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Did Eli Lilly cover up antipsychotic dangers?

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Did Eli Lilly cover up antipsychotic dangers?: The New York Times has obtained documents suggesting that drug company Eli Lilly deliberately tried to cover up life-threatening side-effects of one of its most ...

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“Watchtower Whistle-Blower”

Since: Dec 06

Bangor Maine USA

#1 Dec 17, 2006
Eli Lilly ZYPREXA LIES!

Eli Lilly zyprexa cost me over $250.00 a month supply and has up to ten times the risk (over non users) of causing diabetes and severe weight gain.

Zyprexa which is only FDA approved for schizophrenia (.5-1% of pop) and some bipolar (2% pop) and then an even smaller percentage of theses two groups.

So how does Zyprexa get to be the 7th largest drug sale in the world?

Eli Lilly is in deep trouble for using their drug reps to 'encourage' doctors to write zyprexa for non-FDA approved 'off label' uses.

The drug causes increased diabetes risk,and medicare picks up all the expensive fallout.There are now 7 states (and counting) going after Lilly for fraud and restitution.

I was ordered to take it beginning in 1996 for my PTSD for 4 years more,it was useless for my symptoms.Lesson learned...you shouldn't give a major tranquilizer like zyprexa which makes you 'sleepy' to a hyper-vigilant patient.

There is a clinical difference between hyper-vigilant and harmful aggression.

Only 9 percent of adult Americans think the pharmaceutical industry can be trusted right around the same rating as big tobacco.

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Daniel Haszard zyprexa-victims.com

It's all over the news now,Eli Lilly whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
Susie3369

Hyattsville, MD

#2 Dec 20, 2006
If Enron execs went to jail for taking people's life savings, then Lilly execs should go to prison for taking people's lives or for giving them a chronic condition (for many, this makes TWO chronic conditions). I have known that Lilly "knew" that Zyprexa could cause diabetes, hyperglycemia, and death and thought this would be revealed at the end of the big settlement. My lawyer told me this, only to then say that the lawyers had signed a confidentiality agreement. The lawyers just want more money, too.

I pray that a criminal trial will come about and that Lilly execs will walk to jail in chains.

My son died and they knew of this danger. How disgusting.
Amber

AOL

#3 Dec 24, 2006
If at all possible, prescription drugs are best left alone. They create side effects that alter the brain's and body's natural chemistry. This is how they relieve symtoms, but this is also why they cause side effects and when you withdraw from them they can cause irreversible damage.

It's also a downward cycle. Since they cause side effects and make you worse, they create new symptoms that the doctor prescribes new drugs for. For example, you may go on an antidepressant. But it keeps you up at night or it gives you a little bit of mania, even though it seems to relieve your depression. So you are given a sleep aid and something for the anxiety.

The drugs also create a cycle of further and further mental deterioration if they are started. For example, the way in which antidepressants work is to alter the production of seratonin. It stimulates the production, for example. So the body compensates for the drug by producing less seratonin on its own. This messing up of natural brain chemistry produces other mental illnesses such as manic depressive and anxiety. Then if you go off the medications, unless you do it very slowly, you are messed up with unbearable symptoms because the body is trying to cope with all this tampering of the natural chemicals.

They are best left alone if AT ALL POSSIBLE.
Eric

United States

#4 Dec 26, 2006
Internal Eli Lilly documents showing that Lilly did minimize
zyprexas risks are online.

http://www.mindfreedom.org/know/psych-drug-co...

“Watchtower Whistle-Blower”

Since: Dec 06

Bangor Maine USA

#5 Jan 9, 2007
Eli Lilly is good people who will do the right thing and make the right decisions on compensation for it's defective zyprexa drug.

TEN times higher risk of getting diabetes and the zyprexa was promoted { viva zyprexa } like snake oil to patients who didn't need it in the first place.

Daniel Haszard zyprexa-victims.com
Yada

Clovis, NM

#6 Jan 9, 2007
I heard everybody who commented. I have comments of my own below.

First, the culture that facts and business are incompatible leads to misrepresentation of products value or uses. In the medical industry this is also true.

