Why the six-plant guideline

[just the facts]

reality checker wrote:

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The united states has the ability to drop nuclear bombs on pretty much the entire world. Does this mean we ARE dropping those bombs? No. Just having the ability to do something does NOT mean we ARE doing it. Show us the statistics on mendocino county adult marijuana production compared to all other counties in Californa to back up your statement, please. Otherwise shut the hell up.

Is this the same reality checker who calls for respectful dialogue?

It is a fact, not subject to interpretation, that Mendocino County allows the highest amount of mature marijuana to be grown by each commercial grower of any county in California.

Twenty five plants with no canopy restriction times X number of phony pot cards = the higest production of marijuana per grower of any county in California. That is why the commercial growers move here in large numbers. That is why you moved here isn't it?

The number of plants pulled in Lake says nothing about the number actually grown. We have way more growers in Mendo than in Lake. Lake just does a better job of pulling plants because they don't have Measure G that tries to tie the hands of law enforcement.

[writch]

just the facts wrote:

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Twenty five plants with no canopy restriction times X number of phony pot cards = the higest production of marijuana per grower of any county in California.

I just wanted to point out that while you folks keep repeating this, I'm still not seeing any citations for these counterfeit medical recommendations that you keep claiming.

I'm still assuming it's a lie.

[Hey_over_here]

AssUME away - it just makes an ASSoutaU and well me...and just the facts...we know it's true.

[MendocinoNotMend o]

writch wrote:

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I just wanted to point out that while you folks keep repeating this, I'm still not seeing any citations for these counterfeit medical recommendations that you keep claiming.
I'm still assuming it's a lie.

i don't believe they're referring to forged/faked documents, but to the fact that there are numerous "doctors" who set up shop solely to write prop 215 recommendations, where you essentially just pay for your card

[Watcher]

Truth Seeker is wrong!!!

The American College of Physicians does not support the smoking of marijuana, however it does support continued research of the medical efficacy of THC and cannabinoids.

The AMA states clearly that there is nothing medicinal about smoking anything. Below are quotes from recently released statements by the AMA.

1 “Of comparable or greater concern, are potential adverse effects of cannabinoids and marijuana smoke on the immune, respiratory, cardiovascular, and reproductive systems, and the potential for enhancing carcinogenesis."

2 “In addition to effects attributable to THC, the chronic effects of marijuana smoke are of perhaps greater concern than marijuana’s acute safety profile. Like tobacco, chronic marijuana smoking is associated with lung damage, increased symptoms of chronic bronchitis, and possibly increased risk of lung cancer.”

3 “The AMA recommends that marijuana be retained in Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act.”

One thing to watch out for is the way pro pot people like to play word games when presenting the opinions of others. If a report says that THC has medical benefits in several types of patients, this doesn’t mean that smoking marijuana has medical validity.

Penicillin comes from moldy bread but they are not the same thing, How ever I believe that if moldy bread cost $3,000.00 a pound and got you high, the pot growers would start trying to convince us that it’s penicillin.

The contents of cigarette smoke and pot smoke are over 90% similar. One has nicotine and the other has THC. Both have a long list of toxic carbon compounds and gases plus many known carcinogens. The AMA has stated that it would be extremely hypocritical for it to on the one hand condemn cigarettes and on the other hand condone the smoking of marijuana.

There is nothing medicinal about smoking or eating marijuana. There are numerous and unnecessary poisonous compounds and no dosage control. The benefits of THC have been known for decades. That’s why we have pill form THC,“Marinol”.

The only reason for organic marijuana is for getting high and getting rich. Most of the marijuana that is sold today ends up in the hands of school kids under the age of 18 years old. This has been verified by countless Private, Federal and State Government, Educational and Law Enforcement studies.

If you care about the health and educations of children and the truth,

Vote yes on B

[writch]

MendocinoNotMendo wrote:

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i don't believe they're referring to forged/faked documents, but to the fact that there are numerous "doctors" who set up shop solely to write prop 215 recommendations, where you essentially just pay for your card

Yeah, the regular docs are being threatened by the feds (have been for decades, actually).

