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Should state mandate immunizations? New requirements effective in July

There are 9776 comments on the Chattanoogan.com story from May 4, 2011, titled Should state mandate immunizations? New requirements effective in July. In it, Chattanoogan.com reports that:

Immunizations are one of the most efficient and cost-effective ways to protect children against childhood diseases and Tennessee law requires documented immunizations.

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meMrsGrandma

Huntsville, TN

#7245 Apr 24, 2013
NO....health is none of the state or fed government's business. Should be decided by the parent.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7246 Apr 24, 2013
Done my homework wrote:
Why do you think so many food companies fought so hard against GMO labeling? It surely couldn't cost more than a fraction of a penny to include that with what is already required.
It's because the public is frequently scared off by unsubstantiated claims.

Look at the whole issue over vaccines. It's all based on one guys fraudulent claim, but the conspiracy theorists picked it up and ran with it. Now thousands of kids are dying as a result.

CLAIMS that GMO are dangerous have not been substantiated. Therefore, forcing food manufacturers to label their products "warning" customers about the presence of something which science has not shown requires a warning is needless fear mongering.

GMOs are in just about everything you buy. If they were responsible for some crazy health crisis, it would be obvious at this point.

All disease indicators have been in steady decline except obesity related illnesses and that's because of corn syrup not GMOs

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7247 Apr 24, 2013
meMrsGrandma wrote:
NO....health is none of the state or fed government's business. Should be decided by the parent.
If your decision as a parent puts your child's life in danger, shouldn't someone step in and protect the child?

At what point do we as a society stop you from killing your own child?
Hey

Cookeville, TN

#7248 Apr 24, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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It's because the public is frequently scared off by unsubstantiated claims.
Look at the whole issue over vaccines. It's all based on one guys fraudulent claim, but the conspiracy theorists picked it up and ran with it. Now thousands of kids are dying as a result.
CLAIMS that GMO are dangerous have not been substantiated. Therefore, forcing food manufacturers to label their products "warning" customers about the presence of something which science has not shown requires a warning is needless fear mongering.
GMOs are in just about everything you buy. If they were responsible for some crazy health crisis, it would be obvious at this point.
All disease indicators have been in steady decline except obesity related illnesses and that's because of corn syrup not GMOs
The whole issue on vaccines is way beyond one guy.
I have issues with the SV-40 cancer cells and the monkey viruses and rna that contaminated the polio vaccines which are being found in cancers showing up now.That little issue brought on Nixson's so called "War On Cancer." They knew there was big trouble brewing.
I have issues on the Bill Gates polio Vaccine wonders that have left 43,000 plus kids paralyzed in India.
No problem here just move along folks.How about we move along to autoimmune diseases being caused by animal viruses and mychoplasma brought to you by vaccines and a little bio-warfare ingredience.
How about Merck's Mumps Vaccine Fraud.Or how about Julie Gerberding,the former director of US-CDC-which makes US immunization schedule,becoming the President of Merck's vaccine unit which makes 14 of the 17 pediatric vaccines recommended by the CDC and 4 of 10 recommended for adults.
Mega revolving doors help alot.Keeps them vacs rolling out without too much resistance.Yes?
Check out Monsanto's revolving doors.That list is really long.
Hey

Cookeville, TN

#7249 Apr 24, 2013
61 countries (40% of the population)already lable GMOs. The entire EU, even Communist China. Wow communists have that freedom to know what they are spending their money on and putting in their bodies?Wow. Isn't that amazing? Oh add Russia to that list.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7250 Apr 24, 2013
Hey wrote:
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The whole issue on vaccines is way beyond one guy.
Actually it's not. It all started with Wakefield's fraudulent study that he put out as a means of marketing his replacement for the MMR vaccine. Before this, there were no claims. Afterwards, mayhem.
I have issues with the SV-40 cancer cells and the monkey viruses and rna that contaminated the polio vaccines which are being found in cancers showing up now.That little issue brought on Nixson's so called "War On Cancer." They knew there was big trouble brewing.
First of all, give us a link.

Second of all, you are claiming the MODERN vaccines are a problem because of vaccines from 40 years ago?