Secondly, people with Schizophrenia and forms of Bipolar disorders are two to four fold more likely to have cardiovascular disease and diabetes mellitus II even without taking antipsychotics. This has to do with migration of neural crest cells to form the nervous system since in the womb. Certain receptors connected to modulation of sympathetic drive and parasympathetics don't work like those of people without mental illnesses.

Thirdly, all antipsychotics have the same basic chemical formular with the changing of hydrocarbon branches, adding or subtracting halogens and so forth to make them individuals. Therefore, they all have the same side effects with only degrees of differences.

Fourthly, all drugs that have a side effect of increasing appetite can cause weight gain. All weight gain increases risk of developing cardiovascular disease and diabetes. That includes your over the counter Benadryl. Antidepressants, anticonvulsants (AEDs), Lithium and antipsychotics all have side effects of increasing appetite and thus risk of the abovementioned illnesses.

Now when the third generation antipsychotics came out in the 90's (actually fourth generation would be more accurate) they were tabbed atypical antipsychotics and marketed as therefore, different from the previous generations. This was a marketing strategy to downplay the fact that they had the same effects and side efffects of previous generations.

It worked well because the medical professionals are overworked and tired; too tired to research on their own and were dependent on drup reps to educate them about the new products.

Another major factor is that most medical professionals learnt little in nursing and medical schools of science and remember even less so do not apply the sciences they learned to real life that well. They study to pass exams in school and to impress would be employers not to retain or consolidate the knowledge. I'm sorry to have to say it.

So drug reps got away with the marketing slants they were trained to use and the industry which wanted to believe and too incompetent to find out, bought it.

This is a pet peeve of mine because I talked about it in professional circles for years only to meet with frustration. I tell you, medical professionals treat the information handed out by the pharmaceutical industry like a damned religion, especially if certain big name doctors are attached to it; unwilling to question claims put forth about drugs. It is only now coming out under-recognized risks I griped about for years concerning antidepressants, antipsychotics and stimulants.

Eli Lilly did its job to sell its product. The FDA and the medical community fell down on theirs by allowing exaggerated claims about the products, including Zyprexa, to go unchallenged when they clearly could not be true.(Your snake oil comment)

For illustration, wheels roll. You can make a sphere, cut thin rings, ferris wheels with spokes but the basic stucture is there and they roll. The same is true for antidepressants and antipsychotics. No matter what generation they are purported to be, they do the same thing as previous generations.

People are not friends of logic and refuse facts especially when that's not what they want to hear.
Yada

Clovis, NM

#7 Jan 9, 2007
While I'm at it, I might as well talk about another pet peeve, antidepressants.

They do not work very well at all and actually make people with mental illnesses worse in the long run. Again people don't want to hear that because they see the Zoloft ball bouncing merrily on television. But the drugs make people unstable and give them a syndrome akin to forms of bipolar disorders.

If you have a mental ilness, have had repeated episodes of it and you take antidepressants, stop or you'll never get better. Sorry to say it.

The psychiatric community published back in the seventies this problematic pattern seen on atidepressants; people went into mania, mixed mania and psychosis. In those days they had the tricyclic and heterocyclic antidepressants.

That took a hefty percent out of the prescribd market for the drugs. So in 1985 SSRI news hit the market with the first product ever put out in the US as Prozac; again sold on how it was different. Back people went on antidepressant more so on this new class called SSRIs. It made doctors legally liable if they did not prescribe these newer and 'better' drugs to patients. Newer meant more costly.

The drug companies teamed up with big name doctors in research to come out with new 'studies' to show that SSRIs did not cause the mania, mixed mania and psychosis like their predecessors; they only caused these problems at a puny 4% of the time.

Again, medics who should have learnt better in medical school ignored reason, logic and facts. They joined the pushing of these drugs with exaggerated claims over and beyond the previous generation of antidepressants. The same instability and impairment pattern showed up as published for the predecessors in the 70s for the SSRIs.

In the 90's to the present when that pattern of instability and disabling impairment showed up, medics attributed the syndrome to diagnoses of bipolar disorders and a new diagnosis of schizoaffective disorder bipolar or depressed type to cover it. Nobody will say the drug caused it and will continue the offending agent even if it kills the patient or the patient kills somebody because of it.

The only reasons I talk about this are that it sickens me and the hope that somebody will learn from this and exercise judgment before rushing to take these drugs. Mind you, I do concede that there are legitimate uses for the drugs.

