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Open Enrollment Nears for Affordable Care Act

There are 63 comments on the WCAV story from Sep 18, 2013, titled Open Enrollment Nears for Affordable Care Act. In it, WCAV reports that:

It has been three years since the Affordable Care Act was passed, and now, there are just days left until a key component of the legislation goes into effect.

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heh

United States

#21 Sep 24, 2013
BTW, why do you think I'm huck? Just curious. Your wrong, but I'd like to know why. Do you seriously think that only one person can have his point of view?
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#23 Sep 24, 2013
not disputing rates are going up

“Don't Drink The Obama Kool-Aid”

Since: Aug 09

You don't need to know, Va.

#24 Sep 24, 2013
heh wrote:
BTW, why do you think I'm huck? Just curious. Your wrong, but I'd like to know why. Do you seriously think that only one person can have his point of view?
huck used to go by "heh" until the number of clueless and nuts ratings got too much for her and she switched over to "huck" probably hoping that some would think she was me and stop with all the clueless and nuts ratings. It ain't workin huck. If you really want to know how people feel about your posts, have some guts and register on the site instead of continually changing your posting alias.

“Don't Drink The Obama Kool-Aid”

Since: Aug 09

You don't need to know, Va.

#25 Sep 24, 2013
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#26 Sep 25, 2013
Im Ya Huckleberry wrote:
<quoted text>huck used to go by "heh" until the number of clueless and nuts ratings got too much for her and she switched over to "huck" probably hoping that some would think she was me and stop with all the clueless and nuts ratings. It ain't workin huck. If you really want to know how people feel about your posts, have some guts and register on the site instead of continually changing your posting alias.
Oh, so registering will make me less anonymous than you?
You are such a MAN huck, manning up to who you REALLY are, aren't you?
Who are you again?
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#27 Sep 25, 2013
Im Ya Huckleberry wrote:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/th eapothecary/2013/09/23/its-off icial-obamacare-will-increase- health-spending-by-7450-for-a- typical-family-of-four/
"Between 2014 and 2022, the increase in national health spending (which the Medicare actuaries specifically attribute to the law) amounts to $7,450 per family of 4."

lessee over 8 years $931/yr $77/mo for a family of four, oh woe is me, the real cost of evil socialism (keeping low income scum alive), and for those who can't afford it, subsidies due to ACA
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#28 Sep 25, 2013
not to mention keep children up to 26 on your policy, eliminate pre-existing condition exclusions and tons of other reforms that actually help the right-wing crybaby families, all due to a law modeled on a GOP idea in the first place
heh

Bethpage, NY

#30 Sep 25, 2013
huck wrote:
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"Between 2014 and 2022, the increase in national health spending (which the Medicare actuaries specifically attribute to the law) amounts to $7,450 per family of 4."
lessee over 8 years $931/yr $77/mo for a family of four, oh woe is me, the real cost of evil socialism (keeping low income scum alive), and for those who can't afford it, subsidies due to ACA
$77/mo MORE for a family of four may not sound like much to someone above the middle class, and for those below the middle class who want it for free... but if you're middle class (especially lower middle class) and on a budget,$77/mo is significant. Add to that less coverage and more out of pocket expenses (such as my wife's unforeseen ER bill that I received at over $1.2k last month due to my insurance covering less... and the nurse actually telling me that I would have been better off financially if I didn't speak English or had insurance in the first place), it adds up pretty quickly.

The common straw man tactic of implying that opposition to the ACA equals discrimination against low income is just just that, a straw man fallacy. You'll be hard pressed to find someone opposed to the ACA simply because they are against people of low income. We'd like to see healthcare provided to those TRULY in need of support (not the moochers), but the ACA, as it currently stands is a severely flawed vehicle in which to pursue it.

BTW, you still haven't answered my question as to why those so fervent on getting the ACA passed are the same ones able to be exempt from it. Take your blinders off, open your mind and seriously think about that for a little while, then revisit your support for an authoritarian and flawed legislation of compassion that even those that passed it/supported it don't want to be part of outside of finalization.

