Scabies or bird mites?
buggie

United States

#21 Jul 23, 2009
It makes sense that these things are aggressive and live a long long long time off a host. My immune system is weak. I need major dental work.
I mite buy a cigar and leave it in the car...old chicken coop remedy.
Ps my cat is not with me. So I had bugs remaing in my skin even after 25 days of doubledose iver and 1 month of pomado de azufre sulfer cream...or my car reinfested me. The cedarcide helps a lot but I'm now thinking that a birdmite pesticide fog woul be better inside the car. I have never fogged this new car with cedarcide, just sprayed. My old car still has mites...another story.
SKF

Glasgow, KY

#22 Jul 23, 2009
still suffering wrote:
I'm not sure if I have birdmites or scabies, but it is most likely birdmites from the symptoms. I live in a huge house with 4 acres of woods behind it. Theres wildlife everywhere. My bedroomn is carpeted and it seems to be worse there. Do i need to remove the carpet? Has anyone used Terminix like it suggests on the birdmite website??? My car is infested as well. I've bombed, used ALL of the scabies remedies and medications-and im still living this nightmare. They are the worst on my scalp. Any suggestions are appreciated greatly.
well TERMINIX CAME TO TREAT MY BIRDMITES AND NEVER CAME BACK AND REFUNDED MY MONEY ,says the boy who came to spray felt them and they couldnt take care of the problem ,ORKIN they never collected samples when they said they would return out 1300 dollars and still have the problem .all together i have had 4 different exterminators and they will tell you they will fix the problem and you dont have to pay till its completed .wrong!!! we are out so much money for nothing .they dont care as long as they see $$$$$ signs and thats just my opinion because i been through it .ive had birdmites in my house for 2 1?2 years and believe me no one takes you serious .they think its a mental issue .i brought a birdnest in my home and i never experienced such a horriific ordeal ever since .if you take a dog roller that catches dog hair and each time you feel the crawlies roll that on the spots and you will SEE the little red and black spots that are crawling .you dont feel this just because .but with the protocols we are using ourselves .our lives are at least 90% better .baking soda baths help tremendously .
Dbites

Denver, CO

#23 Jul 23, 2009
Sam wrote:
One of these lives in tobacco, for the guy who said the mites go for that when he leaves it out. Also for the lady who said they get scabies every year when they bring their down blanket out. Most of these live in paper, wood, and fabrics, MIS? I'm thinking of people on here who couldn't get diagnosed with scabies but had skin problems, Zooks, MM-M, and others.
Not something to mess around with if you think it might be a fungus in your home. I bet some of these are in my storage, and the scabies came on board to eat the fungi, or vice versa.
My mom and I have scabies or bird mites still trying to find out if bird mites can burrow and look like zits no one seems to be able to answer that or they are misunderstand my reall y qustions because I get off track lol. Anyway my mom was told she was better by her derm went to Florida on vacation and took some clothes she had bagged up with her and broke out in Florida I do not think she was every better but she ended up getting a fungal infection because she used to much Lysol. The fungus killed some of her mites, she pulled dead ones out of the fungus, so I do not think mites like fungus much although I would hardily say getting fungus to kill mites if much of a cure lol. My mom has fungus and mites just not in the same places. Sucks!
Dbites

