Immunizations are one of the most efficient and cost-effective ways to protect children against childhood diseases and Tennessee law requires documented immunizations.
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#9633 Jun 26, 2014
#9635 Jun 26, 2014
In the USA?
#9636 Jun 26, 2014
Post #9632 & 9634 are missing.
#9637 Jun 26, 2014
So what is your point with this post?
#9638 Jun 27, 2014
Why should I? You have never bothered to prove anything YOU say.
“Trust is earned!”
Since: Jan 12
B.C. MI... lives in dayton
#9639 Jun 27, 2014
I think the point is that since were talking about such a important topic and there is a control of information campaign going on now more then ever... maybe these two responses were something that the powers that be did not want us to see.. duhhhhhh
#9640 Jun 27, 2014
#9641 Jun 27, 2014
It is more likely that they were posts that contained inappropriate language.
#9642 Jun 27, 2014
Are you assuming that it was antivaccine posts that were taken down? If indeed this were the there can be only one or two of the following three reasons
1. Inappropriate language as one has already suggested.
2. Truly scientific evidence that vaccines create more harm than good was presented.
3. The posts were too stupid even for Topix.
Given that 2 never been prodiced here, nor has it been provided by any credible source, there is prima facie evidence that the problem with the two posts is one or both of the other alternatives. To be kind, we can go with 1.
I wonder where you got the evidence for your claim that
there is a control of information campaign going on now more then ever...
Are you a bit paranoid? Or perhaps you are another crackpot conspiriacy theorist?
#9643 Jun 27, 2014
Actually, it was an opinion, my thoughts regarding tobacco science, lead paint & industry backed studies.
The revolving door between regulatory agencies & the private sector, a couple of links to FDA conflict of interest statements & an easy guide to help others find information of this kind.
I posted it twice, it was removed both times.
Conjecture what you will.
“Trust is earned!”
Since: Jan 12
B.C. MI... lives in dayton
#9644 Jun 27, 2014
I'm a military veteran and I know how the govt operates. I don't have the time,energy nor the willingness to try and bring you out of the dark. Just do what they want all of us to do.. go on with our daily lives and act like nothing,,. Like everything is everything.. I have a dinner with friends to go to so you have yourself a wonderful day
#9645 Jun 27, 2014
The most shocking thing about your post? That you have FRIENDS!! Can that be right? Oh, you were in the military and that makes you an expert on "how the government works". Damn, dude, I doubt it.
#9646 Jun 27, 2014
So post it again.
#9647 Jun 27, 2014
I can tell you from my own experience in the military that you learned no more about the way government works while in the military than you have as a civilian.
It is you that is in the dark. You simply have unfounded suspicions.
#9648 Jun 27, 2014
I had the pox and measles and the mumps and I will not get them again. WHY?
#9649 Jun 27, 2014
Here are some links. The last 2 posts vanished, so we'll see.
If you don't have subscriptions to these journals the full papers should be available through your local library.
Autoimmune hazards of hepatitis B vaccine:
Abnormal measles-mumps-rubella antibodies and CNS autoimmunity in children with autism
Vaccine Model of Antiphospholipid Syndrome Induced by Tetanus Vaccine
Influenza vaccination can induce new-onset anticardiolipins but not β2-glycoprotein-I antibodies among patients with systemic lupus erythematosus
Early diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis vaccination associated with higher female mortality and no difference in male mortality in a cohort of low birthweight children: an observational study within a randomised trial
‘ASIA’– Autoimmune/Inflammatory Syndrome Induced by Adjuvants
ASIA: A New Way to Put the Puzzle Together: Autoimmune (autoinflammatory) syndrome induced by adjuvants provides a diagnostic framework for enigmatic conditions
The common immunogenic etiology of chronic fatigue syndrome: from infections to vaccines via adjuvants to the ASIA syndrome
Shoenfeld’s Syndrome After Pandemic Influenza A/H1N1 Vaccination (Download free full text by clicking ACTA Reumatologica Portuguesa in upper right corner.)
Autoimmunity Following Hepatitis B Vaccine as Part of the Spectrum of ‘Autoimmune (Auto-inflammatory) Syndrome Induced by Adjuvants’(ASIA): analysis of 93 cases
Is infant immunization a risk factor for childhood asthma or allergy?
Infection of Human B Lymphocytes with MMR Vaccine Induces IgE Class Switching
Delay in diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus vaccination is associated with a reduced risk of childhood asthma
Effects of diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis or tetanus vaccination on allergies and allergy-related respiratory symptoms among children and adolescents in the United States
Recombinant Hepatitis B Vaccine and the Risk of Multiple Sclerosis: a Prospective Study
CNS Demyelination and Quadrivalent HPV Vaccination.