That's like saying Priuses are bad for the environment because look at the gas mileage on the Edsel.
I have issues on the Bill Gates polio Vaccine wonders that have left 43,000 plus kids paralyzed in India.
Again, citation?
No problem here just move along folks.How about we move along to autoimmune diseases being caused by animal viruses and mychoplasma brought to you by vaccines and a little bio-warfare ingredience.
How about Merck's Mumps Vaccine Fraud.Or how about Julie Gerberding,the former director of US-CDC-which makes US immunization schedule,becoming the President of Merck's vaccine unit which makes 14 of the 17 pediatric vaccines recommended by the CDC and 4 of 10 recommended for adults.
Mega revolving doors help alot.Keeps them vacs rolling out without too much resistance.Yes?
Check out Monsanto's revolving doors.That list is really long.
Again, citation, citation, citation...

As for policy maker to corporate position - that's commonplace through out the government. At least in the field of medicine, you can point to the fact that these people are highly specialized and there are only so many people with that level of specilization.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7251 Apr 24, 2013
Hey wrote:
61 countries (40% of the population)already lable GMOs. The entire EU, even Communist China. Wow communists have that freedom to know what they are spending their money on and putting in their bodies?Wow. Isn't that amazing? Oh add Russia to that list.
Yup. Of course, there's no actual regulation in China so whether or not something is labelled really is meaningless over there.

AFter all, China was the one sell plastic as dog food - remember?
hungry woman

United States

#7252 Apr 24, 2013
hae any of you been to T

Have any you been in an open relationship?

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Hey

Cookeville, TN

#7253 Apr 24, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
Yup. Of course, there's no actual regulation in China so whether or not something is labelled really is meaningless over there.
AFter all, China was the one sell plastic as dog food - remember?
Yes I remember the problems with contaminated junk from Communist China that was part of it being amazing that they labeled the GMOs.
Now if it's not an issues for food companies to label foods in 61 other countries isn't it amazing that the most powerful country in the world can't come up with doing this very same thing that folks in other countrie have the benefit of?
If my products were so wonderful I'd want to put that up every where.How about big letters on the front of the boxs and cans and every thing. Shout it from the roof tops not spend millions to keep it all hidden.
Well everything should be in plain boxs and such.That would be fair and even interesting.Maybe you want to buy a tv but the box you just bought was a box of tv trays.So what you don't need to know.I mean who the hell are you to know anything for that matter?
STUPID? YES.So is not knowing what your buying in your food.
Hey

Cookeville, TN

#7254 Apr 24, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
Yup. Of course, there's no actual regulation in China so whether or not something is labelled really is meaningless over there.
AFter all, China was the one sell plastic as dog food - remember?
Oh.How about the other 60 countries?

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7256 Apr 24, 2013
Hey wrote:
<quoted text> Yes I remember the problems with contaminated junk from Communist China that was part of it being amazing that they labeled the GMOs.
Now if it's not an issues for food companies to label foods in 61 other countries isn't it amazing that the most powerful country in the world can't come up with doing this very same thing that folks in other countrie have the benefit of?
If my products were so wonderful I'd want to put that up every where.How about big letters on the front of the boxs and cans and every thing. Shout it from the roof tops not spend millions to keep it all hidden.
Well everything should be in plain boxs and such.That would be fair and even interesting.Maybe you want to buy a tv but the box you just bought was a box of tv trays.So what you don't need to know.I mean who the hell are you to know anything for that matter?
STUPID? YES.So is not knowing what your buying in your food.
Like I said before...

You want labels because you fear this food because the people are telling you to fear this food, not because there's any specific evidence that anything is wrong. Putting "warnings" on products that have GMOs will just go further to heighten the perception that there is danger which has not been shown to be real.

If I started some bizarre rumor about how food picked by someone who is left handed causes cancer and enough people on the internet believed it, would that justify requiring companies to label food as "Lefty-Free"?

This is fear driving notification in the absence of evidence.

