Jun 26, 2008
hello fellow scabies sufferers!
i have been reading the amazing posts but nobody has mentioned problems with their feet...
when i got my first symptoms that was one of my worst: horribly dried out heels and foot pads, cracked till bleeding and it was even painful to walk!
i got diagnosed with everything under the sun and took medications that actually made it worse...
yet after 3 permethrin and 4 ivermectin treatments they got way better BUT now it is getting bad again... it is the summer time and i cannot walk around unless i put heavy cream and plastic bags on my feet.
it is horrible. anyone had anything like this?
all i can think of that it might be a crusted scabies symptoms?
i ve had it for a year and a half and nothing else helped it but scabies medications.
now after all the treatments my face is getting horrid again but everyone keep saying it is worse to over-treat it.
it is hard to figure out when to stop!
my face is breaking out in rashes and itches like it is an allergic reaction and detox symptom not like mite bites but it could be their biproduct too. i cannot tell the difference since it is as bad as it was before.

could my feet just have post scabies or it is coming back? keep it treated or let it heal? it is painful beyond comprehension...
anyone had any experience with anything like that? if it is crusted scabies how come i only have it on my feet but nowhere else on my body?
i am full of questions and this is the only place where others know what they are talking about.
doctors have been overmedicating and misdiagnosing me for years so i have no faith in them whatsoever..
anyone any answers?
thank youuuuu!
Mite Killer

Del Mar, CA

#2 Jun 26, 2008
My first visible symptom was on my feet. I had a huge burrow on the arch of my foot with crusts. I also had crusts along the outside of the little toe and the outside part of the foot near the little toe. I've had recurrent problems with my feet, especially with burrows. The skin on the feet is thicker than most of the body and it does not shed as quickly either. I think the mites are more protected by the skin on the feet and palms of the hands. At least it appears so.

It could be that treatments are not reaching the stratum skin layer where the mites tunnel and some of the mites are surviving. or eggs are surviving and hatching. The other possibility is that it's broken up dead mites and debris that is taking longer to exfoliate.

Other posters have had problems with feet. What we have done is to soak our feet in borax, deluted peroxide or even just soapy water and use an abrasive impliment(I use a credo) and a light type acid exfolient to help remove remove the dead skin, crusts and scabs.

Topicals may not obsorb well past crusts. Ivermectin may not reach these areas either. I've found that I have to keep my nails short, clean under them, soak, scrub and apply a topical every night to my feet until it looks like everything is gone.

This describes the process but it's taken from farm animal literiture.
"The tunnels burrowed by the mites are lined with horny substances from the stratum germinativum, which are again attacked by the mites and then reformed by the body. Papular skin lesions and crusts develop and eventually, as a result of the hyperkeratosis, the skin is thrown into folds and fissured scabs several centimetres thick appear."
Mite Killer

Del Mar, CA

#3 Jun 26, 2008
The feet take longer to heal. If the mites are dead, your skin should begin to heal, unless you have a secondary infection. Try using a OTC topical anti-biotic, it might help. Crusts are formed by mites that have colonized an area or a female that is laying eggs in her burrow. There may well be more mites in that one area than parts of the body that have bumps. You can tell it's a moulting pouch of a developing mite when there is a hole in the middle of the bump.

Don't be worried, you most likely don't have crusted scabies. But there is a good chance you still have live mites. In my case, when I had the crusts with the clear liquid and blisters, it was live mites. I could feel them buzzing around. Spot treatments help.

I don't whats going on with your face. Maybe someone else has some ideas. Good luck, I hope some of this may help.
Sam

United States

#4 Jun 27, 2008
Nobody mentioned their feet? All I talked about was my feet for months ;) I wanted to chop them off. I was diagnosed with crusted scabies, including my feet. Topicals and ivermectin helped, but didn't penetrate the thick caluses. A later doctor described that because of the thick skin in hands and feet, it can be harder to treat and longer to heal once the mites are dead. Like MK said above.

The ONLY thing that helped was soaking my feet every night in a strong borax and water solution for at least 30 minutes. I used 1-2 cups borax in a tall mop bucket. Then scrape with what I call the cheese grater thingy that is made for feet. Get all the caluses off that you can, then apply a topical, perm or sulfur or eurax, which worked the best for me.

I had mites inside my toenails, not under, but inside with tiny pits in my toenails and splits in the nails. I scrubbed them with a bleach and water solution and put lindane on my toenails for about a month. I tried soaking in epsom salt but the borax worked better.

