Scabies or bird mites?

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Diana

Workington, UK

#1 Aug 17, 2008
I have been suffering for two yrs now since I moved into my house and can't seem to shift the problem. When I first arrived at my new home I wouldn't be able to sleep as I felt things crawling all over me. I had the house fumigated three times and have used several bottles of Derbac M for scabies but nothing has helped I still face the same problem but not as severe as I did at first. My whole family was affected and can still feel it now after many attempts to get rid of whatever it is. It gets worse at night and a friend said they started itching after sitting on my chair at work. I have covered my mattress and bed linen, wash everything constantly and although there is no visual signs of scabies I still wonder if it is? My neighbour has a bird house next door and I have found out that there were birds nesting in the eve's and that my house was fumigated before I arrived. So although I don't know which one it is but the doctors are at a loose end too now after visiting them numerous times. These things jump on you or thats how it feels. I don't know anymore. All suggestions welcome.
Itty Bitty Critters

Hollywood, FL

#2 Aug 17, 2008
Diana wrote:
I have been suffering for two yrs now since I moved into my house and can't seem to shift the problem. When I first arrived at my new home I wouldn't be able to sleep as I felt things crawling all over me. I had the house fumigated three times and have used several bottles of Derbac M for scabies but nothing has helped I still face the same problem but not as severe as I did at first. My whole family was affected and can still feel it now after many attempts to get rid of whatever it is. It gets worse at night and a friend said they started itching after sitting on my chair at work. I have covered my mattress and bed linen, wash everything constantly and although there is no visual signs of scabies I still wonder if it is? My neighbour has a bird house next door and I have found out that there were birds nesting in the eve's and that my house was fumigated before I arrived. So although I don't know which one it is but the doctors are at a loose end too now after visiting them numerous times. These things jump on you or thats how it feels. I don't know anymore. All suggestions welcome.
it could be some type of animal sarcoptic mites (not just human scabies). I seem to have the same thing you have. 2.5 years for me.
the one thing which distinguishes bird mites from sarcoptic mites, is the amount of time they can live without a host. bird mites live months without a host, whereas, scabies only live up to 28 days without a host (and that is extreme).
and it seems that the eggs or mites live long in the car (like the car is an incubator). also, people with poor immune systems seem to hold onto both birds and sarcoptic mites.
Sam

United States

#3 Aug 17, 2008
Diana, it doesn't sound like human scabies since you have no visual skin signs, just the feeling of things crawling? Examine your skin closely with a magnifying glass to see if you can see bumps or wavy lines.

Check the attic or garage for rodents and the eves and chimney for bird nests. Is there an area of the home that seems more infested than others? Stacked wood with bugs? You could put some glueboards called CatchMaster down then examine them with a magnifying glass. They smell like peanut butter and really work for catching insects to identify. Did the fumigators say what they used and do it at least twice in a row, once to catch adults and again to get eggs that hatched? Did they spray the yard? Is is possible to move?
Bill in Michigan

United States

#4 Aug 18, 2008
Diana its a bug or fungus . the house is infested . Bleach every inch and throw out things that are to hard to clean. It takes many many bleachings to get it out just the cracks , then there is the wall cavitys and attic and basement or crawl space.
The bst thing is to find somthing that stops it, then get it off of you and go smiewhere else
The chemlicals that kill these things on the skin are:
1.Sublimed Sulfur 1 teasp & 9 hand creme , apply top of head to toe for 15 days , take breaks if needed .
2.Borax baths 1.5 cups per 5 gallons for 30 minute in a sponge bath
3. Epsom salts 1 cup & 2 cups of water disolved and poured over the head to the toes & left on to dry .
I would use all of these for 1 month , when you see improvement take a vacation for 10 days with nothing , from the house

Boil the clothes, bag the bed, sulfur the dog , gas the car, pitch the closet stuff fast , once you get cured the closets will reinfect you. Think like a hospital , you will win ..

