Fasting for Scabies
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Researcher

Miami, FL

#1 Mar 14, 2012
Has anyone tried a two, three, or even five-day water fast for scabies? If indeed scabies live on lymph fluid, then they are thriving from some sort of nutrient. I have read about fasting but have not tried it; some authors recommend doing so under the supervision of a doctor. I have also read about using everclear (ethanol) as a topical instead of isopropyl alcohol, since the latter is highly toxic.
FRED

Denver, CO

#2 Mar 14, 2012
Researcher wrote:
Has anyone tried a two, three, or even five-day water fast for scabies? If indeed scabies live on lymph fluid, then they are thriving from some sort of nutrient. I have read about fasting but have not tried it; some authors recommend doing so under the supervision of a doctor. I have also read about using everclear (ethanol) as a topical instead of isopropyl alcohol, since the latter is highly toxic.
That's an interesting approach but I couldn't find anything on the net about a fasting cure. What comes to mind is a web page that the Denver board of health put out that says if you see a corpse of an animal that is suspected of mange stay away as it is still contageous. poor little creatures were probably pretty hungry before they died.
itcher

Cannington, Australia

#3 Mar 14, 2012
Researcher wrote:
Has anyone tried a two, three, or even five-day water fast for scabies? If indeed scabies live on lymph fluid, then they are thriving from some sort of nutrient. I have read about fasting but have not tried it; some authors recommend doing so under the supervision of a doctor. I have also read about using everclear (ethanol) as a topical instead of isopropyl alcohol, since the latter is highly toxic.
my naturopath i saw said off sugar for 2 weeks,and i have seen it mentioned a few times on this forum!
FRED

Denver, CO

#4 Mar 14, 2012
If you're going to go that route! Then you have to understand! That fruit and carbohydrates convert to sugar! So for that to be effective you can't eat bread or any fruit! I think limes are ok!
RRRRRR

Round Rock, TX

#5 Mar 14, 2012
I tried that.. I think after 2 years of having scabies, I became a bit anorexic and that didn't help my skin condition. actually made it worse because i have a problem with dry skin (something with my old gland. when your body is creating enough sebum, you get itchy anyway.
eating sugary foods makes me itchy, so i think a low-carb, high-fat diet would help. But the problem is that some people can't just SWITCH to a low-carb, high-fat diet, after years of eating a lot of fiber (carbs), they depend on carbs for energy and excretion (to poop). nothing you eat will cure scabies, but if you eat healthy, you are less likely to suffer from complications from medicine/ all the chemicals (i suppose?)
FRED

Denver, CO

#6 Mar 14, 2012
RRRRRR wrote:
I tried that.. I think after 2 years of having scabies, I became a bit anorexic and that didn't help my skin condition. actually made it worse because i have a problem with dry skin (something with my old gland. when your body is creating enough sebum, you get itchy anyway.
eating sugary foods makes me itchy, so i think a low-carb, high-fat diet would help. But the problem is that some people can't just SWITCH to a low-carb, high-fat diet, after years of eating a lot of fiber (carbs), they depend on carbs for energy and excretion (to poop). nothing you eat will cure scabies, but if you eat healthy, you are less likely to suffer from complications from medicine/ all the chemicals (i suppose?)
It didn't do anything for me either. I did this candida diet for a month, that sucks in itself,although I did find a tasty spelt focacia bread.
Researcher

Miami, FL

#7 Mar 15, 2012
There isn't any data on a fasting cure; it's just an idea I have based on the fact that scabies definitely respond in activity to diet. They are more active when sugar is consumed, and therefore this would lead one to believe that diet might be one of the key factors in conquering scabies.

I am beginning to wonder if perhaps all of the people who are susceptible to this condition have an issue with the gastrointestinal tract. Perhaps we don't have enough sulfur occurring naturally in our skin due to diet (perhaps secondary to GI malabsorption), or perhaps we have too much sugar in our diets (including carbohydrates from wheat products), or perhaps it's an issue with dairy.

There is a reason why this condition is not more widespread--some people are more prone to it than others. The question is why? Are scabies a canary in the coal mine alerting us to other issues that need to be addressed in our bodies?

When you said you became "a bit anorexic," did you try fasting for five days with only water... literally nothing but water in your system? Fred, when you said "it didn't do anything for me either," what are you referring to?

RRRR: Why can't some people temporarily change their diet? I'm not suggesting a high fat diet; I'm suggesting altering one's diet temporarily to see if symptoms improve.

