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Conscience Clause Allowed Docs to Deny Care to Gays--But No More

There are 50 comments on the EDGEphiladelphia.com News Feed story from Feb 21, 2011, titled Conscience Clause Allowed Docs to Deny Care to Gays--But No More. In it, EDGEphiladelphia.com News Feed reports that:

A Bush-era law that allowed physicians to deny care to patients on moral grounds has been almost entirely undone by the Obama administration, the Washington Post reported on Feb.

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Since: Feb 10

Woodstock, Illinois

#41 Feb 23, 2011
Dubya wrote:
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I hate abortions, too, but since I'm male I'll never have to make that decision. However, just because I don't like them, it's not MY decision to make for someone else. I don't care if you think it's murder or not, it's not YOUR decision to make for someone else either. But don't you find it a bit troubling that Republicans who say they're for small government and against government intrusion into their lives are constantly trying to make their moral code the law of the land? I do, and find the Repub's hypocrisy more than I can stomach.
I can't believe you said that. "...but since I'm male I'll never have to make that decision."

A responsible male in a responsible relationship would be a part of the decision. This is the very problem and cause of so many abortions, men believing that the product of their passions is not their responsibility.

I do not believe anyone really would encourage abortions, but it needs to be a legal and safe option because of irresponsible people.
hoodathunkit

Greenville, OH

#42 Feb 23, 2011
Ron431 wrote:
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I can't believe you said that. "...but since I'm male I'll never have to make that decision."
A responsible male in a responsible relationship would be a part of the decision. This is the very problem and cause of so many abortions, men believing that the product of their passions is not their responsibility.
I do not believe anyone really would encourage abortions, but it needs to be a legal and safe option because of irresponsible people.
I think that you might have misconstrued his comment. If he is a gay male, he most likely will never be involved in an abortion decision.
I agree with part of the part about responsibility. However, it's not just men who don't consider the responsiblities of their passions or it's potential outcome. Many women get abortions because they didn't think about the chance of getting pregnant.
People seem to overlook the misconceptions that teens and young people have when it comes to getting pregnant. I was looking up some humorous facts one time and ran across some funny yet sad misconceptions about getting pregnant. There are people who think that it's not possible to get pregnant the first time you have sex. Others think that jumping up and down after sex will keep a woman from getting pregnant. Others think that using Pepsi or Coke as a douche afterwards will act as a deterent. Sadly, these people wouldn't think such a thing if they had had a comprehensive sex education.
While I am not a fan of abortion, I agree that it should be available and safe.

Since: Feb 10

Woodstock, Illinois

#43 Feb 23, 2011
hoodathunkit wrote:
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I think that you might have misconstrued his comment. If he is a gay male, he most likely will never be involved in an abortion decision.
I agree with part of the part about responsibility. However, it's not just men who don't consider the responsiblities of their passions or it's potential outcome. Many women get abortions because they didn't think about the chance of getting pregnant.
People seem to overlook the misconceptions that teens and young people have when it comes to getting pregnant. I was looking up some humorous facts one time and ran across some funny yet sad misconceptions about getting pregnant. There are people who think that it's not possible to get pregnant the first time you have sex. Others think that jumping up and down after sex will keep a woman from getting pregnant. Others think that using Pepsi or Coke as a douche afterwards will act as a deterent. Sadly, these people wouldn't think such a thing if they had had a comprehensive sex education.
While I am not a fan of abortion, I agree that it should be available and safe.
You are right, my mistake for misunderstanding his post.

Sorry Dubya.

“Son of Abraham”

Since: Aug 07

Natural Deviant

#44 Feb 23, 2011
STEPHMAR wrote:
<quoted text>IRRESPONSIBLE behavior is not limited to the Right;Center;or Left.
Wow, you don't like dealing with facts, do you?
The RELIGIOUS RIGHT has the highest teen pregnancy rate, the highest out of wedlock birthrate and the highest divorce rate so while irresponsible behavior is not limited to one group or another, one group surely can claim it as "mostly theirs".

I was pointing out how that group that shouts out their morality the loudest is the one group who practices it the least.

Since: Jan 08

Chon Buri, Thailand

#45 Feb 23, 2011
Ron431 wrote:
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You are right, my mistake for misunderstanding his post.
Sorry Dubya.
No problem, Ron. I was going to add that irresponsibility isn't always the case, such as in cases of rape and incest. I'm sure abortion would be a difficult decision to make in any case, but I do feel all options should be open.
YouHelpFixIt

Scottsdale, AZ

#46 Feb 24, 2011
McMike wrote:
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Wow, you don't like dealing with facts, do you?
The RELIGIOUS RIGHT has the highest teen pregnancy rate, the highest out of wedlock birthrate and the highest divorce rate so while irresponsible behavior is not limited to one group or another, one group surely can claim it as "mostly theirs".
I was pointing out how that group that shouts out their morality the loudest is the one group who practices it the least.
Do you have some data on that because I was not aware that anyone collected that data by religion or by political orientation?

Perhaps you are confusing teen preganacy rates with birth rates, and attempting to use state level data without correcting for race, income level, and abortion rates.

Please show us what you have.

Here are some real stats:

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/USTPtrends.pdf

“TMA&CRR One Love One Marriage ”

Since: Sep 09

port orange

#47 Feb 24, 2011
STEPHMAR wrote:
<quoted text>Studies,from even Foreign Nations,indicate that Sex Ed is most effective when done by the parents of the children.Sex Ed should be a normal every day discussion within the home.Hormonal birth control;IUD's have all been shown to be dangerous.Anyone who uses condoms and gets 80-90% failure rate;doesn't know how to use them.Giving Birth Control products to Teens will promote promiscuity.WHAT is the problem with masturbation 'for relief?'
abortion is legal get over it you dont agree with abortion DONT GET ONE! this is a SECULAR NATION take your bible and stuff it

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#48 Feb 24, 2011
McMike wrote:
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Wow, you don't like dealing with facts, do you?
The RELIGIOUS RIGHT has the highest teen pregnancy rate, the highest out of wedlock birthrate and the highest divorce rate so while irresponsible behavior is not limited to one group or another, one group surely can claim it as "mostly theirs".
I was pointing out how that group that shouts out their morality the loudest is the one group who practices it the least.
Amen, Brother!! And can I have a Hallelujah, as well?? HALLELUJAH!!

Why do we constantly have to point out to the religious idiots that what they accuse others of IS EXACTLY WHAT *THEY* DO MOST??!?!?

It gets SO old to have to keep reminding them that we couldn't possible ever compete with them them when it comes to unwanted pregnancies, serial marriages, and abortion.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#49 Feb 24, 2011
It seems as if STEPHMAR has left the building. They hate it when we counter their fantasies with reality, don't they?

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#50 Feb 24, 2011
eJohn wrote:
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Really? So people that support solutions that *actually work* are not "intelligent People of Good Character"? How so? Because you don't like the solutions that work?
Don't you think it's time to focus on solutions that DO work instead of continuing to fantasize about Mother sitting down with her virginal daughter on the night before her wedding and telling her all about the birds and the bees??
We live in the world of reality where kids are experimenting with sex at younger and younger ages. Pretending that's not happening and continuing to hope that it'll stop on its own isn't working, is it?
Re-read my post for what I have said;and,don't read into my post that which I did not say?

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