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Defend 'Obamacare' Unabashedly, Some Democrats Say

There are 25 comments on the National Public Radio story from Apr 17, 2014, titled Defend 'Obamacare' Unabashedly, Some Democrats Say. In it, National Public Radio reports that:

With enrollments higher than expected, and costs lower, some Democrats say it's time to stop hiding from the president's health care overhaul, even in this year's toughest Senate elections.

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National Propaganda Radio

Hilton Head Island, SC

#1 Apr 17, 2014
Give me a break. Everyone knows that NPR is the media arm of the liberal Democrat Party and cheerleaders for Obama's Marxist-Socialist programs. They are to radio what The New York Times is to print and MSNBC is to television "news".

“Make America Great Again”

Since: Jun 07

Bring Obama Back!

#2 Apr 17, 2014
Without question the Democrats need to step up and take ownership of the ACA. The republicans are devastated with the recent events of OBAMACARE. They just knew that it was going to be a complete disaster; but as we’ve learn from 2008 and 2012 the GOP/right-wing tea-baggers are always wrong in their predictions.

Millions of Americans are now covered with affordable health insurance and that is thanks to President Obama, the Democrats and the ACA… it is past time for the Democrats to grow a pair and kick these tea-baggers teeth in.

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#3 Apr 17, 2014
Come on Patty, shout it out!

The average family saved well over $2500 a year!
Nobody lost their insurance because of obamacare
7 million people went to a website that cost $600 million
Young people flocked to sign up.
obamacare reduced the national debt.

Halleluiah!! Obama promised this was a great gift to the people and if progressives like MC Patty say it's true, it just has to be true.
conservative crapola

“Hicksville Hootenanny”

Since: Sep 13

Kornfield Kounty

#7 Apr 17, 2014
Where is that teahadist/con healthcare plan and website? LMAO.
Responsibility

Petaluma, CA

#8 Apr 17, 2014
Eighthman wrote:
<quoted text>The unaffordable Careless act is a disaster. Period.
Boy, not a disaster for our family and I believe cruzzie knows of other folks who like their new plan.

Period.
Responsibility

Petaluma, CA

#9 Apr 17, 2014
RustyS wrote:
Obama promised this was a great gift to the people.
Boy, it has been a great gift to our family and Cruzzie knows others.

And our family keeps our doctor too!
foster

Ashburn, VA

#10 Apr 17, 2014
Democrate are falling victim to the wealth of lies and distortions that are the foundation of the Republican Party.
The numbers are in their favor on ACA. Highlight the Consequences of the Republican agenda against those agenda results of the last Republican congressional majority. Stop reacting and take the lead, the Nation is behind them. Ignore the extraordinary deception in the GOP echo chamber.
Dumb down the message as Republicans do in throwing red meat, diivisive rhetoric to their base.
Expose the Republican lies and lack of Respect for their supporters.
Sham the republicans for their antics and show trials and run on the accomplishment of restoring the economy and creating 9 million jobs and reducing the record deficits.while keeping the nation secure from devasting terrorist attacks.
The numbers are with democrats.

“JESUS WOULD IMPEACH THE GOP!!!”

Since: May 09

Lake Success, N.Y.

#12 Apr 17, 2014
RustyS wrote:
Come on Patty, shout it out!
The average family saved well over $2500 a year!
Nobody lost their insurance because of obamacare
7 million people went to a website that cost $600 million
Young people flocked to sign up.
obamacare reduced the national debt.
Halleluiah!! Obama promised this was a great gift to the people and if progressives like MC Patty say it's true, it just has to be true.
Unfortunately for you and your ilk, the CBO not only confirms the savings to the national debt has in fact increased over 10 years, but also confirmed that insurance rates are also dropping, and will continue to do so;

"Read Complete Document (pdf, 334 kb)


CBO and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) have updated their estimates of the budgetary effects of the provisions of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) that relate to health insurance coverage. The new estimates, which are included in CBO’s latest baseline projections, reflect CBO’s most recent economic forecast, account for administrative actions taken and regulations issued through March 2014, and incorporate new data and various modeling updates.

Relative to their previous projections made in February 2014, CBO and JCT now estimate that the ACA’s coverage provisions will result in lower net costs to the federal government: The agencies currently project a net cost of $36 billion for 2014,$5 billion less than the previous projection for the year; and $1,383 billion for the 2015–2024 period,$104 billion less than the previous projections (see the figure below)."

http://www.cbo.gov/publication/45231

I know it hurts to be wrong, but YOU ARE WRONG!