First get evidence, then ask for appropriate action. Don't demand action and then look for appropriate evidence.
Hey

Cookeville, TN

#7257 Apr 24, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
Like I said before...
You want labels because you fear this food because the people are telling you to fear this food, not because there's any specific evidence that anything is wrong. Putting "warnings" on products that have GMOs will just go further to heighten the perception that there is danger which has not been shown to be real.
If I started some bizarre rumor about how food picked by someone who is left handed causes cancer and enough people on the internet believed it, would that justify requiring companies to label food as "Lefty-Free"?
This is fear driving notification in the absence of evidence.
First get evidence, then ask for appropriate action. Don't demand action and then look for appropriate evidence.
How is it 61 other countries get the labels?
So peoples fears cause farmer's animals to become sterile?Sheep eat what's left of cotton plants and die.Are these animals fearful and therefore have these issues with GMOs?
Someone needs to talk to them and tell them it's all in their minds.
So basically other people in other countries are fear driven but they can have labels anyhow? How does that work?
Kytom

United States

#7258 Apr 24, 2013
No

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7259 Apr 24, 2013
Hey wrote:
<quoted text>
How is it 61 other countries get the labels?
So peoples fears cause farmer's animals to become sterile?Sheep eat what's left of cotton plants and die.Are these animals fearful and therefore have these issues with GMOs?
First of all, citations?
Second of all, how much cotton do you eat?

I've seen this behavior before with the anti-vac crowd. Rumors and gossips and no facts to back them up.

You don't change policy based on fears. You change policy based on science. Put together the science and the scientists will back you up. Until then it's just speculation.
Someone needs to talk to them and tell them it's all in their minds.
So basically other people in other countries are fear driven but they can have labels anyhow? How does that work?
In England, until very recently, their medical system accepted magical water as medicine. They had whole hospitals that treated people with magic water. And when I say "recently", I don't mean 1500. I mean 2-3 years ago.

The fact that a country accepts or rejects something is not evidence that that their beliefs are scientifically valid.

Europe is in the middle of a massive food scare that did not start with GMOs. It started with Mad Cow. They had poor controls in place and it was a huge problem for them. We did not have similar problems here because we have been controls in place.

Europe then had this recent second "scare" with the horse meat fiasco.

It's not surprising that their reaction to speculative food scares is knee jerk. That doesn't make their fears valid.

Additionally, the sort of one size fits all labeling you are calling for makes no sense.

Let's say I grow soy beans and I splice in a gene from an African strain of soy bean which normally doesn't breed well with the common strain in use. Is that the same as if I were to splice spider DNA into a cow?

This is not a simple discussion to be had by people without an understanding of what's being discussed. It's not something where "label it all" means anything.
Hey

Cookeville, TN

#7260 Apr 24, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
First of all, citations?
Second of all, how much cotton do you eat?
I've seen this behavior before with the anti-vac crowd. Rumors and gossips and no facts to back them up.
You don't change policy based on fears. You change policy based on science. Put together the science and the scientists will back you up. Until then it's just speculation.
<quoted text>
In England, until very recently, their medical system accepted magical water as medicine. They had whole hospitals that treated people with magic water. And when I say "recently", I don't mean 1500. I mean 2-3 years ago.
The fact that a country accepts or rejects something is not evidence that that their beliefs are scientifically valid.
Europe is in the middle of a massive food scare that did not start with GMOs. It started with Mad Cow. They had poor controls in place and it was a huge problem for them. We did not have similar problems here because we have been controls in place.
Europe then had this recent second "scare" with the horse meat fiasco.
It's not surprising that their reaction to speculative food scares is knee jerk. That doesn't make their fears valid.
Additionally, the sort of one size fits all labeling you are calling for makes no sense.
Let's say I grow soy beans and I splice in a gene from an African strain of soy bean which normally doesn't breed well with the common strain in use. Is that the same as if I were to splice spider DNA into a cow?
This is not a simple discussion to be had by people without an understanding of what's being discussed. It's not something where "label it all" means anything.
I don't eat cotton,but then neither did the sheep.They ate what was left of the plants as they had before.But the GMO left overs killed them.
AS far as the magic water, I bet it beat Viox and SV-40.
So, after the magic water, did the 61 other countries decide their folks ought to have a choice? Well maybe it was that magic water that gave them the common sense to realize one ought to know what they are paying for.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7261 Apr 24, 2013
Hey wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't eat cotton,but then neither did the sheep.They ate what was left of the plants as they had before.But the GMO left overs killed them.
AS far as the magic water, I bet it beat Viox and SV-40.
So, after the magic water, did the 61 other countries decide their folks ought to have a choice? Well maybe it was that magic water that gave them the common sense to realize one ought to know what they are paying for.
Your argument is circular.

