Should state mandate immunizations? N...

Should state mandate immunizations? New requirements effective in July

There are 9774 comments on the Chattanoogan.com story from May 4, 2011, titled Should state mandate immunizations? New requirements effective in July. In it, Chattanoogan.com reports that:

Immunizations are one of the most efficient and cost-effective ways to protect children against childhood diseases and Tennessee law requires documented immunizations.

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Man

Henderson, TN

#9633 Jun 26, 2014
No
Get Real

Lexington, TN

#9635 Jun 26, 2014
WTH wrote:
<quoted text>They administer orally today, doofus.
In the USA?
Prove it.
Get Real

Lexington, TN

#9636 Jun 26, 2014
Post #9632 & 9634 are missing.

Interesting.
Festus

Paris, TN

#9637 Jun 26, 2014
Get Real wrote:
Post #9632 & 9634 are missing.
Interesting.
So what is your point with this post?
WTH

Knoxville, TN

#9638 Jun 27, 2014
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>
In the USA?
Prove it.
Why should I? You have never bothered to prove anything YOU say.

“Trust is earned!”

Since: Jan 12

B.C. MI... lives in dayton

#9639 Jun 27, 2014
Festus wrote:
<quoted text>
So what is your point with this post?
I think the point is that since were talking about such a important topic and there is a control of information campaign going on now more then ever... maybe these two responses were something that the powers that be did not want us to see.. duhhhhhh
Sara

Duncan, SC

#9640 Jun 27, 2014
Yes
WTH

Knoxville, TN

#9641 Jun 27, 2014
Billy Woods wrote:
<quoted text> I think the point is that since were talking about such a important topic and there is a control of information campaign going on now more then ever... maybe these two responses were something that the powers that be did not want us to see.. duhhhhhh
It is more likely that they were posts that contained inappropriate language.
Zeke

Paris, TN

#9642 Jun 27, 2014
Billy Woods wrote:
<quoted text> I think the point is that since were talking about such a important topic and there is a control of information campaign going on now more then ever... maybe these two responses were something that the powers that be did not want us to see.. duhhhhhh
i

Duh yourself.

Are you assuming that it was antivaccine posts that were taken down? If indeed this were the there can be only one or two of the following three reasons

1. Inappropriate language as one has already suggested.

2. Truly scientific evidence that vaccines create more harm than good was presented.

3. The posts were too stupid even for Topix.

Given that 2 never been prodiced here, nor has it been provided by any credible source, there is prima facie evidence that the problem with the two posts is one or both of the other alternatives. To be kind, we can go with 1.

I wonder where you got the evidence for your claim that

there is a control of information campaign going on now more then ever...

Are you a bit paranoid? Or perhaps you are another crackpot conspiriacy theorist?
Get Real

Lexington, TN

#9643 Jun 27, 2014
Zeke wrote:
<quoted text>i
Duh yourself.
Are you assuming that it was antivaccine posts that were taken down? If indeed this were the there can be only one or two of the following three reasons
1. Inappropriate language as one has already suggested.
2. Truly scientific evidence that vaccines create more harm than good was presented.
3. The posts were too stupid even for Topix.
Given that 2 never been prodiced here, nor has it been provided by any credible source, there is prima facie evidence that the problem with the two posts is one or both of the other alternatives. To be kind, we can go with 1.
I wonder where you got the evidence for your claim that
there is a control of information campaign going on now more then ever...
Are you a bit paranoid? Or perhaps you are another crackpot conspiriacy theorist?
Actually, it was an opinion, my thoughts regarding tobacco science, lead paint & industry backed studies.
The revolving door between regulatory agencies & the private sector, a couple of links to FDA conflict of interest statements & an easy guide to help others find information of this kind.
I posted it twice, it was removed both times.
Conjecture what you will.

“Trust is earned!”

Since: Jan 12

B.C. MI... lives in dayton

#9644 Jun 27, 2014
Zeke wrote:
<quoted text>i
Duh yourself.
Are you assuming that it was antivaccine posts that were taken down? If indeed this were the there can be only one or two of the following three reasons
1. Inappropriate language as one has already suggested.
2. Truly scientific evidence that vaccines create more harm than good was presented.
3. The posts were too stupid even for Topix.
Given that 2 never been prodiced here, nor has it been provided by any credible source, there is prima facie evidence that the problem with the two posts is one or both of the other alternatives. To be kind, we can go with 1.
I wonder where you got the evidence for your claim that
there is a control of information campaign going on now more then ever...
Are you a bit paranoid? Or perhaps you are another crackpot conspiriacy theorist?
I'm a military veteran and I know how the govt operates. I don't have the time,energy nor the willingness to try and bring you out of the dark. Just do what they want all of us to do.. go on with our daily lives and act like nothing,,. Like everything is everything.. I have a dinner with friends to go to so you have yourself a wonderful day
Didntsee

