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Did Eli Lilly cover up antipsychotic dangers?

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Did Eli Lilly cover up antipsychotic dangers?: The New York Times has obtained documents suggesting that drug company Eli Lilly deliberately tried to cover up life-threatening side-effects of one of its most ...

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Patty

Tucson, AZ

#63 Aug 10, 2007
Eskild A. Petersen, M.D.
Professor of Medicine & Public Health
Chief, Section of Infectious Disease
Health Sciences Center
The University of Arizona

Admits that he's an "amateur" in evaluating auditory hallucinations, which he considers to lie outside his field.

Let me get this straight. According to PMID: 12837520,

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez...

shrinks don't understand the mechanism-of-action of some antipsychotics and mood stabilizers. All that's really known about the meds is that they inhibit the replication of infectious disease. And yet renowned infectious-disease specialists consider auditory hallucinations to lie outside their fields.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol9no11/03-014...
Yada

Vero Beach, FL

#64 Aug 14, 2007
Leper wrote:
<quoted text>
Unfortunately, it is mainly the lay person who turns up at the psychiatric clinic desk for help.
The wanton usage of made up disorders and esoteric terms are designed to make people believe that the psychiatrist actually knows what he is talking about.
The truth is, they have no medical or clinical evidence for any of the disorders that they claim exist. Yet they write prescriptions for highly powerful mind-altering drugs to remedy something that they have no evidence exists.
If a medical doctor did this, he would not only be struck off the medical register but he would be charged with endangering life.
I just love it when lay people who may have serious psychopathology themselves or are friends of Scientology talk this kind of rubbish. It entertains me.

It shows that such a person has no clue about the medical sciences. Many medications if not all are "mind-altering". People take blood pressure medications which have side efects of causing depressive symptoms such as the Beta blockers and CCBs, loop diuretcs. They take opioids for pain that are "mind-altering". They take AEDs that are "mind-altering"; asthma inhalers that are "mind-altering". They take hypoglycemics that are "mind-altering". You can even get herbs and OTC medications that are "mind-altering" such as stackers, noDoz, Valerian root etc...

But a balanced view is not possible apparently for persons with psychopathology or are friends of Scientology. I love it. We should probably close down all of medicine to save the world from "mind-altering" substances. That would include banning cigarettes, snuff and alcohol, by the way. Ha-ha! I love it; the nonsense people write on here that they think sounds so sensible.
Patty

Tucson, AZ

#65 Aug 14, 2007
Yada resorts to ad-hominem attack again, because he has no other point to make.
Mary Sue

Figtree, Australia

#66 Aug 15, 2007
Yada wrote:
<quoted text>
I just love it when lay people who may have serious psychopathology themselves or are friends of Scientology talk this kind of rubbish. It entertains me.
It shows that such a person has no clue about the medical sciences. Many medications if not all are "mind-altering". People take blood pressure medications which have side efects of causing depressive symptoms such as the Beta blockers and CCBs, loop diuretcs. They take opioids for pain that are "mind-altering". They take AEDs that are "mind-altering"; asthma inhalers that are "mind-altering". They take hypoglycemics that are "mind-altering". You can even get herbs and OTC medications that are "mind-altering" such as stackers, noDoz, Valerian root etc...
But a balanced view is not possible apparently for persons with psychopathology or are friends of Scientology. I love it. We should probably close down all of medicine to save the world from "mind-altering" substances. That would include banning cigarettes, snuff and alcohol, by the way. Ha-ha! I love it; the nonsense people write on here that they think sounds so sensible.
Now I think you understand why I came to this forum, to expose the covert OP's by OSA/scientology. Scientologists are here for one reason alone (you should see the anti-psych spamming in alt.religion.scientology). Glad you are here with all the knowledge you have obtained. As opposed to 'pretended knowingness' that scientology instills into its adherents that would obliterate all fields of mental health, and then move onto medicine because scientology believes 'illness' is psychosomatic or something manifested from a previous life.
Patty

Tucson, AZ

#67 Aug 15, 2007
hello I am not a Scientologist, I am a porn actor ( www.swpictures.biz ).

-- http://www.domain357.info/DrDre.html
Yada

Vero Beach, FL

#68 Aug 15, 2007
Mary Sue wrote:
<quoted text>
Now I think you understand why I came to this forum, to expose the covert OP's by OSA/scientology. Scientologists are here for one reason alone (you should see the anti-psych spamming in alt.religion.scientology). Glad you are here with all the knowledge you have obtained. As opposed to 'pretended knowingness' that scientology instills into its adherents that would obliterate all fields of mental health, and then move onto medicine because scientology believes 'illness' is psychosomatic or something manifested from a previous life.
A lot of people are passionate about their opinions but said opinions are not based on facts.

