Should state mandate immunizations? N...

Should state mandate immunizations? New requirements effective in July

There are 9774 comments on the Chattanoogan.com story from May 4, 2011, titled Should state mandate immunizations? New requirements effective in July. In it, Chattanoogan.com reports that:

Immunizations are one of the most efficient and cost-effective ways to protect children against childhood diseases and Tennessee law requires documented immunizations.

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Geeze

Lexington, TN

#9828 Jul 24, 2014
WTH wrote:
<quoted text>OK, so how many of those have happened in you county in the past seven years?
Measles Vaccine - Although secondary transmission of the vaccine virus has never been documented, measles virus RNA has been detected in the urine of the vaccinees as early as 1 day or as late as 14 days after vaccination.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2...

In France, measles virus was isolated in a throat swab of a recently vaccinated child 4 days after fever onset. The virus was then further genetically characterised as a vaccine-type virus.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11858860...

Chicken Pox Vaccine - Vaccine-strain chickenpox has been found replicating in the lung
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/193/7/9...
and documented as transmtting via zoster (shingles sores) http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content...
as well as “classic” chickenpox http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5...
rash post-vaccination.

Oral Polio Vaccine (OPV)- In areas of the world where OPV is still used, children who have been vaccinated with it pass the virus into the water supply through the oral/feces route. Other children who then play in or drink that water pick up the vaccine viruses, which can pass from person to person and spark new outbreaks of polio.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/21149823/#.U9EkILEm...

FluMist Vaccine - The mist contains live attenuated influenza viruses that must infect and replicate in cells lining the nasopharynx of the recipient to induce immunity. Vaccine viruses capable of infection and replication can be cultured from nasal secretions obtained from vaccine recipients.

Transmission of a vaccine virus from a FluMist recipient to a contact was documented in a pre-licensing trial. The contact had a mild symptomatic Type B virus infection confirmed as a FluMist vaccine virus.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/acip/201...

Rotavirus Vaccine (RotaTeq)- There is a possibility that one strain of rotavirus which is presently circulating may be an “escaped” vaccine strain, from an old Finnish rotavirus vaccine.
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF...
Geeze

Lexington, TN

#9829 Jul 24, 2014
WTF wrote:
<quoted text>That is correct. I think I'll post this again. The tin-foil hat brigade loves it when I do this.
http://archive.theleafchronicle.com/usatoday/...
Hum. They didn't cite VAERS.

Are you kidding me? These researchers are doing a study on vaccine safety and they don’t even bother to include reports of vaccine side effects sent into this federal program?

VAERS was set up, and is run by the CDC and FDA, to collect data about adverse reactions from vaccines. Also, vaccine manufacturers, by law, must report any side effects they are aware of to VAERS.

The program receives over 30,000 reports annually. And it says that 13 percent of those are “serious.” Things like disability, life-threatening illness…and death. Since it started collecting data in 1990, it’s received over 200,000 such reports.

And magically, none of those reports made it into this “study.”

But the researchers wanted to make sure it looked like they were doing their job. That is if you don’t look too far.

So they included a brief mention of what they called “rare but actual side effects.” Things like the MMR shot causing seizures, or the flu vaccine causing diarrhea, or the rotavirus vaccine giving some kids a serious bowel disorder.

Well that’s certainly “reassuring!”

But here’s the icing on the cake — and it will explain a lot.

Nine out of 10 of the authors of this study come from the RAND Corporation. That’s the mostly federally funded “think tank” that produces “official” studies to support its sponsors.

And two big RAND “clients” are GlaxoSmithKline and Merck.

Unfortunately that news won’t make it into the headlines. Because if it did, those headlines would read something like this:

“Study sponsored by Big Pharma claims its vaccines are safe. Ignores over 200,000 reports of adverse effects.”

