Giardia in humans
Stigmata

Germany

#1300 Jul 22, 2012
Hello fellow Giardisis sufferers, my original post was way long, so I'll make bullet points, then follow with the 'story' version. Here goes:
-Symptom onset 6/1/12 extreme bloating, cramps
-Flagyl started 6/29/12, ten day course
-Giardia and Entamoeba found in stool
-Tindamax and Paromomycin course started 7/13/12
-Blood in stool 7/14/12, non rectal blood, stool fully formed, blood amount small, but alarming
-Colonoscopy/Endoscopy 7/19/12 - mild gastritis, no other remarks. Biopsies pending.
-Significant improvement in cramping/bloating, but weakness/malabsorption persist
-Paromomycin course ends 7/23/12
-Using Vitaklenz, B12, Pedialyte, Multivitamin
-Will be acquiring MSM, Wholenzyme,Garlic, Intestinal Repair Powder
Stigmata

Germany

#1301 Jul 22, 2012
I have reached that point in my illness where I feel the need to reach out to others with the same condition. In late May/early June I was on a road trip when I started feeling intense bloating and cramping all over my GI tract. I felt very weak and was far from home in a very rural area and was trying to make it to Washington, DC without incident. I checked for blood in stool the next morning and didn't see any. I had given myself an enema the previous day, with tap water, in West Virginia. I assumed I had traumatized my system, but thought it odd that the symptoms showed up a full 24 hours later. I checked with my primary care and she consulted a doc who said I overstimulated my bowel, this was about a week aftwards. She gave me a referral to a GI doc but I didn't call, I figured I just needed a bit more time. However, I week later, it was a Sunday, and I had to cancel an outing with friends because I was feeling so weak I could hardly get out of bed. That's when I made the appt with the GI doc. I knew something was wrong, it wasn't resolving. I met with the GI doc and she gave me a blood test on the spot and gave me no less than 10 vials for stool samples. She also prescribed Metronidazole as a precaution, which I began taking. My symptoms were constant bloating and abdominal cramping. It was as if I could 'feel' my intestines, and I'd be much happier not feeling them. In any event, it turned out Giardia cysts as well as Entamoeba trophozytes were present. My symptoms on Flagyl were not improving (though to be fair I was/am fighting a dual infestation), so she put me on Tindamax for three days followed by a ten day course of Paromomycin, which I complete tomorrow, and I'm scared as heck to go off it. I had a colonoscopy/gastrocopy and they did find some mild gastritis (erythema) but nothing out of the ordinary in the intestinal mucosa. Biopsies are in progess to check for microscopic evidence of tissue damage. The prep for the colonoscopy was actually not traumatic and in fact I actually felt a great relief from symptoms, it felt very cleansing and soothing. I have since gotten serious about changing my diet to accommodate healing. Small meals, mild foods, avoiding dairy, sugar, alcohol, tap water. I also purchased Vitaklenz and Align, and will be purchasing MSM, Wholenzyme, Garlic, and Intestinal Repair Complex Powder, as I am still suffering from very watery you know what. Needless to say this has been a nightmare, and I am very apprehensive about going off antibiotics, as I am afraid the infestation will return. My plan is to make my gut a completely inhospitable environment for parasites and to remain on some kind of anti parasite daily regimen for the foreseeable future. I like Vitaklenz because it has so many of the extracts mentioned on this thread, all in one. I'm not endorsing them, but I figure with so many extracts one of them has to work. In any event, I fear how long this post will appear so I'll end it for now. I should note that there is no reason to assume that I will have chronic giardisis, but my 'gut' tells me I'd better remain vigilant. Hope we all find resolution to these most unwelcome guests.
Lisa

Hagerstown, MD

#1302 Jul 23, 2012
Just wondering if anyone has tried MMS (Mineral Miracle Solution)? I went to a homeopathic doctor yesterday, and he gave me a couple of "remedies" in vials and a copy of a book about MMS and told me to purchase it online. I've been reading about it. There are 2 diverse opinions about it--either it is great, or the stuff will kill you. I've been taking MSM and digestive enzymes, and they definitely seem to be helping, but I can't shake the anemia and subsequent tiredness from the malabsorption that I've suffered the past 10 months. So, just wondering about the MMS (not to be confused with MSM :)
Lisa