The same problem is burgeoning for the increased thrust to sell stimulants (prescription amphetamine, cocaine products) to the public and our children with spurious diagnosis of ADHD.

“Watchtower Whistle-Blower”

Since: Dec 06

Bangor Maine USA

#8 Jan 10, 2007
Yada- vital info you have shared what makes the side effects of theses drugs even worse is when they are prescribed to patients "off label" in my case for PTSD I never heard voices or was ever manic all the Zyprexa did was make me a zyprexa zombie and sleep my day away.

I don't bash Lilly they are a humanitarian company with wonderful life saving drugs.They still f**ked up by getting overzealous with product sales that I paid #250.00 a month for and gave me diabetes.

We just want our money back.-Daniel Haszard
Yada

Clovis, NM

#9 Jan 10, 2007
Danny Haszard wrote:
Yada- vital info you have shared what makes the side effects of theses drugs even worse is when they are prescribed to patients "off label" in my case for PTSD I never heard voices or was ever manic all the Zyprexa did was make me a zyprexa zombie and sleep my day away.
I don't bash Lilly they are a humanitarian company with wonderful life saving drugs.They still f**ked up by getting overzealous with product sales that I paid #250.00 a month for and gave me diabetes.
We just want our money back.-Daniel Haszard
Well thank you for the positive feedback.

You do realize that Eli Lilly protected itself very well here. It did not necessarily cover the truth. The industry did it for that global drug company because people do two things.

They decline to speak the truth for fear they would not get money and they reject facts when those facts are inconvenient.

That's what happened here. Big name doctors and researchers in the industry declined to publish truthfully because their money often came from the drug companies (recall what happened with Neurontin in 2004) for speaking engagements and also for 'studies'.

They also rejected the existing facts because those too would seeemingly obstruct paths to money by re-proportioning the exaggerated, snake oil claims of what the drugs can do.
Andrew Geddis

United States

#10 Feb 2, 2007
I am a prominent musician and psy surviver. I have been forced to take zyprexa for ten years. I have a very contraversial website that documents my work as an artist and reveals many disturbing realities of our world. As an example I have a link to a YouTube page that shows the viscious murder of a young black man at the hands of the LAPD. If you wish to be a witness to this crime and are willing to visit my site, it would be greatly appreciated. I also have 52 pages from the 'secert' Eli Lilly documents.
www.maytheygetwhattheydeserve.com
Andrew

The Big Time

“Runs Like a Deere”

Since: Jan 07

Forest Park, GA

#11 Feb 2, 2007
The negitve cube theroy is very weak when you speak of (Gravity)...

and if it dropps off that rapidly would cause a runnawway pair...

think of negitive pressure when Alberts Equation (Relizes inplace)

Tension is mounting in the Race to Prove not that They are right but I can't be Wrong..

Three minus signs in a row...false vaccum is lost by ?
William Pratt III

United States

#12 Mar 16, 2007
Danny Haszard wrote:
Eli Lilly ZYPREXA LIES!
Eli Lilly zyprexa cost me over $250.00 a month supply and has up to ten times the risk (over non users) of causing diabetes and severe weight gain.
Zyprexa which is only FDA approved for schizophrenia (.5-1% of pop) and some bipolar (2% pop) and then an even smaller percentage of theses two groups.
So how does Zyprexa get to be the 7th largest drug sale in the world?
Eli Lilly is in deep trouble for using their drug reps to 'encourage' doctors to write zyprexa for non-FDA approved 'off label' uses.
The drug causes increased diabetes risk,and medicare picks up all the expensive fallout.There are now 7 states (and counting) going after Lilly for fraud and restitution.
I was ordered to take it beginning in 1996 for my PTSD for 4 years more,it was useless for my symptoms.Lesson learned...you shouldn't give a major tranquilizer like zyprexa which makes you 'sleepy' to a hyper-vigilant patient.
There is a clinical difference between hyper-vigilant and harmful aggression.
Only 9 percent of adult Americans think the pharmaceutical industry can be trusted right around the same rating as big tobacco.
---
Daniel Haszard zyprexa-victims.com
It's all over the news now,Eli Lilly whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
Danny,

You da man for posting this. Not realizing it had already been posted, I did also.

Peace brudda!