Polymerase chain reaction detection of the hemagglutinin gene from an attenuated measles vaccine strain in the peripheral mononuclear cells of children with autoimmune hepatitis
Serological association of measles virus and human herpesvirus-6 with brain autoantibodies in autism
The majority of these studies address the link between autoimmunity & vaccines.
I wonder how long this post will last.
Since: Feb 13
#9650 Jun 28, 2014
#9651 Jun 28, 2014
i believe all children should have their shots up to date and that the state should try to help those who can not afford it
#9652 Jun 28, 2014
The CDC reports that in the United States, cases of whooping cough have increased approximately 10-fold in the last twenty years,
DESPITE AN INCREASE IN VACCINATION COVERAGE FROM 61% to 96%.
Numerous papers suggest that the reason why is due to the inadequate type of immune response generated by the acellular pertussis vaccine versus the previous whole-cell pertussis. Protection against pertussis relies on both humoral immunity and on cellular Th1-type immune responses . Seemingly of critical importance are recent studies showing that while the whole-cell pertussis generated a strong antigen-specific Th1 response, aP vaccines induced mixed Th1/Th2 responses in humans. It is also important to note that at the time the aP vaccine component was introduced, the technology and know-how did not exist to compare these types of immune responses. However, now that this capability exists and given the apparent failure of the vaccine to illicit long lasting immunity, it seems crucial that public health authorities and vaccine manufacturers address this problem.
While the change in antigen presentation may be sufficient to cause the change in vaccine efficacy, there may be other possible explanations worth exploring as well. The first of these explanations centers on the use of aluminum adjuvants in many vaccines, including DTaP. Aluminum has been shown to preferentially generate a Th2-type response. In recent years, the use of aluminum adjuvants that induce a strong Th2 response by a mechanism not yet fully understood has increasingly come under criticism by vaccine safety advocates. Given the rapid rise of childhood chronic illness, such as allergies and asthma, that are mediated by Th2 responses, this criticism seems warranted and worthy of investigation. The use of adjuvants that stimulate a Th2 response in a vaccine for a disease that requires a Th1 response leads to a less effective vaccine that has a higher safety risk. Of course, back in the late 1980s the need for Th1 response for clearance of pertussis or the tendency of aluminum adjuvants to produce a Th2 response (while suppressing the Th1) was unknown and not yet on the scientific radar. But now these facts are known and are part of the mainstream published scientific literature.
Regardless of the cause or causes, the increasing failure of the pertussis vaccine requires serious investigation. The unwillingness to honestly inquire about the nature of the failure (presumably because it might cast doubt on the use of aluminum adjuvants, our overall approach to the vaccine program and the safety of grandfathered in products in an ever-changing world) is just another of a long list of examples of the public health authorities refusing to support the vaccine program with adequate research. It is this kind of failure, that has parents questioning the logic of the CDC, and many ultimately deciding that the unseen benefits do not outweigh the potential risks.
Two other thoughts. You will never find a case of pertussis where PCR sequencing was performed to determine if the child died of pertussis or para-pertussis, these two bacteria cause the same symptoms. Many research scientists are concerned that by suppressing pertussis, we have allowed para-pertussis to flourish.
Second, pertussis is known to be mutating, making the current vaccine formula suspect in causing this transformation just have antibiotics are the culprit behind MRSA.
#9653 Jun 28, 2014
This bring us to vaccine failure & disease transmission.
On the subject of failure:
Why Do Pertussis Vaccines Fail?
Articles citing this article are accessible from this page.
Selection of Hepatitis B Virus (HBV) Vaccine Escape Mutants in HBV-Infected and HBV/HIV-Coinfected Patients Failing Antiretroviral Drugs With Anti-HBV Activity
Measles outbreak in a fully immunized secondary-school population
Acellular pertussis vaccination facilitates Bordetella parapertussis infection in a rodent model of bordetellosis.
Considerations for Viral Disease Eradication: Lessons Learned and Future Strategies
Quote: Important and often overlooked, mass vaccinations itself can also exert tremendous selective pressures and lead to the evolution of new infectious agents.
Risk of vaccine failure after Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) combination vaccines with acellular pertussis
Subacute sclerosing panencephalitis–the continuing threat
(cut and paste link to download PDF)
Attenuated vaccines can recombine to form virulent field viruses
The Evolutionary Consequences of Blood-Stage Vaccination on the Rodent Malaria Plasmodium chabaudi
Vaccine-acquired Rotavirus Infection in Two Infants with Severe Combined Immunodeficiency
Long-Term Circulation of Vaccine-Derived Poliovirus That Causes Paralytic Disease
Molecular and Antigenic Characterization of a Highly Evolved Derivative of the Type 2 Oral Poliovaccine Strain Isolated from Sewage in Israel
Transmission of mumps virus from mumps-vaccinated individuals to close contact
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