If your feet have that many mites your sox and shoes need extra care too. I burried my shoes in borax every night and sprayed them with lice spray (perm), then vacuumed my shoes in the morning. It took a long time to heal my feet.

For my face I used the clearisil acne adult formula with 8% sulfur and anything with 10% benzyl peroxide.
Mite Killer

Del Mar, CA

#5 Jun 27, 2008
Sarcoptic mites can survive treatment in the inner ducts of the ear canal and in fact they will flee to areas that are not treated. Scabicides are all slow to kill and the mites have ample time to retreat to untreated areas.
Sam

United States

#6 Jun 27, 2008
Mite Killer wrote:
Sarcoptic mites can survive treatment in the inner ducts of the ear canal and in fact they will flee to areas that are not treated. Scabicides are all slow to kill and the mites have ample time to retreat to untreated areas.
Nice. They fled to my nose canals.

Since: Jun 08

L.A.

#7 Jun 27, 2008
oh you are all utterly cool and wonderful!
thank you for the replies!
i have never been properly diagnosed so i am going to one LAST dr to ask for a scrape test - armed with the insane history what i have been through in the past two years. problem is nobody could understand it only those who have also lived this nightmare...

i will try everything that has been suggested and keep fighting it.
i got deep open cracks on my feet though so i am afraid it will hurt first....

the shoes thing will be a problem- good god, i had done so much with them already but i am afraid they are still not disinfected.
they are kinda nice so i am afraid of ruining them. perm spray or vacuuming or deflea is the best with them you think?

face is weird though- when i wake up it is awesome, calm, not inflamed and during the day it gets progressively worse. sheer mystery..
it has bumps with tiny white heads and a rash and it is not acne that heals in 2-3 days - these bumps stay for weeks at a time.

is it weird to be happy to find a community like this? i am driving everyone mental around me to be honest with questions and of course nobody has even heard of this before!
is it the best kept secret?
if it is so infectious shouldnt people be more aware of it and get more immediate diagnosis and help?
Itty Bitty Critters

Hollywood, FL

#8 Jun 27, 2008
wonderingLana wrote:
oh you are all utterly cool and wonderful!
thank you for the replies!
i have never been properly diagnosed so i am going to one LAST dr to ask for a scrape test - armed with the insane history what i have been through in the past two years. problem is nobody could understand it only those who have also lived this nightmare...
i will try everything that has been suggested and keep fighting it.
i got deep open cracks on my feet though so i am afraid it will hurt first....
the shoes thing will be a problem- good god, i had done so much with them already but i am afraid they are still not disinfected.
they are kinda nice so i am afraid of ruining them. perm spray or vacuuming or deflea is the best with them you think?
face is weird though- when i wake up it is awesome, calm, not inflamed and during the day it gets progressively worse. sheer mystery..
it has bumps with tiny white heads and a rash and it is not acne that heals in 2-3 days - these bumps stay for weeks at a time.
is it weird to be happy to find a community like this? i am driving everyone mental around me to be honest with questions and of course nobody has even heard of this before!
is it the best kept secret?
if it is so infectious shouldnt people be more aware of it and get more immediate diagnosis and help?
with this, you really can't have anything NICE, like your nice shoes. not right now. you can soak your shoes in water overnight, submerge them with something heavy, so nothing sticks out of the water line. this will drown the mites.

you can also submerge your nice shoes in borax powder, ensuring that nothing sticks out in open air.

i run my sneakers through super hot water and just place them outside to dry in the sun. this works pretty good.

rotate your shoes, so you are not wearing the same ones over and over, increasing the chance that they stay infested.

try placing them in the microwave for a few seconds, playing around with it, so as not to ruin your shoes. this will kill the mites.

some things you can spray, rubbing alcohol 91%.
permethrin spray (martins from livestock company).
try the deflea, like you mentioned.
or after submerging overnight or for a few days in borax, you can vacuuming them really good, and then use a spray on them.

also, ivermectin is a very good med for scabies mites.
Mite Killer

Del Mar, CA

#9 Jun 27, 2008
Sam wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice. They fled to my nose canals.
I ##%%ing hate that!
janetinnyc

