Does Permethrin even work?!
scabies virgin

Linden, NJ

#41 Oct 16, 2008
My job requires me to do a lot of travel. I am always in a hotel. I have a good habit of checking my hotel room for bedbugs, but I never would have expected to get scabies from the bed. I had only been home for a week when I noticed a small rash on my elbow that looked like mosquito bites or hives. I didn't really think too much of it at first until later that night when both of my arms were entirely covered in the itchy rash. I then thought that maybe I was having an allergic reaction to fabric detergent or something and I went to bed. I woke up the next morning and the itchy rash had spread down to my hips! I started to freak out and went straight to the doctor. The doctor told me I had a pretty bad case of scabies. I am using the Permethrin cream. I put it everywhere.I've washed everything in my apartment as well. I was told that it wasn't necessary to put the cream on my scalp, but I am overly paranoid about getting them there! Has anyone else had issues with these little bastards spreading there?
Also, I used a spray for my furniture called "Nix"
does anyone know if there is something out there that may work better?

OMG I CAN'T wait for these things to DIE and go AWAY!!!!
Itty Bitty Critters

Pompano Beach, FL

#42 Oct 17, 2008
scabies virgin wrote:
My job requires me to do a lot of travel. I am always in a hotel. I have a good habit of checking my hotel room for bedbugs, but I never would have expected to get scabies from the bed. I had only been home for a week when I noticed a small rash on my elbow that looked like mosquito bites or hives. I didn't really think too much of it at first until later that night when both of my arms were entirely covered in the itchy rash. I then thought that maybe I was having an allergic reaction to fabric detergent or something and I went to bed. I woke up the next morning and the itchy rash had spread down to my hips! I started to freak out and went straight to the doctor. The doctor told me I had a pretty bad case of scabies. I am using the Permethrin cream. I put it everywhere.I've washed everything in my apartment as well. I was told that it wasn't necessary to put the cream on my scalp, but I am overly paranoid about getting them there! Has anyone else had issues with these little bastards spreading there?
Also, I used a spray for my furniture called "Nix"
does anyone know if there is something out there that may work better?
OMG I CAN'T wait for these things to DIE and go AWAY!!!!
I think Welty used DeFlea Spray for the environment. Bleach mixed with water works. Windex with ammonia D might work, too. I mix a spray with apple cidar vinegar, listerine, bleach and water and a little dish detergent. i'm not sure if the bleach mixes pourly with vinegar, but i'm using it as a spray in my kitchen and i spray the tables with it, and wipe them down. put borax in your carpets. and you can mix borax with bleach and water to clean your floor.
so sick

Fairborn, OH

#43 Oct 18, 2008
Im in the same boat youre in right now. Have no idea how I got them but they are horrible. I used the permethrin cream, as did my roomate who is covered as well. Still itching and still noticing new bumps. I've bleached, nixed, hotwashed, and boraxed everything but my body and still noticing new spots. I read that you can mix a mild detergent with borax and water and wash yourself with it but am too afraid of what that my do to my skin. I'd almost try anything right now - this is miserable. Maybe I haven't given the treatment (applied two days ago) enough time to work.
Concerned

Griffin, GA

#44 Dec 30, 2008
My boyfriend got scabies we think from a hotel but not sure! We thought he was having an allergic reaction to something like detergent or new axe soap he went to the doctor 3 different times and they said he was just getting bit by something finally he went to a new doctor and they said he had scabies in the mean time i thought i had flea bites but i have scabies too! We washed all of our clothes and bedding and applied permitherin cream all over twice! We cant sleep we feel like they are crawling all over us! I pray it goes away it has only been two days and it could take up to 2 weeks im just curious if this actually works because this is horrible! To anyone suffering i feel for you! My question is does this cream work? I just want to be quarantined! Iam ithching right now thinking about it!
Welty

AOL

#45 Jan 18, 2009
Perm works. It just takes another treatment, lined up with the first one. The second one has to be five to seven days after the first treatment or if it's been too long, it's really exactly like another single, lone, treatment. Line them up. Five days to six days is best. Also, forget the eight hour deal. It didn't work for me. I did perm about nine times, but they were all like lone, single treatments, too far apart until the final three treatments. Complete the kill. Don't "wait and see" if you get more bumps, because they won't usually show for l4 days or more, and you have more stages of mites, more generations by then, so again, you are starting from scratch. No pun intended. Don't forget the scalp if affected! Don't forget under the toenails and fingernails. Wash your clothes on hot or dry them (before washing, from a dry state) for an hour at least! first and then wash on your regular temp, then regular dry, if shrinking would ruin them. You should retire any dry clean only things for now, and get more sturdy cottons etc. Ironing with steam also kills mites. Bedding must be washed on hot the next day after a treatment so you're not going back to sleep in infested sheets with a stunned, but live, more perm resistant mite that survived.
But Perm does work with two treatments for an early case or possibly three if advanced. I went for three because it had been so long. Another OTC thing you can do meanwhile is to treat your hands frequently with sulfer soap washings, lightly graze your nails over the cake. Keep your hands free of new environmental mites. Amlactin or LacticCare lotion on the hands, wrists and under the nails also keeps mites from the environment from getting reestablished. But yeah, Perm is a wonder drug. It's just that it doesn't have wonder directions. One time is not curative anymore, maybe it used to be. Maybe with Iver it could be. Not sure. Iver alone is not a cure. But yes, I think Perm alone can cure if used as a two step deal and used for the high end of the time.
Welty

