Scabies or bird mites?
Nightmares Do Come True

United States

#289 Dec 8, 2009
For anyone getting bad chills and fever after being infested for over a month, you should check this site out, it has a natural remedy for lyme disease.
http://www.healthynewage.com/herbal-health-ne...
Now, I am no longer sure that I have scabies after the other night when I found strings on my face and other parts of my body. I want to describe them so that everyone knows what I found. These strings were up to an inch long, but most were approximately one half inch long and fibrous. As I pulled them apart between my fingers they exhibited multiple fibers. Almost looked like fiberglass strands or cotton being stretched. These things were in balls or strands, and were slimy, probably from the coconut oil and sulfur ointment.

I asked MikDee last night how fast his top of skin crawlers are. He replied that they moved slowly, like a worm, and from all the reports I have found, this is typical of scabies. My top of skin crawlers are fast! They can cross the top of my foot in less than a second.

I would think that this is a nematode, but that would not explain the top of skin crawlers. Also, when the top of skin crawls are persistant, I can rub my hand through them and transfer them to my hand.

I am done using the harsh chemicals to try to treat whatever my condition is. I do not know if it is Morgellons disease, but it seems to fit. Tomorrow I will start on the cat's claw to try to reduce the chills and I will let you guys know my results. If anyone reading this could tell me how fast their top of skin crawls are, it might put my mind more at ease...or scare the hell out of me. But I sure would like to know. God Bless you all and I hope we can all be cured soon.

Since: Nov 09

Milford, PA

#290 Dec 8, 2009
N.D.C.T. Maybe you have a skin condition like Candida? There's treatments for that, in fact, shampoo's should help, with selenium I think, or Zinc pyrethione (spelling). I know I don't have scabies, because the symptoms don't fit, I think it's birdmites, but at this stage I'm not even sure about what it is?

My crawlings usually seem to wiggle slowly, & stay in the same area like continously being tickled by a feather, but on occasion I've felt what seems like them racing all over me? Some how I remember having a mental image of a bird severly infested with I figure bird mites, I don't know how, or why, but it looked horrible, missing feathers, mangy, with stringy white worms all over it. I kinda think the mites bring the worms.
bug sleuth

Madison, WI

#291 Dec 8, 2009
Hey Nightmares,
I believe you do have Morgellons. I am experiencing the same thing. I have been able to photograph the stringy things under the microscope as well as an insect that is also present. The stringy things I believe are a nematode or trematode. I have done the scabies treatment 4 times now and had scabies 20 years ago so I know what they feel like and these are not scabies. I believe the worm is involved and either attracts insects that it feeds on or insects feed on it. I don't believe that this worm is a surface only worm. I believe it is capable of living throughout organs and tissues. I also think this worm comes along with possibly several other types of worms, possibly a pin worm and a tape worm. I also believe that a bacteria and possibly a protozoa organism is also present. I think that any treatment one uses can reduce but not eliminate one or more of these organisms and because everything is not eliminated, this re-infection will continue to occur. I do have the chills and fever. On a few occasions my chills have been so bad that I actually shiver and shake curled up in a fetal position. It's a type of chill that feels like it is through the bone and nothing seems to be able to warm me. The crawling sensations you have may or may not actually be on the skin. In my case I can't tell. From putting packing label tape on my unbroken skin where I feel crawling, I have been able to consistently produce straw looking filament type organisms of different sizes and thicknesses. When you look at the tape, you see nothing mostly, but when viewed under the microscope, you can see these things. Often times, I find them in an area where I will also find balls of strings which seem to be encasing something as well as with a group of microscopic insects of some sort. Sometimes also, I will find a dense black dot with minute stick type things sticking out all around it. Most of which are NOT visible to the naked eye. It seems that they all sort of work together to produce the overall condition we are suffering with. You can view some of these organisms at:
http://www.chacosplace.com/mitestoryhtml.htm
This is just my opinion though based on my observations.
searching

New York, NY

#292 Dec 8, 2009
Note re: FUNGUS and MAKEUP:

the following seems to me to support the idea of fungus: I noticed I was having itchiness on my face, which had not happened before at all (problems since July). I reflected on whether I had changed anything in my life -- diet, meds, etc - and realized that I'd run out of a mineral-based foundation makeup, and used something else I had on hand, for the last several days.
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When I went back to my mineral-based makeup today (I use MAC but I am sure there are things in drugstores at other price levels), I totally stopped having the itchy places on my face. I know that regular foundation is subject to getting rancid, because of vegetable oils in it - in the context of this mystery skin/itch etc condition, I feel pretty sure that the non-mineral make-up provided a host condition for whatever this is.
searching