Perhaps the key is to starve the mite of nutrients via dietary changes. I think experimenting with an elimination diet might be the key here. Eliminate all known possibilities for 14 days to one month--stay on the safest diet known, perhaps a paleolithic diet. No nuts, no gluten (which by the way is everywhere, including soy sauce and salad dressing), no sugar even from fruits, no carbs, no lactose. Nothing prepackaged, nothing fast food...only eat vegetables and meats and rice, but stay away from veggies with high sugar like carrots.

Basically, eat the most simplistic diet you can find, with the hopes it will starve the scabies of the nutrients they seem to be finding in only certain people. It would seem to be a better alternative than an eight day water fast, but if it comes down to it I would think that might be beneficial, if done under medical supervision.

There are many purported positive effects from fasting, going back hundreds, if not thousands of years. I have never tried it myself, but would proceed with caution (and guidance) if you plan to do so. I would not recommend this for anyone with a pre-existing health condition without first consulting a doctor knowledgeable in fasting.
Researcher

Miami, FL

#8 Mar 15, 2012
By the way, has anyone read this book? The author suggests that much of the world's health problems are due to fungal overgrowth:

The Fungus Link: An Introduction to Fungal Disease, Including the Initial Phase Diet
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0970341806/r...

I don't know if this applies to scabies, but it couldn't hurt to experiment with another diet. I am thinking of getting it based off of the reviews alone.
FRED

Denver, CO

#9 Mar 15, 2012
Researcher wrote:
By the way, has anyone read this book? The author suggests that much of the world's health problems are due to fungal overgrowth:
The Fungus Link: An Introduction to Fungal Disease, Including the Initial Phase Diet
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0970341806/r...
I don't know if this applies to scabies, but it couldn't hurt to experiment with another diet. I am thinking of getting it based off of the reviews alone.
That's an interesting concept,when I was doing the candida diet some of the guiding info I using was saying not to eat any leftovers because they get moldy real quick even if refrigerated.

One thing I have been doing because I had a UTI from the mites being adventurous, somewhat disconcerting,is taking Bactrim DS every 12 hours and I saw in the below link that it its used for "Chronic Skin Disease caused by a Fungus" under "Bactrim DS Oral may also be used to treat:", anyway taking that for three weeks along with 9000mg of garlic oil caps and 2000mg of cranberry concentrate daily has completely taken away any sensations of biting in my special friend.

http://www.webmd.com/drugs/drug-5530-Bactrim+...

Maybe the bactrim will fight against the body fungus?

I found a way around the prescription requirement too.
Researcher

Miami, FL

#11 Mar 15, 2012
Well that is a good point about leftovers; I hadn't considered that. I think UTIs again seem to indicate an imbalance in the body.

I'm not saying that scabies are caused by fungus--I have no idea why they are drawn to certain people. But if you are having issues with fungus and candida, that seems to point to what this book is talking about. In which case, bactrim might fight the fungus temporarily, but your diet will reinvite the infection. You will be putting out the smoke, but not the flame. Whether or not this theory of fungus applies to scabies is another story, but it is certainly worth looking into. You might want to look into a paleolithic diet, which is something one of the comments mentioned.

I also think that everclear (190 proof alcohol) is worth investigating as a topical solution; they would likely be overwhelmed when everclear is introduced. Imagine if you would survive a torrent of everclear being poured down your throat! One of the posters suggested using 70% alcohol to 30% water.

Even with a topical cure, I think everyone here needs to examine why they were prone to scabies in the first place.
Researcher

Miami, FL

#12 Mar 15, 2012
By the way, here is the post I found on everclear. I'm surprised I can't find more posts of people who have tried this:

"If you wanna try a new treatment, try this: Go buy a pint of Everclear grain alcohol aka ethyl alchohol aka ethanol at your local liquor store. Dilute the Everclear with filtered or bottled water so that the solution is 70% ethanol, 30% water. Ethanol is a powerful microbicide and disinfectant. Unlike rubbing alcohol, it is non-toxic to the skin and safe for repeated use, also it is much, much more powerful as a disinfectant than rubbing alcohol (isopropyl alcohol). Ethanol will oxidize any microbes and kill scabies and lay their burrows/moulting pouches to waste! Okay, moisten a cotton ball with the 70% Everclear/30% water solution and just very lightly swab one of your rashy/infested areas and see what happens. DO NOT APPLY EVERCLEAR IF YOU HAVE OPEN SKIN WOUNDS OR A REALLY BAD OR BLOODY RASH! In my experience, grain alcohol lays scabies to waste in minutes and the next day the rash will clear up. It is by far the closest thing to the “magic bullet” for scabies of all the many things I tried. This can sting real bad and be quite painful, then the pain goes away and you feel a real intense warming, hot sensation, then lastly you notice that you feel a lot better. If you can tolerate this and it does not worsen your rashes,(it shouldn't), apply more of the Everclear and apply every few hours.

