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Should state mandate immunizations? New requirements effective in July

There are 9614 comments on the Chattanoogan.com story from May 4, 2011, titled Should state mandate immunizations? New requirements effective in July. In it, Chattanoogan.com reports that:

Immunizations are one of the most efficient and cost-effective ways to protect children against childhood diseases and Tennessee law requires documented immunizations.

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Refuser

Lexington, TN

#9515 Jun 10, 2014
Did you know that vaccines have been deemed "unavoidably unsafe" by the US Supreme Court?

So whenever anyone tells you vaccines are perfectly safe, you might want to point them to this.

Up until February of 2011, an individual harmed or killed by a vaccine could sue the vaccine manufacturer in civil court if the individual were unhappy with the decision or compensation awarded by the vaccine court.

But in Feb. 2011 all that changed as the court ruled the following:

“No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings.”§300aa–22(b)(1).

Justice Sotomayer wrote a vigorous dissent:

"the Court excises 13 words from the statutory text, misconstrues the Act’s legislative history, and disturbs the careful balance Congress struck between compensating vaccine-injured children and stabilizing the childhood vaccine market. Its decision leaves a regulatory vacuum in which no one ensures that vaccine manufacturers adequately take account of scientific and technological advancements when designing or distributing their products. Because nothing in the text, structure, or legislative history of the Vaccine Act remotely suggests that Congress intended such a result, I respectfully dissent."

How is it that any company can be free of liability for their products?

And why would any intelligent person trust the products of a company that is?
Roger

Paris, TN

#9516 Jun 10, 2014
Refuser wrote:
Did you know that vaccines have been deemed "unavoidably unsafe" by the US Supreme Court?
So whenever anyone tells you vaccines are perfectly safe, you might want to point them to this.
Up until February of 2011, an individual harmed or killed by a vaccine could sue the vaccine manufacturer in civil court if the individual were unhappy with the decision or compensation awarded by the vaccine court.
But in Feb. 2011 all that changed as the court ruled the following:
“No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings.”§300aa–22(b)(1).
Justice Sotomayer wrote a vigorous dissent:
"the Court excises 13 words from the statutory text, misconstrues the Act’s legislative history, and disturbs the careful balance Congress struck between compensating vaccine-injured children and stabilizing the childhood vaccine market. Its decision leaves a regulatory vacuum in which no one ensures that vaccine manufacturers adequately take account of scientific and technological advancements when designing or distributing their products. Because nothing in the text, structure, or legislative history of the Vaccine Act remotely suggests that Congress intended such a result, I respectfully dissent."
How is it that any company can be free of liability for their products?
And why would any intelligent person trust the products of a company that is?
We should all take comfort that natural selection will take care of all those who think as you do.
refuser

Lexington, TN

#9517 Jun 11, 2014
Rodger,

The only class of drugs fully protected from any and all litigation is vaccines.

If the company that made the car you drive was shielded from any and all liability, would you but their cars? I mean seriously, what incentive would they have to produce a safe product when the consequences of a poorly thought out down right dangerous product are zero.

I suggest you go get some yard darts & play outside with your kids, oh, wait....

rathernotsay

Nashville, TN

#9518 Jun 11, 2014
For you people who are against vaccinations......one little question. Why do we not have polio diagnoses anymore? At least not like there were prior to the vaccine. That's just one example. It's not complicated
Native Tennessean

Hendersonville, TN

#9519 Jun 11, 2014
Yes, if you are going to send your child to public school you should be required to give them the vaccinations. You don't have the right to allow your unimmunized children to infect other children.

There is a lot of good science out there which completely debunks the claims of immunizations causing autism. Do some real research, and you'll see that is true.
Refuser

Lexington, TN

#9520 Jun 11, 2014
I'm just gonna leave this here.

http://articles.mcall.com/2014-06-10/news/mc-...
Get Real

Lexington, TN

#9521 Jun 12, 2014
rathernotsay wrote:
For you people who are against vaccinations......one little question. Why do we not have polio diagnoses anymore? At least not like there were prior to the vaccine. That's just one example. It's not complicated
Another example, Scarlet fever. The vaccine was so...hey, there's no vaccine for scarlet fever.
Get Real

