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Obamacare: Californians will pay 10th highest rates in country under health exchange

There are 3802 comments on the The Daily Democrat story from Sep 26, 2013, titled Obamacare: Californians will pay 10th highest rates in country under health exchange. In it, The Daily Democrat reports that:

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#126 Oct 2, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Here's some conservative math for you sweetums...
Made up numbers are: made up numbers.
Made up numbers TIMES made up numbers: bigger made up numbers.
PS: the Republicans caused the shutdown... but not because they were insisting taxpayers could cover illegal aliens.
But I used your Lib numbers from Huffington...and im against the shut down. I have no idea why Repubs would want to bail you Dems out or why Repubs would even attach themselves to the ACA, it will go down as the failure it is, just give it time to self destruct.
What are you Libs going to tell us to buy next? Or when will you Libs start limiting foods you dont agree with? You know that is your next step. The biggest fear of a Liberal is that someone, somewhere, DOESNT need their help...you know like the 300 million that already have insurance.

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#127 Oct 2, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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You bet? I bet so many people will want health insurance so badly that they will try to get it on the first day even though they have six months that the websites will shut down because of the rush.
Please stop sounding so stupid, you keep making me look good...Just cuz people log on to an ACA exchange doesnt mean they are buying insurance, most of the people I know cant afford the exchange premiums anyway. If you are barely making it, how can you pay an extra few hundred bucks a month for insurance when food needs to be on the table. Our own Govt says there are 10 million homeless/mentally ill, most live on the streets, most are US citizens. Most will not sign up, just as most dont take advantage of the current offerings or file taxes...

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#128 Oct 2, 2013
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You are remarkably full of yourself for somebody who never knows what they are talking about.
You have said a number of times that you do not have coverage through your employer and you buy individual insurance yourself. Apparently you have changed your story again, but that is nothing new.
This law has no effect on you at all. You enjoy the same "exemption" as Congress, the President, SCOTUS, Jay Carney, FOX correspondents and anybody else in the country that already has insurance.
I pay $3200 a month for medical insurance for the family. You now claim to pay absolutely nothing. That is good and I am happy for you, but to somehow suggest that somebody who pays thousands of dollars for something is somehow being subsidized by somebody who does not pay one cent for insurance is bizarre.
Such a load of BS...Congress and the Pres are exempt and you know it. They are exempt because they have "CADILLAC" plans, some worht hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in premiums and they would have to pay a huge penalty and tax rate, not not if exempt. You are so full ofShit, Congress and the Pres have the same type of plan the a top Fortune 500 executive might have, yet the executive will have to pay the huge penalty. Please stop lying and use FACTS to back up your crappy bill, but I bet you havent read it, have you (just like the Dems in Congress)

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#129 Oct 2, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
Of course those who will benefit from the extra we are paying to subsidize them seem to think it is only fair that those who have had insurance for years pay for them also.
We have been paying for those who don't carry insurance for the last one hundred years- except those who had the decency to die, or allow their kids to die, for being poor.

Putting aside if your employer has be paying for insurance- and this is the tricky part- your employer has been paying for it, not you.

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#130 Oct 2, 2013
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Such a load of BS...Congress and the Pres are exempt and you know it.
You are a liar- we know that already- they are not exempt, and we don't have to make you say it, Chump.

Nice of you to contently remind us, though.

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#131 Oct 2, 2013
edsmith1360 wrote:
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Please stop sounding so stupid, you keep making me look good.
You make a steaming pile of dogcr@p look good, Shug.

Funny how millions are banging on the board on the first days it is available.

Sounds like future voters to me.

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#132 Oct 2, 2013
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Our own Govt says there are 10 million homeless/mentally ill
Then you should be able to prove it because we all know you are full of cr@p.

Where's the link?

Here's some proof you are full of cr*p:

" Major Findings

Homelessness
Using the most recently available national data on homelessness, the 2011 and 2012 point-in-time counts as reported by jurisdictions to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, the report chronicles changes in overall homelessness and in homeless subpopulations between 2011 and 2012. Point-in-time methodologies vary and are imperfect and, as such, the aggregated numbers do not represent a precise count of homeless people. The counts, however, when compared over time, provide a way to assess whether the homeless population has increased or decreased.