Gos bless you
, Bill
Ps I have the same thing here in Michigan. It dies wheen you bleach it , then soak the whole house in epsom 3 cups to 1 gallon in a Chapin sprayer for 10.00 at ace hardware. it is messy but rinsed right away and wet vacs up

pss There is another good forum
www.birdmite.com . Possible join it
Sam

United States

#5 Aug 20, 2008
Excellent idea Bill! Fungus in the home: http://www.latesting.com/index.cfm...

some cause dermatitis or other illnesses.
Sam

United States

#6 Aug 20, 2008
One of these lives in tobacco, for the guy who said the mites go for that when he leaves it out. Also for the lady who said they get scabies every year when they bring their down blanket out. Most of these live in paper, wood, and fabrics, MIS? I'm thinking of people on here who couldn't get diagnosed with scabies but had skin problems, Zooks, MM-M, and others.

Not something to mess around with if you think it might be a fungus in your home. I bet some of these are in my storage, and the scabies came on board to eat the fungi, or vice versa.
Mite Killer

San Diego, CA

#7 Aug 20, 2008
Scabies eats fungus? Fungus eats scabies? must be psychedelic fungi and the cure is incense and peppermint.

http://amanita-muscaria.org/mushrooms/psyched...
Too Long

Oak Harbor, WA

#8 Aug 20, 2008
Mite Killer wrote:
Scabies eats fungus? Fungus eats scabies? must be psychedelic fungi and the cure is incense and peppermint.
http://amanita-muscaria.org/mushrooms/psyched...


LOL ...and loud Jimi Hendrix music! Amanita Cure, real soon!
Thanks MK.....TL
Too Long

Oak Harbor, WA

#9 Aug 21, 2008
Diana wrote:
I have been suffering for two yrs now since I moved into my house and can't seem to shift the problem. When I first arrived at my new home I wouldn't be able to sleep as I felt things crawling all over me. I had the house fumigated three times and have used several bottles of Derbac M for scabies but nothing has helped I still face the same problem but not as severe as I did at first. My whole family was affected and can still feel it now after many attempts to get rid of whatever it is. It gets worse at night and a friend said they started itching after sitting on my chair at work. I have covered my mattress and bed linen, wash everything constantly and although there is no visual signs of scabies I still wonder if it is? My neighbour has a bird house next door and I have found out that there were birds nesting in the eve's and that my house was fumigated before I arrived. So although I don't know which one it is but the doctors are at a loose end too now after visiting them numerous times. These things jump on you or thats how it feels. I don't know anymore. All suggestions welcome.
Diana, have you noticed any skin changes? Do you have pets? If so treat them too
also, if you think it might be birdmites, you can check out the
birdmite forum on yahoo/ groups. Lots of ideas and people that feel that
birdmites are the problem on them and in their homes -Many of us know of the feeling of crawling and biting sensations without a diagnosis,
it is a miserable experience. I hope you find some answers soon. TL

Sam

United States

#10 Aug 21, 2008
Fungi can be present in the home or body and cause dermal or other health issues, including a crawling feeling on skin. This may be what Diana has been dealing with, for 2 years, not scabies. Or others here too. I had a link describing the crawling feeling from fungi, but can't find it now.

Anyway I'm cured and have no idea why I stick around on this forum to be made fun of. MK, enjoy your incense, peppermint, and mites.
Too Long

Oak Harbor, WA

#11 Aug 21, 2008
Sam wrote:
Fungi can be present in the home or body and cause dermal or other health issues, including a crawling feeling on skin. This may be what Diana has been dealing with, for 2 years, not scabies. Or others here too. I had a link describing the crawling feeling from fungi, but can't find it now.
Anyway I'm cured and have no idea why I stick around on this forum to be made fun of. MK, enjoy your incense, peppermint, and mites.
Sam, you are so respected and appreciated by all of the posters here,
please don't let a silly moment offend you,
from my perspective, the silliness was not directed at you. I bet MK feels the same way. Thanks for your help on the forum. Glad you are cured and thank you for helping so many. Apologies to any that come here and find the goofing off offensive. These are trying times, and so sometimes ya gotta laugh. Not to be hurtful though.
still suffering