Denver, CO

#24 Jul 23, 2009
SKF wrote:
<quoted text>well TERMINIX CAME TO TREAT MY BIRDMITES AND NEVER CAME BACK AND REFUNDED MY MONEY ,says the boy who came to spray felt them and they couldnt take care of the problem ,ORKIN they never collected samples when they said they would return out 1300 dollars and still have the problem .all together i have had 4 different exterminators and they will tell you they will fix the problem and you dont have to pay till its completed .wrong!!! we are out so much money for nothing .they dont care as long as they see $$$$$ signs and thats just my opinion because i been through it .ive had birdmites in my house for 2 1?2 years and believe me no one takes you serious .they think its a mental issue .i brought a birdnest in my home and i never experienced such a horriific ordeal ever since .if you take a dog roller that catches dog hair and each time you feel the crawlies roll that on the spots and you will SEE the little red and black spots that are crawling .you dont feel this just because .but with the protocols we are using ourselves .our lives are at least 90% better .baking soda baths help tremendously .
I have white mites I have seen them, I also saw some red dot looking things when I cleaned my kitchen. I have plants and there are spider mites in my lawn. I thought the red ones in my kitchen were spider mites trying to get to my plants they seemed to be crawling in from the cracks in the wall near the sink. I saw on red mite on me six months ago it was big the ones by my sink were little but the same. I had big white ones all over in my bed and sometimes I would see red streaks on paper I tuched my work seems to be infested. I have only seen white ones there. The mites I have move under my skin can bird mites burrow also I feel them during the day and have itchy welts at times none right now. I use to cough stuff up but thought I needed my wisdom teeth out and I smoke. I some times now have flem but not as much since I got my teeth out. I got this right after I had my wisdom teeth out and was on antibotics. It was like as soon as I quit taking the antibiodics I got welts everywhere. CAN BIRD MITES BURROW? The mites I have burrow, and I feel them 24/7 not just at night don't bird mites hide away from the host during the day? I read they live on your skin not in it this is in my skin. I see white lines when they move. some bigger than others. Also I have not seen any red mites in my carpet or anywhere in my bed room only white ones. I think this is scabies but I have had it for for months used Ivermectin and permetherin and I'm better but I still feel things on me. Are there any bird mites that burrow? and range from large to small? I know some are white brown and red depending on how much blood they have in them but why would I only see red ones in my kitchen not my bed room. Is that were they hid from me? I do feel better during the day but at one point I had something a 1cm long that crawled three inches from my nose to my chin I could see a huge white line on my cheek as it crawled through me and it moved a lot faster than scabies are said to move. PLEASE has anyone else had this? CAN THIS BE BIRD MITES. IT IS INSIDE ME FOR SURE! sorry about the screaming text but know one seems to be able to answer that for me.
skf

Glasgow, KY

#25 Jul 24, 2009
hey dbites /i have not really had burrows but ive had sore itchy knots .i focus maily on those places and as soon as i get that healed up they move someplace
else and i work on t.a0t spot .have you talked to your dr about this and let him see the tunnels that are occuring on your skin .i have bumps i get some oil and rub that spot with the ball of my hand in a circular motion and i will rub stuff out of it .i dont have sores anymore though .ive worked my tail off trying to get rid of the problem .have you ,yourself been traveling anywhere before this started .all i know is i believe MY problem is mites and lice from birds and i do believe they hide in the poors of your skin .mine never started until the birdnest and i was fine before that . people have had scabies for centuries and ive never known them being impossible to kill .not one to two years anyway .i just think these mites have took a turn toward people for some unknown reason .
seems like a dr wont even work with you to try to figure it out either .
So many questions

United States

#26 Jul 25, 2009
I have so many questions, I don't even know where to begin.

I am in a hurry, are you surprised?lol But, my story is pretty much the same as some of the others. Not sure which it is. The Dr. just looks at you as thou you are crazy, which by now I am.

I feel like I am doing everything wrong. I have been so tried and upset, that I can't remember if I was to vac., first or bath first. Just things like that.
I have read so much stuff on the internet, that everything is all running in together, I can't remember what to do for what.lol It's not funny, but I got to laugh, to keep from crying.

I think it all began, when my daughter was killed in a car acc. in March of last year. It took me a few months before I could go down to her home and remove it. When I finally did, their was dead rats and food in the ref., the roof had started leaking and mold in the bedroom, you just could not believe, what all I went through. A lot of the stuff like blankets and Lord knows what all was already in bags, so I just brought them up and put them under the house.

Well I have a dog, and he started itching bad, so I thought it was fleas. Then I thought it was the mange, the Vet said no, but I thought I knew better. I now don't think it is.

