Unvaccinated blamed for largest measl...

Unvaccinated blamed for largest measles outbreak in 15 years

There are 37 comments on the Home Page tampabay.com story from Oct 25, 2011, titled Unvaccinated blamed for largest measles outbreak in 15 years. In it, Home Page tampabay.com reports that:

Vaccine debates often get heated, but the evidence is mounting that too many unvaccinated children , according to new research, are playing a part in the largest U.S. outbreak of measles to occur in 15 years.

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#1 Oct 25, 2011
"Your child might get measles and do well. But if you are the one who brings measles back into the community and your child infects someone else in the classroom who can't be vaccinated because of being immunocompromised, you might be responsible for the death of another child or an infant who can't be vaccinated,"

That's what will end up being the crime, people intentially not vaccinating, become infected and spread it to others. They're already preparing for being "responsible for the death of another child or an infant". It's going to be even more scarier than it is now.
FBOMBER

Winnipeg, Canada

#2 Oct 25, 2011
friend of PHARMA likes to be over-dramatic over this issue. friend of PHARMA likes to blame parents who try to protect their children from vaccine injury. friend of PHARMA then blames parents for damaging their own children when vaccine injury does occur. friend of PHARMA won't accept that vaccinated children get measles too, so the MMR, which has a dubious reputation for safety and efficacy is neither a cure all, or as safe as promoted. friend of PHARMA is trying to lay a guilt trip on good parents and is using fear mongering on others. Friend of PHARMA ignores the long history of litigation involving Pharma companies for fraud, and personal injury where they have been found guilty and at fault a large number of times. The U.S. government had to set up a vaccine injury compensation program and a vaccine injury court to save the industry from bankruptcy due to litigation. In 2010 the U.S. government gave vaccine producers blanket immunity from all forms of litigation. These are true signs of government collusion with an industry with a criminal history.

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#3 Oct 25, 2011
Did all that typing make you feel better?

And what a joke. As if all vaccine makers are based in the USA, or that only this country uses vaccines. Had nothing to do with bankruptcy, it had to do with vaccine makers deciding not to produce vaccines at all.

Make no mistake or believe lies. The Vaccine Injury Compensation Program was set up due to one vaccine (later including all) to what? ACKNOWLEDGE vaccine side affects. What other country did that? Also, that court is much easier to prove your case, the standards are much different than to out right attempt to sue them directly. If one doesn't win a case in VICP, they surely wouldn't a court litigation. It's terribly hard to prove fraud when science cant even prove vaccines cause autism.
FBOMBER

Winnipeg, Canada

#4 Oct 25, 2011
Friend of PHARMA invents facts that suit her PRO-PHARMA ideology. Ask friend of PHARMA where we can read where she gleans her information and she will talk nonsense and change the subject. friend of PHARMA twists information until its unrecognizable.

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#5 Oct 25, 2011
I never changed the subject. The true beauty of it is, any one can look it up. You think people will only want to sue vaccine makers? It is coming, sue-happy people will sue for wrongful death. It happens every day as it is. They'll be able to prove intentional with the non vaccinated person, traveled to another country, came back which then infected a young infant and caused their death. The day is coming when the right of choice will come with a price, and what a sad day that'll be, and we'll all be able to blame the anti vaxxers.

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#6 Oct 25, 2011
Actually, VICP is changing the subject and going off topic and so was directly attacking me. The topic is, the increase of measles in this country, which is lower than in Canada and other countries. The VICP is not an admission of guilt nor harm; it is acknowledging what we all should already know since at least the 1980's: All medications and vaccines carry risks, and since no one can determine who those will be, this country has a means of compensation for that child/ person.
FBOMBER