But if you go to a valid physician, and have a valid condition under the law, where's the 'phony' come in?

In my case, I'm perfectly fine with smoking a treatment for cancer in order to treat my arthritis. It beats the hell out of Vioxx.

And it's actually CURING it.

[James M Kinder]

reality checker wrote:

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The united states has the ability to drop nuclear bombs on pretty much the entire world. Does this mean we ARE dropping those bombs? No. Just having the ability to do something does NOT mean we ARE doing it. Show us the statistics on mendocino county adult marijuana production compared to all other counties in Californa to back up your statement, please. Otherwise shut the hell up.

Smoke another bong hit. You don't have a multi-billion dollar industry a quarter ounce at a time.

[James M Kinder]

MendocinoNotMendo wrote:

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i don't believe they're referring to forged/faked documents, but to the fact that there are numerous "doctors" who set up shop solely to write prop 215 recommendations, where you essentially just pay for your card

Why not let the Federal Government take care of your problems for you? Guaranteed anonymity and a hefty reward to boot!

"In conjunction its Investigation and Prosecution effort in Mendocino, the IRS is offering rewards to informants on those marijuana cultivators evading taxes in violation of the Money Laundering Control Act of 1986 and section 6050 of the Internal Revenue Code. Anonymous tips can be submitted to the IRS High Intensity Money Laundering and Related Financial Crime (HIFCA)Task Force at www.irs.gov/compliance/enforcement .

How to claim a reward:

IRS Publication 733 details the regulations for claiming a reward. You must complete IRS Form 211. Your information can be delivered personally to any IRS office, or you can write to:

Head of the Criminal Investigation Division
Internal Revenue Service
Washington, DC 20224

If a recovery is made as a direct result of information you provided, you may qualify for a reward of 15% of the amount recovered including taxes, fines and penalties, but not interest -- with a maximum payment of $2 million.

If your information was valuable, although not specific, in determining liability, you may be rewarded with as much as 10% of the amount recovered, again with a $2 million cap.

If your information was the originating cause of the investigation, but had no direct relationship to the determination of tax liability, the reward is 1% of the amount recovered, again with that $2 million limit.

Using an assumed name
If you're not claiming a reward for the information, you can use an assumed name. But if you want to claim a reward, you must use your own name. The IRS is legally prohibited from disclosing the identity of an informer to unauthorized persons.

In 2003, the IRS paid out $4 million to informants who helped the IRS pursue 190 cases, which together recouped more than $61 million in taxes owed. IRS statistics show that the agency has paid an average of 2.74% of recovered taxes as rewards to informants since 1967."

[writch]

Hey_over_here wrote:

AssUME away - it just makes an ASSoutaU and well me...and just the facts...we know it's true.

But we DON'T have the facts. We just have your endless repetition that it IS a fact.

There's a pretty famous quotation about how one repeats a lie long enough it 'becomes' true, but if I was to go into too much depth there, someone would accuse me of breaking 'Godwins Law'.

Still, you can put your money where your mouth is.

Has there been an arrest of ANY sort having to do with some kind of fraud that you can actually cite?

[just the facts]

writch wrote:

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Yeah, the regular docs are being threatened by the feds (have been for decades, actually).
But if you go to a valid physician, and have a valid condition under the law, where's the 'phony' come in?

Federal court rulings that went all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court confrim the right of doctors to prescribe marijuana for their patients. That is a fact. See Conant vs. Waters.

Unless you are from another planet you know that it is not difficult to get a card. If you are really sick, your regular doctor will probably issue one.

But if you just want to be a grower, either for personal use or commercially, then you go to the "pot doctor" and say you have headaches or back pain. You pay a fee, you get your card. Sweet. Now you are legal.

You are not actually claiming that there is no fraud involved in issueing or using the medical cards are you?

