These alleged presentations would need footnoting and reference material in order to be presented at either organization. Scientists have a habit of referring to studies, data compilations and the like. Just extract the references from the power point presentations that exist somewhere in your mind and cite them here. That's the biggest loiad of crap so far, man. You GOT to have a better story than that.Everyone who pays attention knows that CDC routinely lies, I mean exaggerates, the dangers and deaths from the flu each year in order to make sure to sell more flu vaccines to keep their masters, I mean the pharmaceutical industry, happy.
According to CDC statistics ‘influenza and pneumonia’ took 62,034 lives in 2001—61,777 of which were attributable to pneumonia and 257 to flu, and in only 18 cases was the flu virus positively identified.
You see, the CDC has created one overall category that combines both flu and pneumonia deaths. Why do they do this? Because they disingenuously assume that the pneumonia deaths are complications stemming from the flu.
Say what??? CDC claimed there were over 60,000 deaths in 2001 from flu and pneumonia but there were really only 18 confirmed deaths from flu.
Sounds like more of the same lies they told around the supposed swine flu outbreak in 2009-10 when they said the swine flu was rampant but state health department records showed that only a fraction (2%-3%) of those diagnosed with swine flu actually had any sort of flu as confirmed by a blood test.
As for citing sources.
Many of the posts from me come from power point presentations from the CDC, FDA & other agencies.I have no way to post a link to these, as they are saved to my hard drive. How did that happen, you ask? I was there, numbnuts.
When you cross check these stats with state agencies, the lies are exposed.
Maybe you could could learn how to think for yourself & investigate these claims, you know, exert some effort.
You little sheep, you.
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#9579 Jun 23, 2014
Ha and this shouldnt have to be said but state needs to mandate county fire departments.
#9580 Jun 23, 2014
Give a man a fish, feed him for a day.
Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime.
Here's how it's done.
Suppose you want to find out what kinds of kids are included in vaccine clinical trials evaluating vaccine safety and effectiveness. Is it an accurate representation of the population of kids that will be receiving the vaccines? What was used as the placebo?
One option for finding this information is going over to clinicaltrials.gov and using their search function. If you were wondering about Prevnar, you’d want to use the search words:
pneumococcal conjugate vaccine safety
That search takes you here:
The second study down is this one http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT0036634...
an evaluation of the “new”(13 valent) Prevnar that will soon be released, where you can see that the “placebo” is the “original Prevnar”, and the “inclusion and exclusion criteria” for the study are described as:
Healthy 2-month-old infants.
Available for the entire study period.
Previous vaccination with any vaccine before the start of the study.
Known contraindication to vaccination.
Since the placebo being used is a different version of Prevnar, you then might wonder what the trials were like for the “original” version of the vaccine. Now you need to jump over to Google Scholar to search for older trials, and using the keywords “randomized controlled” with the name of the vaccine (pneumococcal conjugate vaccine) as your search terms. Do that, and this is where you will end up
.http://scholar.google.com/sch olar?hl=en&lr=&q=pneum ococcal+conjugate+vaccine+%22r andomized+controlled%22&bt nG=Search
The first study listed is a dead end, but the second one, when you click the “all of X versions” button, takes you here,
and when you click through the options you find that the second to last one listed is this, a full-text version of the article.
In addition to finding that the placebo used in this trial was a meningococcal type C conjugate vaccine (an experimental vaccine) you find that that the inclusion/exclusion criteria was defined like this:
Healthy infants were randomized 1:1 to receive either the heptavalent pneumococcal conjugate or the meningococcus type C conjugate vaccine at 2, 4, 6, and 12 to 15 months of age. Children with sickle-cell disease, known immunodeficiency, any serious chronic or progressive disease, a history of seizures, or a history of either pneumococcal or meningococcal disease were excluded.
You just have to understand how they play the game. Then link the pieces together.
Is it time consuming? Of course it is.
How wicked is it these guys will use an experimental vaccine as a placebo?
They did that with the HPV vaccine. France & Japan have pulled those from the shelves btw.
#9581 Jun 23, 2014
Just don't have kids. That way you don't have to worry. Plus you aren't responsible for someone's death.
#9582 Jun 24, 2014
These are voluntary clinical trials which has ZERO to do with any of the discussion here. You keep trying to re-direct the subject away from the pure speculation and conspiracy theories you post. If you were to have ANY real, documented facts about this subject, people might read and discuss them. Since you really have no facts about the stuff you post, you seem to think that any old link to any study will do. It won't. You just don't have any credibility.
#9583 Jun 24, 2014
I say just say know its Gods will if you get it what ever it turns out to be so your death will be Gods will lets just hope it isn't a born fetus who dies because of the parents decision .
#9584 Jun 24, 2014
Most of the answers you seek can only be found in journals which require a paid subscription.
Even if I linked the cited studies, unless you have a paid subscription, you couldn't view it.
You accuse me of dishonesty & the inability to digest the information in those studies.
You, on the other hand, obviously lack the internal fortitude or financial means to access the information.
