Conscience Clause Allowed Docs to Den...

Conscience Clause Allowed Docs to Deny Care to Gays--But No More

There are 50 comments on the EDGEphiladelphia.com News Feed story from Feb 21, 2011, titled Conscience Clause Allowed Docs to Deny Care to Gays--But No More. In it, EDGEphiladelphia.com News Feed reports that:

A Bush-era law that allowed physicians to deny care to patients on moral grounds has been almost entirely undone by the Obama administration, the Washington Post reported on Feb.

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Since: Jan 08

Chon Buri, Thailand

#1 Feb 21, 2011
Just another reason why I hate Republicans.

“A Militant Homosexual”

Since: Jan 07

West Hollywood, California

#2 Feb 21, 2011
Good, such "rules" are immoral in and of themselves. Doctors are not allowed to pick and choose when they will follow their hippocratic oath. If you don't like the moral possibilities of treating a patient to whom you object, don't be a doctor.

“I call it as I see it.”

Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#3 Feb 21, 2011
I am no gay sympathizer by any stretch of the imagination, but the thought that anyone might be denied medical care for being gay is absolutely distressing.

“Son of Abraham”

Since: Aug 07

Natural Deviant

#4 Feb 21, 2011
So doctors could deny treating bratty kids, anyone with tattoos, any women wearing slacks, anyone wearing polyester, any man who is clean shaven, etc, etc or do these "morals" only count with they line up with your own bigotry?

“God made in the image of man”

Since: May 07

Sausalito, CA

#5 Feb 21, 2011
Frank ...? Calling Frank Stanton ... Mr. Hangover, are you there? Did you see what your buddy Obama did for us now???
Disgusted American

Philadelphia, PA

#6 Feb 22, 2011
flbadcatowner wrote:
I am no gay sympathizer by any stretch of the imagination, but the thought that anyone might be denied medical care for being gay is absolutely distressing.
I am no Hetero sympathizer by any stretch of the imagination, but the thought that anyone might be denied medical care for being heterosexual is absolutely distressing.

“I am happy”

Since: Jul 08

St. Petersburg, FL

#7 Feb 22, 2011
In many cases, the insurance companies are paying out for the health care. If the doctors are so hell bent on living to their morals and ignoring the oath they took to do no harm, maybe the insurance companies should take their ability to accept insurance away. Watch their business drop when that happens, especially in an United States that is mandating everyone to have health insurance by 2014.

“I call it as I see it.”

Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#8 Feb 22, 2011
Disgusted American wrote:
<quoted text>I am no Hetero sympathizer by any stretch of the imagination, but the thought that anyone might be denied medical care for being heterosexual is absolutely distressing.
I do suppose it works both ways.
Leftatalbuquerqu e

Kingston, Canada

#9 Feb 22, 2011
That's the law in Canada.

But then, so many Americans (I'm looking at YOU, Frank!) posting here think we are but peons to the British. Go ahead - keep thinking it - we don't mind. Go back to sleep. Keep Mexico at the forefront of your consciousness...

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#10 Feb 22, 2011
Dubya wrote:
Just another reason why I hate Republicans.
The Conscience Clause Law was originally written to stop abortions.I am a Catholic and Republican;and,I do feel more comfortable with a Party who opposes abortion.Unwanted Pregnancy today is unnecessary.JUST USE CONDOMS,and make the whole issue "moot."As for the Lesbian Woman wanting fertility treatment:Is it that impossible to find a decent man to impregate you?
Disgusted American

Philadelphia, PA

#11 Feb 22, 2011
STEPHMAR wrote:
<quoted text>The Conscience Clause Law was originally written to stop abortions.I am a Catholic and Republican;and,I do feel more comfortable with a Party who opposes abortion.Unwanted Pregnancy today is unnecessary.JUST USE CONDOMS,and make the whole issue "moot."As for the Lesbian Woman wanting fertility treatment:Is it that impossible to find a decent man to impregate you?
Dear Please oh please educate yourself...the GOP/Conservatives NOT only want to STEAL a women's RIGHT of CHOICE - they want to steal your controceptives..and HOW come they ONLY care about the fetus..lonce that baby pops out, you're the whore for having a kid you couldn't afford?..and WHY would a lesbian woman want a Man to impregnate them? Hence - Lesbian. Would you want a Woman to do oral on you cause men just can't do IT right? No,you wouldn't - cause you're NOT attracted to women..get it?
YouHelpFixIt

Scottsdale, AZ

#12 Feb 22, 2011
So is everyone OK with the new rules for federal employees or employees of institutions that recieve federal money:

Physicians can not legaly refuse administering the death penalty.

Orthodox Jews cannot refuse to use technology on the Sabath.

No Muslim could demand to take breaks for Prayers.

Vegans could not refuse to kill an animal.

Catholic doctors must perform abortions.

Doctors may not refuse to help assisted suicide where it is legal.

Muslim women coannot refuse to touch a male patient.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#13 Feb 22, 2011
Disgusted American wrote:
<quoted text>Dear Please oh please educate yourself...the GOP/Conservatives NOT only want to STEAL a women's RIGHT of CHOICE - they want to steal your controceptives..and HOW come they ONLY care about the fetus..lonce that baby pops out, you're the whore for having a kid you couldn't afford?..and WHY would a lesbian woman want a Man to impregnate them? Hence - Lesbian. Would you want a Woman to do oral on you cause men just can't do IT right? No,you wouldn't - cause you're NOT attracted to women..get it?
I DO understand what you are saying.The Reality is this:Abortion WILL NEVER be accepted by a "Sane Society;"and,probably should never be?What I cannot resolve is the right to kill an infant.It starts here;and,will eventually claim all of us.Keep in mind,in many so-called civilized Nations Today,when a daughter is born,and there is no son already born,this daughter is KILLED (murdered).