[James M Kinder]

just the facts wrote:

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Federal court rulings that went all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court confrim the right of doctors to prescribe marijuana for their patients. That is a fact. See Conant vs. Waters.
Unless you are from another planet you know that it is not difficult to get a card. If you are really sick, your regular doctor will probably issue one.
But if you just want to be a grower, either for personal use or commercially, then you go to the "pot doctor" and say you have headaches or back pain. You pay a fee, you get your card. Sweet. Now you are legal.
You are not actually claiming that there is no fraud involved in issueing or using the medical cards are you?

See the U.S. Suprememe Court's ruling in the Raisch case. The Feds can outlaw "medical" marijuana. Period. It is called Federal Preemption.

[writch]

just the facts wrote:

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Federal court rulings that went all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court confrim the right of doctors to prescribe marijuana for their patients. That is a fact. See Conant vs. Waters.
Unless you are from another planet you know that it is not difficult to get a card. If you are really sick, your regular doctor will probably issue one.
But if you just want to be a grower, either for personal use or commercially, then you go to the "pot doctor" and say you have headaches or back pain. You pay a fee, you get your card. Sweet. Now you are legal.
You are not actually claiming that there is no fraud involved in issueing or using the medical cards are you?

No, I went to my (new) doctor because I broke my collarbone and had to get a doctor locally, and I told them about the pot doctor, and they agreed that it was ok for me, but wouldn't touch a recommendation card with a ten foot pole.

Crap, I had to get 'percocet'(codeine with Tylenol) because they won't just prescribe codeine anymore (junkies can open the caps and pour it into spoons, yano).

When I was a kid, and I hurt myself, there was PLENTY of pain meds for injuries.

After Reagan, I couldn't get more than aspirin for a sprain for almost a decade.

The doctors would ALL generally prescribe more pain meds (and cleaner ones) if the feds weren't riding them (I worked with a lot of doctors for a long time).

I bet, if the feds would let them be, they might even go back to using heroin clinically. It's a much cleaner drug used in a number of other countries.

I would have been fine with paying my new doc for the recommendation. It's not like anyone within five feet of me when I stretch can't hear everything in my body pop at times. They probably could have done the 'examination' from across the room.

Nobody will disturb that 500 lb. gorilla though.

[writch]

James M Kinder wrote:

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See the U.S. Suprememe Court's ruling in the Raisch case. The Feds can outlaw "medical" marijuana. Period. It is called Federal Preemption.

That's not quite accurate, James.

The actual way it worked out is that Angel Raich was not allowed an injunction prohibiting the feds from arresting her.

The question of whether or not they can outlaw the drug wasn't on that bench for decision.

SCOTUS is sometimes kind of weird like that (throwing stuff back into the mix).

[nm tt]

Willits Girl wrote:

Watching and listening to all this hate. B is a power trip. It keeps illegal people illegal and medical people become criminals. Our jails don't need to be filled with people who chose pot over pharmeceuticals. I agree that there is a huge zoning issue, but B doesn't address that. The B coalition has money. Wonder why, well you should. They are using out and out lies and disgustingly huge endorsments by the Wineries. The real ones who pollute our enviroment with pesticide and take all the water!! Alcohol is a huge presence in this county, and it's only getting worse. B openly admits they want people to stop getting $20-$25 and hour for work and start accepting $8 an hour wages. Is that really a reason to hand out felonies over marijuana? I have lived around here all my life and never known any violent or polluting pot growers but Meth is what they're really describing. Don't believe the hype. They're counting on your ignorance of pollitics to win this. The papers are so obviously bias. Good journalism won't take a side. Don't let money buy politics. Why is the Republican party giving so much money to B? Where are the medical people who support B if that's who it protects? There is some valid complaints but B is a smoke screen to not truely address those rotten apples. B creates so much crime, stop the oppressors. Vote No on B and save our community!

mnn

[James M Kinder]

writch wrote:

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That's not quite accurate, James.
The actual way it worked out is that Angel Raich was not allowed an injunction prohibiting the feds from arresting her.
The question of whether or not they can outlaw the drug wasn't on that bench for decision.
SCOTUS is sometimes kind of weird like that (throwing stuff back into the mix).