Knoxville, TN

#9645 Jun 27, 2014
Billy Woods wrote:
<quoted text> I'm a military veteran and I know how the govt operates. I don't have the time,energy nor the willingness to try and bring you out of the dark. Just do what they want all of us to do.. go on with our daily lives and act like nothing,,. Like everything is everything.. I have a dinner with friends to go to so you have yourself a wonderful day
The most shocking thing about your post? That you have FRIENDS!! Can that be right? Oh, you were in the military and that makes you an expert on "how the government works". Damn, dude, I doubt it.
Zeke

Paris, TN

#9646 Jun 27, 2014
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, it was an opinion, my thoughts regarding tobacco science, lead paint & industry backed studies.
The revolving door between regulatory agencies & the private sector, a couple of links to FDA conflict of interest statements & an easy guide to help others find information of this kind.
I posted it twice, it was removed both times.
Conjecture what you will.
So post it again.
Zeke

Paris, TN

#9647 Jun 27, 2014
Billy Woods wrote:
<quoted text> I'm a military veteran and I know how the govt operates. I don't have the time,energy nor the willingness to try and bring you out of the dark. Just do what they want all of us to do.. go on with our daily lives and act like nothing,,. Like everything is everything.. I have a dinner with friends to go to so you have yourself a wonderful day
I can tell you from my own experience in the military that you learned no more about the way government works while in the military than you have as a civilian.

It is you that is in the dark. You simply have unfounded suspicions.
Mee

Cookeville, TN

#9648 Jun 27, 2014
WTH wrote:
<quoted text>How old were they when they were vaccinated? I assume only one shot, right?
I had the pox and measles and the mumps and I will not get them again. WHY?
Get Real

Lexington, TN

#9649 Jun 27, 2014
Zeke wrote:
<quoted text>
So post it again.
Opinion aside.
Here are some links. The last 2 posts vanished, so we'll see.
If you don't have subscriptions to these journals the full papers should be available through your local library.

Autoimmune hazards of hepatitis B vaccine:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/...

Abnormal measles-mumps-rubella antibodies and CNS autoimmunity in children with autism
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534

Vaccine Model of Antiphospholipid Syndrome Induced by Tetanus Vaccine
http://lup.sagepub.com/content/21/2/195.abstr...

Influenza vaccination can induce new-onset anticardiolipins but not &#946;2-glycoprotein-I antibodies among patients with systemic lupus erythematosus
http://lup.sagepub.com/content/21/2/168.abstr...

Early diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis vaccination associated with higher female mortality and no difference in male mortality in a cohort of low birthweight children: an observational study within a randomised trial
http://adc.bmj.com/content/early/2012/02/13/a...

‘ASIA’– Autoimmune/Inflammatory Syndrome Induced by Adjuvants
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20708902

ASIA: A New Way to Put the Puzzle Together: Autoimmune (autoinflammatory) syndrome induced by adjuvants provides a diagnostic framework for enigmatic conditions
http://www.the-rheumatologist.org/details/art...

The common immunogenic etiology of chronic fatigue syndrome: from infections to vaccines via adjuvants to the ASIA syndrome
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22054760

Shoenfeld’s Syndrome After Pandemic Influenza A/H1N1 Vaccination (Download free full text by clicking ACTA Reumatologica Portuguesa in upper right corner.)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21483283

Autoimmunity Following Hepatitis B Vaccine as Part of the Spectrum of ‘Autoimmune (Auto-inflammatory) Syndrome Induced by Adjuvants’(ASIA): analysis of 93 cases
http://lup.sagepub.com/content/21/2/146.abstr...

Is infant immunization a risk factor for childhood asthma or allergy?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9345669

Infection of Human B Lymphocytes with MMR Vaccine Induces IgE Class Switching
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11513549

Delay in diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus vaccination is associated with a reduced risk of childhood asthma
http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749%...

Effects of diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis or tetanus vaccination on allergies and allergy-related respiratory symptoms among children and adolescents in the United States
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10714532

Recombinant Hepatitis B Vaccine and the Risk of Multiple Sclerosis: a Prospective Study
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15365133

CNS Demyelination and Quadrivalent HPV Vaccination.
http://msj.sagepub.com/content/15/1/116.short

Polymerase chain reaction detection of the hemagglutinin gene from an attenuated measles vaccine strain in the peripheral mononuclear cells of children with autoimmune hepatitis
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF...

Serological association of measles virus and human herpesvirus-6 with brain autoantibodies in autism
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9756729

The majority of these studies address the link between autoimmunity & vaccines.

I wonder how long this post will last.

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#9650 Jun 28, 2014
"Third Baby Dies From Whooping Cough In California."