In my experience, once the scabies and burrows were "dead", then the rashes changed as they dried up and went away. During this stage, you do not wanna apply the Everclear/water mixture at all, because your skin and the rashes are much too sensitive. If you try this, please post your experiences here and I can try to advise you as best I can. In my experience, the Everclear/water treatment was great to rotate with Tea Tree Oil applications. I found I could only apply Tea Tree Oil so much and then go off it for a few days, because it would really thicken and stiffen my skin, and then later the topmost layer of skin would fall off. BTW, TTO does not cause any permanent skin damage. You will grow a new skin layer and be okay again, I did that many times. I also believe that if you apply a strong concentration of TTO (>30%) regularly, it thickens and saturates the topmost skin layer enough that the mites really have a hard time burrowing and infesting."
FRED

Denver, CO

#13 Mar 15, 2012
Researcher wrote:
Well that is a good point about leftovers; I hadn't considered that. I think UTIs again seem to indicate an imbalance in the body.
I'm not saying that scabies are caused by fungus--I have no idea why they are drawn to certain people. But if you are having issues with fungus and candida, that seems to point to what this book is talking about. In which case, bactrim might fight the fungus temporarily, but your diet will reinvite the infection. You will be putting out the smoke, but not the flame. Whether or not this theory of fungus applies to scabies is another story, but it is certainly worth looking into. You might want to look into a paleolithic diet, which is something one of the comments mentioned.
I also think that everclear (190 proof alcohol) is worth investigating as a topical solution; they would likely be overwhelmed when everclear is introduced. Imagine if you would survive a torrent of everclear being poured down your throat! One of the posters suggested using 70% alcohol to 30% water.
Even with a topical cure, I think everyone here needs to examine why they were prone to scabies in the first place.
I always tried to shy away from antibiotics but this UTI's symptoms were that of little teeth chewing on flesh and internal movement so I didn't have much choice since the sulfur pills and wormwood weren't doing anything. I had done a course of Albendazole for a month and that helped somewhat but it wasn't completely gone until I did the bactrim.

I have read the text you reposted on everclear and used it some on some lesions i had , i would hold it on the spot in a cotton ball for about 5 min then I would put the topical on, I'm not sure what effect it had. It evaporates pretty quick so probably is a good way to help delivery of the topical.

I completely agree on the diet,and I'm doing a pretty good course there,no fruit except limes,low carbs. One weird thing though is I've always been pretty healthy, I thought, but when I lived on the Jersey shore the mosquitoes would seek me out like I was their favorite flavor, when there were other people there I was like the sacrificial cow. I never understood why but maybe it was my diet all along.
Researcher

Miami, FL

#14 Mar 15, 2012
Mosquitos respond to people who have chronic stress, so perhaps it's a good sign that mosquitoes like you:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297...

Keep us posted on how the everclear works. Is it 190 proof? Are you diluting it with water?
Researcher

Miami, FL

#15 Mar 15, 2012
Also, I think we need to redefine the notion of "healthy." If you are mildly allergic to an otherwise healthy food, and yet you live a completely healthy lifestyle with a well balanced organic diet, that could throw a wrench into the concept of health, as you might have constant inflammation in your gut as a result. In addition, apparently there are some foods that can promote fungus formation in the gut, so I am going to investigate this topic to see if there are merits to this school of thought.
FRED

Denver, CO

#16 Mar 15, 2012
Researcher wrote:
Also, I think we need to redefine the notion of "healthy." If you are mildly allergic to an otherwise healthy food, and yet you live a completely healthy lifestyle with a well balanced organic diet, that could throw a wrench into the concept of health, as you might have constant inflammation in your gut as a result. In addition, apparently there are some foods that can promote fungus formation in the gut, so I am going to investigate this topic to see if there are merits to this school of thought.
I'm not currently doing the everclear, it didn't close the deal, that was on a few months back. I'm currently doing 3600mc/kg of Ivermectin daily topically with no ill effects. Yes you read that right. It is finally kicking ass on these things after 8 months of hell.

Bingo on the food alergies, I was diagnosed by a pulmonologist with a breathing disorder and he suggested a steroid inhaler, not for me though. Many years after that I found out it was a dairy alergy. I cut out the dairy and now i breath perfectly.

I just went out and bought some cold pressed virgin coconut oil, which isn't a oil at all it's more like lard goo but tastes o.k.
1 Tbspn at each meal is supposed to rid the body of candida/fungus over time and make you bink thetter.