Lexington, TN

#9522 Jun 12, 2014
Native Tennessean wrote:
Yes, if you are going to send your child to public school you should be required to give them the vaccinations. You don't have the right to allow your unimmunized children to infect other children.
There is a lot of good science out there which completely debunks the claims of immunizations causing autism. Do some real research, and you'll see that is true.
Actually, there's not.The man behind the studies touted by the CDC is a wanted fraud....
POUL THORSEN is a wanted fugitive & the researcher who authored 21 of the 24 government studies that the CDC says prove vaccines don't cause autism. He stole over a million in research money (U.S. tax dollars), was indicted on 22 counts
of Wire Fraud & Money laundering, committed forgery, purchased a new home, a Harley, an Audi, an SUV, and fled -- yet the CDC continues to base their claim of no link (vaccine/autism) on his research. He is 2nd on the list of the Inspector General's "Most Wanted" list.

https://oig.hhs.gov/fraud/fugitives/profiles....
Fail

Lexington, TN

#9523 Jun 12, 2014
Roger wrote:
<quoted text>
That is about segregated schools, and is similar to the ADA stuff you mentioned earlier. The cases are about discrimination--not that public schools are required by the feds.
God, you are dense. I never said an education was required, I said it could not be DENIED. Whether by disability, discrimination....or vax status, for that matter.
Felix

Paris, TN

#9524 Jun 12, 2014
Fail wrote:
<quoted text>
God, you are dense. I never said an education was required, I said it could not be DENIED. Whether by disability, discrimination....or vax status, for that matter.
You are quite dense--one cannot follow discriminatory practice (race, religion, and the like) in determining who to admit. You appear to be claiming that this applies to those whose decisions not to vaccinate are based on questionable scientific claims rather than for bona fide religious beliefs or verifiable medical conditions.
Felix

Paris, TN

#9525 Jun 12, 2014
Refuser wrote:
I'm just gonna leave this here.
http://articles.mcall.com/2014-06-10/news/mc-...
You are so right. Life was much better during the second decade of the 20th century.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/influenza-ep...
Get Real

Lexington, TN

#9526 Jun 12, 2014
Felix wrote:
<quoted text>
You are so right. Life was much better during the second decade of the 20th century.
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/influenza-ep...
Are you saying that the incidence of disease declined right about the time humans learned to wash their hands?

Maybe autism will end when we figure out that injecting infants with mercury is a bad idea.

Lunacy

Loudon, TN

#9528 Jun 13, 2014
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you saying that the incidence of disease declined right about the time humans learned to wash their hands?
Maybe autism will end when we figure out that injecting infants with mercury is a bad idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =8UAVBRg8wQ8XX
We don't you idiot. First, there are two TOTALLY different elements referred to as mercury. Second, no scientific link has ever been established to Autism. You dumbasses feed children hundreds of pounds of fast and process food with tons of chemicals and then go apesh1t about a couple of shots. How stupid are you people?

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#9529 Jun 13, 2014
Has any anti-vac skeptic seen the chart for mumps or Rubella?

The vaccine for mumps was released in 1967, when 185,691 people suffered from mumps in the USA. In 1985, only 2,982 cases were reported, a drop of over 98%.

In 1964, 20,000 babies were born with severe birth defects due to Rubella. The vaccine was released in 1969 when Rubella was widespread, infecting 60,000 that year. After decades of vaccination, now fewer than 400 cases are reported each year in the USA.

Same goes for polio, measles, etc. Look at the charts. All a vaccine is is a dead or weak virus. Just like with exercise, we overcome and get stronger.
Fail

Lexington, TN

#9530 Jun 13, 2014
When Immunity Fails: The Whooping Cough Epidemic, a documentary co-reported by KPBS and inewsource, examined the worst epidemic in California in 60 years. One that made thousands sick and killed 10 babies.

The investigation led to several scientific studies which found that immunity faded sooner than expected after people were vaccinated.

Wooten said even with decreased immunity, the vaccine helps to lessen the severity of the illness.

Currently, children and teenagers are required to get a total of six shots to be considered up to date.

Of the 621 people who got whooping so far this year, 527 were up-to-date, 67 were not, and the immunization status was unknown for 27.

The vast majority, more than 400, were between 10 and 18 years old.

The number of positive cases so far this year has already surpassed total cases for last year, suggesting 2014 is on track to be as bad or worse than the 2010 epidemic.