I feel like just giving up, I don't know what to do. I bagged everything up in my house and put it out on the porch, and left it out there for 3 months. I cleaned and cleaned then cleaned some more. Finally I brought the stuff in and it has been sitting in here for months. It is getting worst.
So many questions

United States

#27 Jul 25, 2009
More of the story.

My head itches more and more, and the pores or the hair folcils (sp) in my face have something white in them and they are getting bigger. And something is biting me.
I have gotten brown spots come up, and now it is starting on my husband.
It gets in my eyes, and I get bumps with a white hard something in them and clear like blisters, that only clear fluid comes out.

I will finish in a little bit, got to run to the store for more borax, which by the way, will that harm my dog by mopping in it? Do I need to rinse it off, and will that stop it from doing its job, if I do?
itchygirl

Youngstown, OH

#28 Jul 25, 2009
So many questions,
So sorry you have to go through this on top of your tragedy. You probably have bird or rodent mites from your daughter's house. The fastest thing you can do to begin getting a handle on this is start taking care of your environment.
Here's what works for me:
Roach Prufe or other boric acid powder (pest control section) and an insecticide dust spreader (used for roses and plants). Don't get the silver metal one from Lowes-it doesn't work. Spread Roach Prufe all over your house. Be sure to hit walls, ceilings and carpets. It is toxic but not as toxic so use your discretion. It is not as toxic as a lot of the other pesticides. It is a very fine powder and will cling to walls. You can't see it on the paint, and it continues to kill indefinitely. I Try not to breathe it and use a dust mask or respirator. I Throw it through a fan to get it everywhere under the house and in the attic. Get it into the walls wherever you can. Open all bags of stuff and drop mothballs into each one and reseal. Puff the outside of the bags w/the roach prufe. Seal mattresses and pillows in zippered plastic covers. Change bedding as often as possible. I do mine daily, or I spray with lice bedding spray to drive them out. Hot shot ant and roach worked well in my car. I am now spraying my house weekly with professional pest control products from Do Your Own Pest Control, but the things that are working best, I believe, are the boric acid powder and Nylar (Martins IGR from Ebay). Windex works well for a quick kill, but no residual. I spray my shower and computer w/windex. I ocasionally dab it on crawly spots. It stops them, but I wouldn't recommend it.

Wash the dog at least weekly with the (Hartz I think) Flea and tick shampoo w/oatmeal from Walmart. I have tried numerous pet products; this works best for my dogs. I also have my dogs on Sentinel for fleas and heartworm. It is supposed to help as well. Revolution didn't do a thing.

I wash every load of laundry in bleach and borax (whites) or ammonia and borax (colors). I turn off the washer and let them soak for an hour or so before rinsing. Dry very thoroughly. Bag your clean clothes in sealed bags until you clear your environment.

Now start working on your body. Many of the scabies cures work well for these things, too, but they last longer in your environment, so you have to treat both.

Join the birdmites yahoo group. They have many good ideas. Pick and choose what works best for you.

I have had this for months, but only found out that it was environmental about six weeks ago. I have spent thousands of dollars on stuff to clear this from myself, my kids, my pets and my house. The things I have written are the ones that have worked best for me so far. I am getting a handle on it, and my sister, who got it in her house from me, is beginning to think she is cured using a similar protocol. I hope this helps. This must be so overwhelming for you.
So many questions