Read the decision. The holding is narrow but the dicta makes it clear what the Court will do if ever asked. Medical marijuana is a farce.

[writch]

James M Kinder wrote:

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Read the decision. The holding is narrow but the dicta makes it clear what the Court will do if ever asked. Medical marijuana is a farce.

I did read the decision (parts of it on the air, actually), because we were following the suit on our show in ABQ at the time.

Of course, I'm not a lawyer, but we have plenty of them in the community who were able to comment on it.

The case involved the question of preliminary injunction.

Angel lost.

Angel didn't go to jail as a result.

It was a 'win/win' case as ASA put it. If we win the case, we win. If we lose the case, we don't lose anything but the ability to stuff a ball gag in their faces.

It's mostly 'commerce clause' stuff, anyway (dealing with the question of federalism, not medicine).

SCOTUS could have done the 'judicial activism' thing and stopped it right there (it was a VERY close decision), but they didn't.

Here's a small writeup, but you can see that what's being addressed is not the medicinal value but the 'commerce clause'(the right of the federal government to regulate commerce among the states).

Respondents claim that enforcing the CSA against them would violate the Commerce Clause and other constitutional provisions. The District Court denied respondents’ motion for a preliminary injunction, but the Ninth Circuit reversed, finding that they had demonstrated a strong likelihood of success on the claim that the CSA is an unconstitutional exercise of Congress’ Commerce Clause authority as applied to the intrastate, noncommercial cultivation and possession of cannabis for personal medical purposes as recommended by a patient’s physician pursuant to valid California state law. The court relied heavily on United States v. Lopez, 514 U.S. 549, and United States v. Morrison, 529 U.S. 598, to hold that this separate class of purely local activities was beyond the reach of federal power.

It's from Cornell.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-1454...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Raic...

[Tipsters Work Overtime]

As Prices Rise, Crime Tipsters Work Overtime
Daron Dean for The New York Times
Published: May 18, 2008

To gas prices, foreclosure rates and the cost of rice, add this rising economic indicator: the number of tips to the police from people hoping to collect reward money.

For tips that bring results, programs in most places pay $50 to $1,000, with some jurisdictions giving bonuses for help solving the most serious crimes, or an extra “gun bounty” if a weapon is recovered.

“Crime doesn’t pay but we do,” say the mobile billboards cruising Jacksonville, Fla. A poster in Jackson, Tenn., draws a neat equation:“Ring Ring + Bling Bling = Cha-Ching.” The bling, in this case, is a pair of handcuffs.

Sergeant Johnson has been a Crime Stoppers coordinator for 15 years, watching crime rates and tips fluctuate. But, he said,“I’ve never seen an increase like it is now.”

Crime Stoppers programs strictly protect the anonymity of callers. Each tip is assigned a number, and if the tip results in an arrest, the caller can collect a cash reward, usually by going to a designated bank. Some programs pay tipsters within hours of an arrest; others have monthly meetings to approve reward amounts.

Some people have made a cottage industry of calling in tips.“We have people out there that, realistically, this could be their job,” said Sgt. Zachary Self, who answers Crime Stoppers calls for the Macon Police Department.“Two or three arrests per week, you could make $700,$750 per week,” Sergeant Self said.“You could make better than a minimum-wage job.”

In conjunction its Investigation and Prosecution effort in Mendocino, the IRS is offering rewards to informants on those marijuana cultivators evading taxes in violation of the Money Laundering Control Act of 1986 and section 6050 of the Internal Revenue Code. Anonymous tips can be submitted to the IRS High Intensity Money Laundering and Related Financial Crime (HIFCA)Task Force at www.irs.gov/compliance/enforcement .

How to claim a reward:
IRS Publication 733 details the regulations for claiming a reward. You must complete IRS Form 211. Your information can be delivered personally to any IRS office, or you can write to:
Head of the Criminal Investigation Division
Internal Revenue Service
Washington, DC 20224

If a recovery is made as a direct result of information you provided, you may qualify for a reward of 15% of the amount recovered including taxes, fines and penalties, but not interest -- with a maximum payment of $2 million.

