Cure Scabies with Food Grade Diatomac...
Vann from Tennessee

Jackson, TN

#43 Jan 17, 2010
I want to make a special request to everyone on this board who are cured by this Miraculous Diatomacious Earth Scabies Cure.... Please help to promote this to everyone else. I won't be here for much longer.

When I first arrived at this excellent discussion group, I read one message thread after another that was so depressing that it made me feel SICK! I had finished reading all 12 message screens, taking extensive notes along the way. I could simply not believe the HORROR stories that I was reading !!!!!

Scabies was ruining peoples lives. They were suffering beyond anyone's wildest imagination. This seemed to be like an invasion from outer space!
* Suffering for YEARS !!
* Throwing out furniture, clothing
* Moving to flee scabies
* Losing their jobs
* Losing their houses
* Losing their Spouses, ending in divorce
* Losing girlfriends
* Infecting entire families, spreading to friends
* Doctors calling them Psychotic
* Doctors refusing to come near patients
* Doctors prescribing poisonous drugs without even a proper exam.

The more threads I read the bigger this horror became.

It could NOT POSSIBLY BE THIS HARD to get rid of lowly microscopic Mites, I said to the wife. Nearly every thread had a "cure." The soaks in a bathtub, the creams, the powders, the drugs. Yet the suffering continued. I was suffering myself with terrible nightly itching and welts breaking out all over my arms, torso & legs. I decided not to start any treatments until I had a rock solid plan. I was NOT going to spend YEARS fighting this monster!

So you see, I have a goal:
a cure for EVERYONE on this board to end their NIGHTMARE. NO ONE should suffer this damned little Mite like people here have reported suffering. So now we have a simple cure that will kill ALL forms of mites, lice, bedbugs & other biting menaces if the very simple directions are followed.

Best of luck to all, and let us work together to END this nightmare once & for all in spite of witch doctors, doctors, Derms & drug cartels. Don't let anyone stop us from spreading the word on this cure.

Vann
walnut creek guy

Lafayette, CA

#44 Jan 17, 2010
Hi,
They say up to 300 million people a year suffer from Scabies. Let's say 0.1% have access to the Internet, then there must be 30,000 people discussing their illness. I don't see much people talking about it and I see only a few going through the suffering. Does it mean the rest just ignore this as a general skin rash/allergy or something? If it is the most common skin disease, why there is no modern research on this and why we still use chemicals like Permethrin? Not sure if Permethrin kills them during the first application and every one still suffers from the skin's allergic reaction to dead mites/eggs and the oinment.

I don't see any major modern studies on Scabies to eradicate this crap.

All the forums, materials available on the Internet just confuse me.

Only a few guys like Vann from Tennessee has done some extensive research on this subject, trying different ways to get rid of this illness.

Thanks,
Walnut Creek Guy
PaulS

Medford, MA

#45 Jan 17, 2010
Vann from Tennessee wrote:
<quoted text>
PaulS,
It doesn't matter what kind of mite or lice you have. DE kills them ALL. I bought several 1 quart spray bottles from Walmart.
* One is for plain alcohol to spray my keyboard & monitor.
* One for a 75% Windex + 25% DE mix.
* One for a 75% Grapeseed Oil,+ 25% DE mix
* Saltshaker to sprinkle DE into pie pans & bedding
I use a funnel & a cup full of DE to add enough to fill about 1/4 of each spray bottle, then add the liquid and shake it up well before using.
Ask all of your questions before I leave. Also I ask that you and others to PLEASE promote this amazing cure to others. The "Witch Doctors" on this board just HATE a cure that is so simple, easy and cheap as this one is. Doctors, the Drug Cartel and Scabie Cure web businesses will also attempt to denigrate this cure because they risk losing a LOT of money, and cannot patent it.
Best of luck to you and keep us informed,
Vann
THANKS VANN! I am ordering the DE Food Grade and Grapeseed Oil off of Amazon. I honestly cannot think of anymore questions because you have covered the bases. If you have any other words of wisdom though they are welcome....I will post the progress once I begin the process.
Vann from Tennessee

Jackson, TN

#46 Jan 20, 2010
MikDee said, "Hey Vann, I had bought this Boothes body oil, quite awhile ago, on a recommendation. I only used it once, it appears to be a good choice, do ya think I can use this with the DE? If so how much do you mix of each? thanks."
Here's the link:
http://www.riteaidonlinestore.com/products/pr...

