Equine Ivermectin Paste 1.87%

Equine Ivermectin Paste 1.87%

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DHR

Auburn, CA

#1 Sep 21, 2010
I caught mites again. This time I caught them from a feral kitten.

I bought Equine Ivermectin Paste 1.87% at the animal feed store for $5.99. Will that work if I spread the paste on my skin?

What about weighing out the proper amount on my lab scale and taking it orally? Anyone have any experience with the horse paste?
Canuckette

Hamilton, Canada

#2 Sep 21, 2010
DHR wrote:
I caught mites again. This time I caught them from a feral kitten.
I bought Equine Ivermectin Paste 1.87% at the animal feed store for $5.99. Will that work if I spread the paste on my skin?
What about weighing out the proper amount on my lab scale and taking it orally? Anyone have any experience with the horse paste?
I've had good success with it. What I've been doing is wetting my fingers with the paste on them and applying it that way. I also mix it in a bit of water since it is pretty concentrated. The horse paste has notches on the tube to indicate how much for what weight, so just try to use about the amount would be correct for your weight. I have had a pretty bad case of it and have tried just about everything with varying degrees of success. This has been the best so far but I seem to be relapsing a bit. I don't know if they are getting used to it or if i'm geting sloppy. The other thing I have been doing is taking it internally every five days. If you have just been infested very recently, you probably could get rid of them quickly using the horse paste.
The other thing that worked really well, for 6 weeks until my skin rebelled, was bathing in Arm & Hammer powdered laundry detergent. I was doing all kinds of things at the time to get rid of them and my skin wouldn't take anymore. If you try one or the other, you should get rid of them.
DHR

Auburn, CA

#3 Sep 22, 2010
Does applying the paste cause any itching in the days after applying it like Permethrin?
Canuckette

Hamilton, Canada

#4 Sep 22, 2010
DHR wrote:
Does applying the paste cause any itching in the days after applying it like Permethrin?
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My experience with permethrin was that it wasn't very effective but that likely depends on the type of mite that you are dealing with. It isn't a once a week application, nor is it prescribed medically like permethrin. Horse paste is simply someone's bright idea since it is hard to deal with some of the types of mites that some of us have. I apply it daily.
DHR

Auburn, CA

#5 Sep 22, 2010
But does the Ivermectin paste seem to make you itch at all?
Aaron

Hollywood, FL

#6 Sep 22, 2010
DHR wrote:
But does the Ivermectin paste seem to make you itch at all?
It depends on how infested you are. The next day after taking ivermectin, you will feel an increase in activity, whether it be itching or crawling; BUT, a few days after that, you will feel significantly less activity.

Then a few days after that, egss hatch out and activity starts up again.
Aaron

Hollywood, FL

#7 Sep 22, 2010
DHR wrote:
Does applying the paste cause any itching in the days after applying it like Permethrin?
Be careful with applying topically. You have to be aware that, whether taking it orally, or applying it topically, you have to stay within a normal range of dosage, at 200 to 300 micrograms per kilogram of body weight. In other words, you cannot use a half of tube of horsepaste, meant for a horse that weighs 1,150 pounds, when you only weigh 175. You will be dealing with toxicity and overdosage issues if you do.
Aaron

Hollywood, FL

#8 Sep 22, 2010
DHR wrote:
But does the Ivermectin paste seem to make you itch at all?
If you experience itching, it's the body's way of responding to the mites and debris in your skin. The more mites you have under your skin, the more itching you will have.
Aaron

Hollywood, FL

#9 Sep 22, 2010
Canuckette wrote:
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My experience with permethrin was that it wasn't very effective but that likely depends on the type of mite that you are dealing with. It isn't a once a week application, nor is it prescribed medically like permethrin. Horse paste is simply someone's bright idea since it is hard to deal with some of the types of mites that some of us have. I apply it daily.
Ivermectin is prescribed medically in the states. It is being used off label for scabies. According to the Center for Disease Control (look up their website CDC/scabies), it is one of the first line treatment for scabies now. Doctors are finally cathing up, as the permethrin doesn't work in some cases. The mites are becoming immune to the permethrin. Also, immunity and age of the patient plays a huge role in this plague.
It is prescribed as Stromectol in the United States.
DHR

Auburn, CA

#10 Sep 22, 2010
It turns out that I have Cat Mange (Notoedric Mange/Feline Scabies).
DHR

Auburn, CA

#11 Sep 22, 2010
DHR

Auburn, CA

#12 Sep 24, 2010
Aaron wrote:
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Be careful with applying topically. You have to be aware that, whether taking it orally, or applying it topically, you have to stay within a normal range of dosage, at 200 to 300 micrograms per kilogram of body weight. In other words, you cannot use a half of tube of horsepaste, meant for a horse that weighs 1,150 pounds, when you only weigh 175. You will be dealing with toxicity and overdosage issues if you do.
What am I doing wrong?