[Watcher]

Willits Girl wrote:
"Watching and listening to all this hate. B is a power trip. It keeps illegal people illegal and medical people become criminals. Our jails don't need to be filled with people who chose pot over pharmeceuticals. I agree that there is a huge zoning issue, but B doesn't address that. The B coalition has money. Wonder why, well you should. They are using out and out lies and disgustingly huge endorsments by the Wineries. The real ones who pollute our enviroment with pesticide and take all the water!! Alcohol is a huge presence in this county, and it's only getting worse. B openly admits they want people to stop getting $20-$25 and hour for work and start accepting $8 an hour wages. Is that really a reason to hand out felonies over marijuana? I have lived around here all my life and never known any violent or polluting pot growers but Meth is what they're really describing. Don't believe the hype. They're counting on your ignorance of pollitics to win this. The papers are so obviously bias. Good journalism won't take a side. Don't let money buy politics. Why is the Republican party giving so much money to B? Where are the medical people who support B if that's who it protects? There is some valid complaints but B is a smoke screen to not truely address those rotten apples. B creates so much crime, stop the oppressors. Vote No on B and save our community!"
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The Measure B issue is a division between (1) the No On B people who don't believe that drugs cause a problem in our schools and that all these drug dealers are nothing more than new age entrepreneurs, and (2) the Yes On B people who are tired of drug dealers using lies to hurt our kids and fill our schools with pot and for bringing their lawlessness to our streets and public lands.

You are either bold face lying about your life in Mendocino or you have lived your entire life in a dreamland.

It's time for you to wake up and it's time for the child poisoning drug dealers to go away.

[Realist]

It is truly incredible to listen to all the MJ advocates talk about the tragedy that will follow Measure B's passage. The few legitimate medical marijuana patients will continue to get their medicine, and law enforcment will leave them alone. The only tragedy will be all the dirt bags who may not be able to make all that easy money by growing and selling illegal drugs. And those drugs do end up in the hands of kids. Don't believe for a minute that these people are interested in anything other than making large sums of easy money, without regard to the huge problems they cause to our society.

[Bob]

Watcher wrote:

Willits Girl wrote:
"Watching and listening to all this hate. B is a power trip. It keeps illegal people illegal and medical people become criminals. Our jails don't need to be filled with people who chose pot over pharmeceuticals. I agree that there is a huge zoning issue, but B doesn't address that. The B coalition has money. Wonder why, well you should. They are using out and out lies and disgustingly huge endorsments by the Wineries. The real ones who pollute our enviroment with pesticide and take all the water!! Alcohol is a huge presence in this county, and it's only getting worse. B openly admits they want people to stop getting $20-$25 and hour for work and start accepting $8 an hour wages. Is that really a reason to hand out felonies over marijuana? I have lived around here all my life and never known any violent or polluting pot growers but Meth is what they're really describing. Don't believe the hype. They're counting on your ignorance of pollitics to win this. The papers are so obviously bias. Good journalism won't take a side. Don't let money buy politics. Why is the Republican party giving so much money to B? Where are the medical people who support B if that's who it protects? There is some valid complaints but B is a smoke screen to not truely address those rotten apples. B creates so much crime, stop the oppressors. Vote No on B and save our community!"
__________
The Measure B issue is a division between (1) the No On B people who don't believe that drugs cause a problem in our schools and that all these drug dealers are nothing more than new age entrepreneurs, and (2) the Yes On B people who are tired of drug dealers using lies to hurt our kids and fill our schools with pot and for bringing their lawlessness to our streets and public lands.
You are either bold face lying about your life in Mendocino or you have lived your entire life in a dreamland.
It's time for you to wake up and it's time for the child poisoning drug dealers to go away.

You are now calling marijuana a poison??
Can you give us the lethal dose amount?

Does the lying never cease?

Voye no on B