Lompoc, CA

#12 Jul 21, 2009
I'm not sure if I have birdmites or scabies, but it is most likely birdmites from the symptoms. I live in a huge house with 4 acres of woods behind it. Theres wildlife everywhere. My bedroomn is carpeted and it seems to be worse there. Do i need to remove the carpet? Has anyone used Terminix like it suggests on the birdmite website??? My car is infested as well. I've bombed, used ALL of the scabies remedies and medications-and im still living this nightmare. They are the worst on my scalp. Any suggestions are appreciated greatly.
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#13 Jul 22, 2009
still suffering wrote:
I'm not sure if I have birdmites or scabies, but it is most likely birdmites from the symptoms. I live in a huge house with 4 acres of woods behind it. Theres wildlife everywhere. My bedroomn is carpeted and it seems to be worse there. Do i need to remove the carpet? Has anyone used Terminix like it suggests on the birdmite website??? My car is infested as well. I've bombed, used ALL of the scabies remedies and medications-and im still living this nightmare. They are the worst on my scalp. Any suggestions are appreciated greatly.
Yes, the carpet needs to come up and thrown out.
Same in the car, remove all the way down to the tar paper in the car. I wash my hair with head and shoulders in the blue bottle. it contains selinium sulfide 1%. been using it for 2 years now. also, a dose of ivermectin every 2 weeks will also take care of the mites on your scalp, ears, eyes, and everywhere else. join the yahoo group called birdmitesorg. there are lots of people there with the same problem you have. Also, go to doyourownpestcontrol dot com and buy some miticides, like Bifen I/T. Nylar is an insect growth regulator and this is good to use in your environmental spray mix. my car is better with the carpet on the driver's side removed.
itchygirl

Youngstown, OH

#14 Jul 22, 2009
Suffering,
I have just been fighting my infestation as a bird mite infestation for about a month now. Before that I fought it for 8 months thinking it was resistant scabies. I also live in a house with lots of wildlife and large trees around it. The best thing I have found so far has been Roach Prufe. About $8 a can at Ace or True Value. Get yourself an insecticide duster as well ($10). Don't get the silver metal one from Lowe's -it doesn't work. The Roach Prufe is working better for me than the $320 bug guy (he isn't Terminex- but he is fogging and spraying his little heart out with limited success). Puff it everywhere. Use a dust mask. I haven't had any problems with my pets, but I am keeping them out of the most infested and most heavily dusted room, which is also my bedroom. I am putting it on carpets, walls, ceilings, under furniture, the underside of mattresses, on light fixtures, furniture, attic space, etc. I tossed it into a fan to do my whole attic quickly. My sister, who also has this problem thanks to me, is having good luck with Roach Prufe and Gentrol (another IGR similar to Nylar). I have just received an order of Onslaught, Cyonara and Gentrol from Do Your Own Pest Control. I am going to spray on alternating weeks with the Cyonara and the Onslaught, with the Gentrol mixed in. I am continuing to put Roach Prufe everywhere I can think of. I soak in epsom salts, tee tree and borax nightly, and dry my bedding in a hot dryer every night. My mattress and pillows are encased in zipped plastic cover. Between the Roach Prufe and the soaking I have been able to sleep for the first time in months. I find lots of little black specks in the tub after soaking. I do also occasionally take Iver and it works well. I am trying to avoid taking it often as I took it for a long time straight when thought this was scabies. I do take a lot of neem. I think it helps. I get the crawlies out of my hair with freedom 45, Windex or Eurax lotion. the best thing I found for my car was Hot Shot ant and roach. I tried lots of pesticides before I hit on that one.
I second Joe's suggestion about the yahoo birdmites group. All of the good ideas I have gotten for fighting this have come from either this (topix scabies) site, the birdmites.org website or the birdmites yahoo group. There are some nice, helpful people on the yahoo group who are quite knowledgeable about clearing your home of these things. If you need advice, throw out a post and you will get lots of good ideas from people who have been there. Good luck.
still suffering