Winnipeg, Canada

#7 Oct 25, 2011
friend wrote:
Actually, VICP is changing the subject and going off topic and so was directly attacking me. The topic is, the increase of measles in this country, which is lower than in Canada and other countries. The VICP is not an admission of guilt nor harm; it is acknowledging what we all should already know since at least the 1980's: All medications and vaccines carry risks, and since no one can determine who those will be, this country has a means of compensation for that child/ person.
Like I said above, friend of PHARMA blames parents for injury caused by vaccines and then blames them for avoiding them to save them from vaccine injury. Friend is a sociopath.
jones6

Draper, UT

#8 Oct 25, 2011
friend wrote:
I never changed the subject. The true beauty of it is, any one can look it up. You think people will only want to sue vaccine makers? It is coming, sue-happy people will sue for wrongful death. It happens every day as it is. They'll be able to prove intentional with the non vaccinated person, traveled to another country, came back which then infected a young infant and caused their death. The day is coming when the right of choice will come with a price, and what a sad day that'll be, and we'll all be able to blame the anti vaxxers.
Yeah choices are bad. We should have no choices and all think the same. We will be a uniform society. No alcohol because that has caused many more deaths than anti vaxxers. We will stay indoors for fear we might cause death, there will be no risk and we will all be safe.
FBOMBER

Winnipeg, Canada

#9 Oct 25, 2011
jones6 wrote:
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Yeah choices are bad. We should have no choices and all think the same. We will be a uniform society. No alcohol because that has caused many more deaths than anti vaxxers. We will stay indoors for fear we might cause death, there will be no risk and we will all be safe.
friend of PHARMA would love a Nazi state that holds parents while their children are vaccinated against their will

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#10 Oct 25, 2011
Changing the subject again, I see. And by the way, people who are intoxicated via alcohol and cause a death is a criminal offense as well as they often are sued for wrongful death. Alcohol consumption is a poor comparison to a contracting a virus, which is preventable. 86 percent were unvaccinated or their vaccination status was unknown. 13 percent were under 1 year old, and too young for vaccination, who never were given the choice of vaccine or not. Some infected person made the choice for them. You do the math of those percents. It equals something interesting.
jones6

Draper, UT

#11 Oct 25, 2011
friend wrote:
Changing the subject again, I see. And by the way, people who are intoxicated via alcohol and cause a death is a criminal offense as well as they often are sued for wrongful death. Alcohol consumption is a poor comparison to a contracting a virus, which is preventable. 86 percent were unvaccinated or their vaccination status was unknown. 13 percent were under 1 year old, and too young for vaccination, who never were given the choice of vaccine or not. Some infected person made the choice for them. You do the math of those percents. It equals something interesting.
Alcohol consumption is a choice and so is vaccinating your children. They both can lead to undesirable consequences. I was just trying to understand why you are so anti choice for parents. Others choices affect your life in many ways, and it just seems you are trying to prevent that at all costs. If you don't want others choices to affect you all I am saying is you have options, stay inside. You liked the article comparing Tigers to infectious diseases.

"13 percent were under 1 year old, and too young for vaccination"
I can't really understand this either if vaccinations are super safe and good. Why wouldn't a child under 1 be able to receive them? Is there a threshold of some magic number for all humans that holds true in all cases where they aren't safe?

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#12 Oct 25, 2011
Alcohol is a choice, but not a medical choice. Big difference. I believe in choice, been saying since 2007. The difference there is going to Kenya with your unvaccinated kids (your choice) then come back to MN and infect many people, many too young to be vaccinated. That unvaccinated choice took away that choice for the parent of that infant. Until people can keep their germs to themselves, unvaccinated continues to affect others.
FBOMBER

Winnipeg, Canada

#13 Oct 25, 2011
friend wrote:
Alcohol is a choice, but not a medical choice. Big difference. I believe in choice, been saying since 2007. The difference there is going to Kenya with your unvaccinated kids (your choice) then come back to MN and infect many people, many too young to be vaccinated. That unvaccinated choice took away that choice for the parent of that infant. Until people can keep their germs to themselves, unvaccinated continues to affect others.
What about the vaccinated who get measles anyway, should they be shot?