And if it said that, I doubt we ever would have seen the story.
- See more at: http://hsionline.com/2014/07/17/vaccine-alert...
Geeze

Lexington, TN

#9830 Jul 24, 2014
And then there's this.
Piglets who contract either of these 2 viruses waste away in a manner eerily similar to AIDS.
What will this do to kids?(These 2 hitchhikers were found in excess of 10x the target virus)
We don't know, or even seem to care.
just give us our money.

http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/29/deep-sequen...
HPV for all

Johnson City, TN

#9831 Jul 24, 2014
I think it takes more lives each year than all the Bush family wars combined but what the heck true freedom is to die early saving the rich from tax increases .
Zeke

Paris, TN

#9832 Jul 24, 2014
Geeze wrote:
And then there's this.
Piglets who contract either of these 2 viruses waste away in a manner eerily similar to AIDS.
What will this do to kids?(These 2 hitchhikers were found in excess of 10x the target virus)
We don't know, or even seem to care.
just give us our money.
http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/29/deep-sequen...
Did you get to the end of the article you cited?

For now it is my hope that people will not interpret this study as putting vaccines in a bad light but rather as reflecting the intense attention placed on vaccine safety using all the latest tools. It is only because of cheaper sequencing that these sorts of studies are possible. People should not be alarmed or over-react to every virus detection unless there is concrete evidence of human infection and pathogenicity. Viral metagenomics can both discover new viruses and improve the safety of existing vaccines. Its use early in the development of vaccines should help ensure their purity.

Another time in which you have misrepresented the research.
WTH

Knoxville, TN

#9833 Jul 24, 2014
Geeze wrote:
<quoted text>
Measles Vaccine - Although secondary transmission of the vaccine virus has never been documented, measles virus RNA has been detected in the urine of the vaccinees as early as 1 day or as late as 14 days after vaccination.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2...
In France, measles virus was isolated in a throat swab of a recently vaccinated child 4 days after fever onset. The virus was then further genetically characterised as a vaccine-type virus.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11858860...
Chicken Pox Vaccine - Vaccine-strain chickenpox has been found replicating in the lung
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/193/7/9...
and documented as transmtting via zoster (shingles sores) http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content...
as well as “classic” chickenpox http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5...
rash post-vaccination.
Oral Polio Vaccine (OPV)- In areas of the world where OPV is still used, children who have been vaccinated with it pass the virus into the water supply through the oral/feces route. Other children who then play in or drink that water pick up the vaccine viruses, which can pass from person to person and spark new outbreaks of polio.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/21149823/#.U9EkILEm...
FluMist Vaccine - The mist contains live attenuated influenza viruses that must infect and replicate in cells lining the nasopharynx of the recipient to induce immunity. Vaccine viruses capable of infection and replication can be cultured from nasal secretions obtained from vaccine recipients.
Transmission of a vaccine virus from a FluMist recipient to a contact was documented in a pre-licensing trial. The contact had a mild symptomatic Type B virus infection confirmed as a FluMist vaccine virus.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/acip/201...
Rotavirus Vaccine (RotaTeq)- There is a possibility that one strain of rotavirus which is presently circulating may be an “escaped” vaccine strain, from an old Finnish rotavirus vaccine.
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF...
So, none then, huh.
WTH

Knoxville, TN

#9834 Jul 24, 2014
Geeze wrote:
And then there's this.
Piglets who contract either of these 2 viruses waste away in a manner eerily similar to AIDS.
What will this do to kids?(These 2 hitchhikers were found in excess of 10x the target virus)
We don't know, or even seem to care.
just give us our money.
http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/29/deep-sequen...
Yes, I see that It is a great point!

