Andrew Wakefield sues BMJ for claiming MMR study was fraudulent

Jan 5, 2012 Full story: Guardian Unlimited 23

In 2010 the GMC found Andrew Wakefield guilty of serious professional misconduct over charges relating to his research.

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Sam

LÚvis, Canada

#2 Jan 5, 2012
Let's go Andrew. Lead the path to the truth: vaccine cause autism
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#4 Jan 6, 2012
I have seen Brian Deer speak about this case and found him less convincing than his articles. It certainly seems to dominate his working life though - apparently his only 'scoop'.

I'm not entirely trusting of the BMA or Texas justice, so I think this legal action will be interesting.

Sam's comment above is misleading as Dr Wakefield,(contrary to popular belief) is entirely in favour of vaccines and has only suggested that the MMR should be given as separate injections over 12 to 18 months.(Arguably, giving people the option should be common sense - if they pay any increased cost involved). To some, that might seem safer than hitting such a young child's developing immune system with three viruses at once.

I read a report that most of the substance of his findings have been repeated in the USA. Under the circumstances, the Northern University concerned may not wish to be embroiled in any controvercy or legal issue regarding it and I cannot now quickly find a link to the report.

Dr Wakefield's study was tiny and strongly criticised, but the possibility of a link of some kind, not yet understood between viruses and autism cannot be ruled out. The BMA (and others who repeatedly site the usual studies and surveys) have been quite insistent this is not the case. If they are mistaken, it may undermine faith in the authorities once again, as with Mr Gummer regarding BSE..
From:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stor...
His reassurances were echoed by the government's Chief Medical Officer, Sir Donald Acheson, in a formal statement to underline his previous assertions that beef is safe to eat.(Unquote)

Let's hope the authorities are a little more competent this time and haven't got themselves into another avoidable mess.

Whatever one's opinion, it will be interesting to see what the court decision is in this case.
talking donkey

Nuneaton, UK

#5 Jan 6, 2012
Sam wrote:
Let's go Andrew. Lead the path to the truth: vaccine cause autism
I wonder how people were autistic before we had vaccines? Autism is genetic in origin.

Since: Dec 11

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#6 Jan 6, 2012
talking donkey wrote:
<quoted text>I wonder how people were autistic before we had vaccines? Autism is genetic in origin.
some interesting snippets on this site regarding the issue

http://www.naturalnews.com/027178_autism_vacc...

Since: Jan 07

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#7 Jan 6, 2012
Natural news of course is biased and always supports Wakefield, and in order to sell their products, continues to spread bad info and siting Deadly Immunity and thimerosal. Clue number one: In the USA thimerosal hasn't been in childhood vaccines for years, yet the autism rates never decreasded. They increased.

Wakefield always was in favor of vaccines and the separate injections had little to do with safety and common sense, as it did his 3 patents for a single measles jab which he applied for prior to the release of that one small study.
Wakefield has since changes his opinion on vaccines and is now opposed to them, as seen by his trips to Minnesota.

As for Brian Deer, he was an establisged journalist prior to Wakefield and still is. Often you see in the USA, it takes a dedicated journalist to expose many issues. In this case, someone had to expose a fraud. It wouldn't had matter who it was, that journalist would still be deemed as taking down a hero, and taking away any hope the anti vaxxers had.
Friend

LÚvis, Canada

#10 Jan 6, 2012
Show me your data that autism is genetic. Otherwise stfu9753
talking donkey wrote:
<quoted text>I wonder how people were autistic before we had vaccines? Autism is genetic in origin.
Friend

LÚvis, Canada

#11 Jan 6, 2012
dont you find it funny, the only disease in the world related to vaccines for which there is no cause found yet.

Since: Jan 07

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#12 Jan 6, 2012
What's really funny is you make no sense. If no cause for autism has been found, how can autism be related to anything??!!!!!! It could be just as easily related to alien abductions.
Friend

LÚvis, Canada

#13 Jan 6, 2012
Wrong wrong again.

Wakefield has stood by his original studies since the begining.
His crime was his research into autism and vaccines. Everyone knows that vaccines cause autism. Every one knows that since he went public with it, it is a big taboo. Offit has patents himself, he cashed in 10 millions for his patents from Merck though he gives lectures on vaccines safety.

Vaccines are known to do permanent neurological damages. Still you questions vaccine autism relationship. Dont be surprised, again if they will discredit him once again. It just shows you that vaccines are unsafe and they will milead the public into trusting vaccines. Just to say these days, it is all about money and truth will never be told. Pharma will not allow it. For one we all know it is not Wakefield with the money.
friend wrote:
Natural news of course is biased and always supports Wakefield, and in order to sell their products, continues to spread bad info and siting Deadly Immunity and thimerosal. Clue number one: In the USA thimerosal hasn't been in childhood vaccines for years, yet the autism rates never decreasded. They increased.
Wakefield always was in favor of vaccines and the separate injections had little to do with safety and common sense, as it did his 3 patents for a single measles jab which he applied for prior to the release of that one small study.
Wakefield has since changes his opinion on vaccines and is now opposed to them, as seen by his trips to Minnesota.
As for Brian Deer, he was an establisged journalist prior to Wakefield and still is. Often you see in the USA, it takes a dedicated journalist to expose many issues. In this case, someone had to expose a fraud. It wouldn't had matter who it was, that journalist would still be deemed as taking down a hero, and taking away any hope the anti vaxxers had.