Lompoc, CA

#15 Jul 22, 2009
Suffering,
I have just been fighting my infestation as a bird mite infestation for about a month now. Before that I fought it for 8 months thinking it was resistant scabies. I also live in a house with lots of wildlife and large trees around it. The best thing I have found so far has been Roach Prufe. About $8 a can at Ace or True Value. Get yourself an insecticide duster as well ($10). Don't get the silver metal one from Lowe's -it doesn't work. The Roach Prufe is working better for me than the $320 bug guy (he isn't Terminex- but he is fogging and spraying his little heart out with limited success). Puff it everywhere. Use a dust mask. I haven't had any problems with my pets, but I am keeping them out of the most infested and most heavily dusted room, which is also my bedroom. I am putting it on carpets, walls, ceilings, under furniture, the underside of mattresses, on light fixtures, furniture, attic space, etc. I tossed it into a fan to do my whole attic quickly. My sister, who also has this problem thanks to me, is having good luck with Roach Prufe and Gentrol (another IGR similar to Nylar). I have just received an order of Onslaught, Cyonara and Gentrol from Do Your Own Pest Control. I am going to spray on alternating weeks with the Cyonara and the Onslaught, with the Gentrol mixed in. I am continuing to put Roach Prufe everywhere I can think of. I soak in epsom salts, tee tree and borax nightly, and dry my bedding in a hot dryer every night. My mattress and pillows are encased in zipped plastic cover. Between the Roach Prufe and the soaking I have been able to sleep for the first time in months. I find lots of little black specks in the tub after soaking. I do also occasionally take Iver and it works well. I am trying to avoid taking it often as I took it for a long time straight when thought this was scabies. I do take a lot of neem. I think it helps. I get the crawlies out of my hair with freedom 45, Windex or Eurax lotion. the best thing I found for my car was Hot Shot ant and roach. I tried lots of pesticides before I hit on that one.
I second Joe's suggestion about the yahoo birdmites group. All of the good ideas I have gotten for fighting this have come from either this (topix scabies) site, the birdmites.org website or the birdmites yahoo group. There are some nice, helpful people on the yahoo group who are quite knowledgeable about clearing your home of these things. If you need advice, throw out a post and you will get lots of good ideas from people who have been there. Good luck.[/QUOT
Thanks so much for all the tips. I ordered the freedom 45 for dogs. How do you use that? I mixed mine with baby oil and applied to my scalp but still felt itchy there. I have racoons under my deck, 1 cat left (had 3--I think the 'coons killed them) my house is 4000 square feet -whatta nightmare this is. God help us fight this freakin' plague!!!!!! I did join the birdmite group. Thank u again and keep the tips coming. This has all but ruined my life :((
still suffering