BTW, Hi "sez you".
heh

Bethpage, NY

#31 Sep 25, 2013
huck wrote:
not to mention keep children up to 26 on your policy, eliminate pre-existing condition exclusions and tons of other reforms that actually help the right-wing crybaby families, all due to a law modeled on a GOP idea in the first place
I'm actually in support of elimination of pre-existing conditions and keeping dependents covered longer, but I'm not going to buy a lemon of a vehicle just because I like the brand of the radio.
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#32 Sep 25, 2013
heh wrote:
<quoted text>
$77/mo MORE for a family of four may not sound like much to someone above the middle class, and for those below the middle class who want it for free... but if you're middle class (especially lower middle class) and on a budget,$77/mo is significant. Add to that less coverage and more out of pocket expenses (such as my wife's unforeseen ER bill that I received at over $1.2k last month due to my insurance covering less... and the nurse actually telling me that I would have been better off financially if I didn't speak English or had insurance in the first place), it adds up pretty quickly.
The common straw man tactic of implying that opposition to the ACA equals discrimination against low income is just just that, a straw man fallacy. You'll be hard pressed to find someone opposed to the ACA simply because they are against people of low income. We'd like to see healthcare provided to those TRULY in need of support (not the moochers), but the ACA, as it currently stands is a severely flawed vehicle in which to pursue it.
BTW, you still haven't answered my question as to why those so fervent on getting the ACA passed are the same ones able to be exempt from it. Take your blinders off, open your mind and seriously think about that for a little while, then revisit your support for an authoritarian and flawed legislation of compassion that even those that passed it/supported it don't want to be part of outside of finalization.
BTW, Hi "sez you".
You can get a subsidy up to $94,000/yr for family of four.
http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/21/news/economy/...

There isn't any piece of legislation that isn't flawed, especially one like this to get votes from the party of no. You have to start somewhere, and without the ACA we wouldn't be starting at all.
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#33 Sep 25, 2013
heh wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm actually in support of elimination of pre-existing conditions and keeping dependents covered longer, but I'm not going to buy a lemon of a vehicle just because I like the brand of the radio.
your lemon of a vehicle just got you what you support, and more:
" The Fact is ObamaCare gives 47 million women access to preventive health services and makes it illegal to charge women different rates than men. Get more ObamaCare Women's Health Services Facts

ObamaCare gives seniors access to cheaper drugs, free preventive care, reforms Medicare Advantage, and closes the Medicare Part D 'donut hole. The AARP agrees, costs won't rise because of ObamaCare, if anything, the improvements to the system will decrease the average cost of health care for seniors.

1 in 2 Americans have a "pre-existing" condition they could be denied health insurance for. ObamaCare chips Away at pre-existing conditions until 2014 when there are no more pre-existing conditions for anyone, including high-risk customers. This means you can no longer be denied coverage or treatment or charged more for health status. Find out more about pre-existing conditions.

54 million Americans with private health insurance now have access to preventive services with no cost sharing due to the new minimum standards of ObamaCare.

ObamaCare doesn't ration health care; it protects consumers from the health care rationing insurance companies have been doing for ages."

http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-facts.php
take your blinders off
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it's a start and can be tweaked later, hopefully towards medicare for all
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#34 Sep 25, 2013
heh wrote:
<quoted text>

BTW, you still haven't answered my question as to why those so fervent on getting the ACA passed are the same ones able to be exempt from it.
huck, those who are so fervent on deep sixing the ACA are the same ones who are being exempt from it also, take your blinders off, you don't see them coming forward and not taking the exemption do you?
.
it's purely a political ploy to keep congress happy, they have their special health care plan that you and I cannot touch and they are a bunch of hypocrits deserving no special treatment and ESPECIALLY special interest political donation bribes

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#35 Sep 25, 2013
huck wrote:
<quoted text>
huck, those who are so fervent on deep sixing the ACA are the same ones who are being exempt from it also, take your blinders off, you don't see them coming forward and not taking the exemption do you?
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it's purely a political ploy to keep congress happy, they have their special health care plan that you and I cannot touch and they are a bunch of hypocrits deserving no special treatment and ESPECIALLY special interest political donation bribes
sez you, I'm not going to bother with the links you posted because the links are from known biased sources. Why do you keep doing that?

Yes, the ones wanting to kill Obamacare can take the exemption too, and yes, I believe that they will take that exemption. I believe that they're fighting so that we can have the same privilege and aren't willing to be "bought" by being able to take it or not. I believe that if this ACA is so great, and pushed down the throats of the unwilling, that they all, regardless of party should not have an exemption.