San Francisco, CA

#1303 Jul 23, 2012
Lisa, I don't have any experience with MMS. My next plan of action (if the MSM didn't do the job) was going to be the tincture recipe someone posted a couple of pages ago on this forum--oregano oil, goldenseal, black walnut. I'm hoping not to need it. And yes, I have felt the fatigue, but my energy seems to coming back slowly as my system inches closer to normal. Also helps me to greatly reduce consumption of restaurant food, which is always harder on my gut than the simple food I make at home. I can only think this is about using organic ingredients and minimizing salt, cooking oils and other flavor enhancers.

Stigmata, I hope the docs told you that some of the main side effects of the antibiotics are--yep--gastrointestinal. This of course, makes it difficult to know if the symptoms are coming from the illness or the cure. Agree with you on the colonoscopy prep, a picnic compared to giardia.
Jen

Springfield, NJ

#1304 Jul 23, 2012
After 2+ months of Giardia and 3 rounds of anti b's, I am finally feeling better but my stools are still light colored. Does this mean I still have it or is it residual issue that will go away..anyone have a similar experience. Doctor doesn't seem concerned but I am given long term effects of Giardia on the body.
Lisa

Hagerstown, MD

#1305 Jul 23, 2012
Lisa wrote:
Lisa, I don't have any experience with MMS. My next plan of action (if the MSM didn't do the job) was going to be the tincture recipe someone posted a couple of pages ago on this forum--oregano oil, goldenseal, black walnut. I'm hoping not to need it. And yes, I have felt the fatigue, but my energy seems to coming back slowly as my system inches closer to normal. Also helps me to greatly reduce consumption of restaurant food, which is always harder on my gut than the simple food I make at home. I can only think this is about using organic ingredients and minimizing salt, cooking oils and other flavor enhancers.
Stigmata, I hope the docs told you that some of the main side effects of the antibiotics are--yep--gastrointestinal. This of course, makes it difficult to know if the symptoms are coming from the illness or the cure. Agree with you on the colonoscopy prep, a picnic compared to giardia.
Glad to hear you are regaining energy. Have any you care to share?:) Seriously though, I never knew I could be so tired. I am making an appt to have more blood tests run to check my levels (esp interested in red-cell count and b vitamins). The MSM does seem to help me, so I think I am going to hit the giardia over the head with that, Grapefruit seed extract, Parazyme (digestive enzymes), Paragone (an herbal cleansing product containing basically the tincture you mentioned) and Intestin-ol (Oils of clove, thyme and oregano). I have tried all of these at different times, but never all together, so I think I'll give it a shot. I'm also eating coconut butter that I got at a health food store. It's just like peanut butter except that it's made from raw coconut. Anyway, I'll let you know how my big attack on the giardia goes. I intend to use all of those things for about a month, and then continue on with the MSM and Parazyme for a long time just to make sure they are really gone.

Lisa

Hagerstown, MD

#1306 Jul 23, 2012
Jen wrote:
After 2+ months of Giardia and 3 rounds of anti b's, I am finally feeling better but my stools are still light colored. Does this mean I still have it or is it residual issue that will go away..anyone have a similar experience. Doctor doesn't seem concerned but I am given long term effects of Giardia on the body.
MSM and digestive enzymes (Parazyme) helped me with the color, although I still have the giardia I think. It still doesn't look all the way normal, but it is not yellow any more.
Stigmata

Germany

#1307 Jul 23, 2012
Today is my first day without a full round of antibiotics. I took my last does of Paromomycin this morning; and I'm scared as h*ll. The meds were my immunity shield and security blanket as I feel like with the cop no longer on the beat they'll just come back. Thus I started up with the MSM/Garlic/Vitaklenz regimen. My pain related symptoms are mostly gone, except for some abdominal pain when the food reaches a certain bend in the road in my inner highway, but it (and the food) pass. Problem is I am having nearly pure liquid stool, and I am drinking Pedialyte to stay hydrated. I was reading today that alleviating diarrhea can be assisted by increasing food intake. I want to do this but large meals may cause bloating/cramping, I want to go easy on the guts. I suppose I'll do six smaller meals. I also need to get a ruling on protein as I myself need it. I read to avoid protein but that was just one person's advice I saw. I know I need protein, my energy levels are still low and I'm certain are only what they are owing to the rehydration drink.
Lisa