Mike,
Your Boothes Body Oil sounds exactly like my Grapeseed Oil in benefits to the skin.
"...blended with lightweight sunflower and sesame seed oils, you can enjoy it as both. In warm bathwater, it soaks into thirsty pores. Massaged into dry skin, it quickly vanishes to leave a gorgeous, all-over glow...."

So YES ! Please do mix it with DE and apply to yourself. I mix 25% into the body oil in a 1 qt spray bottle.{maybe more is better, but would be hard to spray} I really don't think it makes any difference which body oil you use as a carrier. You can use olive oil, almond oil, etc as a carrier for DE. The wonderful thing about all of these natural oils is they nourish the skin just when it needs nourishment the most, when it is under attack by biting mites.

The folks over at the Morgellons Discussion Group are putting DE into their bathtub, and they are mixing DE into a paste to apply to bad skin areas. I'm trying to get the details from them on how they use DE in the bathtub.

IMO, ANY idea that forces the little monsters to crawl through DE is a great idea. The object of this thread is to reliably force them to crawl through DE. They will then die no iffs ands or buts. It is proven that DE kills lice & mites 100% NO EXCEPTIONS.

Vann
Sarah

Lafayette, LA

#47 Jan 20, 2010
Thanks Patty for the post about the DE. I didn't think it was the right stuff becuase it seemed like it would be a huge mess to put in the carpets because it was so dark. I'm glad I didn't use it yet. I'm going to find the 100% stuff and try it. I went back to the doc today because I had some biopsies done last week on a few spots I had. Turns out I have had a severe under the skin allergic reaction to being bit by scabies. My face broke out in a horrible rash. So since it has been confirmed that it is still scabies I'm going to get more DE and get out of my apartment for a while. My boyfriend has yet to get them and that keeps me paranoid. I don't want to get them back from him but I guess you guys are saying that your families weren't getting them either. It's weird. HOpefully I'm on the road to recovery since I've finally got a good wrap around what's actually wrong with me. It's been an emotional rollercoaster of a nightmare so I appreciate all the help!
Vann from Tennessee

Jackson, TN

#48 Jan 20, 2010
Sarah,
We are praying for you, and I am here for you until you are definitely cured. I suggest applying Grapeseed oil all over your skin asap even if you don't have the 100% pure DE as yet. It is WONDERFULLY nourishing to the skin, leaving it soft and silky smooth. Your sensitive skin needs all the help it can get in view of your Mite invasion. Do a google search for "Grapeseed Oil Benefits" to appreciate what a miracle product this is. My wife covers herself in grapeseed oil after every shower, it cures her dry skin problems. It has cured my fugly feet & toenails. I also suspect that it smothers them to death, which I have not proven.

Vann
Pokadot Patty

United States

#49 Jan 20, 2010
Hi Sarah,
Glad I caught you before you spread it everywhere!
The two largest brands of food grade DE are Wolf Creek Ranch and Perma-Guard. They both have website and they might be able to tell you who sells it in your area. Then there is always ebay. It has to be white or a very pale cream color (some call it fossil flour).You didn't mention how long you have had the bug or if the Doctor had perscribed meds. Leaving for a while is a good idea if you have some perm to treat with as soon as you get there.

I do not know if the critters prefer women and children or we are just more likly to develope an allergic response to them.My husband says they never bit him. Now I'm getting bit by bird mites and he doesn't feel them either!

Your in my prayers,
Patty
Vann from Tennessee

Jackson, TN

#50 Jan 20, 2010
Thanks Patty for the tips.

Summary of this cure for Mites, Lice, bedbugs or whatever you may have. Our goal is to erect barriers that the little monsters MUST crawl through to eat their favorite food [us]. We don't need to find THEM, they must find us or starve, and that is their weakness! That is how WE WIN!

First barrier is the pie pan or cookie tin with a thick layer of DE under all furniture legs & bed legs. They have NO CHOICE but crawl through this deadly barrier tp or from furnishings.( move furnishings away from the wall and other furniture so they can't bypass the pans of DE ). Sprinkling the carpet is not good enough, as DE falls through and the mites crawl over carpet fibers.