United States

#29 Jul 25, 2009
itchygirl wrote:
So many questions,
So sorry you have to go through this on top of your tragedy. You probably have bird or rodent mites from your daughter's house. The fastest thing you can do to begin getting a handle on this is start taking care of your environment.
Here's what works for me:
Roach Prufe or other boric acid powder (pest control section) and an insecticide dust spreader (used for roses and plants). Don't get the silver metal one from Lowes-it doesn't work. Spread Roach Prufe all over your house. Be sure to hit walls, ceilings and carpets. It is toxic but not as toxic so use your discretion. It is not as toxic as a lot of the other pesticides. It is a very fine powder and will cling to walls. You can't see it on the paint, and it continues to kill indefinitely. I Try not to breathe it and use a dust mask or respirator. I Throw it through a fan to get it everywhere under the house and in the attic. Get it into the walls wherever you can. Open all bags of stuff and drop mothballs into each one and reseal. Puff the outside of the bags w/the roach prufe. Seal mattresses and pillows in zippered plastic covers. Change bedding as often as possible. I do mine daily, or I spray with lice bedding spray to drive them out. Hot shot ant and roach worked well in my car. I am now spraying my house weekly with professional pest control products from Do Your Own Pest Control, but the things that are working best, I believe, are the boric acid powder and Nylar (Martins IGR from Ebay). Windex works well for a quick kill, but no residual. I spray my shower and computer w/windex. I ocasionally dab it on crawly spots. It stops them, but I wouldn't recommend it.
Wash the dog at least weekly with the (Hartz I think) Flea and tick shampoo w/oatmeal from Walmart. I have tried numerous pet products; this works best for my dogs. I also have my dogs on Sentinel for fleas and heartworm. It is supposed to help as well. Revolution didn't do a thing.
I wash every load of laundry in bleach and borax (whites) or ammonia and borax (colors). I turn off the washer and let them soak for an hour or so before rinsing. Dry very thoroughly. Bag your clean clothes in sealed bags until you clear your environment.
Now start working on your body. Many of the scabies cures work well for these things, too, but they last longer in your environment, so you have to treat both.
Join the birdmites yahoo group. They have many good ideas. Pick and choose what works best for you.
Thank you so much for answering with great detail.
I am at my wits end. I am writing down what all I need to get. Can I get most of them at Wal-Mart, do you think. I live in a very small town and that is pretty much all we have except a Dollar Store and old Hardware store.lol
I have Promeris for dogs on my dog right now, do you think it would hurt to use the shampoo on him now? I gave him a bath last night and added baby oil and espom salt to it. I had read that on birdmites.org . I think it has calmed him down some. I have been up all night, again just trying to figure out where to start. I have even been afraid of my computer. lol
I sit back and think what all I have did wrong the past few months. I have been taking my vac. cleaner filter outside and hitting it on the fence to clean it out. I guess I will have to treat it also, all over the yard.
I wonder if they will drown? I have a rainbow vac., that I was using and found a couple holes in the hose. That is how I got so bad, I was pulling dressers out and did the mattress and box springs and under the sinks and all, and come to find out it was all blowing right back on me. I was so tore up, that it took days for me to realize that. By that time, it was on the ceilings and all over the house.
So many questions

United States

#30 Jul 25, 2009
When you get so tired, you just can't think.
And I try to get one room, just one room to room I can sit down and rest a minute, and the first thing my hubby does is, come in and throw a rug that I had carried outside so I could clean the room and pitch it right in the middle of the floor, or throw his jacket or something everywhere. So then I get up and start all over again. Its like I am getting no where, fast.

My husband is just now, starting to take this serious.
itchygirl

Youngstown, OH

#31 Jul 26, 2009
Questions,
With the exception of the Nylar, you should be able to get most of the stuff at walmart and the hardware store. The boric acid is sold as 'roach powder' or something similar at Walmart. Roach Prufe (also boric acid) is sold at True Value and Ace. Mothballs are cheapest at dollar store. I also put mothballs in the bags with my mattresses. Spray your mattress covers with windex when you change the bedding. Wash and put away your comforters with mothballs if you have other blankets. They tend to infest comforters. You may be able to get the Nylar at a farm supply or hardware store. Martin's IGR is the most common that I have found. If not, get a prepaid Visa from Walmart and order it on the net. Nylar is a pesticide, but it doesn't kill bugs, it causes them to be be unable to mature and reproduce. I have added professional pesticides to my arsenal after having a bug guy come out twice to spray and fumigate. It worked for several days then they started to come back. So I am spraying weekly with chemicals I ordered off a pest control company on the net. Birdmites.org and the birdmites yahoo group has some good ideas for pesticides to use.