Lompoc, CA

#16 Jul 22, 2009
Joe wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, the carpet needs to come up and thrown out.
Same in the car, remove all the way down to the tar paper in the car. I wash my hair with head and shoulders in the blue bottle. it contains selinium sulfide 1%. been using it for 2 years now. also, a dose of ivermectin every 2 weeks will also take care of the mites on your scalp, ears, eyes, and everywhere else. join the yahoo group called birdmitesorg. there are lots of people there with the same problem you have. Also, go to doyourownpestcontrol dot com and buy some miticides, like Bifen I/T. Nylar is an insect growth regulator and this is good to use in your environmental spray mix. my car is better with the carpet on the driver's side removed.
Thanks for the info. I have a lot of carpet. Im dusting with SEVIN insect powder and I got the good nights mite and bedbug spray. Im washing in borax and take several showers a day. I have a 08 with leather seats-its bad in my car. I've bombed several times. I hate to get rid of it-only had it a year.... If I have to I will leave this house and everything in it to escape!!!! Im desperate and sleep-deprived!!!! Thanks again. I hope we all get cured soon!!!!:))
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#17 Jul 22, 2009
Still Suffering. Can you educate yourself on how to remove the racoons from under your deck? Do not feel sorry for them. Just trap them and remove them until they are all gone. They carry mites, just as squirrels, birds, fox, cats, dogs, cattle, humans.
the permethrin 45% is very strong. You should dilute down to 10% or less. The Elimite that the docs prescribe is 5% permethrin, plus a PBO. 45% is toxic. So, you are using Hot Shot. And not the lemon scented Raid that R recommended on the birdmite yahoo group? I don't think I tried Hot Shot in my car yet. But I have tried..........
..........
and ..........
smiling.
and that, too.
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#18 Jul 22, 2009
still suffering wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for the info. I have a lot of carpet. Im dusting with SEVIN insect powder and I got the good nights mite and bedbug spray. Im washing in borax and take several showers a day. I have a 08 with leather seats-its bad in my car. I've bombed several times. I hate to get rid of it-only had it a year.... If I have to I will leave this house and everything in it to escape!!!! Im desperate and sleep-deprived!!!! Thanks again. I hope we all get cured soon!!!!:))
one lady on here named fed up, she lived in a cabin in the woods. they finally moved to a regular house in the suburbs and finally she was able to leave this forum, but then lots of people move and bring the mites with them. do you think if you sold your car, that you would not take the mites with you to the next car? my car looks sporty from the outside, but the inside is "all mited out." lol
i'm not kidding. lol...
you have a lot of carpet? you can't keep that carpet.
itchygirl

Youngstown, OH

#19 Jul 23, 2009
Try the hot shot. I had bombed my car with bug bombs 4x, and saturated it with home defense. It only knocked them out for three or four days (if that) each time. I also used alcohol and windex on it regularly with very little luck. I sprayed the car thoroughly with the hot shot a couple of times, and I have had no more problems. I have a big SUV, so there are lots of places for them to hide. I still spray my driver's area every few days so I don't bring them back. The reason I ordered the Cyonara from DYOPC is that it has the same ingredient as the Hot Shot. A lady on the forum is having luck with Cyonara in her house as well.

I used the freedom 45 full strength on my head, but in VERY small amounts. It has a pointy tip. I put the tip right up against the itchy, crusty spots on my head and dabbed a tiny amount on the spot then rubbed it in. It was the only way I was able to get them out of my thick hair.

I am seeing some progress in my fight, but my animals are my weak link. My sister and I are both having problems getting them off of our cats. I can keep them off of my dogs with Hartz flea and tick (walmart) combined with Sentinel, but all of the products for cats don't seem to be strong enough. I have some different stuff on order, if it works I'll post. I agree with Joe regarding the raccoons. If you have a mite problem, they have mites as well. If you don't want to trap them, maybe you can find a way to exclude and repel them when they are out at night.

I am really hoping to beat this without removing my carpet. We just bought this house and can't afford to replace the carpet at this point. I have been told by several people on the birdmites forum that it can't be done, but I am not ready to give up yet.

BTW, have you guys noticed that certain states/ areas of the country come up consistently in these posts??? I had told my husband a few years back that I never wanted to move back to El Paso, but I am reconsidering at this point. It is soooooo dry and hot there. We had sparrows in our eaves for the entire six years that we lived there and I never had a problem. I'm beginning to think back on my time there fondly.
buggie

United States

#20 Jul 23, 2009
Thanks for bumping this thread. Itchygirl, I'm wondering about areas of the country also. I was in paso robles california for a few days taking iver 25 days straight and using sulfer cream and I never felt buggie. Now I'm in seattle sitting in my new car no carpets mostly vinyl and I have tiny bugs crawling all over me. Its been hot and sunny all week too.

I'm 11 months into this and now its morphed into this.

I finally noticed that I actually do have burrows...fine tiny flesh colored lines and zig zags. I thought they were kitty scratch scars from when I was a kid. I have to look closely to see them.

Recently I noticed vibrations on top of my head which is a mites laying eggs or eggs hatching. I will start iver again tonight. I need to spray my new car with something also.

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