They entertain those who know but are a mis-informing nuisance to those trying to learn something.

A lot of Bipolar disordered people display that kind of grandiosity that's why they get into fights and run everybody out of their lives. They would be wrong but never apprehend that notion and keep arguing until it reaches conflict. Later, they selectively forget what they did.

ONe of these persons on here with beef agains tthe field of psychiatry argued with me on another thread until I had to bid adieu. After, said person wrote oh sorry and realized such a person was in error. Said person apparently has a mother with bipolar disorder that was a negative experience and so vows such will not have that diagnosis after also being diagnosed with the same illness. That person will not get treatment and has no insight into the effects of the illness on their thinking and behaviour.

I have a good friend who behaves in like manner who has Schizoaffective disorder bipolar type.
Patty

Tucson, AZ

#69 Aug 15, 2007
Yada wrote:
<quoted text>
A lot of people are passionate about their opinions but said opinions are not based on facts.
They entertain those who know but are a mis-informing nuisance to those trying to learn something.
A lot of Bipolar disordered people display that kind of grandiosity that's why they get into fights and run everybody out of their lives. They would be wrong but never apprehend that notion and keep arguing until it reaches conflict. Later, they selectively forget what they did.
That person will not get treatment and has no insight into the effects of the illness on their thinking and behaviour.
That perfectly describes some of the persons on here apologizing for the psychiatry-racket.
Mary Sue

East Hills, Australia

#70 Aug 16, 2007
Yada wrote:
<quoted text>
A lot of people are passionate about their opinions but said opinions are not based on facts.
When it comes to scientologists, they have no 'opinions' per se. They only have "what is true for you is true for you as you observed it" Its all about 'reality by way of agreement' and is why their opposition to the fields of mental health are uniform. There is only *one* goal of scientology and mental health, its the total obliteration of it and to take it over...period
Yada wrote:
They entertain those who know but are a mis-informing nuisance to those trying to learn something.[/QUOTE[ They spread DIS-information that jeopardizes peoples lives because they are following their 'source'(LRH)
[QUOTE who="Yada"]A lot of Bipolar disordered people display that kind of grandiosity that's why they get into fights and run everybody out of their lives. They would be wrong but never apprehend that notion and keep arguing until it reaches conflict. Later, they selectively forget what they did.
Sounds like being bipolar and a scientologist a comparable. Scientology instills the 'belief' that the ONLY hope for civilization IS Scientology/Dianetics
Any way, I wont go on, I only come here mostly to read and only post when a see a scientologist in disguise spreading dis-information. I dont confront everybody who speaks out about mental health practices, just the ones I know from personal experience of being a scientologist...its called 'valences.
Patty wrote:
<quoted text>
That perfectly describes some of the persons on here apologizing for the psychiatry-racket.
What "racket"? You mean the racket that was left to pick up the pieces of scientologist Jeremy Perkins, who stabbed his own scientologist mum Elli 77 times, after she refused real science in favour of quackery advised to follow by a scientologist 'doctor'?
Or is it the racket that was refused access to a woman who murdered her own father, her 15 year old sister , and tried to murder her mother as well...all because of adhering to scientology lunacies?

Google "I just butchered my family" or "Jeremy Perkins" and see can result in adhering to quackery like scientology.
You walk like a duck, quack like a duck,'Patty'. So you are a duck. Since youre so well scholled in DSM and the 'racket' of mental health and science, where have you been all these months? Why is it NOW you have magically shown up? Funny how leper/Leper/Dublin Org are on hiatus. Im sure they;; have to return now I mention their absence.
Mary Sue

East Hills, Australia

#71 Aug 16, 2007
Yada wrote:
<quoted text>
A lot of people are passionate about their opinions but said opinions are not based on facts.
When it comes to scientologists, they have no 'opinions' per se. They only have "what is true for you is true for you as you observed it" Its all about 'reality by way of agreement' and is why their opposition to the fields of mental health are uniform. There is only *one* goal of scientology and mental health, its the total obliteration of it and to take it over...period
Yada wrote:
They entertain those who know but are a mis-informing nuisance to those trying to learn something.
They spread DIS-information that jeopardizes peoples lives because they are following their 'source'(LRH)
Yada wrote:
A lot of Bipolar disordered people display that kind of grandiosity that's why they get into fights and run everybody out of their lives. They would be wrong but never apprehend that notion and keep arguing until it reaches conflict. Later, they selectively forget what they did.
Sounds like being bipolar and a scientologist a comparable. Scientology instills the 'belief' that the ONLY hope for civilization IS Scientology/Dianetics
Any way, I wont go on, I only come here mostly to read and only post when a see a scientologist in disguise spreading dis-information. I dont confront everybody who speaks out about mental health practices, just the ones I know from personal experience of being a scientologist...its called 'valences.
Patty wrote:
<quoted text>
That perfectly describes some of the persons on here apologizing for the psychiatry-racket.
What "racket"? You mean the racket that was left to pick up the pieces of scientologist Jeremy Perkins, who stabbed his own scientologist mum Elli 77 times, after she refused real science in favour of quackery advised to follow by a scientologist 'doctor'?
Or is it the racket that was refused access to a woman who murdered her own father, her 15 year old sister , and tried to murder her mother as well...all because of adhering to scientology lunacies?