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#14 Oct 25, 2011
Stop changing the subject, again. 86 percent were unvaccinated or their vaccination status was unknown. 13 percent were under 1 year old, and too young for vaccination. Do the math.
jones6

Layton, UT

#15 Oct 25, 2011
friend wrote:
Alcohol is a choice, but not a medical choice. Big difference. I believe in choice, been saying since 2007. The difference there is going to Kenya with your unvaccinated kids (your choice) then come back to MN and infect many people, many too young to be vaccinated. That unvaccinated choice took away that choice for the parent of that infant. Until people can keep their germs to themselves, unvaccinated continues to affect others.
Yeah the parents that brought their kids around that kid should have no accountability. It is totally fine to bring your infant around a person returning from a trip to Kenya. There should be no risk involved with that choice.

I seen this list http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/dow...

and made an educated decision for my family. I am a horrible monster commiting a serious crime taking away people choices in life and an infant killer. I am sure glad the media is really turning people against me for this.

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#16 Oct 25, 2011
The parents who took their kids to Kenya, unvaccinated, came back and sent those kids, sick, to daycare. There really should be accountability. Careless acts as that will change the playing field of right of choice for all.

It's also only a matter of time. Those children who acquire long term side affects or death from contracting the actual virus from an unvaccinated person, it will end up a civil suit in court. After all, most people are sue happy and everyone needs to blame someone..... I'm now curious. How do you think those parents in CA feel after their infants died of pertussis? The CDC is pretty good these days. They can pin point origin.
jones6

Draper, UT

#17 Oct 26, 2011
One persons poor decision should affect everyone's right of choice? That sounds pretty logical to me.

I am sure the parents would feel terrible after having their child die. The parents that watch their child meet developmental goals up to 1 year then regress. Then you hear the child tell you they want to die when they have a moment of calm. Mind is racing 90 miles an hour unable to focus and living in torment. Those parents should be happy their child is well vaccinated and never associate their child's decline with a vaccination. Study after study shows that the parent is an idiot and totally illogical to associate such things.

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#18 Oct 26, 2011
One persons decision obviously resulted in the start of the largest measles out breaks in 15 years. In Canada, it's even a larger out break and that's not to mention other countries.

Everyone should have vaccine choice and choose not to vaccinate. I never had a vaccine as a child. The point is, is of that choice, those who carelessly spread it around will change the playing field. So as Wakefield 'encouraged' the Somali community not to vaccinate, he failed to inform them of the rights of others if the decide to go to Kenya. It's those anti vaxxers that only go so far as to convince you not to vaccinate, but not how to protect that child from contracting it, or spreading it to others. They tell you things like clean water and sewer will make it unlikely your child would ever contract it but if they do, it's no big deal disease. So what if the child cant breathe and has to be admitted into the hospital, that's no big deal either. It's those people who will be responsible for the end of vaccine choice. And because your child had a vaccine reaction (at least it seems it) you have no idea how the actual virus will affect them when exposed or what exactly caused the reaction to begin with.
FBOMBER

Ottawa, Canada

#19 Oct 26, 2011
I think we know plenty about how real virus effects us. Autism was so rare. Even when numbers were tracked it was 1 in 10,000 in the 80's. More vaccines and who knows whats in them, has us at 1 in under 100. I'd say virus 1 in 10,000. Vaccines 1 in under 100. Do the math!
jones6

Draper, UT

#20 Oct 26, 2011
"This is the beginning of the rest of the future now and from now on there will simply be all these robots walking around, feeling nothing, thinking nothing, and there will be nobody left almost to remind them that there once was a species called a human being, with feelings and thoughts and that history and memory are right now being erased and soon nobody will really remember that life existed on the planet."

This pretty much sums it up for me. I don't listen to any group exclusively. I form my own opinions about what seems logical to me. I guess society is moving towards forcing choices and decisions. Predicted outcomes are much safer and create less risk for society as a whole. Damn the expense.

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