Since: Feb 10

Woodstock, Illinois

#14 Feb 22, 2011
From the article:
"medical personnel could cite religious or moral beliefs in refusing to provide medical care and services, including care for gay men and HIV/AIDS patients."

With this reasoning, a doctor should be able to refuse medical treatment to a black man if they belong to a racist religious cult.

So much for the hippocratic oath.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#15 Feb 22, 2011
STEPHMAR wrote:
<quoted text>The Conscience Clause Law was originally written to stop abortions.I am a Catholic and Republican;and,I do feel more comfortable with a Party who opposes abortion.Unwanted Pregnancy today is unnecessary.JUST USE CONDOMS,and make the whole issue "moot."...
Just curious.... how do you reconcile your anti-abortion support for the Republican Party when they ALSO want to make both sex education and most forms of birth control inaccessible to the highest risk group of people--teenagers--thereby ensuring a continued increase in unwanted pregnancies?

Also, condoms have an 80-90% failure rate depending on how they're used. Unwanted pregnancies will continue as long as heterosexual people exist on the planet no matter what form of birth control is used.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#16 Feb 22, 2011
STEPHMAR wrote:
<quoted text>I DO understand what you are saying.The Reality is this:Abortion WILL NEVER be accepted by a "Sane Society;"and,probably should never be?....
Correction. Abortion will never be accepted by *many* people.(Your value judgment of what constitutes a "Sane Society" is irrelevant).

But just as many (probably way more) people will never accept making abortion illegal.

So now what? You just keep trying to force your personal values onto others that don't believe the same thing as you do? Does that really make any sense? Why are you allowed your religious beliefs but others are not?

“I call it as I see it.”

Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#17 Feb 22, 2011
STEPHMAR wrote:
<quoted text>The Conscience Clause Law was originally written to stop abortions.I am a Catholic and Republican;and,I do feel more comfortable with a Party who opposes abortion.Unwanted Pregnancy today is unnecessary.JUST USE CONDOMS,and make the whole issue "moot."As for the Lesbian Woman wanting fertility treatment:Is it that impossible to find a decent man to impregate you?
I suspect this whole thread was born out of a deceptive take on that Bush era law. It is interesting that the purpose of the law was not to force doctors who opposed abortions to perform them. Interesting. I do suppose that doctors would also have the right not to perform gender reassignment surgery on demand. I am having my doubts about whether it ever intended to give doctors the right to refuse to treat somebody for any and all medical emergencies simply because one is gay.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#18 Feb 22, 2011
eJohn wrote:
<quoted text>
Just curious.... how do you reconcile your anti-abortion support for the Republican Party when they ALSO want to make both sex education and most forms of birth control inaccessible to the highest risk group of people--teenagers--thereby ensuring a continued increase in unwanted pregnancies?
Also, condoms have an 80-90% failure rate depending on how they're used. Unwanted pregnancies will continue as long as heterosexual people exist on the planet no matter what form of birth control is used.
Studies,from even Foreign Nations,indicate that Sex Ed is most effective when done by the parents of the children.Sex Ed should be a normal every day discussion within the home.Hormonal birth control;IUD's have all been shown to be dangerous.Anyone who uses condoms and gets 80-90% failure rate;doesn't know how to use them.Giving Birth Control products to Teens will promote promiscuity.WHAT is the problem with masturbation 'for relief?'

“Fight bigotry.”

Since: Feb 07

Toms River, NJ

#19 Feb 22, 2011
You've made a number of claims here can you provide those "Studies,from even Foreign Nations" that show that sex-ed is most effective when done by parents?

How about backing up your claims that providing birth control to teens will promote promiscuity.
STEPHMAR wrote:
<quoted text>Studies,from even Foreign Nations,indicate that Sex Ed is most effective when done by the parents of the children.Sex Ed should be a normal every day discussion within the home.Hormonal birth control;IUD's have all been shown to be dangerous.Anyone who uses condoms and gets 80-90% failure rate;doesn't know how to use them.Giving Birth Control products to Teens will promote promiscuity.WHAT is the problem with masturbation 'for relief?'

“I am happy”

Since: Jul 08

St. Petersburg, FL

#20 Feb 22, 2011
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>I suspect this whole thread was born out of a deceptive take on that Bush era law. It is interesting that the purpose of the law was not to force doctors who opposed abortions to perform them. Interesting. I do suppose that doctors would also have the right not to perform gender reassignment surgery on demand. I am having my doubts about whether it ever intended to give doctors the right to refuse to treat somebody for any and all medical emergencies simply because one is gay.
You are in a befuddled state of mind. This is not about your dictator, Bush, this is about the inequality of doctors denying healthcare to individuals that they may have some moral obligation to discrimination against. Remember the oath. "First, do NO harm". If a doctor is denying healthcare to someone, they are very much endorsing harm. They should not have a license and should leave the health care field in shame. Go ahead, dispute me on this. You have personal opinion and I have fact on my side.

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