New York, NY

#293 Dec 8, 2009
NOTE Re: CLOTHES and this thing:
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I went away for Thanksgiving with super-clean clothes all packed in their own ziplock bags -- but was itchy by the time I arrived across the country.- Realized I'd failed to soak and wash my shoulder-bag, which is silk and leather (had been able to use it for a few weeks at a time usually), and had gotten infested even though it does nto touch my skin.
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So the bag has contaminated my jacket with whatever this is (I now think fungus), jacket messed up other clothes, etc.
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Solution: I went to H&M (a pretty low-cost but stylish shop) and got a decent-looking pleather bag for $25, which I can spray with Windex and which is not a magnet for fungus or bugs.
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Since the 80s are apparently coming back anyhow, maybe an all-pleather wardrobe is the right idea.
Nightmares Do Come True

United States

#294 Dec 8, 2009
The only thing I am positive about at this time is that the scabies treatements, especially permethrin, are not working for me. I am inclined to agree that this is a fungus or nematodal infection and have added cat's claw, zinc, and garlic to my dietary supplements. I have also ordered Nutrasilver and it should be here within a week, all of these elements should help to clear up whatever type of infection I have, and do it natuarally rather than antibiotics.

To sum it up, I do not disagree with any of you, I think we are looking at this in the right light. Hopefully through the use of these forums we can track down what the actual secondary infection is and treat it properly, so that others do not have to end up feeling lost and hopeless in fighting these things.

I must say that even the thought of having Morgellons, a cureless disease, scares the hell out of me. But, I do believe that since I have only seen the fibers over the last three days, that I have a chance of beating this, whatever label a person might give it. Now, I still feel similar to the first time I posted on this forum "What a bunch of crap, I can't believe that there is an affliction like this out there that the medical community is not willing to lift a finger to help with" So hopefully our support networks will not only help others trying to figure things out, but make the medical society wake the hell up. There are some extremely intelligent people posting here, and I do not believe any of us are delusional. What a copout by the entire medical profession.

I took the suit off this morning, my skin could not handle the sulfur cream any longer. BTW...I had more strings come out while using a thick layer of the sulfur ointment, than with just coconut oil on reapplications. Wearing the suit has seemed to cut down on the bites, but on reduced the top of skin crawls by maybe 30%. Just posting this in case someone else was thinking of trying it. Having the suit and the heavy skin barrier made me even colder and I needed the heat even higher to stay warm. Now I am still cold, but warm up easier since I have washed off the sulfur cream and only reapplied the coconut oil.

Good luck all and God Bless.
Clod

Asheville, NC

#295 Dec 9, 2009

Since: Nov 09

Milford, PA

#296 Dec 9, 2009
Check this out, it's the latest post from Bill, our friend here,(also known as John Doe on the yahoo birdmite forum). By the way, I use 10% sulfur soap with lanolin, anything more then that will irritate the skin.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/birdmite...
sam

United States

#297 Dec 10, 2009
Bill in Mich wrote:
Hi Mikdee
I ran out of room in the last post.
The 30 min borax baths in regular warm water , but sudsy, work for sure. It take 2 days to see the amazing results of buglessness., this is where I don't stop. I keep it up 2 times per day for 30mins for 3-5 days then just use epsom for 1-3 day then back to 1 cup borax & 2 epsom them back to the epsom salts only . I keep soaking & dial down the stength of the soaks , little by little. & keep it up for 30-60 days . It works for sure . Ask sam about his feet , it cured his feet well . I was there watching him with all Sam's helpful posts .
Hi Bill, thought I'd comment. The soaks only helped the itching, cured it for a while, it always came back. At that time I thought it was still scabies. What eventually CURED my itching for good was using topical anti fungals like Lamisil, Head and Shoulders Intensive, and oral Lamisil pills. I'm now really sorry that I posted the borax, epsom, cured me, because it was only temporary.

This forum is a lot better than it was in the past. Before people were all saying, keep using the toxic scabies meds. Now there are people coming back saying either they had something besides scabies or bugs, or that when they stopped all treatments, their skin eventually healed. I hope you and everyone else finds a cure soon. Peace to all.
searching

Brooklyn, NY

#298 Dec 10, 2009
I'll second what Sam is saying - I appreciate every post on this thread, and I really appreciate it when people keep coming back to modify and add information about their own processes of finding both symptom relief, which is extremely important, and longer-term relief and cures.
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A current approach to COATS which is working for me - in the fall I started to really stress out re: coats - I live a somewhat dressed-up life and am seen a lot in my coat (i.e.- I can't just bundle up in any old thing an dleave it in my car, I walk many places).
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I splurged a bit and got a lambskin coat with the furry side oiut, the leather side on the inside. So - no woven fabric ivolved. After I wear it, I have been running a lint roller over it on the inside and at collar and cuffs, which is where it touches my sin. Then I have been spraying the inside and collar and cuffs with pretty diluted Head and Shoulders. So far - repeat wearing is okay!!
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Because - the sheepskin is impenetrable, so nothig can get through it. And on the rationale that sulphur is good for skin, and used in tanning, I don't think I am hurting the coat.
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I'll come back and report whether this continues to work. But last night I sart in a dark movie theatre in this coat for a whole movie and was fine, and to me that's a good test environment!