Researcher, Thanks for starting this thread, It's a good topic to explore..........
Researcher

Miami, FL

#17 Mar 15, 2012
I just think this whole scabies phenomenon is interesting, and seems to indicate something bigger than just scabies, yet most people aren't looking into it. If you have an issue with dairy, then perhaps you have secondary allergies you are unaware of, or perhaps your GI system does not work in an optimal fashion, and you are not absorbing nutrients essential for health, possibly due to chronic low-grade infection.

Do you still have problems with digestion? Do you have any skin problems? Stretch marks? Thinning skin? Nutrients such as sulphur are essential in order for the skin to be healthy. It might not be a coincidence that many of the remedies on this forum involve sulfur in some way shape or form--perhaps there is not enough being absorbed into your system.

What is surprising is how oblivious traditional allopathics are to the effects of diet on health. Dermatologists should be nutritionists first, then "dermatologists" second--actually the same goes for all MDs.
Researcher

Miami, FL

#18 Mar 15, 2012
I forgot to ask you: How long did you stay with the everclear treatment? Did you dilute with 30% water or apply it straight? Perhaps if it evaporates too quickly, then it might be necessary to mix it into a solution to minimize evaporation. Perhaps a nice long island iced tea? ;)

With regard to Ivermectin, are you familiar with its toxicity levels? I am unaware of the levels in humans, but have seen the typical dosage at 200 mcg/kg, so I would be concerned of toxicity at such a high level.

Are you having a doctor monitor your blood levels while you undergoing this treatment?

I have not familiarized myself with the literature on Ivermectin, but I found this study on topical benzyl benzoate (12.5% 2x/day) vs Ivermectin interesting:

http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/87/6/08-0...
FRED

Denver, CO

#19 Mar 15, 2012
Researcher wrote:
I forgot to ask you: How long did you stay with the everclear treatment? Did you dilute with 30% water or apply it straight? Perhaps if it evaporates too quickly, then it might be necessary to mix it into a solution to minimize evaporation. Perhaps a nice long island iced tea? ;)
With regard to Ivermectin, are you familiar with its toxicity levels? I am unaware of the levels in humans, but have seen the typical dosage at 200 mcg/kg, so I would be concerned of toxicity at such a high level.
Are you having a doctor monitor your blood levels while you undergoing this treatment?
I have not familiarized myself with the literature on Ivermectin, but I found this study on topical benzyl benzoate (12.5% 2x/day) vs Ivermectin interesting:
http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/87/6/08-0...
I did probably everything you can think of twice,one of which was 29% benzyl bezoate for a month combined with 3x doses of ivermectin orally every 4 days.
I normally research the heck outa everything but there is no science on what i'm doing now.
The pour on topical ivermectin doesn't seem to get in your blood. When I first started using it I was using at 200mc/kg but they develop resistance quickly, i have done 800mc/kg orally. A few people on here have been cured using it topically,when you swallow it a very small percent ends up in your skin,when you put it on your skin however. There are different kinds of mites, myself and some other people on here are infested with truly zoonotic canine mites, sarcoptic scabiei canis, they are much harder to get rid of than the human variety. It's a full time job just maintain your skin with these.

http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/39/1/e8...
Researcher

Miami, FL

#20 Mar 15, 2012
So sorry to hear about your problems--I hope this final round of ivermectin solves it for you! Have you tried precipitated sulfur powder (not flowers/sublimed) mixed with vaseline at 30% and leave on body for 24 hours for several days?
FRED

Denver, CO

#21 Mar 16, 2012
Humco sublimed sulfur(2oz) mixed with 4oz of dabur mustard oil for a month head to toe, no cigar.When you do the sulfur thing seriously you look like you should be in a science fiction movie with all that goo on your head.

These things get in your eyes too,if you have scabies and your eyes itch and your eyelids are swollen then it's time to start rubbing poison on your eyes.

I even tried the sulfur dip they make for dogs mixed with pine sol, that made some kind of chemical weapon and I had to wash it off in a hurry.

I was eating 30 cloves of raw chopped garlic a day for 3 weeks too, not easy to choke down. You wanna have some fun? coat your body in cayenne infused almond oil.

There are a lot of people on this site that have changed jobs when they contracted this they became full time researchers, I for one.

Not all mites are the same and if you've had them for a while they internalize in spots you could never reach with any topical.

The great thing about Ivermectin is it is systemic and is one of the few that kills em good, so when it quits working, trying to find an alternative is a challenge, I took a bunch of Albendazole also.

They use this in South Africa, it's the soap I use. The monosulfuram in it converts to disulfuram in the light. Disulfuram
mixed into benzyl benzoate is a product used in Sweden called tenutex.

http://www.dermalcarestore.com/index.php/meta...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disulfiram

I'd love to get a hold of some tenutex or at least some disulfuram to make some but I haven't figured out how to get disulfuram (antibuse) without a script,yet.

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