Next is the essential barrier of zippered bags over your mattress, box spring & pillows. Sprinkle DE liberally over the box spring and the mattress cover. Then the final barrier of a light sprinkling of DE in your bed sheets. a light sprinkling is required so we don't make dust as we move around under the sheets. I suffer from Asthma, so must be very careful to not breath in DE dust. If you notice a problem here, wear a dust mask.

The next barrier is the film of DE & Windex sprayed over all furniture and car upholstery.

And then the FINAL barrier which is the film of DE all over our skin from the mix of Grapeseed Oil + DE. This kills the little monsters as they crawl out of their nesting burrows or out of their molting pouches.

Miss any of these barriers and the little monsters will WIN. We have not done any insane laundry schedules, we have not tossed out any clothing. We have not sealed laundry in any bags. No microwaves, no boiling water. We have used Arm & Hammer detergent + Borax in our washing machine. Nothing else special. Nothing special in showers except for low sulfer soap & low sulfer shampoo.

Bottom line = MAKE DE DO ALL THE HARD WORK

Vann
MikDee

Milford, PA

#51 Jan 20, 2010
Pokadot Patty wrote:
Hi Sarah,
Glad I caught you before you spread it everywhere!
The two largest brands of food grade DE are Wolf Creek Ranch and Perma-Guard. They both have website and they might be able to tell you who sells it in your area. Then there is always ebay. It has to be white or a very pale cream color (some call it fossil flour).You didn't mention how long you have had the bug or if the Doctor had perscribed meds. Leaving for a while is a good idea if you have some perm to treat with as soon as you get there.
I do not know if the critters prefer women and children or we are just more likly to develope an allergic response to them.My husband says they never bit him. Now I'm getting bit by bird mites and he doesn't feel them either!
Your in my prayers,
Patty
I got my DE food grade off E-bay, it turned out to be from wolf creek ranch, something like $25 for 6lbs, but it took over a week to get it. I must be part feminine then because they won't leave me alone, but I sure don't look like it,,,lol, Even though my friend Joe lives with them he's never been bothered by them. Maybe because I'm diabetic so they think I'm sweet? How the hell am I ever supposed to date with this crap? being an old recently divorced guy? I wish the ladies liked me as much as these bugs!,,,lol
Vann from Tennessee

Jackson, TN

#52 Jan 21, 2010
WEEKLY REPORT:
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Last week I reported the big improvement in my skin, and I had scaled back using the DE+Grapeseed oil mix to just in the morning. Now for the past week I have been applying the Grapeseed Oil + DE mix only to suspected areas in the morning. Continued progress with no more itching and no more bites.

For the next week, I will scale back sprinkling DE into my bedsheets to just once per week, right after changing sheets. I will also go back to my normal soap and shampoo in my showers. However I will continue rubbing Sulfur8 Medicated cream into any bad spots after my showers.

Wheee! Happy days are here again!

MikDee,
Hee Hee, Fear not, just tell the ladies that you are:
..... Drum Roll ......
An Oldy but a Goody!

Vann
MikDee

Milford, PA

#53 Jan 21, 2010
Vann from Tennessee wrote:
WEEKLY REPORT:
==========
MikDee,
Hee Hee, Fear not, just tell the ladies that you are:
..... Drum Roll ......
An Oldy but a Goody!
Vann
Hey Vann, You think?,,,But, with a young attitude! Take a look, I hope you enjoy this:

&fe ature=channel

Calling all single ladies :) lol
Vann from Tennessee

Jackson, TN

#54 Jan 21, 2010
MikDee wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Vann, You think?,,,But, with a young attitude! Take a look, I hope you enjoy this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =E9G40RMXbbkXX&feature=cha nnel
Calling all single ladies :) lol
MikDee,
Amazing. That is you singing in that video? Hmmm. You are one handsome DUDE Lady Killer! Now for certain you can claim to be THE Oldy but Goody !

