Spinning Obamacare success

Apr 22, 2014 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Washington Post

The Fact Checker was on break last week, but did manage to pass a TV set that aired images of the president's announcement on April 17 that 8 million people had signed up for health insurance on the Affordable Care Act exchanges.

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CNSNews.com is the propaganda arm of the Media Research Center, MRC’s sole mission is to expose and neutralize the propaganda arm of the Left: the national news media. This makes the MRC’s work unique within the conservative movement.

The figures below in the propaganda piece would have you believe full participation in the work force in America is 214 Million. Or a workforce including every man, woman and child between the ages of 10 and 95 years of age.

That is ludicrous being the participation rate is, by the article 62.8%, Check the math.....
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92,594,000: Americans Not in Labor Force Hits All-Time Record; Participation Rate Matches 36-Year Low
May 2, 2014 - 8:43 AM
( CNSNews.com )- A record 92,594,000 Americans were not in the labor force in April as the labor force participation rate matched a 36-year low of 62.8 percent, according to data released today by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
In March, according to BLS's non-seasonally adjusted data, there were 91,630,000 Americans not in the labor force. In April, that increased by 964,000 people to an all-time record of 92,594,000. The previous record was 92,534,000, set in January of this year.
The BLS's seasonally-adjusted number for people not in the labor force--which was 92,018,00 for April--was also an all-time record. This was up 988,000 from the 91,030,000 seasonally adjusted number BLS said was not in the labor force in March.(The previous all-time seasonally-adjusted high for people not in the labor force was 91,8080,000, which occurred in December 2013.)
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jef...
The Bureau of Labor Statistics has been using the same measuring techniques for years.
So what we have here is a big drop in unemployment which makes no sense unless you figure in the citizens no longer looking for a job. That ties into the one-tenth of one percent growth in the first quarter.
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92,594,000: Americans Not in Labor Force Hits All-Time Record; Participation Rate Matches 36-Year Low
May 2, 2014 - 8:43 AM
( CNSNews.com )- A record 92,594,000 Americans were not in the labor force in April as the labor force participation rate matched a 36-year low of 62.8 percent, according to data released today by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
In March, according to BLS's non-seasonally adjusted data, there were 91,630,000 Americans not in the labor force. In April, that increased by 964,000 people to an all-time record of 92,594,000. The previous record was 92,534,000, set in January of this year.
The BLS's seasonally-adjusted number for people not in the labor force--which was 92,018,00 for April--was also an all-time record. This was up 988,000 from the 91,030,000 seasonally adjusted number BLS said was not in the labor force in March.(The previous all-time seasonally-adjusted high for people not in the labor force was 91,8080,000, which occurred in December 2013.)
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jef...
The Bureau of Labor Statistics has been using the same measuring techniques for years.
So what we have here is a big drop in unemployment which makes no sense unless you figure in the citizens no longer looking for a job. That ties into the one-tenth of one percent growth in the first quarter.
92 Million is Republican propaganda. Those numbers are no where in the BLS Official Data on Employment in America.

There is no way those numbers given add up if you do the math in the propaganda piece you're depending on to state any argument to neutralize 288,000 new jobs in April or 198K per month job growth over the last 4 years.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.ht...

Employment Situation Summary Table A. Household data, seasonally adjusted
Employment Situation Summary Table B. Establishment data, seasonally adjusted
Employment Situation Frequently Asked Questions
Employment Situation Technical Note
Table A-1. Employment status of the civilian population by sex and age
Table A-2. Employment status of the civilian population by race, sex, and age
Table A-3. Employment status of the Hispanic or Latino population by sex and age
Table A-4. Employment status of the civilian population 25 years and over by educational attainment
Table A-5. Employment status of the civilian population 18 years and over by veteran status, period of service, and sex, not seasonally adjusted
Table A-6. Employment status of the civilian population by sex, age, and disability status, not seasonally adjusted
Table A-7. Employment status of the civilian population by nativity and sex, not seasonally adjusted
Table A-8. Employed persons by class of worker and part-time status
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It would also decrease jobs and lead to inflation. In case you haven't figured it out yet, the reason our jobs are in India and China is because we allowed unions to price us out of work. If you increase minimum wage over two dollars an hour, ultimately, everybody else's pay has to increase over two dollars per hour. More incentive for other industries to leave the country too.
Labor unions have been less than 15% of the American labor force going on 25 years now, those companies didn't leave because of union labor cost they left because of the GOP Policies that allows them to avoid taxes on earning of companies generated in offshore operations and in off shore accounts.