The CBO confirms this - no matter how hard you stomp your little feet.
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#14 Apr 17, 2014
TonyT1961 wrote:
<quoted text>
Unfortunately for you and your ilk, the CBO not only confirms the savings to the national debt has in fact increased over 10 years, but also confirmed that insurance rates are also dropping, and will continue to do so;
"Read Complete Document (pdf, 334 kb)
CBO and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) have updated their estimates of the budgetary effects of the provisions of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) that relate to health insurance coverage. The new estimates, which are included in CBO’s latest baseline projections, reflect CBO’s most recent economic forecast, account for administrative actions taken and regulations issued through March 2014, and incorporate new data and various modeling updates.
Relative to their previous projections made in February 2014, CBO and JCT now estimate that the ACA’s coverage provisions will result in lower net costs to the federal government: The agencies currently project a net cost of $36 billion for 2014,$5 billion less than the previous projection for the year; and $1,383 billion for the 2015–2024 period,$104 billion less than the previous projections (see the figure below)."
http://www.cbo.gov/publication/45231
I know it hurts to be wrong, but YOU ARE WRONG!
The CBO confirms this - no matter how hard you stomp your little feet.
You didn't go on to explain why the CBO changed it's estimates:

>> "A crucial factor in the current revision was an analysis of the characteristics of plans offered through the exchanges in 2014. Previously, CBO and JTC had expected that those plans’ characteristics would closely resemble the characteristics of employment-based plans throughout the projection period. However, the plans being offered through the exchanges this year appear to have, in general, lower payment rates for providers, narrower networks of providers, and tighter management of their subscribers’ use of health care than employment-based plans do.…

The lower exchange premiums and revisions to the other characteristics of insurance plans that are incorporated into CBO and JCT’s current estimates have small effects on the agencies’ projections of exchange enrollment. Although lower premiums will tend to increase enrollment, narrower networks and more tightly managed benefits will tend to reduce the attractiveness of plans and thereby decrease enrollment. The net effect on projected enrollment in the exchanges is small."

In a nutshell, the CBO initially made its projections under the assumption that the plans offered through the exchange would be largely similar in terms of benefits to the sorts of plans being offered by employers — but that definitely isn’t going to be the case. The narrowed networks that insurers are using to keep costs down and the lower reimbursement rates for doctors and hospitals are things that neither consumers nor providers tend to like in the long run — which will likely mean more strain on the system and higher costs further down the road.
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/04/15/cbo-oba...

Is that anything to celebrate? Tell me was Obamacare sold on narrower networks and lower reimbursement rates for doctors and hospitals?
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#15 Apr 17, 2014
TonyT1961 wrote:
<quoted text>
Unfortunately for you and your ilk, the CBO not only confirms the savings to the national debt has in fact increased over 10 years, but also confirmed that insurance rates are also dropping, and will continue to do so;
"Read Complete Document (pdf, 334 kb)
CBO and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) have updated their estimates of the budgetary effects of the provisions of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) that relate to health insurance coverage. The new estimates, which are included in CBO’s latest baseline projections, reflect CBO’s most recent economic forecast, account for administrative actions taken and regulations issued through March 2014, and incorporate new data and various modeling updates.
Relative to their previous projections made in February 2014, CBO and JCT now estimate that the ACA’s coverage provisions will result in lower net costs to the federal government: The agencies currently project a net cost of $36 billion for 2014,$5 billion less than the previous projection for the year; and $1,383 billion for the 2015–2024 period,$104 billion less than the previous projections (see the figure below)."
http://www.cbo.gov/publication/45231
I know it hurts to be wrong, but YOU ARE WRONG!
The CBO confirms this - no matter how hard you stomp your little feet.
Costing $104 billion less over 10 years, but still costs $1.383 trillion over the next 10 years.

News flash for you...$1.383 trillion is more than $104 billion, so there is no "savings" applied towards the national debt. Unless, of course, you live in a world where not spending as much is really a savings.

Let's say you go to buy a car, but instead of spending $20k, you get the care for $19.5k. Did you spend more, or save?

Here are CBO estimates for Obamacare costs over 10 years:
2010 $898 billion (first estimate during the "selling" period)
2011 $1.16 trillion
2012 (March)$1.48 trillion
2012 (July)$1.41 trillion
2013 CBO $1.6 trillion
2014 CBO $1.383 trillion

http://blog.heritage.org/2013/03/23/obamacare...

Even applying your political interpretation of projected costs "savings", you can't say that the newest cost estimate of $1.383 is less than the original cost of $898 billion.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#16 Apr 18, 2014
Marine Corp Pat wrote:
Without question the Democrats need to step up and take ownership of the ACA. The republicans are devastated with the recent events of OBAMACARE. They just knew that it was going to be a complete disaster; but as we’ve learn from 2008 and 2012 the GOP/right-wing tea-baggers are always wrong in their predictions.
Millions of Americans are now covered with affordable health insurance and that is thanks to President Obama, the Democrats and the ACA… it is past time for the Democrats to grow a pair and kick these tea-baggers teeth in.
Brain Surgery Patient's Obamacare Plan Denies Meds, Drops Doctors...