Since: Nov 09

Milford, PA

#299 Dec 10, 2009
sam wrote:
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Hi Bill, thought I'd comment. The soaks only helped the itching, cured it for a while, it always came back. At that time I thought it was still scabies. What eventually CURED my itching for good was using topical anti fungals like Lamisil, Head and Shoulders Intensive, and oral Lamisil pills. I'm now really sorry that I posted the borax, epsom, cured me, because it was only temporary.
I tried the Borax 1cup, & Peroxide 1cup, hot soak in a bath the other night. No bites, or itching overnight, and I found more smaller (almost microscopic) black specs then usual in the bed, so I believe that helped. Last night I tried Borax 1 cup, & Epsom salts 1 cup, plus 1/8cup of blue Dawn, in a hot soak, & found a lot of microscopic black specs dropping off me as I left the tub! But, I did get a few lingering weak bites,(death knells, I think) just before going to bed, then nothing else all night.

Next, I'm gonna try a hot bath with a pint, & 1/2, of white vinegar tonight, because I read it's good for the skin, plus, antiseptic, & antibacterial as well.
tutu

Honolulu, HI

#300 Dec 10, 2009
Hi Everyone, I too have been fighting these invisiable creatures what ever they are for a year and half. My friend first caught them, and yes I was stressed from training for the marathon so I was the next canadate. There are a lot of web sites and birdmites.org is an excellent one. As for myself I swim every day in the ocean (salt) and that helps, at night I take a shower with dawn liquid dish soap, I rub petroleum jelly with a small amount of MSM all over my body, it helps but does not eliminate. I take a decongestant and low dose of melatonin which helps me get 7 hrs sleep at night. I wash my clothes in Fab then dry on hot, this helps a lot. I heard recently about a deep freze machine that they use in NY to kill bed bugs does anyone know what it is called? Wherever I go, no matter what country I take these little critters with me, though they are less active when I travel. I like the idea about the possibility that they may be columbella mites it makes a lot sence. My parting advise do all you can and accept they are one more challenge we must deal with until we learn how to eliminate them
Aloha Tutu

Since: Nov 09

Wilmington, NC

#301 Dec 10, 2009
I see no sign of finding a cure or elemanating these creatures, they jump and mites and worms don't jump, well atleast any iv'e ever herd of, but they can grown inside of humans and feed and multiply in humans.
http://www.google.com/search...

Most Collembola feed on the fungi and bacteria found in rotting organic matter but many arboreal (living in trees) and epidaphic (living on the surface of the soil) species also feed on algae. Some feed on other plant materials and in some places particularly Australia Sminthurus viridus is a pest of lucerne crops. A few other species are carnivorous feeding on Nematodes and other Collembola.

http://www.earthlife.net/insects/collembo.htm...

wet areas like carpet,decks,tree's and yards, around homes and apartments, inside your living rooms feeding on mold, mildew , fungus, and bacteria that we live with everyday. getting warm in your computers and some species can live 67 months.. I have never seen any that are smaller than a flea but I have never really seen this creature that is eating me.

im not saying this is THE BUG, im only saying this is the closiest things I have encountered on a daily basis working in Killing bugs..
write me if you wld like, ill listen.. but I know Nothing more than anyone else, except mild soaps,sulfers,silacic acids are chemicals also and cant be good for anyone,. Btw what happened to post#286 anyway ?
knowy/hotmail
Nightmares Do Come True

United States

#302 Dec 11, 2009
I have been taking the cat's claw bark, garlic, and zinc in addition to my previous list and have a drastic reduction in top of skin crawls. The feeling of something jumping on me or landing on me, or falling from one part of the body to another..is gone! However, I feel every single one of these bastards inside my skin now, somehow I have made my epidermal uninhabitable or at least inhospitable. But I have a lot of under the skin crawls now, and there are more very minor feelings of pinpricks. I keep envisioning a fungus releasing from the nerve endings. I have not given up on the idea that these could be nematodes, so I am going to fast for three days on nothing but tomatoes and fresh pineapple to see if that has any impact. What I saw come out of my skin was white and most were a half inch long, this would be a pretty good description of pinworms, but they were dead and they were fibrous, like thousands of little fibers in one, so I am not counting on it being pinworms, but I have to try.

I am still awful cold, but warm up better than I did before. It would be interesting to know if anyone else gets the same affect from the cat's claw. It only took 20-30 hours to feel results from it and it is less than $10 for 100 capsules at 500mg each. I am taking two capsules, three times daily. The amount of things they are suppose to help with makes it worth it.