San Francisco, CA

#1308 Jul 24, 2012
Lisa wrote:
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Glad to hear you are regaining energy. Have any you care to share?:) Seriously though, I never knew I could be so tired. I am making an appt to have more blood tests run to check my levels (esp interested in red-cell count and b vitamins). The MSM does seem to help me, so I think I am going to hit the giardia over the head with that, Grapefruit seed extract, Parazyme (digestive enzymes), Paragone (an herbal cleansing product containing basically the tincture you mentioned) and Intestin-ol (Oils of clove, thyme and oregano). I have tried all of these at different times, but never all together, so I think I'll give it a shot. I'm also eating coconut butter that I got at a health food store. It's just like peanut butter except that it's made from raw coconut. Anyway, I'll let you know how my big attack on the giardia goes. I intend to use all of those things for about a month, and then continue on with the MSM and Parazyme for a long time just to make sure they are really gone.
Coconut butter sounds delicious, but I had coconut soup yesterday at a Thai restaurant and it caused a minimal slide backward. However, when I make coconut milk at home (dried + hot water in a blender), it's no problem. Will keep your post handy if my next month of MSM, Wholezyme+garlic doesn't do the job. Good vibing you some of my returned energy; keep us posted on your progress.
Lisa

San Francisco, CA

#1309 Jul 24, 2012
Lisa wrote:
<quoted text>
MSM and digestive enzymes (Parazyme) helped me with the color, although I still have the giardia I think. It still doesn't look all the way normal, but it is not yellow any more.
My experience with color and texture while taking MSM is similar to what the other Lisa is reporting. Definite progress, but not like pre-trauma. Yet. I tested negative for giardia after antibiotics, though symptoms remained.
Lisa

San Francisco, CA

#1310 Jul 24, 2012
Stigmata wrote:
Today is my first day without a full round of antibiotics. I took my last does of Paromomycin this morning; and I'm scared as h*ll. The meds were my immunity shield and security blanket as I feel like with the cop no longer on the beat they'll just come back. Thus I started up with the MSM/Garlic/Vitaklenz regimen. My pain related symptoms are mostly gone, except for some abdominal pain when the food reaches a certain bend in the road in my inner highway, but it (and the food) pass. Problem is I am having nearly pure liquid stool, and I am drinking Pedialyte to stay hydrated. I was reading today that alleviating diarrhea can be assisted by increasing food intake. I want to do this but large meals may cause bloating/cramping, I want to go easy on the guts. I suppose I'll do six smaller meals. I also need to get a ruling on protein as I myself need it. I read to avoid protein but that was just one person's advice I saw. I know I need protein, my energy levels are still low and I'm certain are only what they are owing to the rehydration drink.
On just the food part: I'm getting quite inventive with (and a little tired of) chicken with white rice, but it seems to be a good meal in terms of causing the least upset. I know what you mean about that bend in the road; mine is lower left abdomen, straight up from knee about 1.5 inch below navel level.
A Taylor

London, UK

#1311 Jul 25, 2012
Just updating you all. To summarise got giardia a year ago started with headaches then nausia at times and low appitite month or so down the line came looser stools. The strong general ill feeling too persists which I find the worst symptom. It showed up in stool sample last aug. took metro but never felt any better took 3 courses over the year ( including a 10 day course). Just last week tried tinidazole one dose, still the same now. trying albendazole and metro combined for 7 days tomorrow really hope it works got my fingers crossed. The confusing thing is in the 3 stool samples I've done since a year ago can't find giardia and it couldn't be detected in a duodenal biopsy. Puzzled! Anyhow as symptoms are the same I believe I've still got it after many month of thinking it can't be it. In addition to the symptoms above I now get dizzy feelings and tender feelings in my guts. If albendazole and metro doesn't work don't really know what to do next as specialist not sure it chronic giardia? I read if it's chronic giardia it can last 2 to several years if untreated and thy it can be hard to treat requiring multiple courses of drugs :-( anyhow fingers crossed for the next course- will keep you posted hope you all get sorted too
Joanne