Widows Dumped in Alabama...

Obama tells Dems to be proud as 'enrollments' reach 8 million... but can't tell us how he got that number.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#17 Apr 18, 2014
TonyT1961 wrote:
<quoted text>
Unfortunately for you and your ilk, the CBO not only confirms the savings to the national debt has in fact increased over 10 years, but also confirmed that insurance rates are also dropping, and will continue to do so;
"Read Complete Document (pdf, 334 kb)
CBO and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) have updated their estimates of the budgetary effects of the provisions of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) that relate to health insurance coverage. The new estimates, which are included in CBO’s latest baseline projections, reflect CBO’s most recent economic forecast, account for administrative actions taken and regulations issued through March 2014, and incorporate new data and various modeling updates.
Relative to their previous projections made in February 2014, CBO and JCT now estimate that the ACA’s coverage provisions will result in lower net costs to the federal government: The agencies currently project a net cost of $36 billion for 2014,$5 billion less than the previous projection for the year; and $1,383 billion for the 2015–2024 period,$104 billion less than the previous projections (see the figure below)."
http://www.cbo.gov/publication/45231
I know it hurts to be wrong, but YOU ARE WRONG!
The CBO confirms this - no matter how hard you stomp your little feet.
Really, since Obama can't tell anyone where the numbers come from, how can the CBO know what numbers to use?
Les Claypool

Rowlett, TX

#19 Apr 18, 2014
If you have to make excuses for it, you have already lost.
sheepleloveroyal ty

Pottstown, PA

#20 Apr 22, 2014
While "unabashedly defending ObamaCare" they should take the time to explain the difference between preventative TESTS & EXAMS and actual CARE/TREATMENT. You MIGHT get a "free" colonoscopy but do you get "free" surgery or chemo? They might put a stethoscope to your chest for free but will your new zipper/heart surgery be free?
Cat74

Bolingbrook, IL

#21 Apr 22, 2014
Massachusetts Congressman Stephen Lynch says the worst of ObamaScam is yet to come. There are parts that have been postponed, because they are so unpalatable. Congressman Lynch is a Democrat.
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#22 Apr 22, 2014
Marine Corp Pat wrote:
Without question the Democrats need to step up and take ownership of the ACA.
Petty brave talk from behind your keyboard... why don't you 'step up'?

Why don't you walk into a DNC office and say you want to run for office?

Make sure you tell them that a primary position you'll take is of the "success" of Obamacare, and how you're planning to call out all those "teabaggers".

LOL

It'll be a hoot. You needn't mention it on Topix. Soon we'll all see the headlines about a raving Obambot -- that is if the DNC wants anything to do with you.
Cat74

Bolingbrook, IL

#23 Apr 22, 2014
I have often wondered myself why, if ObamaScam is so great why aren't we seeing stories about how great it is. Other then a half dozen or so people on Topix there are only horror stories even in the liberal press. If you talk to your neighbors they say they won't even sign up. The will pay the fee, and pay as they go for their medical care.
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#24 Apr 22, 2014
Cat74 wrote:
I have often wondered myself why, if ObamaScam is so great why aren't we seeing stories about how great it is. Other then a half dozen or so people on Topix there are only horror stories even in the liberal press. If you talk to your neighbors they say they won't even sign up. The will pay the fee, and pay as they go for their medical care.
A half dozen anonymous people.. who all supported Obamacare since it's inception.

“Make America Great Again”

Since: Jun 07

Bring Obama Back!

#25 Apr 23, 2014
Cat74 wrote:
I have often wondered myself why, if ObamaScam is so great why aren't we seeing stories about how great it is. Other then a half dozen or so people on Topix there are only horror stories even in the liberal press. If you talk to your neighbors they say they won't even sign up. The will pay the fee, and pay as they go for their medical care.
Poor tea-baggers… you’ve had months of fox news bringing one horror stories after another about how bad OBAMACARE was with right-wingers coming forward with their lies only to later be debunked on real news stations… and now that cold water has been dumped on your delusional hopes for failure now you “wonder why you haven’t seen all the good stories of happy Americans who love OBAMACARE”.
There are over 8 million stories in the naked city; choose one, LOL. I absolutely love the fact that President Obama continues to win against you silly unpatriotic right-wing nuts… stop asking stupid questions; just STFU!
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#26 Apr 23, 2014
Marine Corp Pat wrote:
<quoted text>
And a happy STFU to you too.

Have a nice day.

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