The nationís homeless population decreased by 0.4%, or about 2,325 people. At a point in time in January 2012, 633,782 people were experiencing homelessness. There was a decrease in all homeless subpopulations with the exception of persons in families.
The largest decreases were among individuals identified as chronically homeless (6.8%) and Veterans (7.2%). The size of the chronic homeless population decreased from 107,148 in 2011 to 99,894 in 2012. The size of the Veteran homeless population decreased from 67,495 in 2011 to 62,619 in 2012.
The national rate of homelessness was 20 homeless people per 10,000 people in the general population. The rate for Veterans was 29 homeless Veterans per 10,000 Veterans in the general population.
A majority of persons identified as homeless were staying in emergency shelters or transitional housing, but 38% were unsheltered, living on the streets, or in cars, abandoned buildings, or other places not intended for human habitation. The size of the unsheltered population remained basically unchanged between 2011 and 2012.
The number of people in homeless families increased by 1.4% between 2011 and 2012; however, there was no change in the number of homeless families.
While the overall homeless population decreased between 2011 and 2012, it increased in 29 states.
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#133 Oct 2, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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You are a liar- we know that already- they are not exempt, and we don't have to make you say it, Chump.
Nice of you to contently remind us, though.
The ACA requires members of Congress and their staffers to select their health insurance from the new exchange that opened Oct. 1. In the past, they chose their coverage from a menu of plans available to federal employees. They also have long received an employer contribution toward their health insurance -- just like most people who receive coverage from a private employer. Federal officials recently decided members of Congress will continue to receive that contribution, and will be allowed to use it toward coverage purchased on the exchange. That's different than the rules that apply to regular citizens -- who are not allowed to take an employer contribution and apply it to coverage purchased through the exchange.

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#134 Oct 2, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Then you should be able to prove it because we all know you are full of cr@p.
Where's the link?
Here's some proof you are full of cr*p:
" Major Findings
Homelessness
Using the most recently available national data on homelessness, the 2011 and 2012 point-in-time counts as reported by jurisdictions to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, the report chronicles changes in overall homelessness and in homeless subpopulations between 2011 and 2012. Point-in-time methodologies vary and are imperfect and, as such, the aggregated numbers do not represent a precise count of homeless people. The counts, however, when compared over time, provide a way to assess whether the homeless population has increased or decreased.
The nationís homeless population decreased by 0.4%, or about 2,325 people. At a point in time in January 2012, 633,782 people were experiencing homelessness. There was a decrease in all homeless subpopulations with the exception of persons in families.
The largest decreases were among individuals identified as chronically homeless (6.8%) and Veterans (7.2%). The size of the chronic homeless population decreased from 107,148 in 2011 to 99,894 in 2012. The size of the Veteran homeless population decreased from 67,495 in 2011 to 62,619 in 2012.
The national rate of homelessness was 20 homeless people per 10,000 people in the general population. The rate for Veterans was 29 homeless Veterans per 10,000 Veterans in the general population.
A majority of persons identified as homeless were staying in emergency shelters or transitional housing, but 38% were unsheltered, living on the streets, or in cars, abandoned buildings, or other places not intended for human habitation. The size of the unsheltered population remained basically unchanged between 2011 and 2012.
The number of people in homeless families increased by 1.4% between 2011 and 2012; however, there was no change in the number of homeless families.
While the overall homeless population decreased between 2011 and 2012, it increased in 29 states.
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Heritage Foundation: Obamacare Spends $1 Trillion Dollars And Still Leaves 30 Million Uncovered. According to a July 25, 2012, post by the Heritage Foundation, the ACA is to blame for the 30 million predicted to be left uninsured after implementation of the ACA:

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#135 Oct 2, 2013
Civitas Institute: 30 Million People Will Remain Uninsured Under Obamacare. According to Civitas Review Online's September 11 post, 30 million people will be left without insurance after the Affordable Care Act (ACA) is fully implemented:
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#136 Oct 2, 2013
edsmith1360 wrote:
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Such a load of BS...Congress and the Pres are exempt and you know it. They are exempt because they have "CADILLAC" plans, some worht hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in premiums and they would have to pay a huge penalty and tax rate, not not if exempt. You are so full ofShit, Congress and the Pres have the same type of plan the a top Fortune 500 executive might have, yet the executive will have to pay the huge penalty. Please stop lying and use FACTS to back up your crappy bill, but I bet you havent read it, have you (just like the Dems in Congress)
They pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in premiums? For a group rate? Really? You are priceless.

They are not exempt from anything. Try watching American TV for a change. Those foreigners you take your marching orders from have not been telling you the truth.

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#137 Oct 2, 2013
edsmith1360 wrote:
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The ACA requires members of Congress and their staffers to select their health insurance from the new exchange that opened Oct. 1. In the past, they chose their coverage from a menu of plans available to federal employees. They also have long received an employer contribution toward their health insurance -- just like most people who receive coverage from a private employer. Federal officials recently decided members of Congress will continue to receive that contribution, and will be allowed to use it toward coverage purchased on the exchange. That's different than the rules that apply to regular citizens -- who are not allowed to take an employer contribution and apply it to coverage purchased through the exchange.
HAHAHAHAAHAH!