Since: Jan 07

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#14 Jan 6, 2012
Funny. You just keep defending a doctor who was a fraud and even admitted it at an Anti vaxxer meeting (you can find it on video still) and to Matt Lauer on Dateline. All you have to do is listen to him talk.

And we already went over Offit. He shared a 'single'(that means one) patent for a single vaccine for rotavirus, and sold his share. Wakefield had 3 patents for 3 different vaccines and he was the only patent holder.

Go tell that to the millions who have had vaccines and don't have autism or neurological damage. Still waiting for a anti vaxxer to explain that one. Any anti vaxxer will do.
tripe monkey

Nuneaton, UK

#15 Jan 6, 2012
friend wrote:
What's really funny is you make no sense. If no cause for autism has been found, how can autism be related to anything??!!!!!! It could be just as easily related to alien abductions.
if as you say there is no cause, how can you idiots claim that vaccines cause it? and Autism is NOT a disease. so how did people be autistic BEFORE vaccines existed?
tripe monkey

Nuneaton, UK

#16 Jan 6, 2012
and how many "friends" are there? which one isn't a nutter?

Since: Jan 07

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#17 Jan 6, 2012
Look here, I am a registered user, the other joker plays games and posts under my name all the time. He is not a registered user, and most times when he's not pretending to be some one else, he goes under Sam. I have never stated vaccines cause autism, and you do have good questions that no anti vaxxer will answer. They also cant answer why everyone who had vaccines don't have autism.
tripe monkey wrote:
<quoted text>if as you say there is no cause, how can you idiots claim that vaccines cause it? and Autism is NOT a disease. so how did people be autistic BEFORE vaccines existed?

Since: Jan 07

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#18 Jan 6, 2012
You will notice Brossard, Canada post number 1 is Sam.
Just pay attention to location. Brossard as well as Winnipeg Canada suffer from severe anti vaxxer/ no understanding of science/ scare tactic disease.
jones6

Magna, UT

#22 Jan 6, 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation

That must be totally made up information. Viruses may cause genetic mutations. BS. Vaccines don't have anything to do with viruses so we are safe even if that were true.

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/autistic-m...

They used genetic mutations to duplicate autistic traits in mice. Viruses don't cause mutations, so Autism is genetically inherited.

Good sound reasoning.

No anti vaxxer ever will be able to answer how radiation, viruses, transposons and mutagenic chemicals, as well as errors that occur during meiosis or DNA replication existed BEFORE autism.

Since: Dec 11

havelock, nc

#25 Jan 6, 2012
jones6 wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M utation

That must be totally made up information. Viruses may cause genetic mutations. BS. Vaccines don't have anything to do with viruses so we are safe even if that were true.

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/autistic-m...

They used genetic mutations to duplicate autistic traits in mice. Viruses don't cause mutations, so Autism is genetically inherited.

Good sound reasoning.

No anti vaxxer ever will be able to answer how radiation, viruses, transposons and mutagenic chemicals, as well as errors that occur during meiosis or DNA replication existed BEFORE autism.
Uhhhhg.. You don't understand biology very well... I read some studies on shank3 mutations. They say that some of them are inherited mutations, and some are de novo(not inherited) mutations. Those kinds of mutations, since they are in the whole body's DNA, occur around the time of fertilization, not from something(like a vaccination) that happens when they are a child. Mutations that are acquired during someone's life are generally limited to only some of the body's cells, as with cancer. Every cell in your body doesn't magically change it's DNA sequence just because some of your cells have.
Sam

LÚvis, Canada

#28 Jan 8, 2012
Forget about genetic mutations, has nothing to do with regressive autism. It is the damn vaccines doing the damage of autism by screwing the immune system and subsequent brain damage.
jones6

Layton, UT

#29 Jan 8, 2012
Coldblooded wrote:
<quoted text>
Uhhhhg.. You don't understand biology very well... I read some studies on shank3 mutations. They say that some of them are inherited mutations, and some are de novo(not inherited) mutations. Those kinds of mutations, since they are in the whole body's DNA, occur around the time of fertilization, not from something(like a vaccination) that happens when they are a child. Mutations that are acquired during someone's life are generally limited to only some of the body's cells, as with cancer. Every cell in your body doesn't magically change it's DNA sequence just because some of your cells have.
Yep no way genetics could mutate from a virus. You really understand de novo well. Thanks.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19031463
jones6

Layton, UT

#30 Jan 8, 2012
Sam wrote:
Forget about genetic mutations, has nothing to do with regressive autism. It is the damn vaccines doing the damage of autism by screwing the immune system and subsequent brain damage.
So how would the vaccine affect the brain if no genetic mutation were to occur?

Since: Dec 11

havelock, nc

#31 Jan 8, 2012
jones6 wrote:
<quoted text>Yep no way genetics could mutate from a virus. You really understand de novo well. Thanks.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19031463
Wow. That link had absolutely nothing to do with a virus mutating someone's genetics. Good job.

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