AOL

#46 Jan 18, 2009
AmLactin or Lacticare because mites hate lactic acid, but it won't get burrowers. It's a safety treatment that won't cure this. You can't do a lot with this except some surface mites get killed. It is an aid only. Also, it's too humid for most places on the body. I used it every few days on my elbow points, kneecaps, feet and hands and wrists. It's too moist for moist areas, would probably really irritate a major rash area, and would be extremely uncomfortable, but it keeps mites out of the areas where mites are easy to miss. My feet started to get these, but when I used the AmLactin every third night on feet and ankles, this area stayed clear. That is one area I could not bear it if it ever got infested. Every third night seemed to keep them out of there.
mark

Thunder Bay, Canada

#47 Jan 23, 2009
When I had scabies it was the most horrible thing , I felt uncomfortable around everyone and thought it would never end,there is a quick way to end your breakout safely. Permethrin does not work folks if you have had scabies for a couple weeks and it is dangerous.

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7YearItch

London, UK

#48 Mar 4, 2009
Welty is right, Perm does work you just need to use it right. It took me 5 tubes to figure out the correct way to use it, here are my tips:

1. PLAN This thing takes some planning to beat, you have to be ready to wash sheets, clothes, have different batches of clothes sorted before you treat. One slip up can ruin the whole treatment and you have to start from the start.

2. Don't hurt yourself, just use perm and dont bathe in borax and all the other wild things that people on here tell you to do. This just makes your skin dryer and itchy because it is damaged.

3. You have to do two treatments of Perm 5-7 days apart. In the interim buy some Eurax and use it where you are itching. Try to leave the permethrin on for at least 10 hours, 12 seems to be best.

4. When you have treated do not worry if you are still itchy. Even if you get more scabs within the first few weeks after treatment just leave them. If you keep getting them after 4 weeks then treat again. If you are just itching do not treat again. I itched like I had scabies for nearly 3 months after treating and then on and off for a few more months. Remember normal people itch too and if you dont get any scabs or bumps etc then you are okay.

5. Hang in there. You will get to the end just be organised, plan treatments and be patient.

Hope that helps everyone else!
JMS Robertson

Mumbai, India

#49 Mar 5, 2009
7YearItch & Welty,

I am not only getting new bites after using the perm, but under the perm the nights I use the perm! Does thi smean that my mites are not being killed by this???
noordinaryspider

San Francisco, CA

#50 Mar 6, 2009
No,the perm will initially make you feel worse, not better. Your skin will continue to react to dead mites and existing eggs,poop,and other debris for (depending on which website or book you believe) days, weeks,or maybe even months after successful treatment.

And now comes the hard part: not CAUSING more problems by impatiently retreating yourself with products that cause contact dermatitis and then THINKING you're reinfested when you're not.

In my not so humble opinion, this is worse than the scabies itself,especially since you feel so silly.
JMS Robertson

Mumbai, India

#51 Mar 6, 2009
Hi noordinaryspider,

So if I am getting 'bites' that are red, itchy bite marks just like the bite marks that I was getting before any treatments, with a pustule in the center, you are saying that that might be reactions to the dead mites, etc. So how do I know when I do not have any more live bites, if the marks afterwards look just like the bites during the infestation?
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#52 Mar 6, 2009
noordinaryspider wrote:
No,the perm will initially make you feel worse, not better. Your skin will continue to react to dead mites and existing eggs,poop,and other debris for (depending on which website or book you believe) days, weeks,or maybe even months after successful treatment.
And now comes the hard part: not CAUSING more problems by impatiently retreating yourself with products that cause contact dermatitis and then THINKING you're reinfested when you're not.
In my not so humble opinion, this is worse than the scabies itself,especially since you feel so silly.
This is not always the case. You can still be infested even after using permethrin.
noordinaryspider

San Francisco, CA

#53 Mar 6, 2009
Joe is absolutely right.

The hard part (as I understand it) is that we DON'T know!

My dillema is that waiting it out might mean that I reinfest my kids. Freaking out might mean that I poison them.