Google "I just butchered my family" or "Jeremy Perkins" and see can result in adhering to quackery like scientology.
You walk like a duck, quack like a duck,'Patty'. So you are a duck. Since youre so well scholled in DSM and the 'racket' of mental health and science, where have you been all these months? Why is it NOW you have magically shown up? Funny how leper/Leper/Dublin Org are on hiatus. Im sure they;; have to return now I mention their absence.
Patty

Tucson, AZ

#72 Aug 16, 2007
Mary Sue wrote:
You walk like a duck, quack like a duck,'Patty'. So you are a duck.
How can I be a Scientologist when I am a porn actor ( www.swpictures.biz )?

It's remarkable that your only defense for the DSM is to attempt absurd smear campaigns of its critics.
Patty

Tucson, AZ

#73 Aug 16, 2007
Mary Sue wrote:
What "racket"?
"Racket" as in a fraudulent scheme, enterprise, or activity. "Racket" as in, "racketeering", as codified by in Chapter 96 of Title 18 of the United States Code, 18 U.S.C. 1961 through 18 U.S.C. 1968.

Psychiatry is a racket; its practitioners are frauds, subject to imprisonment and civil suits.
BobR

Chicago, IL

#74 Aug 16, 2007
Mary Sue, Patty, Yada-
The subject of this forum is"Did Eli Lilly cover up antipsychotic dangers?" Eli Lilly is using every method imaginable to cover up the dangers of Zyprexa, which is still generating billions of dollars a year from Zyprexa. The powerful drug industry is attempting to divide those opposed to Zyprexa and other defective antipsychotics by pointing to the opponent with the most faults, diverting attention away from the real issue. For example, OJ Simpson's defense attacked Mark Fuhrman as a racist in an attempt to label the entire LAPD as racist. In case the OJ Simpson trial's wall to wall coverage didn't reach Australia, OJ Simpson brutally stabbed his ex-wife to death and then also killed a passerby. The evidence was overwhelming that OJ did it, but the defense was able to throw enough distractions into the trial to get OJ Simpson aquitted. This is an old trick that Eli Lilly is using, and it looks like it is working again.
confused

Marble Falls, TX

#75 Aug 16, 2007
You are right bobr, Eli-lily knew the dangerous side effects of Zyprexa from the beginning. They still continue to try to cover themselves by making us all sign a gag order in order to get a peanut compensation from the horrible side effects of ZYPREXA. Just so they all can keep lining their pockets. For one thing it is being prescribed for everything obiviously or it would not be a top selling drug. Another thought is that everybody in the world must be crazy for it to have been the number one prescribed drug and the number one money maker. Makes you wonder do't it. Scary thought..............
Patty

Tucson, AZ

#76 Aug 16, 2007
BobR wrote:
The subject of this forum is"Did Eli Lilly cover up antipsychotic dangers?" Eli Lilly is using every method imaginable to cover up the dangers of Zyprexa....
"Eli Lilly & Co., the multi-billion-dollar manufacturer of the antidepressant drug Prozac, has been conducting a McCarthy-like campaign to discredit me and my work. They have tried, falsely, to associate me with the Church of Scientology." -- http://www.heall.com/holistic_psychology/your...

I believe my point about prosecutions under RICO is on topic.
Patty

Tucson, AZ

#77 Aug 16, 2007
RICO = Chapter 96 of Title 18 of the United States Code, 18 U.S.C. 1961 through 18 U.S.C. 1968.
Patty

Tucson, AZ

#78 Aug 16, 2007
confused wrote:
Eli-lily... making us all sign a gag order....
What are you talking about here, confused?
confused

Marble Falls, TX

#79 Aug 16, 2007
We were all paid to keep our mouth shut about what ZYPREXA did to us. Only thing is since I have NOT been paid guess that means I can tell all. The first 8 thousand had to agree to sign not to talk about ZYPREXA.

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