Miracle claimed for WWII-era pope

Miracle claimed for WWII-era pope

There are 88 comments on the MSNBC story from Jul 3, 2011, titled Miracle claimed for WWII-era pope. In it, MSNBC reports that:

The case for Pope Pius XII sainthood is controversial, given that many Jews say he failed to speak out enough to stop the Holocaust Salvatore Laporta / AP Maria Esposito sits in her home on June 23 with some portraits of Pope Pius XII.

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Tampa, FL

#81 Jul 13, 2011

Tampa, FL

#82 Jul 13, 2011
MiddleWay wrote:
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I was wondering whether you would be dumb enough to take that bait.
Answer is yes.

Wikipedia shows both ignorance and prejudice when it the claim of Carlo Falconi that Cardinal Michael Von Faulhaber, Archbishop of Munich from 1917-1952 wrote the Encyclical "Mit Brennender Sorge."

Even without the testimony of Pope Pius XI that Cardinal Pacelli was the author, the claim by Carlo Falconi doesn't fit with the facts.

First, there is no evidence Faulhaber was in Rome when it was written. Second it was written quickly and distributed quickly under the noses of the Gestapo and caught Hitler by surprise which suggests no correspondence between the Archbishop of Munich and the Vatican, and which suggests the presence of Faulhaber, an outspoken critic of the nazis, would have been quite inconvenient since it would have eliminated the possibility of surprise.
Third, as the author of "The silence of Pope Pius XII" Carlo Franconi is a discredited liar. Fourth, Cardinal Pacelli and Pope Pius XI were in complete agreement regarding the nazis as the author of "Pius XII:Greatness Dishonored" clearly proves so Frank J. Coppa's statement doesn't make any sense. It makes even less sense when you consider it relies on the lies of Carlo Falconi.

Tampa, FL

#83 Jul 13, 2011
Let's look at some more facts.

We know that Hitler tried to murder Cardinal Pacelli to prevent him from becoming the next Pope.

We know Hitler sent thugs into the Vatican to try to murder Pope Pius XII.

We know Hitler sent one of his close associates to kidnap Pope Pius XII.

We know the joint investigation by detectives of the police force of Rome and detectives of Vatican security, an investigation that was watched daily by newspapers worldwide, courtesy of the associated press, of the detonation of a bomb in the Lateran Basillica indicated Cardinal Pacelli was the intended target of the nazis and he escaped death only because he had a meeting and thus he didn't give his customary 10 minute homily.

We know that Pope Pius XII received requests in writing from Jewish leaders that he not protest so loudly against nazi attrocities because every time he protested, the attrocities against Catholics and Jews intensified.

We know that Jewish leaders in Germany tried to appease Hitler in 1933, after Jewish Rabbis and the Cardinal of New York led protests in Madison Square Gardens against proposed nazi legislation against Jewish merchants in Germany.

We know the nazis had a section for Catholic priests in the Dachua concentration camp.

We know Hitler was the candidate of choice of the German feminists.

We know Hitler favored forced sterilization of the handicapped.

We know Hitler wanted to require abortion of the handicapped and diseased children.

We know Hitler blamed the German surrender of WWI on the "treason" of the Catholic Centre party and the Jews equally.

We know the Catholic Centre party was virtually wiped out by the nazis.

We know Catholic Action was slaughtered by the nazis.

We know Hitler outlawed the labor unions, and forced the closure of all Catholic schools.

We know Hitler attended the Prussian government controlled public schools rather than Catholic parochial schools.


Tampa, FL

#84 Jul 14, 2011
In their own special way, the nazis claimed responsibility for the assassination of Cardinal Pacelli, the future Pope Pius XII, immediately after the bomb detonated in the Basillica, only to find out when they read their newspapers the next day that they had missed their mark.


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#85 Jul 14, 2011

Tampa, FL

#86 Jul 14, 2011
Colorado 4 life wrote:
Good posts. It looks like our friends are in full retreat.

If you haven't done so yet you will find the info about the bombing of the Basillica and the subsequent joint investigation on the microfiches of most US papers in the nearest library that has the microfiche machines and the newspaper rolls of Microfiches.1933-1934 for the bombing of the Basillica and the joint investigation. You won't miss it. It was headline news.

For the examination of how President Paul Von Hindenberg tried to keep Hitler out of the job of Chancellor see 1931-1933.

Look further down the road to when Von Hindenberg fell ill and Hitler seized the opportunity to begin the purge of Catholic opposition. Catholic Action and the Catholic Centre party took the brunt of the attack. Its all there on the microfiches.

Tampa, FL

#87 Jul 14, 2011
Colorado 4 life wrote:
The only thing I use Wikipedia for is to see the anti-Catholic side of an issue. It simply isn't reliable. I may as well be using the History Channel version if I'm relying on Wikipedia.

Wikipedia's presentation of the Pius XII issue while politically correct, fashionable, and protestant isn't even close to what the historical record shows.

Tampa, FL

#88 Jul 15, 2011
As Pope Pius XII was writing the first Encyclical
of his pontificate, often they write the first ones themselves until they remember they can assign the task to someone else, he received word that Germany and Russia had invaded Poland and thus that World War II had begun. He laments the beginning of the war and asks everyone to pray for Poland until she is free again.

He also takes shots at Hitler and the third Reich.
Among other things he critcizes the false nationalism of the nazis, the neo-paganism of the nazis, the nazis' rejection of Christianity, the statism of the nazis, etc.

The accusation that he was silent is false. I think news of the war resulted in a shorter Encyclical as his attention shifted from trying to negotiate peace and thus avoid war, to alleviating the suffering caused by the war.

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