"For now it is my hope that people will not interpret this study as putting vaccines in a bad light but rather as reflecting the intense attention placed on vaccine safety using all the latest tools. It is only because of cheaper sequencing that these sorts of studies are possible. People should not be alarmed or over-react to every virus detection unless there is concrete evidence of human infection and pathogenicity."
WTH

Knoxville, TN

#9835 Jul 24, 2014
HPV for all wrote:
I think it takes more lives each year than all the Bush family wars combined but what the heck true freedom is to die early saving the rich from tax increases .
That's one of the dumbest statements yet.
Geeze

Lexington, TN

#9836 Jul 25, 2014
Zeke wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you get to the end of the article you cited?
For now it is my hope that people will not interpret this study as putting vaccines in a bad light but rather as reflecting the intense attention placed on vaccine safety using all the latest tools. It is only because of cheaper sequencing that these sorts of studies are possible. People should not be alarmed or over-react to every virus detection unless there is concrete evidence of human infection and pathogenicity. Viral metagenomics can both discover new viruses and improve the safety of existing vaccines. Its use early in the development of vaccines should help ensure their purity.
Another time in which you have misrepresented the research.
Yes, the "we must sooth any possible fears" caveat.
Poor fella wanted to keep his funding.

And, hey! People are vastly different from pigs, so don't you fret one bit.

Well, unless you need a heart valve transplant....
Zeke

Paris, TN

#9837 Jul 25, 2014
Geeze wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, the "we must sooth any possible fears" caveat.
Poor fella wanted to keep his funding.
And, hey! People are vastly different from pigs, so don't you fret one bit.
Well, unless you need a heart valve transplant....
You post reveals more about you than than the author. How in God's name do you know what is going on that his head.

If you attribute motives to the author then you cannot object to my attributing to you.

You simply don't like the government telling you what to do. You especially don't like the government requiring immunization for children. No doubt you regard children as property of the parent.

Knowing that this argument will not carry much weight, you search "evidence", hardly scientific because it is often anecdotal, that requiring vaccinations is harmful--does more harm than good, and that qualified medical researchers are all crooked-- being driven by greed.

Your posts reflect an all or none position on who is required to be vaccinated. You ignore the fact that medical researchers are aware of, and are working towards reduction of risk in vaccinations. You have no understanding of science, and so your posts lack credibility to those who have a minimal understanding of science in general.

It is clear that you believe that any one who disagrees with your ill informed opinions are deluded, if not evil.

I say ill-informed because of your repeated failures correctly interpreting research reports that you cite.
Geeze

Lexington, TN

#9838 Jul 26, 2014

Since: Aug 13

Jacksonville, FL

#9839 Jul 26, 2014
I think yes shots should be mandated for the health and safety of our children. In the past 2 months children have gone over sea's and come back w/ whopping cough and mumps because those countries don't mandate or can't afford shots. I watched a program that said they did research on shots and autism they said the shots had nothing to do w/ it. I don't know if they do or not but seems to me if they did more kids would get autism especially since the shots now are the shots our parents and we got. When you decide to have children you take on their wants and needs no the government shouldn't have to pay for anybody's kids. The parents should pay for their health care, food, education, etc that's most of the problem w/ government today ppl except the government to pay for everything which is us the tax payers not the government.

If anybody has seen old film footage of kids in iron lungs, they'll get polio shots for,their kids. During the 1970's at least, they stopped giving small pox because they said it had been totally eradicated. Seems the nasty thing was still lurking. Not talking Chicken Pox. Small Pox is like C/Pox n steroids. It used to kill. There was the remnants of an old house wheee I grew up. The story was an old lady got 'The Pox' and died. The men of the community torched the house to get rid of the germ. People were scared that bad of it.

Since: Aug 13

Jacksonville, FL

#9840 Jul 26, 2014
Yes, I see that It is a great point!
"For now it is my hope that people will not interpret this study as putting vaccines in a bad light but rather as reflecting the intense attention placed on vaccine safety using all the latest tools. It is only because of cheaper sequencing that these sorts of studies are possible. People should not be alarmed or over-react to every virus detection unless there is concrete evidence of human infection and pathogenicity."