Exploiting labor wages was just icing on the cake.
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Delbert wrote:
CNSNews.com is the propaganda arm of the Media Research Center, MRC’s sole mission is to expose and neutralize the propaganda arm of the Left: the national news media. This makes the MRC’s work unique within the conservative movement.
The figures below in the propaganda piece would have you believe full participation in the work force in America is 214 Million. Or a workforce including every man, woman and child between the ages of 10 and 95 years of age.
That is ludicrous being the participation rate is, by the article 62.8%, Check the math.....
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Forget who's reporting it, they got their figures from the government. If you read the article, it states the BLS uses figures of people 16 years of age and older. Nothing changed. It's the same way they took figures from years and years ago.

Labor participation rate:

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

Number of civilians NOT IN LABOR FORCE. First category, eight lines down 92,018. Number of people looking for a job, first category, nine lines down 6,146

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t01.ht...

Looks like that "propaganda" site is pretty much on the mark.
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Labor unions have been less than 15% of the American labor force going on 25 years now, those companies didn't leave because of union labor cost they left because of the GOP Policies that allows them to avoid taxes on earning of companies generated in offshore operations and in off shore accounts.
Exploiting labor wages was just icing on the cake.
Wrong again. If you would like, I'll post my FactCheck article that disputes your claims. Or is FactCheck a propaganda site too?
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Labor unions have been less than 15% of the American labor force going on 25 years now, those companies didn't leave because of union labor cost they left because of the GOP Policies that allows them to avoid taxes on earning of companies generated in offshore operations and in off shore accounts.
Exploiting labor wages was just icing on the cake.
LOLOLOL

The Kennedys invented the,"Offshore accounts,"not the GOP.
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The 92 million unemployed was in a dozen news articles yesterday. If you people ever read anything beside beer can labels you would know what is going on in the world. In the meantime if you don't know what we are talking about stay out of the conversation.
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The 92 million unemployed was in a dozen news articles yesterday. If you people ever read anything beside beer can labels you would know what is going on in the world. In the meantime if you don't know what we are talking about stay out of the conversation.
When it comes to liberals, anything center or right of center is not to be trusted. You know, Fox, Hannity, Beck, Rush..........

They will never challenge the claims--only call them lies. It's why I try to use left leaning sources like the NYT and Fact Check. Using left leaning sources disables them from their usual Get-Out-Of-Jail free card.
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The 92 million unemployed was in a dozen news articles yesterday. If you people ever read anything beside beer can labels you would know what is going on in the world. In the meantime if you don't know what we are talking about stay out of the conversation.
But Oblamer just declared this the,"Year of action."

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The average inflation of United States in 2012: 2.07
The average inflation of United States in 2013: 1.47
And by comparison inflation under Bush in 2008 & 2007
The average inflation of United States in 2008: 3.85 %
The average inflation of United States in 2007: 2.85 %
- See more at: http://www.inflation.eu/inflation-rates/unite...
Take away the 85billion a month the feds are propping up Obama with and you will see the true worth of your dollar. Gas has more than doubled since Obama took office, beef priced, milk prices and most grocery prices are up 20%......take your head out of the sand.

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But Oblamer just declared this the,"Year of action."
He meant at the lobster fest.

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Did you ever interview people that earn minimum wage? They are untrained, and unskilled. These jobs mostly went to High school people just entering the labor force. Now they are people who barely speak the language, and expect $10. an hour.
scatboy, how much does your unskilled 'labor'(cough) pay for spamming toothpix 24/7?
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Forget who's reporting it, they got their figures from the government. If you read the article, it states the BLS uses figures of people 16 years of age and older. Nothing changed. It's the same way they took figures from years and years ago.
Labor participation rate:
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000
Number of civilians NOT IN LABOR FORCE. First category, eight lines down 92,018. Number of people looking for a job, first category, nine lines down 6,146
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t01.ht...
Looks like that "propaganda" site is pretty much on the mark.
The information tells you 6,146 Million are looking for work.

The 92 Million consist of Children through the disabled or senior citizens in the 247 Million population over 16 not necessarily in the labor market for a variety of reasons from being retired to seeking education.

92 Million does not refer to the number of residents seeking employment.

The Conservative propaganda sheet you reference for the information knows, you who repeat that distorted information can't break down the numbers and in fact are taking advantage of the misguided assumptions to distribute their propaganda.
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<quoted text>Take away the 85billion a month the feds are propping up Obama with and you will see the true worth of your dollar. Gas has more than doubled since Obama took office, beef priced, milk prices and most grocery prices are up 20%......take your head out of the sand.
You've forgotten the $4.25 per gallon of Gas under George Bush. There is no denying that since Obama has been in the White House there have been more than $20 Trillion in new wealth created.