I'm getting two different results but they should both check out and be the same.

I have 6.08 g total weight of paste which is meant for a 1250 lb. horse. So for a 154 lb.(70kg) person I'm dividing 1250 lbs. by 2.2 which equals 568kg. Now I divide the 568kg by 70KG = 8.11 equal parts in the 6.08 g of paste. So 8.11 parts of 6.08 g comes to .75 grams for a dose for a 154 lb.(70kg) person.

However, if I figure it the manufactured suggested way. It says to figure 200mcg per kg. or 91mcg per lb. so 70kg times 200mcg =.14 grams of paste.

Obviously .75 g is not equal to .14 g. That's a big difference.

They should be the same!
Horse

Netherlands

#13 Sep 24, 2010
What you do wrong is treating yourself as if you are a horse.
Make the medic accountable for his/her action.
If they can't figure it out, who can?

You better ask for microbiological research one that should include susceptibility testing.

Tip: After proper microbiological research has been performed:

Do not accept a verbal explanation or a print out of the database of GP or specialist. Demand a fully endorsed copy of the outcome of microbiology.

The outcome will tell what type antibiotic is appropriate to treat your condition.

Even if susceptibility testing has been performed there may exist a difference in the therapeutic action in VIVO .

This is because what happens in VITRO (literally in glass) may not be the same as what happens in VIVO (in a living organism; you in this case!)

Again: The only way to treat what you suffer from is by having appropriate microbiological research performed. The only way to figure out what antibiotic is the right choice, is by having susceptibility testing performed.

As soon as you have the outcome, you can try to start to treat your condition with the most likely appropriate antibiotic.

Most medics avoid being conclusive, so you may need to put pressure on your request.

Take somebody with you if you consult a GP or specialist when you demand to see appropriate microbiological research performed.

Just for the record!
DHR

United States

#14 Sep 24, 2010
Just looking for a check on my math. Where are the mathematicians?
OVER IT

United States

#15 Sep 24, 2010
DHR wrote:
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What am I doing wrong?
I'm getting two different results but they should both check out and be the same.
I have 6.08 g total weight of paste which is meant for a 1250 lb. horse. So for a 154 lb.(70kg) person I'm dividing 1250 lbs. by 2.2 which equals 568kg. Now I divide the 568kg by 70KG = 8.11 equal parts in the 6.08 g of paste. So 8.11 parts of 6.08 g comes to .75 grams for a dose for a 154 lb.(70kg) person.
However, if I figure it the manufactured suggested way. It says to figure 200mcg per kg. or 91mcg per lb. so 70kg times 200mcg =.14 grams of paste.
Obviously .75 g is not equal to .14 g. That's a big difference.
They should be the same!
Read the 'turpentine killed them on my scalp' thread.

You can use all the ivermectin and permethrin in the world you want, and it may or may not work. Turpentine kills it. PERIOD. Put a tablspn in hand cream and slather it on your hands. Voila. Gone.
Aaron

Hollywood, FL

#16 Sep 24, 2010
DHR wrote:
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What am I doing wrong?
I'm getting two different results but they should both check out and be the same.
I have 6.08 g total weight of paste which is meant for a 1250 lb. horse. So for a 154 lb.(70kg) person I'm dividing 1250 lbs. by 2.2 which equals 568kg. Now I divide the 568kg by 70KG = 8.11 equal parts in the 6.08 g of paste. So 8.11 parts of 6.08 g comes to .75 grams for a dose for a 154 lb.(70kg) person.
However, if I figure it the manufactured suggested way. It says to figure 200mcg per kg. or 91mcg per lb. so 70kg times 200mcg =.14 grams of paste.
Obviously .75 g is not equal to .14 g. That's a big difference.
They should be the same!
Hi DHR: I have to laugh at your math quiz above. lol.....