Is your dog big or small? I have not had any problems treating my dogs with two flea products at once, I am just careful to wait about a week between. Mine are all big. I mop my dog area with a cup of borax and cleaner in a bucket of water (2 gal I think) and I have had no problems. I don't rinse. None of my dogs are paw or coat lickers, though.

There are many body remedies for this stuff. I have found that soaking in borax, epsom and tea tree oil helps. I also scrub myself with a back brush and Windex the tub when I get out. I also use some more toxic remedies, which I have posted before. Be careful with all of this. Listen to your body and consult your Dr. if you are unsure. Many of the things I am doing are probably not great for my health, but living with constant crawling and biting was ruining my sanity. Good luck.
So many questions

United States

#32 Jul 26, 2009
itchygirl wrote:
Questions,
With the exception of the Nylar, you should be able to get most of the stuff at walmart and the hardware store. The boric acid is sold as 'roach powder' or something similar at Walmart. Roach Prufe (also boric acid) is sold at True Value and Ace. Mothballs are cheapest at dollar store. I also put mothballs in the bags with my mattresses. Spray your mattress covers with windex when you change the bedding. Wash and put away your comforters with mothballs if you have other blankets. They tend to infest comforters. You may be able to get the Nylar at a farm supply or hardware store. Martin's IGR is the most common that I have found. If not, get a prepaid Visa from Walmart and order it on the net. Nylar is a pesticide, but it doesn't kill bugs, it causes them to be be unable to mature and reproduce. I have added professional pesticides to my arsenal after having a bug guy come out twice to spray and fumigate. It worked for several days then they started to come back. So I am spraying weekly with chemicals I ordered off a pest control company on the net. Birdmites.org and the birdmites yahoo group has some good ideas for pesticides to use.
Is your dog big or small? I have not had any problems treating my dogs with two flea products at once, I am just careful to wait about a week between. Mine are all big. I mop my dog area with a cup of borax and cleaner in a bucket of water (2 gal I think) and I have had no problems. I don't rinse. None of my dogs are paw or coat lickers, though.
There are many body remedies for this stuff. I have found that soaking in borax, epsom and tea tree oil helps. I also scrub myself with a back brush and Windex the tub when I get out. I also use some more toxic remedies, which I have posted before. Be careful with all of this. Listen to your body and consult your Dr. if you are unsure. Many of the things I am doing are probably not great for my health, but living with constant crawling and biting was ruining my sanity. Good luck.
OK, what is Nylar?

I am so so upset and scared. I have to admit that, the last couple of months I have let my washing and a couple of others things go. Because I have been canning so much. Our garden has produced in abundents, this year. I have an extra bathroom where my washer and dryer are, and no one goes in there, so I have been throwing all clothes in the tub, and believe you me, when I say it was full. I was just waiting until I found out for sure, what is going on.
Well can you image me, when I read your comment about the dirty clothes. I had planned on just taking them all to the laundromat and letting them all soak at one time.lol

So here I run to the washroom to sort my clothes and bag them. OMG, you wasn't kidding when you said they breed in dirty clothes. I just got done a few minutes ago and came in to get in the bath with all my stuff from Wally World Selsun Blue shampoo, Tea Tree Oil, Epsom Salt, Clean and Clear face wash, Biore pore strips, Listerine mouth wash, and Baby Oil. Wow, is that all.lol

Anyway, you should see my legs and face, I haven't looked anywhere else yet. Brown spots everywhere, lots of them, I had a few but this bad.