Conversely during the last 3 years, 2006 thru 2009 of the last administration there was a loss of more than $17 Trillion most concentrated within a 12 month period before Bush left the White House.

I don't see a basis for your argument, The $85 Brillion in bond purchases has been a net positive policy on the economy which was shrinking under Bush and hemorrhaging jobs at a pace not matched since the Great Depression of 1929,

Depending on your investment strategy, the $85 Billion in Treasury bond purchases have a direct effect on common citizens than the $1 Trillion TARP that nationalized Banks and the Automobile industry under Bush.
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LOLOLOL
The Kennedys invented the,"Offshore accounts,"not the GOP.
The changing policies that governs off shore account reporting is the culprit. Storing money overseas isn't an issue, it's the depositors responsibility to report his earnings no matter where his/her money is stored and earned to the IRS.

It's never been a Foreign Bank's responsibility until recent to report on holdings of more than $10k for any American citizen. There's no way to enforce the law over seas, but if it is discovered a foreign bank is holding unreported assets, there a 30% penalty on any income that Bank may earn inside of America.

The policy of note is the deferment on income taxes on income earned overseas until that income is brought back to America. for distribution of any kind.
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Wrong again. If you would like, I'll post my FactCheck article that disputes your claims. Or is FactCheck a propaganda site too?
Save the Fact Check........ go right to the source where the data on employment in America is kept.

Here in this site you can find a historical data set on union membership going back as far as you would like to verify.

http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2014/ted_20140128...

Union membership rate 11.3 percent in 2013, the same as in 2012
January 28, 2014

The union membership rate—the percentage of wage and salary workers who were members of unions—was 11.3 percent in 2013, the same as in 2012. Public-sector workers had a union membership rate of 35.3 percent in 2013. That was more than five times higher than the rate for private-sector workers, 6.7 percent
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Reagan began the war on the middle class by assaulting the labor unions in 1981. Since Reagan's war on organized workers wages and benefits have eroded and dismantled the American Middle Class along with the social safety net and public services.

Look at the average wages in America.$25,000 during a period of record corporate earnings.
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You've forgotten the $4.25 per gallon of Gas under George Bush. There is no denying that since Obama has been in the White House there have been more than $20 Trillion in new wealth created.
Conversely during the last 3 years, 2006 thru 2009 of the last administration there was a loss of more than $17 Trillion most concentrated within a 12 month period before Bush left the White House.
I don't see a basis for your argument, The $85 Brillion in bond purchases has been a net positive policy on the economy which was shrinking under Bush and hemorrhaging jobs at a pace not matched since the Great Depression of 1929,
Depending on your investment strategy, the $85 Billion in Treasury bond purchases have a direct effect on common citizens than the $1 Trillion TARP that nationalized Banks and the Automobile industry under Bush.
This is true which is why the rich have gotten richer under DumBama than just about any other President.

But this bond buying thing is phony. It's as phony as the housing or tech bubble. It's going to burst. When? Where? We don't know. All we do know is what goes up must come down. But when it comes down, it will likely come down hard.
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Reagan began the war on the middle class by assaulting the labor unions in 1981. Since Reagan's war on organized workers wages and benefits have eroded and dismantled the American Middle Class along with the social safety net and public services.
Look at the average wages in America.$25,000 during a period of record corporate earnings.
Corporate earnings have nothing to do with labor. A job is only worth X amount of money. That amount is determined by what it would cost a company to hire anybody else for that same job.

Do you overpay your lawn care company when you can hire a cheaper service that does the same job? How about where you get your car repaired? What about your heating and AC guy?

Corporations are no different than us little people. We shop at places that have the best prices. We hire people for their quality and reasonable rates. Rates on cable and satellite television, high speed internet, and even cell phone plans are the main factor in our choosing a service. It doesn't matter if you make $40,000 per year or $400,000.
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Save the Fact Check........ go right to the source where the data on employment in America is kept.
Here in this site you can find a historical data set on union membership going back as far as you would like to verify.
http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2014/ted_20140128...
Union membership rate 11.3 percent in 2013, the same as in 2012
January 28, 2014
The union membership rate—the percentage of wage and salary workers who were members of unions—was 11.3 percent in 2013, the same as in 2012. Public-sector workers had a union membership rate of 35.3 percent in 2013. That was more than five times higher than the rate for private-sector workers, 6.7 percent
I wasn't debating that. I know unions are just about a thing of the past besides government unions which are draining states dry. My point was that taxation has nothing to do with companies shipping jobs overseas. The two main factors in outsourcing are wages and producing closer to your customers to reduce shipping costs. Tax breaks? Wouldn't make a difference in the world.

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