Click here:
http://www.mercurynews.com/rss/ci_26046664...
dhj

Oak Ridge, TN

#9651 Jun 28, 2014
Top Mod 8 wrote:
Should the state should mandate immunizations for your children? Do you feel they are safe for all children. Do they cause other health issues like autism? Should the state also pay for them as well if they are requiring them?
i believe all children should have their shots up to date and that the state should try to help those who can not afford it
Get Real

Lexington, TN

#9652 Jun 28, 2014
WTSenior wrote:
"Third Baby Dies From Whooping Cough In California."
Click here:
http://www.mercurynews.com/rss/ci_26046664...
The CDC reports that in the United States, cases of whooping cough have increased approximately 10-fold in the last twenty years,
DESPITE AN INCREASE IN VACCINATION COVERAGE FROM 61% to 96%.
Numerous papers suggest that the reason why is due to the inadequate type of immune response generated by the acellular pertussis vaccine versus the previous whole-cell pertussis. Protection against pertussis relies on both humoral immunity and on cellular Th1-type immune responses . Seemingly of critical importance are recent studies showing that while the whole-cell pertussis generated a strong antigen-specific Th1 response, aP vaccines induced mixed Th1/Th2 responses in humans. It is also important to note that at the time the aP vaccine component was introduced, the technology and know-how did not exist to compare these types of immune responses. However, now that this capability exists and given the apparent failure of the vaccine to illicit long lasting immunity, it seems crucial that public health authorities and vaccine manufacturers address this problem.

While the change in antigen presentation may be sufficient to cause the change in vaccine efficacy, there may be other possible explanations worth exploring as well. The first of these explanations centers on the use of aluminum adjuvants in many vaccines, including DTaP. Aluminum has been shown to preferentially generate a Th2-type response. In recent years, the use of aluminum adjuvants that induce a strong Th2 response by a mechanism not yet fully understood has increasingly come under criticism by vaccine safety advocates. Given the rapid rise of childhood chronic illness, such as allergies and asthma, that are mediated by Th2 responses, this criticism seems warranted and worthy of investigation. The use of adjuvants that stimulate a Th2 response in a vaccine for a disease that requires a Th1 response leads to a less effective vaccine that has a higher safety risk. Of course, back in the late 1980s the need for Th1 response for clearance of pertussis or the tendency of aluminum adjuvants to produce a Th2 response (while suppressing the Th1) was unknown and not yet on the scientific radar. But now these facts are known and are part of the mainstream published scientific literature.
Regardless of the cause or causes, the increasing failure of the pertussis vaccine requires serious investigation. The unwillingness to honestly inquire about the nature of the failure (presumably because it might cast doubt on the use of aluminum adjuvants, our overall approach to the vaccine program and the safety of grandfathered in products in an ever-changing world) is just another of a long list of examples of the public health authorities refusing to support the vaccine program with adequate research. It is this kind of failure, that has parents questioning the logic of the CDC, and many ultimately deciding that the unseen benefits do not outweigh the potential risks.

Two other thoughts. You will never find a case of pertussis where PCR sequencing was performed to determine if the child died of pertussis or para-pertussis, these two bacteria cause the same symptoms. Many research scientists are concerned that by suppressing pertussis, we have allowed para-pertussis to flourish.
Second, pertussis is known to be mutating, making the current vaccine formula suspect in causing this transformation just have antibiotics are the culprit behind MRSA.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2...
Get Real

Lexington, TN

#9653 Jun 28, 2014
This bring us to vaccine failure & disease transmission.

On the subject of failure:

Why Do Pertussis Vaccines Fail?
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content...
Articles citing this article are accessible from this page.

Selection of Hepatitis B Virus (HBV) Vaccine Escape Mutants in HBV-Infected and HBV/HIV-Coinfected Patients Failing Antiretroviral Drugs With Anti-HBV Activity
http://journals.lww.com/jaids/Fulltext/2007/1...

Measles outbreak in a fully immunized secondary-school population
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3821823

Acellular pertussis vaccination facilitates Bordetella parapertussis infection in a rodent model of bordetellosis.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20200027

Considerations for Viral Disease Eradication: Lessons Learned and Future Strategies
Quote: Important and often overlooked, mass vaccinations itself can also exert tremendous selective pressures and lead to the evolution of new infectious agents.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php...

Risk of vaccine failure after Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) combination vaccines with acellular pertussis
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/arti...

Subacute sclerosing panencephalitis–the continuing threat
(cut and paste link to download PDF)
hrcak.srce.hr/file/43654

Disease Transmission:

Attenuated vaccines can recombine to form virulent field viruses
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/337/6091/18...

The Evolutionary Consequences of Blood-Stage Vaccination on the Rodent Malaria Plasmodium chabaudi
http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info%3Adoi...

Vaccine-acquired Rotavirus Infection in Two Infants with Severe Combined Immunodeficiency
http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749%...

Long-Term Circulation of Vaccine-Derived Poliovirus That Causes Paralytic Disease
http://jvi.asm.org/content/76/13/6791.full

Molecular and Antigenic Characterization of a Highly Evolved Derivative of the Type 2 Oral Poliovaccine Strain Isolated from Sewage in Israel
http://jcm.asm.org/content/38/10/3729.full

Transmission of mumps virus from mumps-vaccinated individuals to close contact
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21983359

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