Obamacare push accelerates as governm...

Obamacare push accelerates as government shutdown nears

There are 111 comments on the Reuters story from Sep 30, 2013, titled Obamacare push accelerates as government shutdown nears. In it, Reuters reports that:

The Obama administration accelerated its push to persuade individual Americans to sign up for the most extensive overhaul of the U.S. healthcare system in 50 years, even as the program's foes in Congress fought to delay its launch with the threat of a federal government shutdown.

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Eric Gustafson

Virginia Beach, VA

#48 Oct 1, 2013
CBOW wrote:
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Reply to your post claiming that you believe the site is crashing because people so desire to enroll. Nope, they are trying to enroll because it's MANDATED! It's either that, or fall prey to the insurers scooping up the remains.
Whether they are mandated or not isn't relevant to the site crashing because of the amount of traffic going to the site shopping for coverage.

Even if you have coverage it's worth going on the site to compare the products offered to what you have currently in place.
CBOW

Dover, PA

#49 Oct 1, 2013
Eric Gustafson wrote:
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Whether they are mandated or not isn't relevant to the site crashing because of the amount of traffic going to the site shopping for coverage.
Even if you have coverage it's worth going on the site to compare the products offered to what you have currently in place.
Of course it's relevant. If there were no mandate, those people who are shopping for the cheap[est price wouldn't be shopping. They already are strapped for cash. That's why they are there. You are viewing from the perspective of someone who ALREADY has insurance. I can guarantee you, most of those on the exchanges are NOT insured already. This mandate is going to slow the growth in other sectors not related to medicine, mark my words. But, the media will sugar coat it and tout the revenue generated by the insurers as "growth" to the economy. What a farce! Odumbo's party sure has a sneaky way of making themselves look like job creators. LOL!
Eric Gustafson

Virginia Beach, VA

#50 Oct 1, 2013
You're making assumptions that individual who are savvy shoppers aren't interested in comparing their present cost with the pricing available in the State exchanges.

You could not possibly guaranteed that because it make no sense. If a better price is available for a product you have it's foolish not to compare pricing.

Especially those living on the margins and find themselves in financial difficulties. It's not as if the exchange insurance companies and products are subpar and low quality.

Now the slow growth mantra is talking points from double talking politicians void of the elevation in productivity in America creating an excess in human resources.

That's why people are being hired part time. The growth in productivity in America, more output with less workers. Automation in some places allows for a decrease in workers.

That's due to the advancement in technology. Elementary reasoning.

Well there has been 7 million jobs created since he's been president, but in retrospect that may have more to do with the collapse of the economy and financial system under George Bush. 10 Million jobs were loss to China alone under his watch and the meltdown saw 12 Million workers displace in a very short period of time.

It's not doubtful a lot of the job growth since Obama had been the rehiring of those displace workers under the last days and time of George Bush.

In any event more could be put to work if the House voted on the Infrastructure Bill, Transportation Bill and the Greenhouse Bill revitalizing aging public facilities. That's about 2 million well paying construction jobs.
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course it's relevant. If there were no mandate, those people who are shopping for the cheap[est price wouldn't be shopping. They already are strapped for cash. That's why they are there. You are viewing from the perspective of someone who ALREADY has insurance. I can guarantee you, most of those on the exchanges are NOT insured already. This mandate is going to slow the growth in other sectors not related to medicine, mark my words. But, the media will sugar coat it and tout the revenue generated by the insurers as "growth" to the economy. What a farce! Odumbo's party sure has a sneaky way of making themselves look like job creators. LOL!
Dickweed

Ames, IA

#51 Oct 1, 2013
Attempting to make the ACA make sense to a conservative repeater parrot is impossible. They have already been told by their alternative media masters that Obamacsre will destroy America.
Personally I believe the ACA has many good regulations in place.
The per-existing condition rules are necessary and before the ACA was written and ratified, the big argument by the republicans was too many Americans don't have insurance and can't afford to pay their doctor bills which makes prices and premis higher for the rest of us
So how do we fix the pre-existing problem of too many uninsured without mandating everyone needs to aquire insurance, and also offering Insurance more people can afford?
There is just WAY too much money spent on health are in America. Everything is far too expensive. Much is said of the free markets, and health care, but I really do not understand how healthcare can be part of the free market system like other industries. Some aspects could be run more like other service based industries, but most people do not really have the opportunity to search for the cheapest or best care when they are Sick or injured.
One other thing I do not understand is why do employers have to provide insurance? How does employee pooling and employer contributions work to keep costs down?
I think detaching healthcare from employment completely will go a long way to drop the insane prices of major medical care. With employers paying, and employees paying, there is an inflated amount of money available to the insurance companies. Basically 2 payers for about 1/2 of the insured.
Taking healthcare out of all employment packages would do alot to bring down costs.
Either way I don't care. I have insurance, and I own my own business with no employees.
Mykeisha

