Vaccines are a great public health be...

Vaccines are a great public health benefit - if used

There are 22 comments on the Des Moines Register story from Oct 29, 2011, titled Vaccines are a great public health benefit - if used. In it, Des Moines Register reports that:

Vaccine safety concerns have certainly increased over the years, despite evidence supporting the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention vaccine schedule.

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Since: Jan 07

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#1 Oct 29, 2011
What is scary to think about is rubella. During the epidemic in the US between 1964-65 (when there was clean water and toilets and far less processed foods) the United States had an estimated 12.5 million rubella cases. This led to 11,000 miscarriages or therapeutic abortions and 20,000 cases of congenital rubella syndrome. Of these, 2,100 died as neonates, 12,000 were deaf, 3,580 were blind and 1,800 were mentally retarded. In New York alone, CRS affected 1% of all births. All it takes is someone going to another country and bringing the virus back.
FBOMBER

Canada

#2 Oct 29, 2011
Vaccines are perfect if you ignore and coverup the maiming and deaths they cause. And they are easy to market through fraud and fear mongering too. Quite a product. After children are damaged for life and have a siezure disorder and/or anaphylactic food issues, Pharma can supply you with pills it makes to "HELP"?????
FBOMBER

Winnipeg, Canada

#3 Nov 20, 2011
FBOMBER wrote:
Vaccines are perfect if you ignore and coverup the maiming and deaths they cause. And they are easy to market through fraud and fear mongering too. Quite a product. After children are damaged for life and have a siezure disorder and/or anaphylactic food issues, Pharma can supply you with pills it makes to "HELP"?????
Pharmafia
Domino

New Hyde Park, NY

#4 Nov 20, 2011
FBOMBER wrote:
Vaccines are perfect if you ignore and coverup the maiming and deaths they cause. And they are easy to market through fraud and fear mongering too. Quite a product. After children are damaged for life and have a siezure disorder and/or anaphylactic food issues, Pharma can supply you with pills it makes to "HELP"?????
You coin a phrase 'Pharmafia', FBomber? That's how you cast Pharma for its well-meaning campaign to give children the vaccines they need to grow without or with a minimum amount of the diseases they can be afflicted with. These are not the devisive human beings to which only profits mean everything, AS you purport. But you are an intelligent man and can alleviate yourself of this prejudice you nurture by using your God-given senses. Try it out if you are willing to halt your treacherous decline into an abyss of malevolence. I say this only for your own good, because I see the mental suffering you are going through.
FBOMBER

Winnipeg, Canada

#5 Nov 20, 2011
Domino wrote:
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You coin a phrase 'Pharmafia', FBomber? That's how you cast Pharma for its well-meaning campaign to give children the vaccines they need to grow without or with a minimum amount of the diseases they can be afflicted with. These are not the devisive human beings to which only profits mean everything, AS you purport. But you are an intelligent man and can alleviate yourself of this prejudice you nurture by using your God-given senses. Try it out if you are willing to halt your treacherous decline into an abyss of malevolence. I say this only for your own good, because I see the mental suffering you are going through.
Wrong Preacher. Pharma companies are in constant litigation over the harm their products cause. They are found at fault time and time again. They settle out of court to avoid conviction and to coverup the issue. They do poor safety studies and create fraudulent reports. They market product like Vioxx knowing it will harm users. They are criminals.
Domino

New Hyde Park, NY

#6 Nov 20, 2011
To harbor such devisive feelings against Pharma companies is unhealthy doing it alone. Try somebody else on these threads. Trust them and even befriend them. YOu are not alone in your crusade to prove them guilty, so why not use this resource for your own good. Nobody has joined your cause because you won't allow anyone in on your monumental task.
FBOMBER

Winnipeg, Canada

#7 Nov 20, 2011
Domino wrote:
To harbor such devisive feelings against Pharma companies is unhealthy doing it alone. Try somebody else on these threads. Trust them and even befriend them. YOu are not alone in your crusade to prove them guilty, so why not use this resource for your own good. Nobody has joined your cause because you won't allow anyone in on your monumental task.
Baloney. There are few people who visit these forums. The best part though is that people do find it. There are thousands of people who believe vaccines are dangerous but the real power lays with the perpetrators. Measle outbreaks show people are listening. They know Pharma is self serving and criminal. We all have victims in our families or are the children of friends. Its a world wide phenomenon with only one possible common denominator. The fact the authorities do nothing shows that is their intention. But instead of authorities acting, parents are, they know vaccines are as dangerous as the industry that pushes them.
Domino

New Hyde Park, NY

#8 Nov 20, 2011
Show us the thousands of people who believe as you do, FBomber, that vaccines are generally dangerous and therefore worthless and meaningless. The persons who read these threads are, of course, those with autistic children.