I think what bothers me is that they start tiny little babies on these shots. And, they give them in multiples! MMR is a prime example. Their systems are so new and so delicate, is it possible to spread them out over a greater time frame? Is the immunization that soon, that important? We don't live in a third world country where those diseases are that rampant.
REO

Cookeville, TN

#9841 Jul 26, 2014
I agree Smegma! You nailed that one right on! A very intelligent post!
WTH

Knoxville, TN

#9842 Jul 26, 2014
Smeagain wrote:
Yes, I see that It is a great point!
"For now it is my hope that people will not interpret this study as putting vaccines in a bad light but rather as reflecting the intense attention placed on vaccine safety using all the latest tools. It is only because of cheaper sequencing that these sorts of studies are possible. People should not be alarmed or over-react to every virus detection unless there is concrete evidence of human infection and pathogenicity."
I think what bothers me is that they start tiny little babies on these shots. And, they give them in multiples! MMR is a prime example. Their systems are so new and so delicate, is it possible to spread them out over a greater time frame? Is the immunization that soon, that important? We don't live in a third world country where those diseases are that rampant.
Not really. MMR isn't usually given until the child is a year old. Yeah, we don't live in a third world country where those diseases are rampant. Guess why? Because our children are immunized!! That's one of the things that makes us NOT BE a third world country. Maybe we should stop pasteurizing milk too, huh?
WTH

Knoxville, TN

#9843 Jul 26, 2014
Smeagain wrote:
I think yes shots should be mandated for the health and safety of our children. In the past 2 months children have gone over sea's and come back w/ whopping cough and mumps because those countries don't mandate or can't afford shots. I watched a program that said they did research on shots and autism they said the shots had nothing to do w/ it. I don't know if they do or not but seems to me if they did more kids would get autism especially since the shots now are the shots our parents and we got. When you decide to have children you take on their wants and needs no the government shouldn't have to pay for anybody's kids. The parents should pay for their health care, food, education, etc that's most of the problem w/ government today ppl except the government to pay for everything which is us the tax payers not the government.
If anybody has seen old film footage of kids in iron lungs, they'll get polio shots for,their kids. During the 1970's at least, they stopped giving small pox because they said it had been totally eradicated. Seems the nasty thing was still lurking. Not talking Chicken Pox. Small Pox is like C/Pox n steroids. It used to kill. There was the remnants of an old house wheee I grew up. The story was an old lady got 'The Pox' and died. The men of the community torched the house to get rid of the germ. People were scared that bad of it.
Totally agree.
Zeke

Paris, TN

#9844 Jul 26, 2014
Geeze wrote:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu bmed/16512356
You are confused about the meaning of the terms "autoimmunization" and "immunization"

Again, you don't understand the science.
Zoey

Forrest City, AR

#9845 Jul 26, 2014
Autoimmunization and immunization are typically very different, considering the metaphysical controversial manners in which they are given. Philosophically speaking, they are theoretically the same. But I think we'd all agree, they have astronomical differences which we cannot ignore.
Zeke

Paris, TN

#9846 Jul 26, 2014
Zoey wrote:
Autoimmunization and immunization are typically very different, considering the metaphysical controversial manners in which they are given. Philosophically speaking, they are theoretically the same. But I think we'd all agree, they have astronomical differences which we cannot ignore.
Autoimmunization:

the process whereby a person's immune system develops antibodies against one or more of the person's own tissues. See also autoantibody, autoantigen, autoimmune disease.

Immunizatation

A process or procedure that protects the body against an infectious disease. A vaccination is a type of immunization.

Nothing metaphysical here--medicine, not philosophy

But Geeze seems to have confuse the two.
Zoey

Forrest City, AR

#9847 Jul 27, 2014
Yes, Geeze seems to believe there's some sort of common transvestational transparency that links the two together. Technically speaking that would be incorrect. But from a purely hypothetical and even more-so fictionally based point of view, there is a chance one could misinterpret the difference between them.

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