O, I don't know how to use the Tea Tree Oil.
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#33 Jul 26, 2009
Nylar is an insect growth regulator. You can buy this from doyourownpestcontrol dot com. You mix with another miticide and use it as an environmental spray. I was told that IGR's do not work on mites, because mites are not insects, they are arthropods, but, I am using the Nylar, and it is helping in my environment.
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#34 Jul 26, 2009
So many questions wrote:
When you get so tired, you just can't think.
And I try to get one room, just one room to room I can sit down and rest a minute, and the first thing my hubby does is, come in and throw a rug that I had carried outside so I could clean the room and pitch it right in the middle of the floor, or throw his jacket or something everywhere. So then I get up and start all over again. Its like I am getting no where, fast.
My husband is just now, starting to take this serious.
Throw the rug away. Don't talk about it with your husband, just throw it out when he is not around.
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#35 Jul 26, 2009
So many questions wrote:
More of the story.
My head itches more and more, and the pores or the hair folcils (sp) in my face have something white in them and they are getting bigger. And something is biting me.
I have gotten brown spots come up, and now it is starting on my husband.
It gets in my eyes, and I get bumps with a white hard something in them and clear like blisters, that only clear fluid comes out.
I will finish in a little bit, got to run to the store for more borax, which by the way, will that harm my dog by mopping in it? Do I need to rinse it off, and will that stop it from doing its job, if I do?
So Many Questions: Do you know about the birdmites.org website? You probably already know about it, but it is really worth a visit.

Also, there is a yahoo group called birdmitesorg (without the dot). There are lots of people there going through the same thing as you. It may help you to join this group and receive emails from group members.
So many questions

United States

#36 Jul 26, 2009
Joe wrote:
<quoted text>
So Many Questions: Do you know about the birdmites.org website? You probably already know about it, but it is really worth a visit.
Also, there is a yahoo group called birdmitesorg (without the dot). There are lots of people there going through the same thing as you. It may help you to join this group and receive emails from group members.
No, I did not know about that one. Thanks

The rug, a friend of ours that had a liver transplant, gave it to us. It is from somewhere,lol been up to long. But, I think it is about a 2 thousand dollar one. Can it be saved? It be trash if bugs won't come out. lol

I have been reading some of these threads for a while, now. I have been a member since I lost my daughter, and someone called me and told me to look on Topix. Small town and Topix, clue.
So many questions

United States

#37 Jul 26, 2009
O, by the way, I don't live in Ga.

I may be in Ca., later.

Thanks for the help so far. Their is more I would love to tell someone. But, don't want to be a bother.

I really do have so many questions.
So many questions

United States

#38 Jul 26, 2009
Ichygirl, he is a small dog. Lhasa Apso.
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#39 Jul 26, 2009
So many questions wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I did not know about that one. Thanks
The rug, a friend of ours that had a liver transplant, gave it to us. It is from somewhere,lol been up to long. But, I think it is about a 2 thousand dollar one. Can it be saved? It be trash if bugs won't come out. lol
I have been reading some of these threads for a while, now. I have been a member since I lost my daughter, and someone called me and told me to look on Topix. Small town and Topix, clue.
Okay, it's worth alot, huh.... Then, maybe just roll it up and place it agaist the wall, that way it won't infest you and you won't infest it, by walking on it. These things seem to survive in carpeting. Or you can sprinkle Roach Prufe all over it. Or put some borax in it and brush the borax into the carpet and let it sit. is vacuuming it, helping any? get some rest. these mites love tired people. they love people with poor immunity.
So many questions

United States

#40 Jul 27, 2009
Joe wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, it's worth alot, huh.... Then, maybe just roll it up and place it agaist the wall, that way it won't infest you and you won't infest it, by walking on it. These things seem to survive in carpeting. Or you can sprinkle Roach Prufe all over it. Or put some borax in it and brush the borax into the carpet and let it sit. is vacuuming it, helping any? get some rest. these mites love tired people. they love people with poor immunity.
I am 45, and since I had back surgery 5 or 6 years ago, I have had a poor immunity system. I was never sick my whole life, now it seems I am going down hill fast.lol

I did get some rest, it really does make a difference.

Is the process the same, if it is bird mites or scabies? I have read so much, that I can't even remember what is for what.

Is their a good place that I can go to see step by step. You have had some very good advice. But some of the things I can't find. Guess I will have to order them.

What ever this is it is in my pores or my hair follicle's. And you can see them. And I have brown spots on me and some of them are rough to the feel. Am I making any sense?

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