I believe that more would comment on their cases or findings, but seem intimidated by this so-called FBOMBER, a bombastic and wild-eyed ogre, whom they don't want to hassle with.

That is a sad commentary of what you have done to damage these threads beyond diligent usage. How dare you disrupt a line of communication this important and even vital to the health of children.

You are a venomous villain full of hatred, some of it self-hatred I am sure. You are beating yourself up the way your son turned out. Sorry about that, but others have recovered. And so can you, if you have any guts.
FBOMBER

Winnipeg, Canada

#9 Nov 20, 2011
Domino wrote:
Show us the thousands of people who believe as you do, FBomber, that vaccines are generally dangerous and therefore worthless and meaningless. The persons who read these threads are, of course, those with autistic children.
I believe that more would comment on their cases or findings, but seem intimidated by this so-called FBOMBER, a bombastic and wild-eyed ogre, whom they don't want to hassle with.
That is a sad commentary of what you have done to damage these threads beyond diligent usage. How dare you disrupt a line of communication this important and even vital to the health of children.
You are a venomous villain full of hatred, some of it self-hatred I am sure. You are beating yourself up the way your son turned out. Sorry about that, but others have recovered. And so can you, if you have any guts.
One example, 5,000 vaccine lawsuits against the American Vaccine Compensation Plan/Vaccine injury Court.

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#10 Nov 20, 2011
All those 5000 test case show is a bunch of people wanting a pay day like the income Wakefield was making. The reasons most of the test case didn't win, is because they cant prove the cause, even with all the specialists and experts they brought with them, which mainly were from the anti vaxxers. The are the same specialists and experts that claim they can cure autism.

Anti vaxxers have been spouting thousdands for years. It's a general number with no body backing up that number. You know Winnipeg is one. Wakefield now is one (he never was before but then when they smashed his patents for vaccines, he crossed over) McCarthy is another. So far we have 3. Then you have the site owner of GR. So far we have 4. Then you have those over at AoA, inclusing Wright, so far that's about 13. Then you have the mother who turned anti vaxxer, regretted it after her son contracted the measles, so she was a short-lived anti vaxxer. Down to 12.
Domino

New Hyde Park, NY

#11 Nov 20, 2011
FBOMBER wrote:
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One example, 5,000 vaccine lawsuits against the American Vaccine Compensation Plan/Vaccine injury Court.
First of all, you're slowing down in your old age, FBomber. Talk about unproductive. Better outsource your stuff and have it FedExed back to you so you'll have it by Monday or Tuesday.

Now, about your last post, FBomber. You have one example of how many anti-vaxxers we have out there. How did you ever get that figure of 5,000 lawsuits? Out of a hat? And it all went to where? The American Vaccine Compensation Plan/Vaccine Injury Court. Oh, you mean the AVCPVIC? Why didn't you say so in the first place? Is senility setting in or senior moments. And you're not that old either, I didn't think. Oh, one other thing, you didn't tell us the success rate of these lawsuits?
FBOMBER

Canada

#12 Nov 20, 2011

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#13 Nov 20, 2011
Many people used to come to this forum. Winnipeg even scraed the anti vaxxers away. Eventually, just like Topix net deletes his post, they'll remove him all together as the did This person named Yogi. All it'll take is a few more deleted comments. All any one of us needs to do, is have conversations and ust ignore him, talk around him.

There was 5000 test cases for the Special Masters in vaccine court. Mainly only one won, but that was due to a genetic (from her mother) disorder she already had.none of the other 5000 cases were even close to this case. The court didn't find vaccines caused her autism-like symptoms, but that vaccines made a pre-existing disorder worse. In that case, that child also had an amount of vacines one generally doesn't get in a day. Her family prolonged her vaccines due to her always being ill, and they gave her a ton of catch-up vaccines, all in one day.
FBOMBER

Canada

#14 Nov 20, 2011
Thanks for describing how your country screws families first by destroying their child, then by twisting the truth so no compensation or acknowledgement of injury is recnized. Quite the Nazi crimes against humanity.