Pass it and tweak it is unacceptable, especially for something so significant. It's the Pelosi approach. Delaying or defunding I believe can force a review and rewrite. Yes all legislation is flawed, but not as much as I believe the ACA is. Crap with a sugar coating. Bottom line, dress it up all you want, it's still a lemon.
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#36 Sep 25, 2013
Anti-Politician wrote:
<quoted text>
sez you, I'm not going to bother with the links you posted because the links are from known biased sources. Why do you keep doing that?
Yes, the ones wanting to kill Obamacare can take the exemption too, and yes, I believe that they will take that exemption. I believe that they're fighting so that we can have the same privilege and aren't willing to be "bought" by being able to take it or not. I believe that if this ACA is so great, and pushed down the throats of the unwilling, that they all, regardless of party should not have an exemption.
Pass it and tweak it is unacceptable, especially for something so significant. It's the Pelosi approach. Delaying or defunding I believe can force a review and rewrite. Yes all legislation is flawed, but not as much as I believe the ACA is. Crap with a sugar coating. Bottom line, dress it up all you want, it's still a lemon.
You know as well as I 'delaying' is the kiss of death to any health care legislation. The GOP isn't about to pass anything along those lines. All this fear mongering about what a train wreck this will be reminds me of the voter ID law, passing laws obstensibly out of fear of a problem that doesn't exist. Hiring hasn't decreased in advance of this law, and companies like Home Depot putting employees on part time, is just timing, using the ACA as an excuse to do what they would otherwise do anyway. Those part timers can go out and get subsidized health insurance on the exchange and even many full timers will find it is cheaper on the exchange than to co-pay through their company. GOP is just afraid this will become as popular as medicare.
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#37 Sep 25, 2013
look at all the twerking, er tweaking, Medicare has received over the years
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#38 Sep 26, 2013
Im Ya Huckleberry wrote:
<quoted text>huck used to go by "heh" until the number of clueless and nuts ratings got too much for her and she switched over to "huck" probably hoping that some would think she was me and stop with all the clueless and nuts ratings.
no it's because you hijacked my sig from bethpage, ny, and "all the clueless and nuts ratings" are from you, nobody else cares about ratings or is even here to read your drivel, so you can stop the silly effort of giving yourself all the positive ones
STD free

United States

#39 Sep 26, 2013
I pray someone assassinates Obummer

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#40 Sep 26, 2013
huck wrote:
<quoted text>
You know as well as I 'delaying' is the kiss of death to any health care legislation. The GOP isn't about to pass anything along those lines. All this fear mongering about what a train wreck this will be reminds me of the voter ID law, passing laws obstensibly out of fear of a problem that doesn't exist. Hiring hasn't decreased in advance of this law, and companies like Home Depot putting employees on part time, is just timing, using the ACA as an excuse to do what they would otherwise do anyway. Those part timers can go out and get subsidized health insurance on the exchange and even many full timers will find it is cheaper on the exchange than to co-pay through their company. GOP is just afraid this will become as popular as medicare.
Riiiiight, and the dems have NEVER even attempted to delaye a piece of legislation or passed/tried to pass laws out of fear of a problem that either doesn't exist or that the law wouldn't solve.

So, you think all of the cutting of employees, hours, health care benefits by companies is just timing or an excuse or coincidence? That's pure speculation.

Why do people have to be forced to adopt the ACA without the option for exemption if it's so great, and why are the very people vying for it getting exemptions from it? These are the main questions that you have yet to satisfactorily answer. If the President, Congress and many Unions can have exemptions and the rest of us can't, it raises a BIG flag. If it's so great, why can't people choose for themselves?

Obama said that premiums will not go up as a result of the ACA. As you said, they go up over time anyway, but they have spiked since the passage of the law.

I believe that the exemptions were sort of a bribe to garner support.
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#41 Sep 26, 2013
Anti-Politician wrote:
<quoted text>
Riiiiight, and the dems have NEVER even attempted to delaye a piece of legislation or passed/tried to pass laws out of fear of a problem that either doesn't exist or that the law wouldn't solve.
So, you think all of the cutting of employees, hours, health care benefits by companies is just timing or an excuse or coincidence? That's pure speculation.
Why do people have to be forced to adopt the ACA without the option for exemption if it's so great, and why are the very people vying for it getting exemptions from it? These are the main questions that you have yet to satisfactorily answer. If the President, Congress and many Unions can have exemptions and the rest of us can't, it raises a BIG flag. If it's so great, why can't people choose for themselves?
Obama said that premiums will not go up as a result of the ACA. As you said, they go up over time anyway, but they have spiked since the passage of the law.
I believe that the exemptions were sort of a bribe to garner support.
People can choose for themselves. There is nothing preventing you from continuing with your current insurance plan. If your company changes your plan, well that's because they can. There should have been something in the law to prevent it, but you know, the silver lining is that as more and more people are less dependent on companies providing health care insurance, we will move closer and closer to a single payer system. This country has the highest per capital health care cost, and yet not a favorable record for comparative mortality rates.
Congress always gets special exemptions for everything, including taking bribes, and yes they were bribed again with this to garner support.
"The union doesn't have a problem with the health care law, though. In fact, it opposes Camp's legislation on the grounds that the bill goes against the intent of the law."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2...
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#42 Sep 26, 2013
you can opt out of buying insurance next year and pay $95 on your taxes

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