Vann
Vann from Tennessee

Jackson, TN

#55 Jan 22, 2010
Part 1
It is vital to examine all DE reports for a cure to this horrific Scabies problem. Many thanks to ItchyGirl for sharing her findings with us. And I do hope she is not offended by a honest discussion.
People always seem to go off the deep end with any cure. If 2% sulfur works, then 25% sulfur must be BETTER! WRONG - Dermatitis
If 1/2 scoop of Arm & Hammer detergent is good, then 4 cups must be BETTER! WRONG - Dermatitus
If a little DE kills mites, then spread it ALL OVER LIKE SNOW must be BETTER! WRONG - If inhaled it can cause breathing problems, and it must be focused to where it will do the most good.
I asked ItchyGirl if she had tried using DE. Here are her comments and my rebuttal..

End part 1
Vann from Tennessee

Jackson, TN

#56 Jan 22, 2010
Part 2
ItchyGirl said, "Different things work for different people."
** DE is universal - it will kill ALL mites, lice, bedbugs and more if properly used.
.
"I have no idea why. "
** I have an idea... it was improperly used.
.
"Some posters have been cured with sulfur."
** I agree and that is why LOW SULFUR treatments are included in my procedures. I use 2% sulfur products to avoid DERMATITIS. Especially good is the Sulfur8 Medicated Cream (really 2% sulfur.)
.
" For some, arm and hammer laundry detergent was the key. "
**I tried this one to no avail. However people are going to extremes again, using too much in the bath... DERMATITIS.
.
"Others have had luck with cedarcide in their environment."
** I totally agree that Cedarcide is effective (as in fantastic) and I would have cured myself with it. It is Non Toxic and kills 'em dead. Unfortunately it is STINKO STINKO STINKO -
.
"I think you are the second one in the past year that has had luck with DE."
** It was not luck at all. It was the fool proof procedures that are 100% effective. It is not how much DE you use, it is HOW you use it.
.
"Many more have tried it.[and failed]"
** It must be used properly. The little monsters are smart, not easily fooled.
.
"I tried DE 6 or 8 months ago. My house looked like a snowstorm hit it."
** Here we have the typical EXCESS that people naturally get into. NEVER spread DE all over the house. It is far more effective to put a thick layer of DE into Pie Pans under your furniture & bed legs than to use it willy nilly all over the house.
.
"I burned up some electronics,"
** See the above. A "Snowstorm of DE" will get into everything, like using an atomic bomb to kill a fly.
.
"and I wound up with a chronic hacking cough after using it on my skin and in my bed,"
** Spread like snow all over the house like snow was asking for trouble.
.
"though I tried very hard to keep it away from my face and not to breathe it."
** It was all over the house, "Like A Snowstorm." The point of no return was already FAR EXCEEDED. Remember my warnings in prior posts, "More is not better."
.
"I have used it with and without lotion,"
** The lotion is essential. It may not matter which Natural Oil is used as a carrier for DE, I used Grapeseed Oil because we had plenty on site. I'm sure we could easily substitute Olive, Coconut, or Almond Oils, etc. This is a critical point. How much DE did she mix into her lotion? I used a mix of 1/4 DE to 3/4 oil. Also how often did she apply it. I applied mine morning and night. Dusting ourselves is a NO NO. It creates a dust hazard for breathing, and it won't stay on the skin. DE must be applied to the skin mixed into a body oil to create a thin film that will stay put.
.
"and my DE is food grade. "
** It should also be 100% DE and not mixed with anything else.
.
"The cough ceased after I quit the DE."
** The web sites do say that DE is non toxic and even if inhaled does not cause permanent damage. Nevertheless I do insist on using DE sparingly and focused to where it will do the most good. As I have said in the procedure, AVOID breathing it and use a dusk mask if needed.
.
"I do still occasionally use it on my cats, but that's it."
** It does kill fleas, ticks and other pests on animals. Wear a dust mask to avoid any dust.
.
"It's too dangerous for my lungs."
** Absolutely true, Must be used sparingly and focused into the right places.
.
"It did knock them back some, but in the 6 or 8 weeks I used it it did not clear them, and in fact doesn't work nearly as well for me as my current regimen."
** I have proven that if used properly, DE provides a cure in less than 1 month.
.
.
ItchyGirl, I have only one question, re: your lotion+DE mix. What % of DE did you mix into your lotion, and what kind of lotion did you use?
Again, many thanks for your input. It will help us fine tune the "DE Cure."