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#15 Nov 20, 2011
Nazi's forced medical experiments on people, during a pretty primitive time in medical advancements. Vaccines in this country (USA) are a choice. So no, it's nothing at all like Nazi's or Hitler but thanks again for a great example of scare tactics.

How many RX's are in your house as we speak? next time someone contracts a preventable disease, let's say we not give them medical treatment that includes the Pharma? many people would die without your hated Pharma.
domino

Winnipeg, Canada

#16 Nov 21, 2011
Domino wrote:
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First of all, you're slowing down in your old age, FBomber. Talk about unproductive. Better outsource your stuff and have it FedExed back to you so you'll have it by Monday or Tuesday.
Now, about your last post, FBomber. You have one example of how many anti-vaxxers we have out there. How did you ever get that figure of 5,000 lawsuits? Out of a hat? And it all went to where? The American Vaccine Compensation Plan/Vaccine Injury Court. Oh, you mean the AVCPVIC? Why didn't you say so in the first place? Is senility setting in or senior moments. And you're not that old either, I didn't think. Oh, one other thing, you didn't tell us the success rate of these lawsuits?
If you weren't so senile yourself dumino you'd remember you asked who the thousands were who think like me. I gave you one example. Regardless of how the govenment worked in collusion with vaccine making Pharmafia, and screwed them out of both truth and compensation, this number is accurate.
domino

Winnipeg, Canada

#17 Nov 21, 2011
friend wrote:
Nazi's forced medical experiments on people, during a pretty primitive time in medical advancements. Vaccines in this country (USA) are a choice. So no, it's nothing at all like Nazi's or Hitler but thanks again for a great example of scare tactics.
How many RX's are in your house as we speak? next time someone contracts a preventable disease, let's say we not give them medical treatment that includes the Pharma? many people would die without your hated Pharma.
I would never expect a closed minded bleep like you to understand that Pharma does as much harm as good. I would expect an intelligent person to though.
Vaccines Kill

Winnipeg, Canada

#19 Dec 7, 2011
friend wrote:
What is scary to think about is rubella. During the epidemic in the US between 1964-65 (when there was clean water and toilets and far less processed foods) the United States had an estimated 12.5 million rubella cases. This led to 11,000 miscarriages or therapeutic abortions and 20,000 cases of congenital rubella syndrome. Of these, 2,100 died as neonates, 12,000 were deaf, 3,580 were blind and 1,800 were mentally retarded. In New York alone, CRS affected 1% of all births. All it takes is someone going to another country and bringing the virus back.
Makes perfect sense to then put this dangerous virus in live form into a vaccine and into children. Even though they call it attenuated, it could be possible it can take what it needs from other virus eg measle in same shot, or within of from the host to become comlete and dangerous again. Its called experimentation folks, and those responsible will never admit such error. Instead they will say thers no connection, there was an underlying disorder and/ or its a coincidence. In the 80's autism was 1 in 10,000. In two decades the U.S (2007) had a rate of 1 in 91. In another two decades we can expect most children to be on the spectrum. Government and Pharma's response? As stated. Plus they don't want to pursue it any more. Seems an odd response for our health professionals, and health agencies.
FBOMBER

Winnipeg, Canada

#21 Dec 27, 2011
FBOMBER wrote:
www.healing-arts.org/children/ vaccines/vaccines-mmr.htm
www.mindfully.org/Health/Autism-Mercury-Vacci...
http://www.prisonplanet.com/autism-explodes-a...
Read these morons
Don't forget..
Deb

United States

#22 Dec 28, 2011
There are only 3 companies left in the US that make vaccines and one is phasing out of them. The reason is that vaccines make so called BigPharma no profit. Never has and never will. Viagra makes these a company In one day the amount that all the vaccines a company makes in one year combined. Then you add in the fact that these companies provide organizations like WHO and UNICEF vaccines destined for 3rd world countries at cost or free well its clear vaccine makers ate not in it for profit. Thanks to BigPharma preventable disease deaths have dropped 75-90% depending upon the country and disease you look at. WHO says measles deaths worldwide (mostly children) dropped to 163,000 in 2008 and that 12.7 million lives were saved from measles that year alone due to immunization. So slam BigPharma all you want but when it comes to vaccines your criticism of them is definitely not justified by the facts!

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