I am continuing to apply just coconut oil after every bath or shower. It seems to be helping. The biggest advantage I see to the coconut oil is that it relieves stretch marks. If you are losing weight as fast as I am...you know about stretch marks. God Bless you all, if it wasn't for this forum I would be suicidal.
bug sleuth

Madison, WI

#303 Dec 11, 2009
Hey Everyone,
I was going to post some things I have been using that have been helping me but this past week I got the worst relapse. All of a sudden the rashes and crawling are back. It has been a little over a month since I last took my 2nd and last dose of Ivermectin and now I'm almost back to square one minus most of the hair crawling. The electrical feel is coming back and I'm miserable. I have begun to see tiny mole type things developing under my skin that I didn't have before. I am finding more of the fiber things under my skin again, invisible to the naked eye, only seen under microscope. I've also had some strange electrical things happening around the house. Was again looking on the internet for more information and came across an article that may interest some of you who are beginning to come to the realization that this is not scabies. Pay attention to this particular organisms behavior. I never heard of this thing and it's from the 90's.
http://www.abc.net.au/quantum/stories/s112832...
bug sleuth

Madison, WI

#304 Dec 11, 2009
P.S. I just found out the organism that causes this is also known as phantom dinoflagellate. Check out this PDF from the Department of Natural Resources in WI. Take a look at the chart that shows all the characteristics this organism can take. I see a LOT of similarities to the things found under the skin in Morgellons.
dnr.wi.gov/invasives/classification/pdfs/LR_P...

Since: Nov 09

Milford, PA

#305 Dec 11, 2009
I'd sooner believe something like this, I just happened upon this while web surfing. "Walking dandruff" I would think that maybe it's scaley shell may cause a "broken glass" feel as it moves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheyletiellosis

Since: Nov 09

Wilmington, NC

#306 Dec 11, 2009
ok, so I agree with all of this.
MikDee > I have believed it was a Mange, infesting humans since I started getting the itchy dry skin . sorta when it all started for me, but I have no pets, but pest do live in my apartment building, and I would have many calls to treat infected homes for fleas that didnt exists.I still talk to my fellow pest control buddies and they ALWAYS get these same calls, after treating these infected homes for months and months on end and NEVER seeing a flea, who knows what this is.

Bug sleuth > check out fish kill neuse river on google and a link to this http://www.newbernsj.com/articles/million-474...
I live not far from there and used to work in that area alot.
They think it was caused by low oxegen levels in the water but only one species of fish were/are being infected, the Atlantic menhaden, no dead crabs or bigger predatory fish,or clams, or anything else, why would low oxegen levels only affect one species of fish called Atlantic menhaden = bait fish and not the whole ecosystem.. where I live I find this crystal like orgianisum living on my glass door and it has been growing bigger every month. it looks like crystal bacteria that wont clean off. we have salt spray because of where I live but this is much more invasive than salt in the air. I wish I had a camera .

Nightmares Do Come True > I so very happy that your having results, please keep us informed, I really want to send you some links but dont have your e-mail.Email me if you wld like, I could post them here but a friend sent them to me and is way more advanced than I am and it really is a deep subject that some people might not find to their liking . Ill ask my friend it they would mind me using there links.

the only reason I have ever said Collembola is the instant jumping feeling everyday working at my old job, starting on my legs and then the crawling feeling all over me.. I would be fine leaving for work in the morning, but would get them on my first non existant flea job..
I have no microscope, no camera so I cant post any of my own pictures.
Please hang in there,
we still have great things to see even if we do itch like this >>>
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/34353...

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my opinion , Russian missiles aren't perfect spirals's that look like galaxy's,or black holes when they go out of control. And no explosion.

sorry , That is another topic altogether, I just cant wait for what happens next.
Knowy
searching

Brooklyn, NY

#307 Dec 11, 2009
Question - has anyone consulted a mold/fungus specialist? have you had your environment tested for mold etc in the air?
Nightmares Do Come True

United States

#308 Dec 11, 2009
Knowy- I don't know if its time to rejoice or cry with getting them off the top of my skin, because now they are all under the skin crawls...

I desperately need to find a way to stop the under skin crawls now. The ivermectin worked very well for this the very first time I used it, but has lost potency against them ever since, and it only worked for a day and a half that first time. I have been taking a lot of the iver, so I know that is not the proper treatment for what is living under my skin. I keep thinking it must be fungal, but haven't figured out how to wipe it out. If it is nematodal, then my changes in diet and dietary supplements should do the trick, but I would think they would already be showing signs of ridding them, which they are not!

As you can see I am still quite lost as far as eradication, but I am trying everything I can think of. I will never use permethrin again though, that is a guarantee. I am in agreement with many posters here that it is pure poison.

Knowy- my email is soulsearch3r2003atyahoo.com and that goes for anyone else too ;)

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