So we also know you are a theif as well as being a liar.

Here's more of the section you plagiarized, including the section you wacked off because - well, because it refuted what you said.

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The ACA requires members of Congress and their staffers to select their health insurance from the new exchange that opened Oct. 1. In the past, they chose their coverage from a menu of plans available to federal employees.

They also have long received an employer contribution toward their health insurance -- just like most people who receive coverage from a private employer.

Federal officials recently decided members of Congress will continue to receive that contribution, and will be allowed to use it toward coverage purchased on the exchange.

But that's different than the rules that apply to regular citizens -- they aren't allowed to take an employer contribution and apply it to coverage purchased through the exchange.

And that gives rise to what some opponents of the Affordable Care Act are deriding as an "exemption."

But is it really an exemption?

This much is certain: members of Congress and their staffers will have to choose coverage from the exchange. Therefore they aren't "exempt" from it.

Yet the rules were tweaked for them.

That makes it an exemption, right? Maybe.

But what about this: It seems reasonable for members of Congress to have first-hand experience with the coverage available to regular Americans who use the exchange, given that it's a government program.

However, the exchange is for people who don't have access to coverage through their job.

Taking away the employer contribution from members of Congress and their staffs amounts to taking away their employer-sponsored health care. It amounts to a pay cut of $5,000 to $12,000.

So is it fair to characterize allowing them to continue to receive an employer contribution as some sort of a sweetheart deal for Congress?

Or is it a logical and reasonable way of giving elected officials and public employees first-hand knowledge of coverage available on the exchange, while preserving their current levels of pay and benefits?

Factcheck.org recently took a close look at the situation, concluding that claims of a special subsidy are misleading.

Please tell us what you think in the comment sections below.

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#138 Oct 2, 2013
edsmith1360 wrote:
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Heritage Foundation:
Who cares what the Heritage Foundation says?

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#139 Oct 2, 2013
edsmith1360 wrote:
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The ACA
i noticed you skipped over how I slapped the snot out of the nonsense you posted about the homeless.

Did you forget you were going to prove what you said, dear?

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#140 Oct 2, 2013
edsmith1360 wrote:
Civitas Institute:
Right wing blog funded by the Kock Brothers.

Anything else, Chubs?
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#141 Oct 2, 2013
Isn't California the State that the Republican (ALEC) party supported a candidate for governor who was not a natralize American and who's daddy was a Nazi during WWII and they want to wave constitutional provision or test constitutional provision on being a naturalized citizen for presidency?

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#142 Oct 3, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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i noticed you skipped over how I slapped the snot out of the nonsense you posted about the homeless.
Did you forget you were going to prove what you said, dear?
Sorry, Just didnt have time to school your azz...I used the US Census numbers on those living in extreme poverty, homeless, & mentally ill. The number today is approx 46.2 million. The participation rate for overall aid is approx 75-80% in the best states. Why would Obamacare draw a larger participation rate? What facts show more people will sign up for Obamacare than foodstamps? There will still be at least 40 million uninsured after Obamacare, hell, yesterday Obama himself said the Repubs were trying to hold up insurance for 30 million people, not the 60 + million (including illegals) that dont have it today.
And why do you ignore the fact that my employer was notified that that our insurance company is leaving the small employer insurance market in Calif because of Obamacare and the cost for comparable insurance has doubled, while the insurance offered on the Obama exchange is low level, high deductible, large yearly maximums? Your expecting a 100% participation rate? My current insurance is an HMO,$10 co-pay max. Try to find that kind of plan on the exchange. Try getting into a Dr when you have exchange insurance. My friend is on Medical and has so many limits on his treatment, always told, it's your insurance that is limiting treatment, not us. He has to drive far into a bad area because no Dr in our area excepts his insurance. This is the future of US medical treatment. Bet you love the British health system? Just look at the teeth of British citizens, the most beautiful people there smile and you want to puke. I spent a week there and couldnt believe the horrible condition of their teeth, I suspect their healthcare is no better, but I can see evidence of that, but I can see that most have horrible teeth.

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#143 Oct 3, 2013
edsmith1360 wrote:
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Sorry, Just didnt have time to school your azz..
Yes, for you, that would take another sixty years and I doubt I'd be around.

Wipe your chin.

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#144 Oct 3, 2013
edsmith1360 wrote:
I used the US Census numbers on those living in extreme poverty, homeless, & mentally ill.
AH! so you move the goal posts.

Now it's the homeless plus a bunch of others you decided to add in.

Glad to be able to prove- again- you were talking out your well-worn brown eye.

Putting aside you are STILL lying.

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#145 Oct 3, 2013
edsmith1360 wrote:
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CONGRESS IS EXEMPT.
Still a lie.

Wipe your chin, shug.

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