Houston, TX

#53 Oct 1, 2013
Obama is the biggest murderer the world has ever known. Why give money to a killer?
fingiswold

Kathleen, GA

#54 Oct 1, 2013
Mykeister wrote:
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Ohio never really felt the bad economy because the economy in Ohio has been one of the worst in the nation for some time. The cost of living has always outpaced the wages in Ohio. According to the government in Ohio the best economy booster was trying to turn Ohio into a tourist trap, instead of bringing in sustainable jobs.
LOL...you're utterly ignorant of Ohio too, I see. Big surprise!:)
fingiswold

Kathleen, GA

#55 Oct 1, 2013
Mykeister wrote:
Obama is the biggest murderer the world has ever known. Why give money to a killer?
Sorry, he's not half the murderer your Dear Leader Bush was, Keistermeister. But why tell the truth if you're a 'bagger, huh?:)

“Leonardo Di Vinci died here”

Since: Nov 08

Perpignan

#56 Oct 2, 2013
Eric Gustafson wrote:
<quoted text>You're thinking out of your arse again. Of course it's crashing, 16 to 20 Million citizens are trying to log on to the site.
The traffic is to heavy.
Prove it
conservative crapola

“Hicksville Hootenanny”

Since: Sep 13

Kornfield Kounty

#57 Oct 2, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>
It's been proved. But you listen to fux and rush dickless. That's about as far out of the loop as you.

hahahahahahaha
Dickweed

Ames, IA

#58 Oct 2, 2013
Mykeisha wrote:
Obama is the biggest murderer the world has ever known. Why give money to a killer?
I'm sorry, but I have would like to know where you got the idea President Obama has murdered people.
He did hunt down and kill the terrorist responsible for the 9-11 attacks.
Khadaffi is dead. But I don't believe either of those could be considered murder. Execution perhaps but not murder.
Who are the other people Obama supposedly murdered?
And let us not forget Hitler and the Nazis murdered over 6 million Jews and Gypsys.
Your Hatrid of Obama is inspiring no doubt, But totally incorrect.
Where does all this batshit craziness come from?
For god's sake Obama is just a liberal black guy.
CBOW

Dover, PA

#59 Oct 2, 2013
Eric Gustafson wrote:
You're making assumptions that individual who are savvy shoppers aren't interested in comparing their present cost with the pricing available in the State exchanges.
You could not possibly guaranteed that because it make no sense. If a better price is available for a product you have it's foolish not to compare pricing.
Especially those living on the margins and find themselves in financial difficulties. It's not as if the exchange insurance companies and products are subpar and low quality.
Now the slow growth mantra is talking points from double talking politicians void of the elevation in productivity in America creating an excess in human resources.
That's why people are being hired part time. The growth in productivity in America, more output with less workers. Automation in some places allows for a decrease in workers.
That's due to the advancement in technology. Elementary reasoning.
Well there has been 7 million jobs created since he's been president, but in retrospect that may have more to do with the collapse of the economy and financial system under George Bush. 10 Million jobs were loss to China alone under his watch and the meltdown saw 12 Million workers displace in a very short period of time.
It's not doubtful a lot of the job growth since Obama had been the rehiring of those displace workers under the last days and time of George Bush.
In any event more could be put to work if the House voted on the Infrastructure Bill, Transportation Bill and the Greenhouse Bill revitalizing aging public facilities. That's about 2 million well paying construction jobs.
<quoted text>
I am all for cheaper rates on insurance, believe me. My insurance debt in a years time would make most people cringe. The ACA and exchanges are NOT the way to achieve it, especially since it is forced. I agree wholeheartedly about Infrastructure repair, my business revolves around it. More should be invested there instead of an industry such as medicine since it hasn't addressed the issue of illegals still receiving it all for free. The old saying of "get those to pay who will and ignore the rest" definitely holds true with the ACA.
Mykeisha

United States

#60 Oct 2, 2013
fingiswold wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, he's not half the murderer your Dear Leader Bush was, Keistermeister. But why tell the truth if you're a 'bagger, huh?:)
So you admit to killing children. You will be found!

“Leonardo Di Vinci died here”

Since: Nov 08

Perpignan

#61 Oct 2, 2013
Dickweed wrote:
<quoted text>I'm sorry, but I have would like to know where you got the idea President Obama has murdered people.
He did hunt down and kill the terrorist responsible for the 9-11 attacks.
Khadaffi is dead. But I don't believe either of those could be considered murder. Execution perhaps but not murder.
Who are the other people Obama supposedly murdered?
And let us not forget Hitler and the Nazis murdered over 6 million Jews and Gypsys.
Your Hatrid of Obama is inspiring no doubt, But totally incorrect.
Where does all this batshit craziness come from?
For god's sake Obama is just a liberal black guy.
Prove it. Photos
conservative crapola

“Hicksville Hootenanny”

Since: Sep 13

Kornfield Kounty

#62 Oct 2, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>
Prove it. Photos
Yes, post the photos of you and lester.