In my last post, I proved an experimental vaccine was used as placebo in a clinical trial. It's done all the time. This practice flies in the face of honest scientific method. You aren't even phased, so your level of understanding is suspect.
Let me give it to you in a simple mathematical equation even a middle school child could understand.
The exclusion criteria + a reactive placebo = big profits for a vaccine industry which is shielded from liability.
You, sir, are the one lacking integrity.
#9585 Jun 24, 2014
The flu vaccine was effective for only 9% of seniors over 65 years old. In other words, 91% of seniors in the study who were vaccinated still ended up getting the flu.
Overall, the CDC claimed this year’s flu vaccine was “moderately effective” and made the unprovable claim that “influenza vaccination reduced the risk for medical visits resulting from influenza A and B by 56%.”
But since young people generally have stronger immune systems than seniors it’s unclear how many of the younger test subjects would not have gotten the flu whether they were vaccinated or not.
It seems that the figure for seniors is far more accurate as to the actual effectiveness of the vaccine precisely because they have weaker immune systems.
According to their own data, a strong immune system is the best preventative measure against the flu, but Big Pharma doesn’t make any money from that.
Finally, the CDC concludes the report with a recommendation to increase the use of flu vaccines; “This report highlights the value of both increasing the use of influenza vaccines, especially among children and young adults, and continuing efforts to develop more effective vaccines and vaccination strategies.”
If a 91% failure rate is “nonsignificant” to the CDC, what level of failure must be reached for them to disavow vaccines?
#9586 Jun 24, 2014
The CDC has a habit of citing studies by Poul Thorsen.
A fraud, a thief, a liar.
#9587 Jun 24, 2014
As usual you are evading the issue. In reputable work one must provide exact sources. Whether the sources are accessible through subscriptiom is not relevant.
You response provides further evidence that you lack understanding.
Your silly equation, itself needs to be referenced.
#9588 Jun 24, 2014
1. One bad person in an organization is not evidence that the whole organization is corrupt. Again you confuse specific examples (anecdotal evidence) counting as scientific evidence.
2. Provide precise references of the CDC citing studies by Thorson.
#9589 Jun 24, 2014
You don't understand the statistical meaning of significance. The paragraph in which you seem to be referencing in your last statement is.
Confirmation of the protective benefits of the 2012–13 influenza vaccine among persons aged 6 months–64 years offers further support for the public health benefit of annual seasonal influenza vaccination and supports the expansion of vaccination, particularly among younger age groups. The nonsignificant adjusted VE of 9% against A (H3N2) among persons aged ≥65 years is similar to the estimate in a recent interim report from Europe (6) and reinforces the need for continued advances in influenza vaccines, especially to increase protective benefits for older adults.
The use of "nonsignificant" here means that there is no evidence that the use of that particular vaccine does not reduce the chances of getting that flu. Note how the report makes use of the the this knowledge "reinforces the need for continued advances ..."
#9590 Jun 24, 2014
Note credibility does not mean the same thing as integrity.
#9591 Jun 24, 2014
That's bullsh1t and we both know it. You can't produce ANY facts to back up your claims. So in some secret vault that can only be obtained by subscription lies the proof that 97% of measles recurrance is by people who are vaccinated? No, I have nothing to prove because I have made no claims that I cannot prove AND document. You, on the other hand are a bullsh1t artist, and not even a very good one.
#9592 Jun 24, 2014
I think we're debating with a fool. I don't recall seeing a claim of perfection related to flu vaccine. In fact, health agencies everywhere point out that vaccines are produced as a reaction to "expected" strains of flu each season. Flu mutates often and requires reformulation. Still, the percentage of prevention is pretty good. This person is the most dangerous kind. They think they are smart and just throw a lot of different info on the wall to see if it sticks to anyone.
#9593 Jun 24, 2014
That has absolutely NOTHING to do with you inability to produce fact. So what you are saying is that you have PowerPoint presentations that document your claims, but they were somehow linked to this Thorsen guy so they are no good? WTH?
#9594 Jun 24, 2014
Actually YOUR report says
"Annual vaccination is the mainstay of influenza prevention, but overall effectiveness of the influenza vaccine is moderate and varies by year, virus type, and population subgroup. Early unadjusted interim estimates of overall vaccine effectiveness (VE) for the 2012–13 season indicated the vaccine was 62% effective among all ages at preventing medically attended, laboratory-confirmed influenza A and B virus infections."
62% overall effectiveness. That doesn't sound much like a 91% failure rate there genius.
#9595 Jun 24, 2014
I lack understanding?
You don't have access to those exact sources without a subscription, so yes, it's quite relevant.
#9597 Jun 24, 2014
Tell you what. You put those references up there and when I link to it, I'll subscribe if it looks legit.
#9598 Jun 24, 2014
There is now conclusive proof that vaccinations are in no way linked to any health issues. I could prove this to you, but you'd have to subscribe to a service and it costs 5 trillion dollar a day to access it. Sorry, you'll have to take my word for it.
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