Vann
Vann from Tennessee

Jackson, TN

#57 Jan 22, 2010
Part 2
ItchyGirl said, "Different things work for different people."
** DE is universal - it will kill ALL mites, lice, bedbugs and more if properly used.
>
"I have no idea why. "
** I have an idea... it was improperly used.
>
"Some posters have been cured with sulfur."
** I agree and that is why LOW SULFUR treatments are included in my procedures. I use 2% sulfur products to avoid DERMATITIS. Especially good is the Sulfur8 Medicated Cream (really 2% sulfur.)
>
" For some, arm and hammer laundry detergent was the key. "
**I tried this one to no avail. However people are going to extremes again, using too much in the bath... DERMATITIS.
>
"Others have had luck with cedarcide in their environment."
** I totally agree that Cedarcide is effective (as in fantastic) and I would have cured myself with it. It is Non Toxic and kills 'em dead. Unfortunately it is STINKO STINKO STINKO -
>
"I think you are the second one in the past year that has had luck with DE."
** It was not luck at all. It was the fool proof procedures that are 100% effective. It is not how much DE you use, it is HOW you use it.
>
"Many more have tried it.[and failed]"
** It must be used properly. The little monsters are smart, not easily fooled.
>
"I tried DE 6 or 8 months ago. My house looked like a snowstorm hit it."
** Here we have the typical EXCESS that people naturally get into. NEVER spread DE all over the house. It is far more effective to put a thick layer of DE into Pie Pans under your furniture & bed legs than to use it willy nilly all over the house.
>
"I burned up some electronics,"
** See the above. A "Snowstorm of DE" will get into everything, like using an atomic bomb to kill a fly.
>
"and I wound up with a chronic hacking cough after using it on my skin and in my bed,"
** Spread like snow all over the house like snow was asking for trouble.
>
"though I tried very hard to keep it away from my face and not to breathe it."
** It was all over the house, "Like A Snowstorm." The point of no return was already FAR EXCEEDED. Remember my warnings in prior posts, "More is not better."
>
"I have used it with and without lotion,"
** The lotion is essential. It may not matter which Natural Oil is used as a carrier for DE, I used Grapeseed Oil because we had plenty on site. I'm sure we could easily substitute Olive, Coconut, or Almond Oils, etc. This is a critical point. How much DE did she mix into her lotion? I used a mix of 1/4 DE to 3/4 oil. Also how often did she apply it. I applied mine morning and night. Dusting ourselves is a NO NO. It creates a dust hazard for breathing, and it won't stay on the skin. DE must be applied to the skin mixed into a body oil to create a thin film that will stay put.
>
"and my DE is food grade. "
** It should also be 100% DE and not mixed with anything else.
>
"The cough ceased after I quit the DE."
** The web sites do say that DE is non toxic and even if inhaled does not cause permanent damage. Nevertheless I do insist on using DE sparingly and focused to where it will do the most good. As I have said in the procedure, AVOID breathing it and use a dusk mask if needed.
>
"I do still occasionally use it on my cats, but that's it."
** It does kill fleas, ticks and other pests on animals. Wear a dust mask to avoid any dust.
>
"It's too dangerous for my lungs."
** Absolutely true, Must be used sparingly and focused into the right places.
>
"It did knock them back some, but in the 6 or 8 weeks I used it it did not clear them, and in fact doesn't work nearly as well for me as my current regimen."
** I have proven that if used properly, DE provides a cure in less than 1 month.
>
>
ItchyGirl, I have only one question, re: your lotion+DE mix. What % of DE did you mix into your lotion, and what kind of lotion did you use?
Again, many thanks for your input. It will help us fine tune the "DE Cure."

Vann
Vann from Tennessee

Jackson, TN

#58 Jan 22, 2010
I have just started a new thread where I know all of us will be qualified to post our cure.

CURED FOR 6 MONTHS & HERE IS HOW I DID IT
==========
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http://www.topix.com/forum/health/scabies/TIB...

I should be posting on or about August 15th as I plan to stop all DE treatments by Feb 15th.