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2014/jun/12/immunize...

Naturally acquired immunity lasts a lifetime.
Felix

Paris, TN

#9531 Jun 13, 2014
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you saying that the incidence of disease declined right about the time humans learned to wash their hands?
Maybe autism will end when we figure out that injecting infants with mercury is a bad idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =8UAVBRg8wQ8XX
1. Soldiers in the trenches in WW 1 did not have the luxury of having clean water to wash their hands.

2. 95% of Americans don't wash their hands properly. If so then rather than the 50 million that died during the spanish flue pandemic in the 1910's, 47.5. Mullion would have died.

3. Safe minds = quack quack, crank science
Felix

Paris, TN

#9532 Jun 13, 2014
Fail wrote:
When Immunity Fails: The Whooping Cough Epidemic, a documentary co-reported by KPBS and inewsource, examined the worst epidemic in California in 60 years. One that made thousands sick and killed 10 babies.
The investigation led to several scientific studies which found that immunity faded sooner than expected after people were vaccinated.
Wooten said even with decreased immunity, the vaccine helps to lessen the severity of the illness.
Currently, children and teenagers are required to get a total of six shots to be considered up to date.
Of the 621 people who got whooping so far this year, 527 were up-to-date, 67 were not, and the immunization status was unknown for 27.
The vast majority, more than 400, were between 10 and 18 years old.
The number of positive cases so far this year has already surpassed total cases for last year, suggesting 2014 is on track to be as bad or worse than the 2010 epidemic.
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2014/jun/12/immunize...
Naturally acquired immunity lasts a lifetime.
Naturally acquired immunity: Ok, let the rest of those who are unfit die. The world will be a better place without the weak.(Remind you of anybody?)
Get Real

Lexington, TN

#9534 Jun 14, 2014
Lunacy wrote:
<quoted text>We don't you idiot. First, there are two TOTALLY different elements referred to as mercury. Second, no scientific link has ever been established to Autism. You dumbasses feed children hundreds of pounds of fast and process food with tons of chemicals and then go apesh1t about a couple of shots. How stupid are you people?
Two totally different elements? What about all the different man made compounded forms of mercury? Di-methylmercury has one of the most toxic profiles on earth.
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~toxmetal/about/trib...

Ethylmercury, the man made mercury found in vaccines is the exact form of mercury found in teething powders used in the 40's & 50's.
Considering this teething powder worked quite well, it was really popular. Of course killing all the nerves in a child's mouth was a tad extreme, Hey, the kid quit crying, and that was the point, right?
Funny thing though, 1 in 500 kids had a severe reaction to the compound. The palms of their hands & the soles of the feet turned bright red & the skin peeled off in sheets.
These children exhibited all the same symptoms of mercury poisoning. They were "mad as a hatter" (mercury salts used in the felting industry)
These individuals, well the ones who survived anyway, describe a world where touch was painful. Their hearing & other senses were affected, they exibited a gait refered to as "toe walking" it's the same gait seen in regressive autistics.
Their grandchildren have something in common too, they have an autism rate of 1 in 25.
Hum. The grandparents showed a distinct allergy to ethylmercury, now their grandkids who were given whopping doses of ethylmercury as infants via vaccines have a rate of autism higher than any other subset of individuals on the planet.
Then there was the drought & resulting famine in Iraq in 1971. The disaster was caused by grain imported from the US and Mexico that had been treated with the dangerous fungicide –(ethylmercury) which was meant to be planted, not eaten. Largely due to problems understanding the foreign-language labels of the grain, rural Iraqis ate it – with devastating effect. People who consumed the grain suffered a lack of sensation in the skin, along with red, blistering skin, bad physical coordination (toe walking), loss of sight, and even brain damage. It affected about 1 in 500. Hmmm, where have we seen this...never mind, just a coincidence, right?

If you were to actually follow the references cited by safeminds...follow them to sites like the Dartmouth Toxic Metals Research Superfund, you'd know just how un-quack safeminds is.