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#63 Oct 2, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
I am all for cheaper rates on insurance, believe me. My insurance debt in a years time would make most people cringe. The ACA and exchanges are NOT the way to achieve it, especially since it is forced. I agree wholeheartedly about Infrastructure repair, my business revolves around it. More should be invested there instead of an industry such as medicine since it hasn't addressed the issue of illegals still receiving it all for free. The old saying of "get those to pay who will and ignore the rest" definitely holds true with the ACA.
Well then, if you're for cheaper rates, join your fellow teabag Repubs.

Americans of all political stripes like choice and competition, which is precisely what the ObamaCare health insurance exchanges will create. So it’s no wonder that 80% of Americans — including 72% of Republicans — support the health insurance exchange program in ObamaCare. And that’s even before the exchanges have taken effect!

Plus, a new report shows that health insurance premiums will be even lower under ObamaCare than originally projected
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/30/fiv ...
Brought to you by the Fox News Mainstream Media outlet.

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#64 Oct 2, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
I am all for cheaper rates on insurance, believe me. My insurance debt in a years time would make most people cringe. The ACA and exchanges are NOT the way to achieve it, especially since it is forced. I agree wholeheartedly about Infrastructure repair, my business revolves around it. More should be invested there instead of an industry such as medicine since it hasn't addressed the issue of illegals still receiving it all for free. The old saying of "get those to pay who will and ignore the rest" definitely holds true with the ACA.
Don't forget this one:

The Affordable Care Act expands tax credits to help small businesses provide health insurance to their workers. Companies with fewer than 50 employees do not have to provide insurance, but even for these businesses, ObamaCare will make it easier and cheaper if they choose to do so.

According to polling, 88% of Americans think these small business tax credits are great, including — wait for it ... yes, 83% of Republicans. That’s right, over eight-in-ten Republicans support the provision of ObamaCare that helps small businesses afford and expand their health insurance offerings to employees

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/30/fiv...
CBOW

Dover, PA

#65 Oct 3, 2013
Mykro wrote:
<quoted text>Don't forget this one:
The Affordable Care Act expands tax credits to help small businesses provide health insurance to their workers. Companies with fewer than 50 employees do not have to provide insurance, but even for these businesses, ObamaCare will make it easier and cheaper if they choose to do so.
According to polling, 88% of Americans think these small business tax credits are great, including — wait for it ... yes, 83% of Republicans. That’s right, over eight-in-ten Republicans support the provision of ObamaCare that helps small businesses afford and expand their health insurance offerings to employees
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/30/fiv...
Tax credits cannot offset increases to the rates, and whether you like it or not, that is what's happening in the small business theatre. Why do you think employers are cutting hours and eliminating employees that exceed their limit of 50? Step into the real world for one moment instead of parroting the liberal agenda. In my line of work, I deal with hundreds of small businesses and they are all saying the same thing, there is more than meets the eye.
CBOW

Dover, PA

#66 Oct 3, 2013
Mykro wrote:
<quoted text>Well then, if you're for cheaper rates, join your fellow teabag Repubs.
Americans of all political stripes like choice and competition, which is precisely what the ObamaCare health insurance exchanges will create. So it’s no wonder that 80% of Americans — including 72% of Republicans — support the health insurance exchange program in ObamaCare. And that’s even before the exchanges have taken effect!
Plus, a new report shows that health insurance premiums will be even lower under ObamaCare than originally projected
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/30/fiv ...
Brought to you by the Fox News Mainstream Media outlet.
For how long? How long before the bloated system realizes it's costing more than the insurers are taking in? They will "go postal" and request that the gubmint step in and ratify increases across the board. Mark my words.

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#67 Oct 3, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
For how long? How long before the bloated system realizes it's costing more than the insurers are taking in? They will "go postal" and request that the gubmint step in and ratify increases across the board. Mark my words.
I love your bullshit responses. You're a 24/7 FoxBot that all of a sudden doesn't believe one of his favorite rightwingnut sources. Now all of a sudden, when Fox appears "fair and balanced", you become unbalanced. You're a hypocritical idiot.

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#68 Oct 3, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
Tax credits cannot offset increases to the rates, and whether you like it or not, that is what's happening in the small business theatre. Why do you think employers are cutting hours and eliminating employees that exceed their limit of 50? Step into the real world for one moment instead of parroting the liberal agenda. In my line of work, I deal with hundreds of small businesses and they are all saying the same thing, there is more than meets the eye.
In the real world, not yours, small businesses with under 50 employees don't have to supply their employees with health coverage unless THEY want to.

The Affordable Care Act expands tax credits to help small businesses provide health insurance to their workers. Companies with fewer than 50 employees do not have to provide insurance, but even for these businesses, ObamaCare will make it easier and cheaper if they choose to do so.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/30/fiv...

Choke on your frightwingnut stupidity.

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