It's really a catch-22.
buggie

United States

#54 Apr 22, 2009
Please read the first page of these posts. A trusted pharmacist in mexico said to apply 5% permethrin daily for 8 days. Full body including scalp/head.
buggie

United States

#55 Apr 22, 2009
Bitten wrote:
Daveed,
I think it depends on how soon after you get scabies before applying permethrin that determines whether it is a "total" cure or not.
I don't know how many tubes and of what mg the free clinic prescribed, however it seems to be more effective applied DAILY for at least 8 days.
Rub it in from neck to toe, leave it on for 12-24hrs, wash it off and exfoliate while washing it off, then reapply again when skin is completely dry, dress in clean clothes and repeat every day for at least 8 days.
I am not an MD or RN, however it does seem to be more effective applied this way than using the standard 1x application "repeat in 10 days if necessary".
here's the post from bitten. There is another post explaining about the trusted pharmacist or doctor in mexico. At least 8 days. I will add apply to head because an expert said its a myth that mites stay off the head, plus I have felt them on my head.
Carol

Hinsdale, IL

#56 May 19, 2009
I've treated myself 4 times with Permethrin, about 4 days apart. I didn't find any new bumps the past 72 hours, until yesterday morning :( Does this mean that they are still alive? Do new bumps mean they are still there or is it a delayed allergic reaction? I'm not sure if I should treat again or take something else, like IVERMECTIN.
7YearItch wrote:
Welty is right, Perm does work you just need to use it right. It took me 5 tubes to figure out the correct way to use it, here are my tips:
1. PLAN This thing takes some planning to beat, you have to be ready to wash sheets, clothes, have different batches of clothes sorted before you treat. One slip up can ruin the whole treatment and you have to start from the start.
2. Don't hurt yourself, just use perm and dont bathe in borax and all the other wild things that people on here tell you to do. This just makes your skin dryer and itchy because it is damaged.
3. You have to do two treatments of Perm 5-7 days apart. In the interim buy some Eurax and use it where you are itching. Try to leave the permethrin on for at least 10 hours, 12 seems to be best.
4. When you have treated do not worry if you are still itchy. Even if you get more scabs within the first few weeks after treatment just leave them. If you keep getting them after 4 weeks then treat again. If you are just itching do not treat again. I itched like I had scabies for nearly 3 months after treating and then on and off for a few more months. Remember normal people itch too and if you dont get any scabs or bumps etc then you are okay.
5. Hang in there. You will get to the end just be organised, plan treatments and be patient.
Hope that helps everyone else!
itchygirl in oh

Youngstown, OH

#57 May 19, 2009
Daveed, I seal my dirty laundry in garbage bags with mothballs for several days before washing. They're cheap. Dollar store. I wasn't sure if it was working so I slacked off and noticed a big difference. They do kill mites on clothes. I am washing and drying on hot, but they were still getting through w/out the mothballs. Buy some mothballs and mesh bags (also dollar store) or old pantyhose. Throw a mesh bag of mothballs into each garbage bag full of clothes and seal it tight. I keep a bag going and immediately put my dirty clothes into it when I take them off. Good luck
itchygirl in oh

Youngstown, OH

#58 May 19, 2009
Wrong thread???? Oops.
sam

Thunder Bay, Canada

#59 Jun 21, 2009
I remember my battle with scabies, what a nightmare, there is the hard way to get rid of them and the easy way. Permethrin did not work as it can not penetrate your skin. See how I got rid of my Scabies and resumed my life.

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Since: Jun 09

Oakland, CA

#60 Jun 21, 2009
I'm hopeful at this point...hopefully not naive! But, personally, I'd follow the instructions on the bottle...IMO, if it didn't work how it was supposed to, they'd change the instructions. Other than the rare cases where the mites are resistant or for the Norwegian type...but, wait 2 weeks to find out if there are "Demonstrable living mites" before reaplying a second or third or fourth treatment. Seek a second, third or fourth opinion on what next steps to take. If they (the pharmaceuticals) wanted you to use it 8 days in a row, the would (they'd be making more money that way, right!?) Leaving the stuff on for 24 hours, or for 8 days straight seems like it would lead to the persistent pruritus and contact dermatitis people are complaining about. That can happen if you do leave it on for one application for 14 hours in some people. Have you guys done a google image search on contact dermatitus. It can look an awful lot like scabies to me.
http://images.google.com/images...

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Permethrin Instructions:
http://www.rxlist.com/elimite-drug.htm
Adults and children: Thoroughly massage ELIMITEĀ®(permethrin) 5% Cream into the skin from the head to the soles of the feet. Scabies rarely infests the scalp of adults, although the hairline, neck, temple, and forehead may be infested in infants and geriatric patients. Usually 30 grams is sufficient for an average adult. The cream should be removed by washing (shower or bath) after 8 to 14 hours. Infants should be treated on the scalp, temple, and forehead. ONE APPLICATION IS GENERALLY CURATIVE.

Patients may experience persistent pruritus after treatment. This is rarely a sign of treatment failure and is not an indication for retreatment. Demonstrable living mites after 14 days indicate that retreatment is necessary.

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