Mango, FL

#10 Jun 27, 2008
Me too. and mouth, tongue, gums, eyes, ears, heart, lungs, intestines, vagina etc. Somebody else is traveling along, that's all I know.
Hey, it's you guys, the bombs.
Mite Killer wrote:
<quoted text>
I ##%%ing hate that!
Welty

AOL

#11 Jul 1, 2008
Hi Lana. I'm sure you had scabies and maybe still do.. I switched to Croc shoes (l00% washable, antibacterial/antifungal shoes) and sponged them nightly with alchohol. I wore them all day and kept them by my bed so I wouldn't track mites around. I always wore sox with them to keep a layer between the shoes and them so I wouldn't get blisters. I think I'd go right for the Borax soaks that MK and Sam used if I had these. They helped Sam and MK. I read early on that mites and lice hate Lactic acid so I would put some AmLactin lotion on my feet at night. It softened my feet and seemed to discourage them from wanting to be in my feet. I also took baths. Because it seemed easy to get them out of my scalp, where the skin is thinner compared to feet. I think that Yogurt is also good to use on your feet at night. Unflavored, plain yogurt with live cultures. A.It stops the itch. B. It has antifungal and antibacterial properties. C. Mites hate acids. D. It adds back valuable good bacteria to the feet to help ward off staph/folliculitis. The fact that you have this just in your feet makes me think it could be a secondary deal to your initial scabies. It could be staph or fungal. But you can wash with an antibacterial soap, and soak with Borax too, to be sure. But add back some good bacteria nightly in the form of yougurt and slip on some socks. It stops the itching a lot for one thing, and will add back some healthy bacteria nightly in case you do have staph. Staph is really resistant to a lot of things. Now they are using Manuka honey on bacterial wounds according to this month's N. Geographic. Honey is the new antiseptic for resistant staph around the world and will help these resistant staph infections. Rotate honey and yougurt at bedtime, wear some clean sox over them to keep the stuff on and see if that helps your feet. I do think that you could try the Amlactin lotion and see if it softens the crusts too. It serves a different purpose, but will soften the feet so they can accept the treatments and Sam's idea is good about the cheese grater. Bag balm, any of these serious callus softeners, pumice stones, get rid of the hardest skin, but be kind to it and don't irritate it. Perhaps one of my worst moments of this whole thing was when I used a pumice stone over my whole arms and legs and got some big scratches. Not my best idea. I had one pumice stone that felt good and I thought it got rid of some surface mites without any pain at all, and one that was a fake pumice stone with some kind of glassy chips in it. Yowwww. Go gently. Keep it up. Don't do all the exfoliating in one go. A pumice stone treatment should feel good, and should just be on the callused areas. Never hurt yourself with abrasives. Just steady. Cracked feet can harbor staph easier. Try all the suggestions and see what works, and rotate. Get back some good bacteria nightly at bedtime with yogurt. It really helped me in my post. Honey and yougurt are cheap. AmLactin is not cheap and maybe you don't need it. Borax is cheap and Sam thought it worked for him. Also, maybe even nail polish might suffocate these mites if they are in your nails. Fungal infections will respond to yogurt and sulfer and some Nizoral shampoo on your feet as a wash. It's an antifungal shampoo. Hope this helps. A lot of people get a serious, serious staph or fungal post that is very like scabies, but if you have burrows, then they are scabies.
Welty

AOL

#12 Jul 1, 2008
According to the N. Geographic Manuka honey is the best kind for resitant bacterial infections, but basically honey works, Manuka is better and they rate Maunka honey by unique Manuka factor which is rated l - 25. The 25 is the best. I just read this, but I'd try some garden variety honey and see if it seemed better, because it sounds like any honey is better than none. Staph is really bad in feet. Also, colloidal silver helps staph. It's liquid silver about $18 at the health food store. This does help and goes a long way, but try and exfolliate for a while before you try this as it won't go far on cracked dry skin. Try the yogurt first. The lactic acid in yougurt will also soften your feet a bit, too. When you wash it off you'll notice. Wear some cotton socks at night over it if you wish. I did. I was always so paranoid about getting these in my feet that I treated my feet this way the whole time even though I never got them really established there. I'd get crawlies if I didn't and I hated that sensation on my feet. I'd never be able to handle the feet being itchy. Never. Too hard to scratch there. The scalp, arms and legs, are so much more accessible, I feel for you, no matter what you have - it could be crusted scabies, or staph, or fungal secondary post infection, but heck, it's itchy and I know you hate it, anyway, I hope some of these ideas work for you.

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