Bill

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#13 Mar 18, 2007
I do believe eli lilly promoted zyprexa for off-label useage. Only about 1% of the US population is bi-polar or schizophrenic and 20 million people are taking this drug world wide. Also, bi-polars and schizophrenics may be more prone to diabetes, but what about all the ones like me who were given the drug off-label and now have diabetes. Explain that.
Leper

Maynooth, Ireland

#14 Apr 19, 2007
sherryd wrote:
I do believe eli lilly promoted zyprexa for off-label useage. Only about 1% of the US population is bi-polar or schizophrenic and 20 million people are taking this drug world wide. Also, bi-polars and schizophrenics may be more prone to diabetes, but what about all the ones like me who were given the drug off-label and now have diabetes. Explain that.
Of course the main point that is missed here is that there is no clinical evidence whatsoever that psychiatry can come up with which proves that any anti-depressant will do anything except zombify someone.

The chemical imbalance of the brain theory is utter hogwash and unscientific.

But there is a LOT of money to be made in making people believe that one has a chemical imbalance and that by taking SSRI's, this can be remedied.

It is the biggest hoax in medical history
confused

Statesboro, GA

#15 Apr 20, 2007
I firmly believe that!!!!
Yada

Vero Beach, FL

#16 Apr 20, 2007
Leper wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course the main point that is missed here is that there is no clinical evidence whatsoever that psychiatry can come up with which proves that any anti-depressant will do anything except zombify someone.
The chemical imbalance of the brain theory is utter hogwash and unscientific.
But there is a LOT of money to be made in making people believe that one has a chemical imbalance and that by taking SSRI's, this can be remedied.
It is the biggest hoax in medical history
Wrong.

There is plenty of empirical evidence for mental illness. It takes on average twenty five years before known science reaches common public acceptance.

We know about gene repeat alleles, transporter proteins, receptor turnover and quantitative regulation, receptor affinity changes, inducible, pre-historic genes, signal transduction impedance, neurotransmitter changes, trophic factor changes, neurone drop out, familial inheritance and more concerning mental illnesses. We also know what symptoms to expect of certain of them if the patient inherited from father or mother and if patient's parent was advanced age or young.

Most people are not zombified by SSRIs or none would still be sold.

There was never any claim that medication cures mental illness only mangaes it so the afflicted can function better and experience a better quality of life than the alternative.

Chemical imbalance is a lay term that has seemingly made its way from the halls of psychotherapy as an easy way to impart to the mentally ill what is wrong with them.
Leper

Limerick, Ireland

#17 May 25, 2007
Yada wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong.
There is plenty of empirical evidence for mental illness. It takes on average twenty five years before known science reaches common public acceptance.
We know about gene repeat alleles, transporter proteins, receptor turnover and quantitative regulation, receptor affinity changes, inducible, pre-historic genes, signal transduction impedance, neurotransmitter changes, trophic factor changes, neurone drop out, familial inheritance and more concerning mental illnesses. We also know what symptoms to expect of certain of them if the patient inherited from father or mother and if patient's parent was advanced age or young.
Most people are not zombified by SSRIs or none would still be sold.
There was never any claim that medication cures mental illness only mangaes it so the afflicted can function better and experience a better quality of life than the alternative.
Chemical imbalance is a lay term that has seemingly made its way from the halls of psychotherapy as an easy way to impart to the mentally ill what is wrong with them.
Tell that to almost every person who was killed by psychiatrists patients after they have been "cured" by psychiatry wondere potions like SSRI's

The Big Time

“Runs Like a Deere”

Since: Jan 07

Forest Park, GA

#18 May 25, 2007
bigger story would be talking to the dead,

now the realives of the people killed might use that info better than others
Yada

Vero Beach, FL

#19 May 25, 2007
Leper wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell that to almost every person who was killed by psychiatrists patients after they have been "cured" by psychiatry wondere potions like SSRI's
You don't read and comprehend well. Read my comment again and then make an appropriate response.
Yada

Vero Beach, FL

#20 May 25, 2007
The Big Time wrote:
bigger story would be talking to the dead,
now the realives of the people killed might use that info better than others
Ha-ha! That's what I thought too but I didn't want to say it. I laughed like a dog at how it made no sense. Sorry.

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