UK

#1313 Jul 28, 2012
I have found a very good website on candida which may help some of you
Taking these strong antibiotcs can cause candida which has the same symptoms as giardia. Also parasites can cause candida. Please read below:

http://www.foodmatters.tv/articles-1/how-to-o...
Jen London UK

Newcastle Upon Tyne, UK

#1314 Jul 28, 2012
Hi there Jonanne
Can you please detail what you did to heal yourself? Your email address would also be really helpful. A huge thanks in advance - I am sick of suffering!
Jonanne wrote:
Hey all. I haven't posted in a very long time and Chloe sent me an email. I AM STILL CURED. Almost a full year now. The two grams on day one and again on day 5 WIPED IT OUT. I had horrible headaches on day two and day seven and my mouth tasted like aluminum foil, but YOU CAN GET BETTER and the treatment is fast and it is SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE ILLNESS. God, I feel like a lone wolf howling the answer in the desert- if you are afraid so was I. But you won't be worse off. And you might one day have no stomach issues and no diarrhea. Email me at Jonanne if you need more info. There's alot more I could say but I would rather email peoplel directly who are willing to listen.:) Hugs and wellness from Florida.
roxycod

Romania

#1315 Jul 29, 2012
Hi everybody,
I am struggling with giardia for about one year and a half, taking all kind of drugs and the result lasted everytime only for a few weeks. Two weeks ago I discovered an Indian syrup called Nickworm and I thought again I was fully cured. But the same symptoms came again: yellow stool and abdominal pain.
Gina

Treviso, Italy

#1316 Jul 30, 2012
I took Giardia after a trip to Nepal. This is the worst illness I have ever had. I lost 4kg in three weeks after sickness, diarrhoea, and not being able to eat or drink. I was diagnosed after a visit to ER, then a stool test. I took Flagyl for a week. That did the trick. Because my gut was in a very traumatised state, my doctor, who is also a homeopath, prescribed three different types of stomach flora which I took for three months. I am now back to excellent health, and have put back the weight and more.I think it is vital that you replace the friendly bacteria which you lost through this illness - that seems to be the major factor.
Lisa

San Francisco, CA

#1317 Jul 31, 2012
Gina wrote:
I took Giardia after a trip to Nepal. This is the worst illness I have ever had. I lost 4kg in three weeks after sickness, diarrhoea, and not being able to eat or drink. I was diagnosed after a visit to ER, then a stool test. I took Flagyl for a week. That did the trick. Because my gut was in a very traumatised state, my doctor, who is also a homeopath, prescribed three different types of stomach flora which I took for three months. I am now back to excellent health, and have put back the weight and more.I think it is vital that you replace the friendly bacteria which you lost through this illness - that seems to be the major factor.
Congratulations on returning to excellent health. Could you tell us the name and dosage of stomach flora you took for three months? It might help someone else.
Lisa

Hagerstown, MD

#1319 Jul 31, 2012
I forgot to add coconut butter! Found it at a health food store. It is just like peanut butter and I eat it right out of the jar!:-)
A Taylor

London, UK

#1320 Jul 31, 2012
Just a quick up date. Im on the last day of Albendazole/Metro combination (7 day course). Unfortunately dont feel any better at the moment feel awful still 75% of the time. Will of course give it more time after course completion. End of day 2 I really thought I was starting to get better- the best id felt in a year apart from a bad headache. The next day the tender feeling in the guts were back after breakfast as well as the deadly wind and felt dreadful from that day again, terrible nausia.

question:- If i dont start to feel better is it worth me having a ELISA stool antigen test done? not had one yet. Are they more reliable than the norm microscopy of stool for cyst? I read if you have chronic giardia that cysts are sometimes only shed in large numbers every couple of weeks so hard to detect.

http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/stool-anal...

Does the antigen test help solve this prob?

Thanks in advance for your help

Alex
Jack

Mill Valley, CA

#1321 Aug 3, 2012
I have pretty much read through most of the pages here...I will definitely be following some the advice, have tried pure oregano oil, and also am on the MSM plan. What about food grade hydrogen peroxide? I read that in the first pages but haven't seen anything about it since, specifically looking for advice from Joane if she has any experience with the food grade hydrogen peroxide?

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