"We need to mark this stuff because it might be dangerous. How do we know? Because other people mark it because it might be dangerous. How do they know? Well other people mark it because it might be dangerous."

It's all based on trying to increase fear without actually increasing any knowledge.
DrFill

North Augusta, SC

#7262 Apr 25, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
Your argument is circular.
"We need to mark this stuff because it might be dangerous. How do we know? Because other people mark it because it might be dangerous. How do they know? Well other people mark it because it might be dangerous."
It's all based on trying to increase fear without actually increasing any knowledge.
Your logic is flawed. You are assuming consumers only want food properly labeled, if it could "possibly" be dangerous. Consumers should have the right to know what they are buying "period".

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7263 Apr 25, 2013
DrFill wrote:
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Your logic is flawed. You are assuming consumers only want food properly labeled, if it could "possibly" be dangerous. Consumers should have the right to know what they are buying "period".
How do you determine if something is "possibly" dangerous? Because someone suggests it?

Like I said before, if I suggest that food picked by left handed people causes cancer, does that mean we need to label all food as being "possibly cancer causing"?

OR, does it mean we need to do a study to determine if that claim has merit before we make a decision effecting the entire industry.

There are an UNLIMITED number of possible claims which can be made. Should all food producers forever be subject to claims which have not be substantiated?
Done my homework

Oak Ridge, TN

#7264 Apr 25, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
It's because the public is frequently scared off by unsubstantiated claims.
Look at the whole issue over vaccines. It's all based on one guys fraudulent claim, but the conspiracy theorists picked it up and ran with it. Now thousands of kids are dying as a result.
CLAIMS that GMO are dangerous have not been substantiated. Therefore, forcing food manufacturers to label their products "warning" customers about the presence of something which science has not shown requires a warning is needless fear mongering.
GMOs are in just about everything you buy. If they were responsible for some crazy health crisis, it would be obvious at this point.
All disease indicators have been in steady decline except obesity related illnesses and that's because of corn syrup not GMOs
Well, my own position is that each of us should have sovereignty over our own bodies, and of our children. Certain exceptions based on abuse and neglect, but those would be for a different conversation. In short, I oppose the Nanny State.

GMO corporations don't have the best track record where pollutants are concerned, and let us not forget that Flouride is a byproduct of processing bauxite into aluminium that is put in our tap water, and that almost every drug {regardless of how domestic it may be} is a weakened poison. In all of this I think we should at least have sufficient information to make an informed decision, rather than having that decision made for us.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7265 Apr 25, 2013
Done my homework wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, my own position is that each of us should have sovereignty over our own bodies, and of our children. Certain exceptions based on abuse and neglect, but those would be for a different conversation. In short, I oppose the Nanny State.
GMO corporations don't have the best track record where pollutants are concerned, and let us not forget that Flouride is a byproduct of processing bauxite into aluminium that is put in our tap water, and that almost every drug {regardless of how domestic it may be} is a weakened poison. In all of this I think we should at least have sufficient information to make an informed decision, rather than having that decision made for us.
Basically, it sounds like your argument is this:

Some things which are "safe" at low doses can be harmful at high doses and therefore should have a warning.

That's true of water. Should we require warnings on water?

There is a reason we have an FDA. It determines whether or not something is a problem at the levels at which it is safe.

People are focusing like crazy on the _potential__speculative_ harm of hybrid crops and are completely ignoring KNOWN dangers which are FAR more common and FAR more dangerous.

Your location isn't listed but it's a TN forum so I'm going to assume TN for the sake of argument.

Tenn has 63 coal fired power plants. Each one of them puts out more radioactive waste than a nuclear power plant. Not to mention mercury, sulfur and CO and CO2.

You are ACTUALLY having people die as a result of this.

Can you point to someone who has died from GMO crops?

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