There are notches on the tube for 250 lb. doses. I adjusted the notch, in order to squeeze out enough paste for a 250 pound person, and then I just cut a small amount off. Or I just took the entire amount, in that notch. A safe dosage is anywhere between 200 to 300 micograms per kilo of body weight, but when you are dealing with the horsepaste, throw all that sh*t out the door, and just do the notches. The 250 lb. dosage is at 200 micrograms per kilo. So, it's pretty safe.

I would take it before bed, as it causes drowsiness. Also, at night, while sleeping, you are not running around washing your hands and wash the med off of you. So, while you are sleeping the med can work in your skin.

Also, I would take it with a FULL glass of water, in order for the med to be digested well.

Don't forget that the eggs will hatch in a few days, so another dose is required.
Aaron

Hollywood, FL

#17 Sep 24, 2010
Horse wrote:
What you do wrong is treating yourself as if you are a horse.
Make the medic accountable for his/her action.
If they can't figure it out, who can?
You better ask for microbiological research one that should include susceptibility testing.
Tip: After proper microbiological research has been performed:
Do not accept a verbal explanation or a print out of the database of GP or specialist. Demand a fully endorsed copy of the outcome of microbiology.
The outcome will tell what type antibiotic is appropriate to treat your condition.
Even if susceptibility testing has been performed there may exist a difference in the therapeutic action in VIVO .
This is because what happens in VITRO (literally in glass) may not be the same as what happens in VIVO (in a living organism; you in this case!)
Again: The only way to treat what you suffer from is by having appropriate microbiological research performed. The only way to figure out what antibiotic is the right choice, is by having susceptibility testing performed.
As soon as you have the outcome, you can try to start to treat your condition with the most likely appropriate antibiotic.
Most medics avoid being conclusive, so you may need to put pressure on your request.
Take somebody with you if you consult a GP or specialist when you demand to see appropriate microbiological research performed.
Just for the record!
Netherlands. They need help with dosing. You gonna help with that, or not? Take your effing microbilogy BS and don't let the door his you in the arse.
Netherlands is about as helpful as a HORSE.
Aaron

Hollywood, FL

#18 Sep 24, 2010
DHR wrote:
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What am I doing wrong?
I'm getting two different results but they should both check out and be the same.
I have 6.08 g total weight of paste which is meant for a 1250 lb. horse. So for a 154 lb.(70kg) person I'm dividing 1250 lbs. by 2.2 which equals 568kg. Now I divide the 568kg by 70KG = 8.11 equal parts in the 6.08 g of paste. So 8.11 parts of 6.08 g comes to .75 grams for a dose for a 154 lb.(70kg) person.
However, if I figure it the manufactured suggested way. It says to figure 200mcg per kg. or 91mcg per lb. so 70kg times 200mcg =.14 grams of paste.
Obviously .75 g is not equal to .14 g. That's a big difference.
They should be the same!
Did you figure in the 1.87% of ivermectin???? not sure if you have to figure that in there.
I used to be able to do this with the 1% injectible. Was super easy, but with the horsepaste, forget it. There is something on the net that helps with this. Some guy figured it out for his cat. super complicated. they even added something to it, so he could get an accocurate dosage, as the horsepaste is strong. just go with the 250 notches.
Aaron

Hollywood, FL

#19 Sep 24, 2010
DHR wrote:
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What am I doing wrong?
I'm getting two different results but they should both check out and be the same.
I have 6.08 g total weight of paste which is meant for a 1250 lb. horse. So for a 154 lb.(70kg) person I'm dividing 1250 lbs. by 2.2 which equals 568kg. Now I divide the 568kg by 70KG = 8.11 equal parts in the 6.08 g of paste. So 8.11 parts of 6.08 g comes to .75 grams for a dose for a 154 lb.(70kg) person.
However, if I figure it the manufactured suggested way. It says to figure 200mcg per kg. or 91mcg per lb. so 70kg times 200mcg =.14 grams of paste.
Obviously .75 g is not equal to .14 g. That's a big difference.
They should be the same!
why don't you divide 1250 by 154 and you get 8 doses. the problem is, is that how do you equally divide the 8 doses? you have to eye ball it. and how do you keep it fresh? you have to do the notches....
DHR

United States

#20 Sep 25, 2010
OVER IT wrote:
<quoted text>Turpentine kills it. PERIOD. Put a tablspn in hand cream and slather it on your hands. Voila. Gone.
Last year I went to the pharmacy and the clerk told me that in the old days they used to use turpentine for scabies.

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