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~toxmetal/

Or just get a degree in chemistry & toxicology, then work in the field of toxic metals study for 3 decades.
Felix

Paris, TN

#9535 Jun 14, 2014
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>
Two totally different elements? What about all the different man made compounded forms of mercury? Di-methylmercury has one of the most toxic profiles on earth.
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~toxmetal/about/trib...
Ethylmercury, the man made mercury found in vaccines is the exact form of mercury found in teething powders used in the 40's & 50's.
Considering this teething powder worked quite well, it was really popular. Of course killing all the nerves in a child's mouth was a tad extreme, Hey, the kid quit crying, and that was the point, right?
Funny thing though, 1 in 500 kids had a severe reaction to the compound. The palms of their hands & the soles of the feet turned bright red & the skin peeled off in sheets.
These children exhibited all the same symptoms of mercury poisoning. They were "mad as a hatter" (mercury salts used in the felting industry)
These individuals, well the ones who survived anyway, describe a world where touch was painful. Their hearing & other senses were affected, they exibited a gait refered to as "toe walking" it's the same gait seen in regressive autistics.
Their grandchildren have something in common too, they have an autism rate of 1 in 25.
Hum. The grandparents showed a distinct allergy to ethylmercury, now their grandkids who were given whopping doses of ethylmercury as infants via vaccines have a rate of autism higher than any other subset of individuals on the planet.
Then there was the drought & resulting famine in Iraq in 1971. The disaster was caused by grain imported from the US and Mexico that had been treated with the dangerous fungicide –(ethylmercury) which was meant to be planted, not eaten. Largely due to problems understanding the foreign-language labels of the grain, rural Iraqis ate it – with devastating effect. People who consumed the grain suffered a lack of sensation in the skin, along with red, blistering skin, bad physical coordination (toe walking), loss of sight, and even brain damage. It affected about 1 in 500. Hmmm, where have we seen this...never mind, just a coincidence, right?
If you were to actually follow the references cited by safeminds...follow them to sites like the Dartmouth Toxic Metals Research Superfund, you'd know just how un-quack safeminds is.
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~toxmetal/
Or just get a degree in chemistry & toxicology, then work in the field of toxic metals study for 3 decades.
The people at safeminds, like you, have no idea of how to interpret scientific research. Hence the quack quack remark.

See the following for the connection between autism and the mercury in vaccines

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/00_pdf/CDCSt...
Felix

Paris, TN

#9536 Jun 14, 2014
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>
Two totally different elements? What about all the different man made compounded forms of mercury? Di-methylmercury has one of the most toxic profiles on earth.
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~toxmetal/about/trib...
Ethylmercury, the man made mercury found in vaccines is the exact form of mercury found in teething powders used in the 40's & 50's.
Considering this teething powder worked quite well, it was really popular. Of course killing all the nerves in a child's mouth was a tad extreme, Hey, the kid quit crying, and that was the point, right?
Funny thing though, 1 in 500 kids had a severe reaction to the compound. The palms of their hands & the soles of the feet turned bright red & the skin peeled off in sheets.
These children exhibited all the same symptoms of mercury poisoning. They were "mad as a hatter" (mercury salts used in the felting industry)
These individuals, well the ones who survived anyway, describe a world where touch was painful. Their hearing & other senses were affected, they exibited a gait refered to as "toe walking" it's the same gait seen in regressive autistics.
Their grandchildren have something in common too, they have an autism rate of 1 in 25.
Hum. The grandparents showed a distinct allergy to ethylmercury, now their grandkids who were given whopping doses of ethylmercury as infants via vaccines have a rate of autism higher than any other subset of individuals on the planet.
Then there was the drought & resulting famine in Iraq in 1971. The disaster was caused by grain imported from the US and Mexico that had been treated with the dangerous fungicide –(ethylmercury) which was meant to be planted, not eaten. Largely due to problems understanding the foreign-language labels of the grain, rural Iraqis ate it – with devastating effect. People who consumed the grain suffered a lack of sensation in the skin, along with red, blistering skin, bad physical coordination (toe walking), loss of sight, and even brain damage. It affected about 1 in 500. Hmmm, where have we seen this...never mind, just a coincidence, right?
If you were to actually follow the references cited by safeminds...follow them to sites like the Dartmouth Toxic Metals Research Superfund, you'd know just how un-quack safeminds is.
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~toxmetal/
Or just get a degree in chemistry & toxicology, then work in the field of toxic metals study for 3 decades.
Apparently, you make sh1t up to fit your ineducated, biased oponions.

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http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content...

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