Does anyone have any ideas on improving the DE Cure? Lets discuss your improvements for the benefit of all.

Vann
Vann from Tennessee

Jackson, TN

#59 Jan 23, 2010
THE CHINESE ART OF WAR
==========
"..So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your enemy, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself...."

"...Therefore one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the most skillful. Seizing the enemy without fighting is the most skillful...."

Oh so true in our war against the Scabie Mite. We must take full advantage of his weakness, kill him by knowing where he travels and when he travels.

Vann
Pokadot Patty

United States

#60 Jan 23, 2010
Vann from Tennessee wrote:
THE CHINESE ART OF WAR
==========
"..So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your enemy, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself...."
"...Therefore one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the most skillful. Seizing the enemy without fighting is the most skillful...."
Oh so true in our war against the Scabie Mite. We must take full advantage of his weakness, kill him by knowing where he travels and when he travels.
Vann
Do you know Kung Fu....too?
Vann from Tennessee

Jackson, TN

#61 Jan 24, 2010
Pokadot Patty,

I spent a great deal of effort to learn about the enemy. This should not have been so hard to do, but it was. There are dribs and drabs about Scabie scattered all over the net. Here is the compiled result of MANY searches:
Nicely done but incomplete: http://www.ehow.com/about_5325576_long-can-sc...
1. Infestation begins with a single pregnant FEMALE mite. Once impregnated, she leaves her "Molting Pouch" to find a new host or to make her new permanent burrow. Male dies shortly after mating.

2. She lays 2 to 3 eggs every day that are approximately 0.10 to 0.15 mm in length. After 3 to 4 days, her eggs hatch inside the skin burrow. 10% of the eggs hatch males, 90% females. The 6 legged larvae remain in the female's burrow for up to one day, and then leave the burrow to excavate their own Molting Pouch. Scabies won't lay eggs in your environment--the mites lay eggs ONLY in human skin burrows.

3. Larvae grow and change form by shedding their exoskeleton (molting) three times before they reach adulthood (larva, protonymph, tritonymph, adult). Each molting takes 2-3 days, and each molting requires the excavation of new molting pouch or hair follicle. After the final molt, the mite has reached reproductive maturity with 8 legs. Males leave the pouch to find a female. Pregnant females may leave the pouch to look for an ideal location to dig a new burrow.

4. Meanwhile, rgw pregnant female continues to lengthen her burrow and laying eggs until ( 60 to 90 eggs in all ) she dies in about 1 month. Burrows take an S shape.

5. Adult males are innocuous, residing in shallow areas on the skin and feeding on their human host until they find the molting pouch of a female mite. They are attracted to the openings of female mites molting pouches, which contains large quantities of feces.[make sure the males die while searching for a female]

6. Newly impregnated mites tend to search for areas where there are folds and crevices, such as between the fingers, under the arms, on the wrists, around the waist, the breast area (on women), and around male genitalia.

7. Scabies can live on clothing or other materials for up to 72 hours. The mites usually only live for two to three days without human skin contact.

8. Once the mites die, their bodies [and feces] still remain beneath the surface of the skin and hence they continue to develop skin rashes, itching and allergies.

Moral of this story: Stop the males from searching for a female. He is crawling on the surface and stop females from finding a new burrow, using skin creams. Best time to kill mites is in their molting pouch. Remember every day she was laying 3 to 4 eggs that will hatch every day and leave the burrow.

Translation: Every day new hatchlings are leaving the burrow to make new "Molting Pouches." They must be stopped with skin creams and daily soaking until the last of the eggs have hatched. Pinpricks are the hatchling making a new Molting Pouch.
Links:
http://www.health.nt.gov.au/library/scripts/o...

I know nothing of Kung Foo, but I do know the enemy.

Vann
Vann from Tennessee

Jackson, TN

#62 Jan 24, 2010
I will make this short. It is too late for me to make changes to my DE-Cure detailed in message # 1. I am cured already and will be completely off of treatments by Mid-February.

If anyone is interested in sponsoring a new approach, there is some solid evidence that Grapeseed Oil alone without the DE might cure Scabies by smothering them. Details in this message thread
http://www.topix.com/forum/health/scabies/TJH...
between message number 13 to 14.

Best to all,
Vann

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